Is that CCP AquarHEAD? Made a post about UE4 yesterday.
https://twitter.com/aquarhead/status/613944394325065728

So the Project Nemesis debuted at fanfest then?

http://www.wareable.com/vr/vr-games-ccp-project-nemesis-samsung-gear-vr-eve-kinect-demos-966

A step into mobile could be a good step for CCP.
I'd be curious how they could adapt a crowd sciences system to it in addition to other existing portable assets like the hacking minigame in EVE, evemail, fittings, and corporation management tools.

https://youtu.be/C5QLgQCkdoc?t=35m21s

Sorry we couldn't release a full game again. There wasn't as much memory on the smartphones as we though, and you'd be a fool to believe we would try to optimize the game from the get go.

So, in a move that borders on crazy stalker creepy, I decided to peruse Linked In

Ok.

Nemesis runs on UE4.

As to it taking away time from x project, slowing y project and just buggering up z project altogether I will say this once again so apologies to those who've heard this before.

At Fanfest, on the first day, Nemisis was shown as part of the VR Lab which included other tech demos from CCP's Atlanta, Newcastle and Shanghai studios. There was also some Oculas stuff being shown as well. This is all part of CCP's R&D and part of their switch to VR as they are massive fans of it.

So of course Project Nemesis was immediately blamed by some that choose to look for drama where there is none for the no show of Legion, Dust on PS4 or PC, etc etc....

So that night I was at the charity meal and chating to Hilmar and Rattati and brought up the latest speculation from the forums as to the displacement of resources that Project Nemesis had caused.

Hilmar started to laugh a bit and just said 'it's just three guys messing with a mobile Dev kit on their lunch break! That's the sum amount of time being spent on it so far. What its cost us, I could fund with the money in my wallet right now.' This was also the same conversation that he told us that Dust was now profitable and I told him he should say that. So he did in an interview with Polygon the next day.

Nemisis was shown in rough form, like EVE VR was two years previously, and extensive feedback was asked for it from all the attendees that tried it. There were mounted iPad set up by each tech demo with a questionnaire for people to fill in, including Nemesis.

Now, I'm not telling you to not go digging for every little factoid from linkdin, Chinese websites and what not, that's completely up to you guys. But the theories and speculation these tend to generate is precisely why CCP don't like saying anything speculative until, they know with 100% certainty it's going to happen.

As an example and right now I say to you, this not confirmation of anything that is going on, spoken about or discussed but if any of the Dev's saidas an example we could look at possibly having a port to Linex for Dust, there are many, far too many on these forums for whom possibly means DEFINITELY.

And once it's their head its happening then all hell breaks loose when it doesn't.

And it's because of this kind of thing that's makes the Dev's not want to say or promise anything that know they might not happen for any reason.

Is CCP working on other stuff we don't know about? Almost certainly. But so is, Bethesda, EA, Naughty Dog, Sony, Microsoft and so on.

Now, someone will likely twist what I've just said into some convoluted way of confirming Half Life 3 or something. Doesn't mean they'll be right or even close.

And I'll just end on this one point. Since being on the CPM I've heard many things said in speculation but spoken as if they are facts on theses forums, blogs and podcasts. I can tell, hand on heart that about 95% is completed BS. The remaining 5% might stray close to the truth but the only thing someone has hit right on the nail is what Warlords name might be.

Honestly, I don't think anyone here cares or gives a **** about Nemesis, how much funding it's getting, or how much is being pulled from Dust 514 to make it. I think the only thing that the community cares about, by and large, is what is going to happen five years from now and whether or not we're playing a game that is effectively dead in the water.

Yeah, we get it, CCP doesn't like to communicate. Don't get me wrong, we -TOTALLY- get that and being told "we don't want to talk because #speculation" is a broken record at this point. CCP withdrawing completely is nothing new but that doesn't make the community any less frustrated and it doesn't make the silent treatment any less destructive. No-one likes to be on the receiving end of that and we all know what it is like in some form or another, so it is absolutely confounding as to why CCP pulls that card. Even despite the fact that the community has said, time and time again, that we want better communication.

And while we can't make CCP come out and start actually talking (despite frequent and repeated statements to the press that they love talking to us) we can certainly remind them that, yeah, what you're doing? Ain't privy. It sucks. It hurts the loyal fanbase and in the grand scheme of things the only thing it is really going to accomplish is making the sting that much worse.

...the only thing someone has hit right on the nail is what Warlords name might be.

Ok.

Nemesis runs on UE4.

As to it taking away time from x project, slowing y project and just buggering up z project altogether I will say this once again so apologies to those who've heard this before.

