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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 15:40:00 -
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We are about to see some significant buffs to all apex suits. So i made it easy for you and post the stat changes for each suit. Please remember that these stats do not include any skills so its raw stat changes:
-Amarr "opus" assault:
-1PG and +11CPU
-Amarr "seraph" logistics:
+4PG and +26CPU
-Amarr "Dragon" scout:
+16PG and +39CPU
-Amarr "Dominus" sentinel:
+14PG and +24CPU
-Amarr "paladin" commando:
+1PG and +13 CPU
Caldari suit lineup:
-Caldari "Rasetsu" assault:
+5PG and 13CPU
-Caldari "kampo" logistics:
+15PG and -6CPU
-Caldari "hawk" scout:
+13PG and +30 CPU
Caldari "shogun" sentinel:
+1PG and +31CPU
Caldari "samurai" commando:
+39CPU
Gallente suit lineup:
-Gallente "spartan" assault:
+12 PG and +34CPU
Gallente "charon" logistics:
+7PG and +7CPU
gallente "serpent" scout:
+10PG and +12CPU
gallente "atlas" sentinel:
+4PG and +22CPU
gallente "centurion" commando:
+19PG and -3 CPU
Minmatarr suit lineup:
-Minmatarr "nomad" assault:
+3PG and +17CPU
-Minmatarr "shaman" logistics:
+17CPU
-Minmatarr "tiger" scout:
+7PG and +41CPU
-Minmatarr "warlord" sentinel:
+14PG and +31CPU
-Minmatarr "Renegade" commando:
+51CPU
As you can see all suits are going to be quite a bit better to fit. If you think this is OP and stupid please redirect your complains towards CCP Ratatti.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.06 15:46:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:If you think this is OP and stupid please redirect your complains towards CCP Ratatti.
I see no problem with APEX suits having slightly better fitting capacity than STD suits. There'd be no distinction whatsoever between BPO and APEX otherwise.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.06 16:41:00 -
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I see not issues there too.
Agree with Adipem boyko :j
"Caller of the Monolith"
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:27:00 -
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Huh, is that so? After reading the Dev Blog I was under the impression that Apex stats might be under the nerf hammer....
A buff you say!? 
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:32:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:If you think this is OP and stupid please redirect your complains towards CCP Ratatti.
I see no problem with APEX suits having slightly better fitting capacity than STD suits. There'd be no distinction whatsoever between BPO and APEX otherwise.
Except that fact that one comes prefitted.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:40:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:If you think this is OP and stupid please redirect your complains towards CCP Ratatti.
I see no problem with APEX suits having slightly better fitting capacity than STD suits. There'd be no distinction whatsoever between BPO and APEX otherwise.
You don't see the problem with a free suit being better then STD?............................. |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 18:37:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Huh, is that so? After reading the Dev Blog I was under the impression that Apex stats might be under the nerf hammer.... A buff you say!?
When you go to your fitting screen you see the suits fitting with all skills in effect. To know their original PG+CPU you have to press triangle on them and go to the stat chart. You can do the math by yourself by adding 5%PG+CPU from dropsuit core upgrades and then +25%PG/CPU from engineering and electronics. Then you get the new max values for your suit.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.06 18:47:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:If you think this is OP and stupid please redirect your complains towards CCP Ratatti.
I see no problem with APEX suits having slightly better fitting capacity than STD suits. There'd be no distinction whatsoever between BPO and APEX otherwise.
But dose that not make the BPO suits irrelevant?
When APEX was introduced they were better quality BPO's, but they had the drawback that you could not change the fittings.
Now if APEX suits are better than BPO's in every way, what is the point of the BPO's? Where is the tradeoff?
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.06 18:54:00 -
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once the changes go hot, there will be little/no functional difference between apex and standard BPOs.
APEX suits PG/CPU is being brought up to match STD.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
154
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:08:00 -
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Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I didn't want to compare each individual suit myself. |
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:24:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:once the changes go hot, there will be little/no functional difference between apex and standard BPOs.
APEX suits PG/CPU is being brought up to match STD.
Erm not they are creeping up to ADV fitting lvls.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2015.07.06 22:03:00 -
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Again as a new player these suits are an idiots idea.....
Nothing like guys who have nothing to lose and everything to gain by running up to you right? Newplayers really love having the guys who suck and cant afford proto anymore just killing your suits off of you in a suit that is free and better than anything available to them. Seriously, did anyone spend anytime in developing this game to attract new players at all? |
KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.07.07 03:40:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:If you think this is OP and stupid please redirect your complains towards CCP Ratatti.
