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Maken Tosch wrote:

PLAYSTTION wrote:

1. I haven't read much in that part and would need to look into it.

2. That was a historical recount not a "Go kill your neibours kids, pet, and wife".

3. Again I'm not familiar with that area.

4. You know that was a test of faith right? He didn't actually kill him?

5. Sigh, is this such a bad thing? I'm pretty sure it says husbands submit to your wives also. It is an equal relationship.

6. Slave meant worker or employee. And you should always respect and obey the people above you even if they are cruel. And with nowadays version of slavery you should do the same. If I was a black slave 200 years ago I would be angry at my master but I would try my best to obey and respect him. I would pray for his heart to change.

I may have misspoken or put something untrue here but this is what my limited knowledge can explain to you.

God bless!

Oh here we go. I'll bite the troll bait.

1. It all boils down to sexism. Some men just don't like the idea of women being in control. Period.
2. The bible is not a history book. Never was. Never will.
3. If you think about it, a god does some magic, no one complains. Someone else does magic, everyone complains? Double standards at work here.
4. If Jehovah is an all knowing creator god, he wouldn't need to test anyone because he would already know the results before the test even started. There is no point in this test. If anything this just tells me that Jehovah didn't know the guy well enough and had to test him. Therefore, Jehovah is not all knowing and thus never all powerful.
5. Nah. It's just more sexism. Read the bible some more.
6. Nah. Slaves weren't even paid back then. Although to be fair if I recall correctly, back when the Roman Empire was still pagan, slavery use to be seen as a means of gaining freedom. You work for a master for a set time and then you earn your freedom. In other words, they were indentured servants. Those are completely different from slaves. Keep in mind the Southern States use to use this part of the bible before the American Civil War as an excuse for owning slaves. Those slaves were never set free and were never paid until after the war.

I will let you off for now as you were kind enough to claim to not understand everything. I suggest you read the bible from front to back and see for yourself how F-ed up it is.

PS: In case anyone asks, I'm not atheist. I'm Gnostic (not to be confused with Agnostic).