At Fanfest, on the first day, Nemisis was shown as part of the VR Lab which included other tech demos from CCP's Atlanta, Newcastle and Shanghai studios. There was also some Oculas stuff being shown as well. This is all part of CCP's R&D and part of their switch to VR as they are massive fans of it.

So of course Project Nemesis was immediately blamed by some that choose to look for drama where there is none for the no show of Legion, Dust on PS4 or PC, etc etc....

So that night I was at the charity meal and chating to Hilmar and Rattati and brought up the latest speculation from the forums as to the displacement of resources that Project Nemesis had caused.

Hilmar started to laugh a bit and just said 'it's just three guys messing with a mobile Dev kit on their lunch break! That's the sum amount of time being spent on it so far. What its cost us, I could fund with the money in my wallet right now.' This was also the same conversation that he told us that Dust was now profitable and I told him he should say that. So he did in an interview with Polygon the next day.

Nemisis was shown in rough form, like EVE VR was two years previously, and extensive feedback was asked for it from all the attendees that tried it. There were mounted iPad set up by each tech demo with a questionnaire for people to fill in, including Nemesis.

Now, I'm not telling you to not go digging for every little factoid from linkdin, Chinese websites and what not, that's completely up to you guys. But the theories and speculation these tend to generate is precisely why CCP don't like saying anything speculative until, they know with 100% certainty it's going to happen.

As an example and right now I say to you, this not confirmation of anything that is going on, spoken about or discussed but if any of the Dev's saidas an example we could look at possibly having a port to Linex for Dust, there are many, far too many on these forums for whom possibly means DEFINITELY.

And once it's their head its happening then all hell breaks loose when it doesn't.

And it's because of this kind of thing that's makes the Dev's not want to say or promise anything that know they might not happen for any reason.

Is CCP working on other stuff we don't know about? Almost certainly. But so is, Bethesda, EA, Naughty Dog, Sony, Microsoft and so on.

Now, someone will likely twist what I've just said into some convoluted way of confirming Half Life 3 or something. Doesn't mean they'll be right or even close.

And I'll just end on this one point. Since being on the CPM I've heard many things said in speculation but spoken as if they are facts on theses forums, blogs and podcasts. I can tell, hand on heart that about 95% is completed BS. The remaining 5% might stray close to the truth but the only thing someone has hit right on the nail is what Warlords name might be.

Actually coding for the PS4 first then porting it to PC is more difficult than the other way round. The Eve Valkyrie Dev's confirmed that at Fanfest this year.

It'll be wise to listen to them as they're actually publicly confirmed as coding for both formats.

Point out please where I've exactly said I support the silent treatment? Putting words into my mouth or making an inference about what I 'mean to say' is precisely the reason they choose not to talk about the very thing we all want them to talk about.

I want them to talk. I want it a lot. So please don't presume to know what I think. I can understand their position without subscribing to it.

But ultimately, it's their decision. The CPM can and do continue to advise that some sort of mission statement is advisable but that is the limit of our role in this matter.

Sorry, got too used to talking to Soraya.
He's not the best at this.

I just think that CCP should see ZERO support and understanding for the silence from any front, players or CPM. They should be constantly reminded that everybody hates it, and they're not doing themselves any favors with it.

Not knowing about the game's future is just killing player counts, and I know that because I know far too many players who left simply because they don't want to invest time in what is a dying project with no future.

So from my point of view I'd have to say it's the veterans that are sticking around rather than leaving.

Unlike all of the bittervets here, especially Kevall, i choose to look on the bright side: if nothing else, Aeon's admirable but borderline creepy(don't ever change, bro) research tells us that CCP knows what UR4 is and has a copy.

Things could be worse

CCP talk to the community all the time. The discussion archive is full of closed down threads about elements of PC, weapon balance, progression and many more subjects have been raised and discussed with you all.

We have a roadmap, trello boards and a senior producer that stalks these forums near 24/7.

To say CCP are uncommunitive is a fallacy.

However on this one issue they keep their cards close to their chest, the reason being that the one time they did talk about the future of Dust it was an unmitigated disaster. One of their own making of course and one they very much want to avoid doing again.

That disaster is the reason why this years Fanfest was so low key this year with nothing shown or announced that CCP weren't confident would be out by the next Fanfest. Hilmar himself said that Legion should never have been announced in such an early state of development. Too much expectation placed upon a project not nearly ready enough to shoulder the weight of that expectation.