I see no problem with APEX suits having slightly better fitting capacity than STD suits. There'd be no distinction whatsoever between BPO and APEX otherwise.
What, properly fitted the current (old) APEXes were between ADV and PRO in power!
surely you don't want that.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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Piercing Serenity
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
1
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Posted - 2015.07.07 03:50:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:We are about to see some significant buffs to all apex suits. So i made it easy for you and post the stat changes for each suit. Please remember that these stats do not include any skills so its raw stat changes: Amarr APEX Suit Changes
- Amarr "Opus" Assault: +11CPU / -1PG
- Amarr "Seraph" Logistics: +26CPU / +4PG
- Amarr "Dragon" Scout: +39CPU / +16PG
- Amarr "Dominus" Sentinel: +24CPU / +14PG
- Amarr "Paladin" Commando: +13CPU / +1PG
Caldari APEX Suit Changes
- Caldari "Rasetsu" Assault: +13CPU / +5PG
- Caldari "Kampo" Logistics: -6CPU / +15PG
- Caldari "Hawk" Scout: +30CPU / +13PG
- Caldari "Shogun" Sentinel: +31CPU / +1PG
- Caldari "Samurai" Commando: +39CPU / +0PG
Gallente APEX Suit Changes
- Gallente "Spartan" Assault: +34CPU / +12PG
- Gallente "Charon" Logistics: +7CPU / +7PG
- Gallente "Serpent" Scout: +12CPU / +10PG
- Gallente "Atlas" Sentinel: +22CPU / +4PG
- Gallente "Centurion" Commando: +19CPU / -3PG
Minmatarr APEX Suit Changes:
- Minmatarr "Nomad" Assault: +17CPU / +3PG
- Minmatarr "Shaman" Logistics: +17CPU / +0PG
- Minmatarr "Tiger" Scout: +41CPU / +7PG
- Minmatarr "Warlord" Sentinel: +31CPU / +14PG
- Minmatarr "Renegade" Commando: +51CPU / +0PG
"For people who don't really do S**T, ya'll really doing the most"
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.07.07 04:03:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:
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A list full awesome!
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That is a big big thing. Mad Kudos to cloud to finding out.
This quote from the dev blog Quote:In addition, we will be making APEX dropsuits tradable, and will be adjusting their PG/CPU in accordance with their power level, which was meant to be between STD and ADV in power:
Was interpreted as a signal that APEX suits are too powerful now, ranking between ADV and PRO. From that viewpoint, the quote makes perfect sense.
From viewpoint that the APEXes would be too weak and not exceeding STD level... Mindboggling. And untrue.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.07.07 06:44:00 -
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Update: edited the OP to be easier to read.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
25
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:38:00 -
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Thanks for the OP!
Yes, they are intended to be between STD and ADV, and this was defined in the original Dev Blog about APEX's.
So this is a Buff to maintain that distinction. With the Buff that Standard bPO's are getting with proto slot layouts, the APEX's needed to be buffed as well to not become redundant, which is not how we want to treat loyal customers and FW players.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:58:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Thanks for the OP!
Yes, they are intended to be between STD and ADV, and this was defined in the original Dev Blog about APEX's.
So this is a Buff to maintain that distinction. With the Buff that Standard bPO's are getting with proto slot layouts, the APEX's needed to be buffed as well to not become redundant, which is not how we want to treat loyal customers and FW players.
Maybe next time if you are juggling with PG/CPU values do it like i did in my post. Clean and easy to understand values of +/- compared to what we have before the patch. Its deffo easier to understand then comparing the chart with raw numbers and then go into the game to compare it by yourself. I believe when changes are happening on Eve they do it similar where you can see instantly the changes.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
25
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:09:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Thanks for the OP!
Yes, they are intended to be between STD and ADV, and this was defined in the original Dev Blog about APEX's.
So this is a Buff to maintain that distinction. With the Buff that Standard bPO's are getting with proto slot layouts, the APEX's needed to be buffed as well to not become redundant, which is not how we want to treat loyal customers and FW players. Maybe next time if you are juggling with PG/CPU values do it like i did in my post. Clean and easy to understand values of +/- compared to what we have before the patch. Its deffo easier to understand then comparing the chart with raw numbers and then go into the game to compare it by yourself. I believe when changes are happening on Eve they do it similar where you can see instantly the changes.