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Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 294	Posted - 2015.06.26 21:09:00 - [121] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: PLAYSTTION wrote: 1. I haven't read much in that part and would need to look into it. 2. That was a historical recount not a "Go kill your neibours kids, pet, and wife". 3. Again I'm not familiar with that area. 4. You know that was a test of faith right? He didn't actually kill him? 5. Sigh, is this such a bad thing? I'm pretty sure it says husbands submit to your wives also. It is an equal relationship. 6. Slave meant worker or employee. And you should always respect and obey the people above you even if they are cruel. And with nowadays version of slavery you should do the same. If I was a black slave 200 years ago I would be angry at my master but I would try my best to obey and respect him. I would pray for his heart to change. I may have misspoken or put something untrue here but this is what my limited knowledge can explain to you. God bless! Oh here we go. I'll bite the troll bait. 1. It all boils down to sexism. Some men just don't like the idea of women being in control. Period. 2. The bible is not a history book. Never was. Never will. 3. If you think about it, a god does some magic, no one complains. Someone else does magic, everyone complains? Double standards at work here. 4. If Jehovah is an all knowing creator god, he wouldn't need to test anyone because he would already know the results before the test even started. There is no point in this test. If anything this just tells me that Jehovah didn't know the guy well enough and had to test him. Therefore, Jehovah is not all knowing and thus never all powerful. 5. Nah. It's just more sexism. Read the bible some more. 6. Nah. Slaves weren't even paid back then. Although to be fair if I recall correctly, back when the Roman Empire was still pagan, slavery use to be seen as a means of gaining freedom. You work for a master for a set time and then you earn your freedom. In other words, they were indentured servants. Those are completely different from slaves. Keep in mind the Southern States use to use this part of the bible before the American Civil War as an excuse for owning slaves. Those slaves were never set free and were never paid until after the war. I will let you off for now as you were kind enough to claim to not understand everything. I suggest you read the bible from front to back and see for yourself how F-ed up it is. PS: In case anyone asks, I'm not atheist. I'm Gnostic (not to be confused with Agnostic). Ugh...I'm going to start out by saying, secular government is secular, and while I hate the redefinition of words (in this case Marriage) and will resist the redefinition of the term in vernacular...since it has a legal definition as well, that definition must be extended to all persons. (In other-words, I support the spirit of Marriage and "Gay" Marriage being treated the same, but would rather them both be labeled as Civil Unions to avoid redefining a word...since I like words with more static definitions because it avoids problems that will be encountered later in this post) That being said...I feel I need to provide context to the passages to which you responded to the responses to: (Bear in mind, that these are intended to be informative to the best of my knowledge, not inflammatory or Offensive, and I apologize if they come off as inflammatory or offensive, it was not the original intent, and as tone can be difficult to convey over the internet I want to get this stated before it is read) 1. Have you considered the cultural context in which it was written (Ephesus Somewhere between 62-66AD)? If you read Galatians 3:28 and Ephesians 5:21 (Which was years after the letter to Timothy was sent) it seems to paint a different light, therefore we can surmise that it was more of an instruction for that particular church at that particular time. Another thing worth noting is that the word translated as "Authority" had so many meanings at the time (and many more, some of which didn't come into usage until 300 AD) that some scholars disagree on what the passage actually says. 2. Point...the purpose isn't to inform of specifics of events, lots of The Bible is written in a narrative/lyrical form (as was the custom in the cultures that wrote it), making much of it difficult to distinguish fact from embellishment...although I must admit, that is a very effective way of doing warfare...raze everything to the ground, leave no survivors to seek revenge. 3 Ok...I'm a little rusty on my Hebrew, so maybe someone who is more familiar with the language can help out here, but if I'm remembering correctly, it would refer to one who used "magic" to bring harm to someone (the term magic could range from a number of things including stage magic, supernatural abilities, medicines, or poisons) 4 ...I don't have the time or text-space to adequately respond to your response on this one...but here's one possible explanation without nearly enough space dedicated to it. Imagine a being could see all possible outcomes to all possible situations at all times...this being would be all-knowing would they not? They know every possible way events can turn out, as well as how events will turn out, and knows that what will turn out will turn out...but by the nature of an entity that exists outside of the universe, Jehovah would be difficult to understand/explain...but I lack the