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Kevall Longstride
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Posted - 2015.06.27 00:27:00 -
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Ok.
Nemesis runs on UE4.
As to it taking away time from x project, slowing y project and just buggering up z project altogether I will say this once again so apologies to those who've heard this before.
At Fanfest, on the first day, Nemisis was shown as part of the VR Lab which included other tech demos from CCP's Atlanta, Newcastle and Shanghai studios. There was also some Oculas stuff being shown as well. This is all part of CCP's R&D and part of their switch to VR as they are massive fans of it.
So of course Project Nemesis was immediately blamed by some that choose to look for drama where there is none for the no show of Legion, Dust on PS4 or PC, etc etc....
So that night I was at the charity meal and chating to Hilmar and Rattati and brought up the latest speculation from the forums as to the displacement of resources that Project Nemesis had caused.
Hilmar started to laugh a bit and just said 'it's just three guys messing with a mobile Dev kit on their lunch break! That's the sum amount of time being spent on it so far. What its cost us, I could fund with the money in my wallet right now.' This was also the same conversation that he told us that Dust was now profitable and I told him he should say that. So he did in an interview with Polygon the next day.
Nemisis was shown in rough form, like EVE VR was two years previously, and extensive feedback was asked for it from all the attendees that tried it. There were mounted iPad set up by each tech demo with a questionnaire for people to fill in, including Nemesis.
Now, I'm not telling you to not go digging for every little factoid from linkdin, Chinese websites and what not, that's completely up to you guys. But the theories and speculation these tend to generate is precisely why CCP don't like saying anything speculative until, they know with 100% certainty it's going to happen.
As an example and right now I say to you, this not confirmation of anything that is going on, spoken about or discussed but if any of the Dev's saidas an example we could look at possibly having a port to Linex for Dust, there are many, far too many on these forums for whom possibly means DEFINITELY.
And once it's their head its happening then all hell breaks loose when it doesn't.
And it's because of this kind of thing that's makes the Dev's not want to say or promise anything that know they might not happen for any reason.
Is CCP working on other stuff we don't know about? Almost certainly. But so is, Bethesda, EA, Naughty Dog, Sony, Microsoft and so on.
Now, someone will likely twist what I've just said into some convoluted way of confirming Half Life 3 or something. Doesn't mean they'll be right or even close.
And I'll just end on this one point. Since being on the CPM I've heard many things said in speculation but spoken as if they are facts on theses forums, blogs and podcasts. I can tell, hand on heart that about 95% is completed BS. The remaining 5% might stray close to the truth but the only thing someone has hit right on the nail is what Warlords name might be.
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Kevall Longstride
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Posted - 2015.06.27 07:00:00 -
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CCP talk to the community all the time. The discussion archive is full of closed down threads about elements of PC, weapon balance, progression and many more subjects have been raised and discussed with you all.
We have a roadmap, trello boards and a senior producer that stalks these forums near 24/7.
To say CCP are uncommunitive is a fallacy.
However on this one issue they keep their cards close to their chest, the reason being that the one time they did talk about the future of Dust it was an unmitigated disaster. One of their own making of course and one they very much want to avoid doing again.
That disaster is the reason why this years Fanfest was so low key this year with nothing shown or announced that CCP weren't confident would be out by the next Fanfest. Hilmar himself said that Legion should never have been announced in such an early state of development. Too much expectation placed upon a project not nearly ready enough to shoulder the weight of that expectation.
Nemesis is different because it was a tech demo that they wanted feedback on with no plans to release it unless the feedback from those trying it was positive. The feedback was more constructive than overwhelming positive, which they were grateful for. What's its current status? Not a clue. It's not dust related so the CPM aren't kept in the loop on that. Personally I think it deserves more resources because I think it could be a successful product but that's not my call.
So on this one issue, a massively important one to the community to be sure but still, the only one, CCP will not say anything until it's a locked on certainty. They disappointed the community once before and have no wish or desire to needlessly do so again.
And that is really all there is to it. It's frustrating I know, believe me I know. But to say based on this one, like I said important instance that CCP are uncommunitive is just wrong.
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Kevall Longstride
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Posted - 2015.06.27 10:38:00 -
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Actually coding for the PS4 first then porting it to PC is more difficult than the other way round. The Eve Valkyrie Dev's confirmed that at Fanfest this year.
It'll be wise to listen to them as they're actually publicly confirmed as coding for both formats.