Nemesis is different because it was a tech demo that they wanted feedback on with no plans to release it unless the feedback from those trying it was positive. The feedback was more constructive than overwhelming positive, which they were grateful for. What's its current status? Not a clue. It's not dust related so the CPM aren't kept in the loop on that. Personally I think it deserves more resources because I think it could be a successful product but that's not my call.

So on this one issue, a massively important one to the community to be sure but still, the only one, CCP will not say anything until it's a locked on certainty. They disappointed the community once before and have no wish or desire to needlessly do so again.

And that is really all there is to it. It's frustrating I know, believe me I know. But to say based on this one, like I said important instance that CCP are uncommunitive is just wrong.

CCP knows there is no support from the community or the CPM for the silent treatment. They are in no doubt of that believe me. But right now I think they'd rather soak up community frustrations with no announcement till there's something to announce than deal with disappointing the community with an announcement that they later can't keep.

Haven't they done both though? At this point, I don't see how talking about something that was already announced can cause damage even if it later turns out "oops, sorry."

1. Remaining Silent to not cause disappointment causes frustration. I am sure they are aware of this.
2. Breaking Silence can cause disappointment if they later announce "oops, sorry." They are afraid of this.

'Legion' was already announced and now there being 'nothing to show from it' (it isn't out yet, we don't see behind the scenes) this causes massive disappointment. One for the people who want to play DUST/Legion but can't (EVE bros, people whose PS3 died, etc) and the other for people who are waiting for the axe to fall on a game they really like (basically all of us).

The frustration from not speaking comes out naturally, so I don't need to go into it.

Basically, the damage of disappointment is already done. If you start talking about Legion, even "it is really far off, we are looking into it. Honestly, we don't even know how or if we want to continue" or something like that isn't going to cause anymore disappointment because the people who are going to be disappointed are already super disappointed. If they at least speak, and speak carefully, they can potentially cause less frustration while having no potential disappointment.

I mean this quite honestly; "At this point, with the people playing DUST being almost entirely 'bitter vets' that are disappointed and/or frustrated, what is the harm about trying to alleviate that frustration at the risk of disappointing the already super disappointed?"

^ that is a source of frustration itself: "alright, so it was too early to say anything. Well, how about now? *several months later* Now? *one year later* Now?"

Point out please where I've exactly said I support the silent treatment? Putting words into my mouth or making an inference about what I 'mean to say' is precisely the reason they choose not to talk about the very thing we all want them to talk about.

I want them to talk. I want it a lot. So please don't presume to know what I think. I can understand their position without subscribing to it.

But ultimately, it's their decision. The CPM can and do continue to advise that some sort of mission statement is advisable but that is the limit of our role in this matter.

The amusing thing about this thread when you retread it is that it's clear that the only answer on this matter that you're going to find acceptable is CCP releasing a press statement saying that Dust is coming to PS4 and PC, it will be released on x date.

The irony is of course that CCP are not going to make that statement until they are able to do so. If they haven't given that statement, then what does say to you?

The second most acceptable answer they could give give you'd find acceptable, 'guys we're working on a PC version', is so obviously fraught with dangers I feel I shouldn't have to list them but I think I'm going to have to.

Community 'so when is it out?'
CCP 'when it's ready'
Community 'when will that be?'
CCP 'as we've already said, when it's ready'
Community 'when can you tell us more about it?'
CCP 'again, when we're ready'

See the pattern? More frustration.

The other thing that happens all the time in games development is that games often don't make it past internal reviews. Sad but true.

Again, the developer isn't going to say anything till they know all options have been exhausted. At that point the announment is made.

CCP has made neither announcement.

But what have CCP announced? CPM2 of course. Ask yourself why would they do that when it's likely that production of the PS3 will stop during their term. Why on earth would CCP still need a CPM for a game on a date format?

Of course, even this isn't going to satisfy you. And as I've explained several times in this thread, CCP are not in the position to give you the answer that will satisfy you. If/when they are, they'll be the first tell you.

And even if you get the answer you want, you'll still argue about AV balance.

Smooth. I'm somewhat at ease now over all this.

But what have CCP announced? CPM2 of course. Ask yourself why would they do that when it's likely that production of the PS3 will stop during their term. Why on earth would CCP still need a CPM for a game on a date format?

I read the announcement of CPM2 and thought of 2 possible scenarios:
1. CCP has gone bat sh*t crazy.
2. Dust 514 will live on after the PS3s Death. Its just going to take time.

I'm betting my money on 2. Mainly because Rattati and his team is working on polishing the ingame systems for now, and for the future (development of these features is not without a cost, and a cost should logically have a long term ROI).