time and qualifications 5 Like the verse immediately before the one you're talking about...or the entire section/chapter? Also see Galatians 3:28 6. Ignoring the historical context in which passages where written is the very reason they where and are being exploited...passages from any number of documents that people believe in can be taken out of context and used to exploit others, they are powerful tools and like most tools can be used as weapons I encourage people to go and look these up for themselves, to fact check me, since I've been known to be wrong Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.26 21:11:00 - [122] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Panthrax Oblivion wrote: A sad dark day for my country A very sad day. A country that was once formed on principles of the bible (even tho they didn't really follow it) is increasing the distance more and more each day. BUT THATS NONE OF MY BUSINESS. What the ever loving ****? The Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." Written at the end of George Washington's second term, and signed during John Adams. Congratulations to all those finally gaining the equal right to legally love another human being! Yeah, but those boys said it themselves: they were likely to be the best government that country would ever have. GÇ£If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.GÇ¥ ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789 PSN: RationalSpark
Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 234	Posted - 2015.06.26 21:22:00 - [123] - Quote The main point is that this can no longer be a debate point for the next election. Now they can cover real issues! The fact that equal rights are still being debated in presidential platforms is idiotic. They need to focus on things like world economy, trade disputes, education reform, crime, direction of health care reform, ... "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
Quasar Storm 0uter.heaven 548	Posted - 2015.06.26 21:40:00 - [124] - Quote It is a great thing that this has happened. More people can start being themselves and live their lives. Equal rights is one more step towards true social evolution of man. Its the path I hope for mankind everyday, To walk side-by-side and help one another. To build a future together. As for God/Bible/Religion, None of that is of any importance to this matter. To be honest, I question the existence of God. Always have. It gets worse as I age. The more I look around, The more I see things that should not be. Famine, Disease, Poverty, War. What kind of God lets this happen? What kind of all-knowing God creates life knowing it would wrought such things. Its very confusing. In fact, There are SO many confusing things about God, I refuse to let him be the scapegoat to the unknown. In the past, Humans have always used God and the supernatural to explain the oddities of nature. "It MUST have been God", They say. But with time, We've come to understand that there are laws of the universe that govern our existence. Therefore, As our knowledge grows, I'm sure there will be less and less things that we hold a Religious grudge over. BUT, Just because I believe in Science, Doesn't mean it gives me the right to judge religious folk. Doesn't give me the right to judge anyone period. One major thing that I've come to pass is to just let people believe in what they want. Let them live the way they choose. Some people seek faith, Some others seek truth. Doesn't matter what race, orientation, religious stature you are. You're a human being in the end, And that's all that really matters. Your Canadian Pal/Buddy/Friend, Stormy ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy No Context 1	Posted - 2015.06.26 21:40:00 - [125] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: I encourage people to go and look these up for themselves, to fact check me, since I've been known to be wrong lol that quote was so big I had to delete all of it but this to type Anyway thanks for clarifying this to him. I had been typing for a good hour and as I've said I'm not an expert and may be wrong. Galassault Galogi Galsent Galmando Galscout `Open Beta Vet - 46.5 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`
Jathniel Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.06.26 22:06:00 - [126] - Quote This thread topic probably belongs in "The Locker Room" section... just sayin...
maybe deadcatz Horizons' Edge No Context 242	Posted - 2015.06.26 22:18:00 - [127] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Panthrax Oblivion wrote: A sad dark day for my country And my opinion of you just went down the sh+»t hole. Now im mad at you pan. Ewar? What's that? Some kind of new crutch? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots. Batteskirts for the win!!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.26 22:28:00 - [128] - Quote The only God I know is that Suspended Plasma in my Assault Rifle mag. Lucent Echelon Chat Channel is fixed
Commander Noctus Gallente Loyalist 238	Posted - 2015.06.26 22:38:00 - [129] - Quote comes in to voice opinion on topic: sees this is slowly driveling into a religious/bigoted debate: quickly skulks off, shaking head sadly Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2	Posted - 2015.06.26 22:48:00 - [130] - Quote im glad I have this little alchemical sign for sulphur on my wrist. Leveyan philosophy best philosophy. I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Officially team salmon #majestic leaps

Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 104	Posted - 2015.06.26 23:07:00 - [131] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: REDBACK96USMC wrote: Well Technically it isnt legal yet, but the legal precedent has been set for States to do so if they please. In the end it is still up to the States to decide. I assume States like Texas and such will still not recognize it internally since they don't give a crap about federal funding. Not true: ruling states that the 14th amendment is extended to cover gay marriage, overriding state opinions on the matter. Texas' Attorney General says to not issue, but he has no legal basis for the claim and it will be forced in court. lol, 14th Amendment it only took 5 lawyers 160+ years to see what none had seen before. The Supreme court is the greatest threat to our democracy today-320 million people being told what is the law by 5 liberal New York elitists-and none of them is a real-American. Mordu's walking quafe mascot.
Pierced Daddy Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 21	Posted - 2015.06.26 23:11:00 - [132] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: "This several thousand year old book says dehumanizing people is okay, so it must be okay." I'm getting really pissed off at the homophobes in this thread. Keep cherrypicking from your storybook. Oh, and before anyone gets any ideas; I'm your average straight, non-religious, over-privileged white teenager. Except many of my friends are not heterosexual, and I'm trying to fathom why people want to stick their nose in other people's lives and tell them how to feel and what they're allowed to do. But, you know, "God loves everyone, except for those gay people. Make sure they don't have basic human rights because the way you roll is the 'right way' and anyone who doesn't is invalid." ...Whoa. I got salty. 9/10, you got me. GG I made the post once I noticed my qqcup was empty. It has filled up several times since then, and my life force has been sustained. So your life force is sucking other liquids from men? Where do I sign up? I'm not looking for a relationship. See everyone is coming outta the closet with all this good news
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 940	Posted - 2015.06.26 23:15:00 - [133] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: The main point is that this can no longer be a debate point for the next election. Now they can cover real issues! The fact that equal rights are still being debated in presidential platforms is idiotic. They need to focus on things like world economy, trade disputes, education reform, crime, direction of health care reform, ... Holy hell thank you. Oh wait, they can still debate ********* so they don't have to tackle real issues. Yo, SCOTUS, you mind handling that one as well so the asshats in Washington have to do real work in between their 200 days off a year? Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.26 23:16:00 - [134] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Daddrobit wrote: What the ever loving **? The Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." Written at the end of George Washington's second term, and signed during John Adams. Congratulations to all those finally gaining the equal right to legally love another human being! totally on topic important NF business: Dad, next time you are on, NF requests your soothing voice to grace us with the reading of various Kain Spero fan fiction. Aeon Amadi tried, but it isn't the same as your buttery smooth voice. Well. ** you too then. Vote #TeamGreen Because if you don't, the Cow Dairy will be the next ones who are bias!
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 940	Posted - 2015.06.26 23:17:00 - [135] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Balistyc Farshot wrote: The main point is that this can no longer be a debate point for the next election. Now they can cover real issues! The fact that equal rights are still being debated in presidential platforms is idiotic. They need to focus on things like world economy, trade disputes, education reform, crime, direction of health care reform, ... Holy hell thank you. Oh wait, they can still debate ********* so they don't have to tackle real issues. Yo, SCOTUS, you mind handling that one as well so the asshats in Washington have to do real work in between their 200 days off a year? I can't put M a r I j u a n a on the forums? Seriously? Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.26 23:18:00 - [136] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: No matter if you are homosexual or heterosexual,I hate you all. You're not being all-inclusive, Sir, there's more demographics than "just" homo and hetero to hate! Remember, equal rights for all, that means an equal share of your rage! WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 104	Posted - 2015.06.26 23:19:00 - [137] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: REDBACK96USMC wrote: I think you should read the State Actor Doctrine and rethink that. State action doctrine is the American legal concept that the protections of the Constitution GÇö such as the Fourteenth and First Amendments GÇö only apply with any real strength to the coercive power of the state against the individual, rather than the coercive power of the individual against the individual. From a legal website... your interpretation is wrong. 14th amendment is upheld, states are required to marry. Sorry. Where in the Constitution is marriage mentioned? It is not and therefore up to the individual states to regulate. Using the 14th Amendment is laughable and shows a level of legal incompetence that is impeachable. Mordu's walking quafe mascot.
Magnus Belmont Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.06.26 23:21:00 - [138] - Quote I'm don't even have to read any posts to know there is a "God hates homo's" from people too ignorant to have actually read a bible. That would be like saying the bible says, God hates people who drink, steal, lie, cheat, and so on and so forth. Which it clearly does not, it's the act the person is doing that is looked down upon in the book, not the person themselves. You know, how when your kid does something you see as wrong and you scold them for it? But do you hate your kid? No, you don't ._.
