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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.07.13 07:40:00 -
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I assumed Rattati and team had made the change to PC payout with the "Keep what you kill' mechanic whereby it seemed even the losing team gets ISK for the other team's losses...which was meant to encourage raiding. I am finding it out now from Negative Feedback player this is not the case. A XERCC corp a member placed an attack order on NF. for tomorrow [July 14th 03:00].
The whole fight in militia suits against their proto suits for ISK payout is a crap-shoot. Still, if you're in corp and get into the PC battle, you get DK; win or lose.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=199167
CCP Frame wrote:After lengthy discussions with the majority of District holders, we have decided to switch the reward mechanics to a new method, which has been previously discussed in the Features and Ideas Forums.
This means that Team A will earn Team BGÇÖs ISK losses, split equally among Team A members, and vice versa.
This means that District battles are no longer GÇ£winner takes allGÇ¥, making it viable to stick it out, switching to more cost effective gear and causing enough losses on the enemy to break even.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.13 08:10:00 -
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I would like to see them follow through on adding payouts to the losing side as Frame discussed.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.13 08:44:00 -
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hails8n wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:I would like to see them follow through on adding payouts to the losing side as Frame discussed. Why? Didn't you just say that 1 corps going into PC with militia against proto players, just for free dk. Expect more of that, apex/militia going into PC losing nothing/gaining free isk. I guess itd be an incentive to not no show. Hmmm. If that logics going into PC, id expect it to also go into FW. Ex. Players who try hard but still lose get a fair LP payout. not as much as the winner but still. I'd wanted to see the meta encompass raiding to soften targets wallets. We are still paying CP to start a battle.
CCP Frame's quote from the OP. "This means that District battles are no longer GÇ£winner takes allGÇ¥, making it viable to stick it out, switching to more cost effective gear and causing enough losses on the enemy to break even."
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.13 08:47:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:They had payouts for the losing side for a while and then took them away again.
I disticntly remember a blue tag from ratatti saying there shouldn't be rewards for losing, amongst a PC thread but I can't be bothered to dig through the archives. They still kept a payout of 200 DK even if you lost. Seems silly to remove ISK efficiency from the equation from the losing side payout if you're still going to add DK rewards.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.13 08:58:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:I disticntly remember a blue tag from ratatti saying there shouldn't be rewards for losing, amongst a PC thread but I can't be bothered to dig through the archives.
Here it is. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=203528&find=unread
CCP Rattati wrote:2) PC battle reward: Winners get salvage reward based on both teams' consumed items, losers get nothing
It never seemed right that the loser of a PC battle would get to salvage the battlegrounds, as they had been chased away. Now that both sides get to keep what they kill, it's only fair that the winners get more loot for themselves. This should prove a welcome boost to earnings and an incentive to win PC battles.
Discuss!
When he said this, I thought it only applied to the salvage table, not ISK payout.
It's confusing when he stated this. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2790372#post2790372
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.13 09:04:00 -
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Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Till we find out if DK is worth anything or not, farming or not farming it isn't much of an issue. I will say expect a lot of one sided PC battles if DK is something good to have. Most corps that don't have a district, nor can manage to defend one if they did will just launch battles to earn DK knowing they will loose. It's only 25k command points to start a battle if you have no districts, something a decent sized corp can do with ease. More than worth it to earn 200-400 DK for two quick losses. Bonus ISK if you can manage to kill some clones on the other side with cheap shots, remotes and orbitals.
Infact a militia group, mostly staying in the red line could farm more than a few kills if they had Eve support.... Can I get a straight answer. Under the current PC system, do you get ISK (even if you lose) from the enemy team's losses?
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.13 09:19:00 -
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Thank you. Now I am confused by all these conflicting reports about payout. Some are saying you get ISK, some say you don't get ISK if you lose.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.13 09:36:00 -
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Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:Thank you. Now I am confused by all these conflicting reports about payout. Some are saying you get ISK, some say you don't get ISK if you lose. Well as of maybe 2 days ago when I was last in one I got isk. If it's been patched since then *shrug*. You don't get salvage however if you lose, which is a shame. I'm fine with that. As Rattati posted, the loser gets chased off the battlefield. The victors have time to salvage the field.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.13 10:16:00 -
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NINEinch WEAPON wrote:Can confirm as the losing side you don't even get salvage... Or isk,.. No point in trying to raid. So is this is a bug then which occurred when Warlords 1.2 deployed, or is it now by design?
Larkson Crazy Eye is saying it worked for a PC about 2 days ago and you two are in the same corp.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.13 11:10:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:Yes. Played a PC match yesterday (D-UNI's first for a long time), and lost badly We got no salvage, but we did get ISK. Dennie had to spend all those CP you all were making. Good learning experiences.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:52:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Tebu Gan writes many words. Wasting your time is also a valid strategy.
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.07.13 14:01:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Tebu Gan writes many words. Wasting your time is also a valid strategy. True, but not an effective one We shall see. Players may use this corp in any number of ways. I have only shaped the system, but I do not direct the choices people make in the sandbox.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 20:03:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Loser gets no ISK.
A non-district holding Corp should make money off using a CP attack, using only militia BPO's if they manage to inflict some losses. Did anyone else see a paradox here, or is it just me? How is a non-district holding corp supposed to make money if they only inflict "some losses" while the loser gets no ISK? ISK is not automatically stipend. The ISK you make is awarded and divided equally based on the value of item loss incurred by the other team. The more proficient your team is in killing higher end suits and vehicles, the better the payout,
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