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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Panthrax Oblivion wrote:A sad dark day for my country A very sad day. A country that was once formed on principles of the bible (even tho they didn't really follow it) is increasing the distance more and more each day. BUT THATS NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
Yeup, the world is changing even further than anyone could have expected. Who knows what they will do next. They HAVE equal rights as a person but marriage is 1 man 1 woman.
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Heimdallr69 wrote:"God created everything" that includes gays you bible dwellers
He also gave us marriage between 1 man and 1 woman. He also does not give you a temptation you cannot overcome.
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As individuals. My belief is they shouldn't be in a romantic relationship in the first place.
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Moochie Cricket wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:"God created everything" that includes gays you bible dwellers He also gave us marriage between 1 man and 1 woman. He also does not give you a temptation you cannot overcome. GÇ£I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.GÇ¥ (1 Timothy 2:12) GÇ£This is what the Lord Almighty says... GÇÿNow go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.GÇÖGÇ¥ (1 Samuel 15:3) GÇ£Do not allow a sorceress to live.GÇ¥ (Exodus 22:18) GÇÿTake your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.GÇÖ (Genesis 22:2) GÇ£Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.GÇ¥ (Ephesians 5:22) GÇ£Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.GÇ¥ (1 Peter 2:18) If this is what God is, then FUCKTHATNOISE.
Ok here we go. I'm young an my bible knowledge is pretty small but I will give you context and explain the ones I understand.
1. I haven't read much in that part and would need to look into it.
2. That was a historical recount not a "Go kill your neibours kids, pet, and wife".
3. Again I'm not familiar with that area.
4. You know that was a test of faith right? He didn't actually kill him?
5. Sigh, is this such a bad thing? I'm pretty sure it says husbands submit to your wives also. It is an equal relationship.
6. Slave meant worker or employee. And you should always respect and obey the people above you even if they are cruel. And with nowadays version of slavery you should do the same. If I was a black slave 200 years ago I would be angry at my master but I would try my best to obey and respect him. I would pray for his heart to change.
I may have misspoken or put something untrue here but this is what my limited knowledge can explain to you.
God bless!
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Maken Tosch wrote:Jehovah floods an entire world, burns two cities because they didn't like foreigners, kills every first born in Egypt, and lies to Adam and Eve about the tree. None of the bible thumpers seem to complain about that.
Someone asks for gay marriage... OMGWTFBBQ THE BIBLE THUMPERS GO CRAZY AND CLAIM THE END OF SOCIETY IS COMING!
/meanwhile Maken will continue to eat popcorn
PS: Do I have to bring up what the Christians did to the Mormons back in Joseph Smith's day?
The Flood: He warned them and saved the only holiest man left.
Sodom and Gomorrah: Extremely sinful cities that God judged.
Egyptian Plages: He warned them.
Tree: What was the lie about the tree? He said don't eat from it and obviously it was bad. Look where we are now, it must have been bad.
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Maken Tosch wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:As individuals. My belief is they shouldn't be in a romantic relationship in the first place. And my belief is that no one should deny anyone such a romantic relationship. Your point?
Point: They have all the rights they need to live and are respected as people. But homosexuality is a sin and they should repent. I'm not going to go kill them but will love and respect them like anyone else.
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demens grimwulff wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Ok here we go. I'm young an my bible knowledge is pretty small but I will give you context and explain the ones I understand. When you get older, see if your bigoted opinions remain. As someone who has suffered threats of violence, failed college classes, had people threaten to pull work from the company I work for, and watched friends commit suicide from their own harrasement, solely because of a sexual preference one is born with, your opinion in this thread reflects the lack of maturity and experience that you admit to not having. Get out of the surbabanite bubble and see the world. You will change.
Your right I will change! My beliefs will become more solid and my knowledge will expand. I went on a missions trip to Honduras to "see the world" when I was 13 and I did change. Building up that village was amazing. I will be going to Jamaica to do the same next year.