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Kevall Longstride
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Posted - 2015.06.27 16:39:00 -
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Point out please where I've exactly said I support the silent treatment? Putting words into my mouth or making an inference about what I 'mean to say' is precisely the reason they choose not to talk about the very thing we all want them to talk about.
I want them to talk. I want it a lot. So please don't presume to know what I think. I can understand their position without subscribing to it.
But ultimately, it's their decision. The CPM can and do continue to advise that some sort of mission statement is advisable but that is the limit of our role in this matter.
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Kevall Longstride
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Posted - 2015.06.27 18:46:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:Point out please where I've exactly said I support the silent treatment? Putting words into my mouth or making an inference about what I 'mean to say' is precisely the reason they choose not to talk about the very thing we all want them to talk about.
I want them to talk. I want it a lot. So please don't presume to know what I think. I can understand their position without subscribing to it.
But ultimately, it's their decision. The CPM can and do continue to advise that some sort of mission statement is advisable but that is the limit of our role in this matter.
Sorry, got too used to talking to Soraya. He's not the best at this. I just think that CCP should see ZERO support and understanding for the silence from any front, players or CPM. They should be constantly reminded that everybody hates it, and they're not doing themselves any favors with it. Not knowing about the game's future is just killing player counts, and I know that because I know far too many players who left simply because they don't want to invest time in what is a dying project with no future.
It's a good job you and Ripley said something in reply to me here on thread. I was in the middle of writing an epic rebuttal to the pair of you in the Biomassed Skype channel, that frankly would've had you both running home to mummy.
Please don't say I'm saying something in the future when its clear on a simple reread that I haven't.
CCP knows there is no support from the community or the CPM for the silent treatment. They are in no doubt of that believe me. But right now I think they'd rather soak up community frustrations with no announcement till there's something to announce than deal with disappointing the community with an announcement that they later can't keep.
The CPM make occasional reference to the lack of info but both sides know the others position well enough on this one issue so theres no point wasting energy and time discussing it when theres plenty of other things we can be talking about that will effect the game in the immediate future.
As to the mention of the player count going down, not going to deny it. But looking at Eve-offline.net doesn't tell the full story as Chribba would be the first to tell you.
It's not as a result of veterans and older players leaving the game, though some do (but often log on a couple of hours each month) its more a lack of newer players trying the game as the sales of PS3 start to diminish. The uptake of the PS4 has surprised the whole industry, not least of all Sony who were kinda expecting the PS3 to have the same longevity that the PS2 had when the newer console came out.
I've just done my first cull of inactive players of D-UNI for nearly 9 months, a total of 260 members were removed leaving some 330ish. Nearly half of those still in the Uni at this point have been in it non stop for over a year and half of that number for two years or more. Over the nine months of not having a cull by the way some 500 members passed through the Uni going to other corps.
So from my point of view I'd have to say it's the veterans that are sticking around rather than leaving.
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
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Posted - 2015.06.27 22:30:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Unlike all of the bittervets here, especially Kevall, i choose to look on the bright side: if nothing else, Aeon's admirable but borderline creepy(don't ever change, bro) research tells us that CCP knows what UR4 is and has a copy. Things could be worse 
When the hell did I become a bittervet??
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Kevall Longstride
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Posted - 2015.06.28 11:40:00 -
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The amusing thing about this thread when you retread it is that it's clear that the only answer on this matter that you're going to find acceptable is CCP releasing a press statement saying that Dust is coming to PS4 and PC, it will be released on x date.
The irony is of course that CCP are not going to make that statement until they are able to do so. If they haven't given that statement, then what does say to you?
The second most acceptable answer they could give give you'd find acceptable, 'guys we're working on a PC version', is so obviously fraught with dangers I feel I shouldn't have to list them but I think I'm going to have to.
Community 'so when is it out?'
CCP 'when it's ready'
Community 'when will that be?'
CCP 'as we've already said, when it's ready'
Community 'when can you tell us more about it?'
CCP 'again, when we're ready'
See the pattern? More frustration.
The other thing that happens all the time in games development is that games often don't make it past internal reviews. Sad but true.
Again, the developer isn't going to say anything till they know all options have been exhausted. At that point the announment is made.
CCP has made neither announcement.
But what have CCP announced? CPM2 of course. Ask yourself why would they do that when it's likely that production of the PS3 will stop during their term. Why on earth would CCP still need a CPM for a game on a date format?
Of course, even this isn't going to satisfy you. And as I've explained several times in this thread, CCP are not in the position to give you the answer that will satisfy you. If/when they are, they'll be the first tell you.
And even if you get the answer you want, you'll still argue about AV balance. 
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