We have always done that, just a time constraint in this case.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
8
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:19:00 -
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I hated the idea of BPO's in general or the way they work. something completely unlimited still seems silly in a game like this :/
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
I'm kind of a big deal.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:07:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I hated the idea of BPO's in general or the way they work. something completely unlimited still seems silly in a game like this :/
Agree, the apex suits are the worst offender, basically the opposite of what New Eden is all about.
PSN: RationalSpark
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:37:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Thanks for the OP!
Yes, they are intended to be between STD and ADV, and this was defined in the original Dev Blog about APEX's.
So this is a Buff to maintain that distinction. With the Buff that Standard bPO's are getting with proto slot layouts, the APEX's needed to be buffed as well to not become redundant, which is not how we want to treat loyal customers and FW players.
Rattati, didn't you yourself say that APEX suits were performing better than expected and their fittings reached power level between ADV and PRO?
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:39:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Thanks for the OP!
With the Buff that Standard bPO's are getting with proto slot layouts, the APEX's needed to be buffed as well to not become redundant, which is not how we want to treat loyal customers and FW players.
Doesn't that mean that BPOs are now redundant? Many of them are also AUR BPOs.
Hard equasion. Do you know what breaks it and makes them impossible to balance?
APEX tunability, ability to modify them.
It really has to go.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:44:00 -
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please use better context in your sentences.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:46:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Thanks for the OP!
With the Buff that Standard bPO's are getting with proto slot layouts, the APEX's needed to be buffed as well to not become redundant, which is not how we want to treat loyal customers and FW players. Doesn't that mean that BPOs are now redundant? Many of them are also AUR BPOs. Hard equasion. Do you know what breaks it and makes them impossible to balance? APEX tunability, ability to modify them. It really has to go.
Agree, the only reason they were acceptable(actually not acceptable at all, imo) in the first place was the locked loadout.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Dzago Sevatarion
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:55:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I hated the idea of BPO's in general or the way they work. something completely unlimited still seems silly in a game like this :/ Agree, the apex suits are the worst offender, basically the opposite of what New Eden is all about.
There are BPOs in EVE... |
KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:01:00 -
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Dzago Sevatarion wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I hated the idea of BPO's in general or the way they work. something completely unlimited still seems silly in a game like this :/ Agree, the apex suits are the worst offender, basically the opposite of what New Eden is all about. There are BPOs in EVE...
You know nothing Jon Snow.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:16:00 -
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Dzago Sevatarion wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I hated the idea of BPO's in general or the way they work. something completely unlimited still seems silly in a game like this :/ Agree, the apex suits are the worst offender, basically the opposite of what New Eden is all about. There are BPOs in EVE...
Those don't generate ships and weapons without plugging them into an industrial work station and adding refined ores of various types in varying amounts.
WE REQUIRE MORE MINERALS
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:18:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I hated the idea of BPO's in general or the way they work. something completely unlimited still seems silly in a game like this :/
I agree. I would rather that a BPO allowed you to recycle material from other salvaged items to create the suit you wanted. But when BPO's were released DUST did not have a crafting system. Maybe someday.
There is an RP explanation for DUST BPO's however:
You can think of a BPO as an "All you can eat" deal from a Dropsuit manufacturer. They gamble that because you will progress past Standard suits, the total costs of all the copies of the Standard BPO suit you lose in battle will be less than what you paid for the BPO. The manufacturer will lose out on some dedicated BPO users, but a lot of the other people who bought BPO's will just hang them in the closet and almost never use them. I own lots of BPO's that are not even being used in my current 30 fittings.
It is like you pay for 2000 copies of the Dropsuit. If you only die 950 times in that dropsuit, then the manufacturer makes a huge profit. If you die in that suit 2020 times the manufacturer takes a small loss. If most BPO deals are profitable, they will cover the few that are losses.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:45:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Thanks for the OP!
Yes, they are intended to be between STD and ADV, and this was defined in the original Dev Blog about APEX's.
So this is a Buff to maintain that distinction. With the Buff that Standard bPO's are getting with proto slot layouts, the APEX's needed to be buffed as well to not become redundant, which is not how we want to treat loyal customers and FW players. Maybe next time if you are juggling with PG/CPU values do it like i did in my post. Clean and easy to understand values of +/- compared to what we have before the patch. Its deffo easier to understand then comparing the chart with raw numbers and then go into the game to compare it by yourself. I believe when changes are happening on Eve they do it similar where you can see instantly the changes. We have always done that, just a time constraint in this case.
On the subject of PG/CPU, the standard Amarr assault and standard Amarr sentinel have received a reduction in PG/CPU from the patch.
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