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Speaking of sins how many of you had sex before marriage? See you in hell
Also lying, don't tell me you've never lied everyone has, once again see you in hell
No human shall go to heaven, according to your bible that is
the most well know verse in the bible says other things. The main point of the bible is that Jesus came and died for us terrible hate filled people who commit all those terrible things you have said so that if we chose him and tried our best to live for him we will live forever.
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:homosexuality is a sin Ah, yes. I remember that line. "Man shall not lie with man as he does a women. It is an abomination." Notice how it doesn't explain why. No suporting argument, no reasoning whatsoever. Kinda sounds like, I dunno, someone's opinion. Just maybe.
Give me the verse or ask someone who knows this better than me. It also says marriage is to be between a man and a woman. And if the verse has God saying it who are we to judge God?
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Maken Tosch wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:"God created everything" that includes gays you bible dwellers He also gave us marriage between 1 man and 1 woman. He also does not give you a temptation you cannot overcome. GÇ£I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.GÇ¥ (1 Timothy 2:12) GÇ£This is what the Lord Almighty says... GÇÿNow go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.GÇÖGÇ¥ (1 Samuel 15:3) GÇ£Do not allow a sorceress to live.GÇ¥ (Exodus 22:18) GÇÿTake your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.GÇÖ (Genesis 22:2) GÇ£Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.GÇ¥ (Ephesians 5:22) GÇ£Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.GÇ¥ (1 Peter 2:18) If this is what God is, then FUCKTHATNOISE. Ok here we go. I'm young an my bible knowledge is pretty small but I will give you context and explain the ones I understand. 1. I haven't read much in that part and would need to look into it. 2. That was a historical recount not a "Go kill your neibours kids, pet, and wife". 3. Again I'm not familiar with that area. 4. You know that was a test of faith right? He didn't actually kill him? 5. Sigh, is this such a bad thing? I'm pretty sure it says husbands submit to your wives also. It is an equal relationship. 6. Slave meant worker or employee. And you should always respect and obey the people above you even if they are cruel. And with nowadays version of slavery you should do the same. If I was a black slave 200 years ago I would be angry at my master but I would try my best to obey and respect him. I would pray for his heart to change. I may have misspoken or put something untrue here but this is what my limited knowledge can explain to you. God bless! Oh here we go. I'll bite the troll bait. 1. It all boils down to sexism. Some men just don't like the idea of women being in control. Period. 2. The bible is not a history book. Never was. Never will. 3. If you think about it, a god does some magic, no one complains. Someone else does magic, everyone complains? Double standards at work here. 4. If Jehovah is an all knowing creator god, he wouldn't need to test anyone because he would already know the results before the test even started. There is no point in this test. If anything this just tells me that Jehovah didn't know the guy well enough and had to test him. Therefore, Jehovah is not all knowing and thus never all powerful. 5. Nah. It's just more sexism. Read the bible some more. 6. Nah. Slaves weren't even paid back then. Although to be fair if I recall correctly, back when the Roman Empire was still pagan, slavery use to be seen as a means of gaining freedom. You work for a master for a set time and then you earn your freedom. In other words, they were indentured servants. Those are completely different from slaves. Keep in mind the Southern States use to use this part of the bible before the American Civil War as an excuse for owning slaves. Those slaves were never set free and were never paid until after the war. I will let you off for now as you were kind enough to claim to not understand everything. I suggest you read the bible from front to back and see for yourself how F-ed up it is. PS: In case anyone asks, I'm not atheist. I'm Gnostic (not to be confused with Agnostic).
Thank you for the respectful response. I will let you know it is just as easy for me to respond to your points and make you look silly as you have.
I suggest you look into the answers to these yourself as I cannot and would prefer not to type it all. Watch a few of Ravi Zacharias's videos on these topics and you will understand better, you will probably have the same response but its worth a try.
If you want my personal responses ask, I have them but it I think the videos/research will have a better effect.
