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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.07.07 03:40:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:If you think this is OP and stupid please redirect your complains towards CCP Ratatti.
I see no problem with APEX suits having slightly better fitting capacity than STD suits. There'd be no distinction whatsoever between BPO and APEX otherwise.
What, properly fitted the current (old) APEXes were between ADV and PRO in power!
surely you don't want that.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.07.07 04:03:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:
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A list full awesome!
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That is a big big thing. Mad Kudos to cloud to finding out.
This quote from the dev blog Quote:In addition, we will be making APEX dropsuits tradable, and will be adjusting their PG/CPU in accordance with their power level, which was meant to be between STD and ADV in power:
Was interpreted as a signal that APEX suits are too powerful now, ranking between ADV and PRO. From that viewpoint, the quote makes perfect sense.
From viewpoint that the APEXes would be too weak and not exceeding STD level... Mindboggling. And untrue.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:37:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Thanks for the OP!
Yes, they are intended to be between STD and ADV, and this was defined in the original Dev Blog about APEX's.
So this is a Buff to maintain that distinction. With the Buff that Standard bPO's are getting with proto slot layouts, the APEX's needed to be buffed as well to not become redundant, which is not how we want to treat loyal customers and FW players.
Rattati, didn't you yourself say that APEX suits were performing better than expected and their fittings reached power level between ADV and PRO?
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:39:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Thanks for the OP!
With the Buff that Standard bPO's are getting with proto slot layouts, the APEX's needed to be buffed as well to not become redundant, which is not how we want to treat loyal customers and FW players.
Doesn't that mean that BPOs are now redundant? Many of them are also AUR BPOs.
Hard equasion. Do you know what breaks it and makes them impossible to balance?
APEX tunability, ability to modify them.
It really has to go.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:01:00 -
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Dzago Sevatarion wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I hated the idea of BPO's in general or the way they work. something completely unlimited still seems silly in a game like this :/ Agree, the apex suits are the worst offender, basically the opposite of what New Eden is all about. There are BPOs in EVE...
You know nothing Jon Snow.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.07.07 17:15:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
Except for the fact that it fundamentally devalues BPOs as a whole and now that we have the beginnings of tiericide shows the rather painfully obvious truth about that. APEXs only ever got out the gate because they were pre-fitted and couldn't be customized (anyone remember CCP saying 'they're not OP because they can't be customized'?) but when they became customizable, they overshadowed BPOs entirely and everyone wanted them (even though there are some of us who feel even the BPOs shouldn't have existed).
Now that all the suits have the same slots the APEXs -SHOULD- by all rights have been turned into just typical BPOs to restore that balance in power creep but because players feel they got gypped on their value (because why wouldn't they? You provided them a golden nugget) we have to figure out a way to make them - holy **** - better than typical BPOs again.
So, yet again, you have an absolutely 100% free, customizable base, that overshadows and fundamentally devalues BPOs as a whole, which already devalue and overshadow standard ISK suits. Like, the logic here is confounding.
EDIT: For the record, the only reason I ever even -started- to like APEX BPOs having prototype slots is because we were getting the beginnings of tiericide and -all- suits were fixing to get the same slots anyway. But now that they'll have an edge on Standard power-level suits.... We're right back to the same freaggin mess. BPOs should have -never- been more powerful than Militia, let alone Standard.
+1000.
I'm backin Aeon on this.
I believe APEX suits were a greatest business move of 2014 for Dust.
I believe also that it wast the biggest and most atrocious design mistake within two year period, considering the health and future design of the game.
I absolutely remember the reasoning why the APEX suits were locked and that's why community accepted them, even those not overly fond of idea of using them themselves.
I remember how community was crowdsourced to design balanced fits with rules not to do extreme power combos, like brick tanking.
I remember how the during the initial deployment there was a big which made APEXes adjustable. CCP was embarrassed and fixed them in few days - but the idea and powerful feeling of that modificability remained. And the repeating requests for modificability finally endured (probably with average AUR APEX sales).
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.07.08 00:50:00 -
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APEXes aren't P2W by any means
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they are very bad design as they make so many parts of the game (other well designed items) obsolete.
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