Unlike all of the bittervets here, especially Kevall, i choose to look on the bright side: if nothing else, Aeon's admirable but borderline creepy(don't ever change, bro) research tells us that CCP knows what UR4 is and has a copy.

Things could be worse

CCP talk to the community all the time. The discussion archive is full of closed down threads about elements of PC, weapon balance, progression and many more subjects have been raised and discussed with you all.

We have a roadmap, trello boards and a senior producer that stalks these forums near 24/7.

To say CCP are uncommunitive is a fallacy.

However on this one issue they keep their cards close to their chest, the reason being that the one time they did talk about the future of Dust it was an unmitigated disaster. One of their own making of course and one they very much want to avoid doing again.

That disaster is the reason why this years Fanfest was so low key this year with nothing shown or announced that CCP weren't confident would be out by the next Fanfest. Hilmar himself said that Legion should never have been announced in such an early state of development. Too much expectation placed upon a project not nearly ready enough to shoulder the weight of that expectation.

Nemesis is different because it was a tech demo that they wanted feedback on with no plans to release it unless the feedback from those trying it was positive. The feedback was more constructive than overwhelming positive, which they were grateful for. What's its current status? Not a clue. It's not dust related so the CPM aren't kept in the loop on that. Personally I think it deserves more resources because I think it could be a successful product but that's not my call.

So on this one issue, a massively important one to the community to be sure but still, the only one, CCP will not say anything until it's a locked on certainty. They disappointed the community once before and have no wish or desire to needlessly do so again.

And that is really all there is to it. It's frustrating I know, believe me I know. But to say based on this one, like I said important instance that CCP are uncommunitive is just wrong.

CCP knows there is no support from the community or the CPM for the silent treatment. They are in no doubt of that believe me. But right now I think they'd rather soak up community frustrations with no announcement till there's something to announce than deal with disappointing the community with an announcement that they later can't keep.

Haven't they done both though? At this point, I don't see how talking about something that was already announced can cause damage even if it later turns out "oops, sorry."

1. Remaining Silent to not cause disappointment causes frustration. I am sure they are aware of this.
2. Breaking Silence can cause disappointment if they later announce "oops, sorry." They are afraid of this.

'Legion' was already announced and now there being 'nothing to show from it' (it isn't out yet, we don't see behind the scenes) this causes massive disappointment. One for the people who want to play DUST/Legion but can't (EVE bros, people whose PS3 died, etc) and the other for people who are waiting for the axe to fall on a game they really like (basically all of us).

The frustration from not speaking comes out naturally, so I don't need to go into it.

Basically, the damage of disappointment is already done. If you start talking about Legion, even "it is really far off, we are looking into it. Honestly, we don't even know how or if we want to continue" or something like that isn't going to cause anymore disappointment because the people who are going to be disappointed are already super disappointed. If they at least speak, and speak carefully, they can potentially cause less frustration while having no potential disappointment.

I mean this quite honestly; "At this point, with the people playing DUST being almost entirely 'bitter vets' that are disappointed and/or frustrated, what is the harm about trying to alleviate that frustration at the risk of disappointing the already super disappointed?"

^ that is a source of frustration itself: "alright, so it was too early to say anything. Well, how about now? *several months later* Now? *one year later* Now?"

Point out please where I've exactly said I support the silent treatment? Putting words into my mouth or making an inference about what I 'mean to say' is precisely the reason they choose not to talk about the very thing we all want them to talk about.

I want them to talk. I want it a lot. So please don't presume to know what I think. I can understand their position without subscribing to it.

But ultimately, it's their decision. The CPM can and do continue to advise that some sort of mission statement is advisable but that is the limit of our role in this matter.

The amusing thing about this thread when you retread it is that it's clear that the only answer on this matter that you're going to find acceptable is CCP releasing a press statement saying that Dust is coming to PS4 and PC, it will be released on x date.

The irony is of course that CCP are not going to make that statement until they are able to do so. If they haven't given that statement, then what does say to you?

The second most acceptable answer they could give give you'd find acceptable, 'guys we're working on a PC version', is so obviously fraught with dangers I feel I shouldn't have to list them but I think I'm going to have to.

Community 'so when is it out?'
CCP 'when it's ready'
Community 'when will that be?'
CCP 'as we've already said, when it's ready'
Community 'when can you tell us more about it?'
CCP 'again, when we're ready'

See the pattern? More frustration.

The other thing that happens all the time in games development is that games often don't make it past internal reviews. Sad but true.

Again, the developer isn't going to say anything till they know all options have been exhausted. At that point the announment is made.

CCP has made neither announcement.

But what have CCP announced? CPM2 of course. Ask yourself why would they do that when it's likely that production of the PS3 will stop during their term. Why on earth would CCP still need a CPM for a game on a date format?

Of course, even this isn't going to satisfy you. And as I've explained several times in this thread, CCP are not in the position to give you the answer that will satisfy you. If/when they are, they'll be the first tell you.

And even if you get the answer you want, you'll still argue about AV balance.

Smooth. I'm somewhat at ease now over all this.

But what have CCP announced? CPM2 of course. Ask yourself why would they do that when it's likely that production of the PS3 will stop during their term. Why on earth would CCP still need a CPM for a game on a date format?

I read the announcement of CPM2 and thought of 2 possible scenarios:
1. CCP has gone bat sh*t crazy.
2. Dust 514 will live on after the PS3s Death. Its just going to take time.

I'm betting my money on 2. Mainly because Rattati and his team is working on polishing the ingame systems for now, and for the future (development of these features is not without a cost, and a cost should logically have a long term ROI).