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Maken Tosch wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Jehovah floods an entire world, burns two cities because they didn't like foreigners, kills every first born in Egypt, and lies to Adam and Eve about the tree. None of the bible thumpers seem to complain about that.
Someone asks for gay marriage... OMGWTFBBQ THE BIBLE THUMPERS GO CRAZY AND CLAIM THE END OF SOCIETY IS COMING!
/meanwhile Maken will continue to eat popcorn
PS: Do I have to bring up what the Christians did to the Mormons back in Joseph Smith's day? The Flood: He warned them and saved the only holiest man left. Sodom and Gomorrah: Extremely sinful cities that God judged. Egyptian Plages: He warned them. Tree: What was the lie about the tree? He said don't eat from it and obviously it was bad. Look where we are now, it must have been bad. Still doesn't excuse Jehovah from committing crimes against humanity. When the time comes that I die and see him personally, I will tell him to frakk off. I wouldn't want to be a part of a club where the guy in charge is a mass murderer. PS: Read the bible. He said that eating from the tree will kill them. They ate the fruit but never died. They just learned the difference between right and wrong.
It did kill them. It introduced death to the world and humans. That has a much deeper meaning than you would expect. Again, I'm not an expert with years of study, but if you want further clarification ask or research.
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Maken Tosch wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:
Point: They have all the rights they need to live and are respected as people. But homosexuality is a sin and they should repent. I'm not going to go kill them but will love and respect them like anyone else.
I'll give you some time to think about what you just said.
I know, I said I'd love them. Not romantically, but brother and sisterly.
Can you still love a friend even if he is a criminal? You would advise him to stop but it is his choice to go straight.
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Panthrax Oblivion wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Ok here we go. I'm young an my bible knowledge is pretty small but I will give you context and explain the ones I understand. When you get older, see if your bigoted opinions remain. As someone who has suffered threats of violence, failed college classes, had people threaten to pull work from the company I work for, and watched friends commit suicide from their own harrasement, solely because of a sexual preference one is born with, your opinion in this thread reflects the lack of maturity and experience that you admit to not having. Get out of the surbabanite bubble and see the world. You will change. PLAYSTTION is explaining his point through a Christian perspective and interpreting all the Biblical passages to shed some light that God is not as cruel as everyone thinks. How does this make him immature? If anything, you are for attacking his beliefs. Give your opinion, let each person believe what they want to, and go back to more important things than getting salty on a silly thread 
Thanks, I am enjoying answering these questions actually. Its easy throughout the internet where the questions come slower. IRL when people bash me it is question after question with no time for an answer. Its also always 5v1.
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demens grimwulff wrote:Panthrax Oblivion wrote:PLAYSTTION is explaining his point through a Christian perspective and interpreting all the Biblical passages to shed some light that God is not as cruel as everyone thinks. How does this make him immature? If anything, you are for attacking his beliefs. Give your opinion, let each person believe what they want to, and go back to more important things than getting salty on a silly thread *facepalms* maturity [muh-choo r-i-tee, -too r-, -tyoo r-, -chur-] noun 1. the state of being mature; ripeness: The fruit will reach maturity in a few days. 2. full development; perfected condition: maturity of judgment; to bring a plan to maturity I am glad you used the psychological definition, which through proper interpretation you will notice through context that I did not, as it points out your opinions and views on the matter. I am not attacking his age so much as lack of experience outside of the bubble his family has put him in. His opinions aren't that mature and require more time to fully develop. Though I do appreciate your injection of your own bias... it is quite telling.
I understand my mind is not fully there yet but my faith is my own. My family started it but I have taken it up.
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Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.
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Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity.
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Maken Tosch wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:
Point: They have all the rights they need to live and are respected as people. But homosexuality is a sin and they should repent. I'm not going to go kill them but will love and respect them like anyone else.
I'll give you some time to think about what you just said. I know, I said I'd love them. Not romantically, but brother and sisterly. Can you still love a friend even if he is a criminal? You would advise him to stop but it is his choice to go straight. Did. You. Just. Compare. Homosexuality. With. Criminality?