Boot Booter Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.26 23:44:00 - [139] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Panthrax Oblivion wrote: A sad dark day for my country A very sad day. A country that was once formed on principles of the bible (even tho they didn't really follow it) is increasing the distance more and more each day. BUT THATS NONE OF MY BUSINESS. B*shate, US was not builded on principles of any religious book. It is even stated how state should not be interfered by any religion. America was not founded on principles Yeah the principles of colonial imperialism and racism.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.26 23:46:00 - [140] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: PLAYSTTION wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: "God created everything" that includes gays you bible dwellers He also gave us marriage between 1 man and 1 woman. He also does not give you a temptation you cannot overcome. GÇ£I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.GÇ¥ (1 Timothy 2:12) GÇ£This is what the Lord Almighty says... GÇÿNow go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.GÇÖGÇ¥ (1 Samuel 15:3) GÇ£Do not allow a sorceress to live.GÇ¥ (Exodus 22:18) GÇÿTake your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.GÇÖ (Genesis 22:2) GÇ£Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.GÇ¥ (Ephesians 5:22) GÇ£Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.GÇ¥ (1 Peter 2:18) If this is what God is, then FUCKTHATNOISE. /orders an extra-large bag of popcorn Save some of that popcorn for me WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 104	Posted - 2015.06.27 00:01:00 - [141] - Quote REDBACK96USMC wrote: Well Technically it isnt legal yet, but the legal precedent has been set for States to do so if they please. In the end it is still up to the States to decide. I assume States like Texas and such will still not recognize it internally since they don't give a crap about federal funding. GOD BLESS the Republic of Texas! Mordu's walking quafe mascot.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.27 00:02:00 - [142] - Quote Here's a little thought, for the people who are actually pious and believe. Judge not, lest ye be judged. Is it your place to condemn someone else? Christians are quick to say god loves everyone... then turn around and point and almost in the same breath they say God hates (insert unfavored demographic here). Judge not, lest ye be judged. this is my last comment in this thread. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 940	Posted - 2015.06.27 00:16:00 - [143] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Here's a little thought, for the people who are actually pious and believe. Judge not, lest ye be judged. Is it your place to condemn someone else? Christians are quick to say god loves everyone... then turn around and point and almost in the same breath they say God hates (insert unfavored demographic here). Judge not, lest ye be judged. this is my last comment in this thread. Common sense, logic, and reason should be kept off these forums at all costs. Stop it Breakin. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 104	Posted - 2015.06.27 00:22:00 - [144] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Daddrobit wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Panthrax Oblivion wrote: A sad dark day for my country A very sad day. A country that was once formed on principles of the bible (even tho they didn't really follow it) is increasing the distance more and more each day. BUT THATS NONE OF MY BUSINESS. What the ever loving ****? The Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." Written at the end of George Washington's second term, and signed during John Adams. Congratulations to all those finally gaining the equal right to legally love another human being! Yeah, but those boys said it themselves: they were likely to be the best government that country would ever have. GÇ£If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.GÇ¥ ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789 Ya'll do realize that the Christian Churches will just not comply. Yes they will lose their tax exempt status, but in so doing will become the most powerful political entities in US history. They will, eclipse the unions in numbers, message and dollars. Your 5 New York libtards, dressed in black robes, should never have taken the case-they had no legal standing in the first place. O'bama should never attacked Bill Clinton's DOMA statute! good luck dethocrats! Mordu's walking quafe mascot.
Dreis Shadowweaver 0uter.heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.27 00:57:00 - [145] - Quote Can someone explain to me the difference between a marriage and a civil union? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 36	Posted - 2015.06.27 01:00:00 - [146] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Can someone explain to me the difference between a marriage and a civil union? Nomenclature.
Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 104	Posted - 2015.06.27 01:03:00 - [147] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Can someone explain to me the difference between a marriage and a civil union? In a civil union you have the same legal protections that marriage conveys, at the employee, State level In marriage you can create life. Mordu's walking quafe mascot.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.27 01:06:00 - [148] - Quote Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Can someone explain to me the difference between a marriage and a civil union? Nomenclature. So what will change for same-sex couple's in the US following this ruling? Also, is marriage a necessarily religious ceremony, or can you be married in a non-religious way? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.27 01:15:00 - [149] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: As someone who has watched friends commit suicide from their own harrasement, solely because of a sexual preference one is born with... That hasn't been proven. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 104	Posted - 2015.06.27 01:18:00 - [150] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Dzago Sevatarion wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Can someone explain to me the difference between a marriage and a civil union? Nomenclature. So what will change for same-sex couple's in the US following this ruling? Also, is marriage a necessarily religious ceremony, or can you be married in a non-religious way? The problem is not marriage, the problem is the Federal government and the Supreme court creating law where it has no jurisdiction. Our Constitution is written so that it expressly states what it has legal jurisdiction over. If the matter is not expressly described then the individual states have jurisdiction and the residents of that states vote on legislation. The US is a Federal Republic and not a Democracy. Mordu's walking quafe mascot.



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