I compared a sin with a sin in a relatable analogy. Again, I do not claim to be all knowing on this topic .
And my point there was if a friend was going down a bad path...
It was the only non-christian example I had, as adultery and other things aren't as severe to non-believers.
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demens grimwulff wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Thanks, I am enjoying answering these questions actually. Its easy throughout the internet where the questions come slower. IRL when people bash me it is question after question with no time for an answer. Its also always 5v1. Not sure why you are thanking him. He did nothing besides misinterpret my statement... unless you did the same and felt like he pointed it out... at which point, my statement still applies, but to both of you.
Thanks for support is what that meant.
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demens grimwulff wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Thanks, I am enjoying answering these questions actually. Its easy throughout the internet where the questions come slower. IRL when people bash me it is question after question with no time for an answer. Its also always 5v1. Not sure why you are thanking him. He did nothing besides misinterpret my statement... unless you did the same and felt like he pointed it out... at which point, my statement still applies, but to both of you.
Thanks for support is what that meant.
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demens grimwulff wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:I compared a sin with a sin in a relatable analogy. Again, I do not claim to be all knowing on this topic .
And my point there was if a friend was going down a bad path...
It was the only non-christian example I had, as adultery and other things aren't as severe to non-believers. Wow. ... wow. Ummm... wow... I... wow. /done
I clarified more in an edit to that.
" I used an extreme to get my point across"
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Daddrobit wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:homosexuality is a sin Ah, yes. I remember that line. "Man shall not lie with man as he does a women. It is an abomination." Notice how it doesn't explain why. No suporting argument, no reasoning whatsoever. Kinda sounds like, I dunno, someone's opinion. Just maybe. Give me the verse or ask someone who knows this better than me. It also says marriage is to be between a man and a woman. And if the verse has God saying it who are we to judge God? Well, God also states that **** victims must marry their rapist after the rapist has paid her father for her. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." The verse of god. But I'd make a solid wager that you would have disagreed with it had I made a push to get such a law ratified that rapists pay a fine and marry their victims not knowing where the the verse came from.
Once again, I'm not an expert, especially on this one since it's touchy. BUT here is what Ive heard on this and think about it.
I do not trust my opinion on this one so I will direct you o asking the internet. That is where I heard about this verse and I think Ravi Zacharias spoke about it. Anyway look itup and it will clear it up for you.
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demens grimwulff wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:
I understand my mind is not fully there yet but my faith is my own. My family started it but I have taken it up.
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Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.
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Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity.
Profound, but misguided. I am not looking down on you because of your age, I am just pointing out that your bigoted opinions will change in time, as your exposure to the world has been limited. Much like discussions in public forums, I am sure. If a 40 year old had said the same, I would have responded in the same manner... your opinions reflect that of someone whow has not spent time amongst the world. Your otherization of homosexuality is, in part, how this is easily recognizeable.
I spent one year of school being put down and treated like dirt for being Christian. One kid turned every one of my friends against me. I lost my best friend after 10 years. I never once mistreated them and only ever showed love. I took it all and moved on after that year with help from the bible. I forgive them as much as I can and pray for them to see the truth.
I know there is WAY more to come especially in these times (as I'm sure every generation said) but I will stick to my beliefs.
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:who are we to judge God? Well, let's see... According to the way the story flows, God created everything, and sometimes drops some magic or communicates with his favorite humans. Never does he directly take control of someone's actions via mind control. He always speaks to them or affects the environment around them. What I'm saying is, we are human beings capable of independent thought. We can question the motives and opinions of anyone, including the creator. So yeah, I'm judging him right now. I think he should wake up and tell his followers to stop being intolerant and stop using an old storybook as a reference guide. Seriously, it's full of ideals that don't apply to today's society, and work better with ancient times. Ya know, when it was written. But I'll admit, religion is an elaborate system. It's perfectly designed to take advantage of human psychology and insure loyalty to the ideals written by people who want everyone to think the same way. That's pretty much what happened. That's what people do, they want everyone to think like them. They'll go to any lengths to achieve it, even violence, AKA the Crusades, ISIS, etc.. One thing I find very interesting is that we all know that arguing about religion is pointless, but we do it anyway. I suppose having the opportunity to organize our thoughts on the matter helps solidify and expand our stance on it. Or we just want to be right and wave it around. Probably that one.
Yes God gave us free will to do whatever we want. Even judge him, but we shouldn't, who are we to judge the creator?
If you look deeper in the bible you will see it does apply to todays society. The crusades were to claim the holy land as far as I know not force religion upon people. And ISIS is an Islamic group and so far no muslims have showed up here so forget about that, their religion is completely different.
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:
I understand my mind is not fully there yet but my faith is my own. My family started it but I have taken it up.
1 Timothy 4:12
[ESV]
Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.
[NSV]
Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity.
Profound, but misguided. I am not looking down on you because of your age, I am just pointing out that your bigoted opinions will change in time, as your exposure to the world has been limited. Much like discussions in public forums, I am sure. If a 40 year old had said the same, I would have responded in the same manner... your opinions reflect that of someone whow has not spent time amongst the world. Your otherization of homosexuality is, in part, how this is easily recognizeable. I spent one year of school being put down and treated like dirt for being Christian. One kid turned every one of my friends against me. I lost my best friend after 10 years. I never once mistreated them and only ever showed love. I took it all and moved on after that year with help from the bible. I forgive them as much as I can and pray for them to see the truth. I know there is WAY more to come especially in these times (as I'm sure every generation said) but I will stick to my beliefs. That's a sad thing to hear, but ultimately a good thing, those people were not your friends especially that one of 10 years. I can tell you now, everyone of my friends that I've known for over two years I'd take a bullet for and give all the money in my wallet to if they really needed it. Best to move on and use that as a self building experience.
That was the point of the story. My friend of 10 years was a mormon but weak and not personally yet. The guy swooped in and brought him into a life of sin but I was stronger and yes, built myself up. The bible says something about that that has escaped me at the moment. Yea I moved on, the next year was high school where I got new friends. I surpassed the ring leader in every skill at school (including sports) and have more friends than him. Without God I would have been just as pathetic as him.
I'm sure when he's older he will change his opinions to and realize that the generous guy doing volunteer work for free in some disease ridden country is mush happier than him.
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I encourage people to go and look these up for themselves, to fact check me, since I've been known to be wrong
lol that quote was so big I had to delete all of it but this to type
Anyway thanks for clarifying this to him. I had been typing for a good hour and as I've said I'm not an expert and may be wrong.
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postapo wastelander wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:homosexuality is a sin Ah, yes. I remember that line. "Man shall not lie with man as he does a women. It is an abomination." Notice how it doesn't explain why. No suporting argument, no reasoning whatsoever. Kinda sounds like, I dunno, someone's opinion. Just maybe. And what about splitted hoof, do every that really big christians really not eat that. Do ALL christians of US (and any other country) not eat pigs and any other of same kind hows bible told. Fc\_/k you fecking fanatics. BACON POWA
It later says you can eat a pigs meat.
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Daddrobit wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:
The Old testament says no, but Jesus comes and changes the law in the new testament.
Nope, everything in the old testament still stands as firmly as the day it was scribbled down. Matthew 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no ways pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
Thank you for that verse as I was looking for it to prove my point. That was a fulfilment of the law. This doesn't mean disregard the Old testament but the laws that have been changed are now the law. Like updating a countries law like yesterdays sad decision. My country already did this.
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Maken Tosch wrote:Why? Why did you all continue to make the same mistake I did already? You fed the troll after midnight. You happy now? The gremlins are running amok all over every major map including the Gallente Lag Facility.
How does that work? It is always after midnight. Do the have to feed themselves or do the just always become gremlins?
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