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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.24 11:20:00 - [1] - Quote Since we seem to have a nightmare epidemic of people being intimidated by the spectre of actual competition in their never-ending drive to boost their KD rating, I propose the following deterrent measure. First time you leave battle in a day: no penalty. this is to account for the fact that some people DC and some squads legit lose a member every so often. Second offense: -30 kills from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Third Offense: -50 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Fourth offense: -70 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. and so on and so forth. Fight like the rest of us. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.06.24 11:32:00 - [2] - Quote I'd be fine with this. CPM 2 Candidate CEO of DUST University
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.24 11:39:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Since we seem to have a nightmare epidemic of people being intimidated by the spectre of actual competition in their never-ending drive to boost their KD rating, I propose the following deterrent measure. First time you leave battle in a day: no penalty. this is to account for the fact that some people DC and some squads legit lose a member every so often. Second offense: -30 kills from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Third Offense: -50 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Fourth offense: -70 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. and so on and so forth. Fight like the rest of us. Still don't see why this punishment is necessary. Simply then stay in battle and not do anything. Moreover I don't really like arbitrary punishments like this, not really in the spirit of New Eden as I see it. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.24 11:48:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Since we seem to have a nightmare epidemic of people being intimidated by the spectre of actual competition in their never-ending drive to boost their KD rating, I propose the following deterrent measure. First time you leave battle in a day: no penalty. this is to account for the fact that some people DC and some squads legit lose a member every so often. Second offense: -30 kills from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Third Offense: -50 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Fourth offense: -70 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. and so on and so forth. Fight like the rest of us. Still don't see why this punishment is necessary. Simply then stay in battle and not do anything. Moreover I don't really like arbitrary punishments like this, not really in the spirit of New Eden as I see it. The game is becoming ******** because people won't stay and fight at all. Health of the game FIRST, New Eden is SECOND. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.24 12:07:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: True Adamance wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Since we seem to have a nightmare epidemic of people being intimidated by the spectre of actual competition in their never-ending drive to boost their KD rating, I propose the following deterrent measure. First time you leave battle in a day: no penalty. this is to account for the fact that some people DC and some squads legit lose a member every so often. Second offense: -30 kills from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Third Offense: -50 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Fourth offense: -70 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. and so on and so forth. Fight like the rest of us. Still don't see why this punishment is necessary. Simply then stay in battle and not do anything. Moreover I don't really like arbitrary punishments like this, not really in the spirit of New Eden as I see it. The game is becoming ******** because people won't stay and fight at all. Health of the game FIRST, New Eden is SECOND. As I said then all you are encouraging is players staying in battle and doing nothing. Not really a solution just that mild chance of a penalty hanging harmlessly over your head. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.24 12:28:00 - [6] - Quote New Eden doesn't mean "perfectly mechanically identical to EVE." Changing mechanics and conventions to make sense in infantry operations is not "Pushing new eden to the back" It's not using naval warfare as a baseline example how infantry and ground vehicles should operate. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 563	Posted - 2015.06.24 13:09:00 - [7] - Quote this wouldn't be much of an issue if people namely the bigger corps in dust DIDINT RUN PROTO GEAR EVERY MATCH AND USE PC TATICS AND PERMA REDLINE EVERY ***** PUBLIC MATCH....... then leaving wouldn't be an issue at all... also cant forget q-sync's pub matches should have no place for high end competitive fits or pc tatics. its this issue that turns new players off of dust and lowers the player base. Elite Gallenten Soldier**
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood RUST415 777	Posted - 2015.06.24 13:58:00 - [8] - Quote Stop telling other people how to play. We're mercs, not soldiers. All you're going to do is create a bunch of rubber-band AFKers, and then you're gonna be asking for friendly fire or something to deal with THAT problem. Either put all the qutting-averse players on their own server so those 30 people can battle each other ad infinitum, or make it so we can see the details of contracts (enemy names/corps, map, etc) before accepting them.
Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 285	Posted - 2015.06.24 15:01:00 - [9] - Quote Hell no. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
S3dINS Destiva Casket Stuffers 80	Posted - 2015.06.24 22:32:00 - [10] - Quote Played a few games yesterday morning and one name kept on leaving battles over and over. Thing is it was always right at the beginning. Why would anyone queue up for 5 -10 mins just to leave before anything starts? "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" This looks nothing like my signature

Clobnarr Art.of.Death 33	Posted - 2015.06.24 22:45:00 - [11] - Quote I'm not sure if this has been suggested yet or not, but what about removing the leave battle function all together. Then either shorten the red line or possibly add a red line timer (solving the afk'ers). Yes it might be terrible in a stomp. Yes it might be inconvenient when someone dc's (we've all been there)pick em back up after the match. But you want to leave? Then you have to quit the game,and restart. That's going to get old real quick. Sure some people will still do it, but I think it would happen a lot less. Idk maybe I'm a dreamer
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.24 22:57:00 - [12] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: New Eden doesn't mean "perfectly mechanically identical to EVE." Changing mechanics and conventions to make sense in infantry operations is not "Pushing new eden to the back" It's not using naval warfare as a baseline example how infantry and ground vehicles should operate. Of course it doesn't but the fair understand that both EVE and Dust exist in the same universe is fundamentally lacking in Dust. You still haven't addressed the elephant in the room. If a player doesn't want to fight in a match they simply won't and all you have succeeded in doing is placing an arbitrary at best limitation that barely makes sense at best forcing players to stay in the match but not to have to take part. E.G- I walk into a Public Contract against Negative Feedback with me representing Federal Defence Union. I neither care for the faction nor am willing to throw away the ISK on the match. I can't leave or get hit with negative KDR, not something I really care about but at the same time not something I'd be willing to take as a punishment, so all you have me doing is sitting in the back of the map helping no one. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 349	Posted - 2015.06.25 01:02:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Since we seem to have a nightmare epidemic of people being intimidated by the spectre of actual competition in their never-ending drive to boost their KD rating, I propose the following deterrent measure. First time you leave battle in a day: no penalty. this is to account for the fact that some people DC and some squads legit lose a member every so often. Second offense: -30 kills from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Third Offense: -50 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Fourth offense: -70 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. and so on and so forth. Fight like the rest of us. Still don't see why this punishment is necessary. Simply then stay in battle and not do anything. Moreover I don't really like arbitrary punishments like this, not really in the spirit of New Eden as I see it. the spirit of new eden is to kill anyone that enter null sec and most of the time even those in low and high sec, so lets just terminate their clones so they have to start all over or they lose sp unless they buy insurance for their clones fair enough? that's how it works is it not? https://dust514.com/recruit/kWK05m/
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.25 01:29:00 - [14] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: True Adamance wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Since we seem to have a nightmare epidemic of people being intimidated by the spectre of actual competition in their never-ending drive to boost their KD rating, I propose the following deterrent measure. First time you leave battle in a day: no penalty. this is to account for the fact that some people DC and some squads legit lose a member every so often. Second offense: -30 kills from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Third Offense: -50 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Fourth offense: -70 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. and so on and so forth. Fight like the rest of us. Still don't see why this punishment is necessary. Simply then stay in battle and not do anything. Moreover I don't really like arbitrary punishments like this, not really in the spirit of New Eden as I see it. the spirit of new eden is to kill anyone that enter null sec and most of the time even those in low and high sec, so lets just terminate their clones so they have to start all over or they lose sp unless they buy insurance for their clones fair enough? that's how it works is it not? Sure but why the **** would an NPC corporation in EVE care about you KDR? Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.06.25 01:56:00 - [15] - Quote At the end of the day, the redline fucks us all.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 6	Posted - 2015.06.25 02:08:00 - [16] - Quote I agree with True Adamance on this. You condition people to not give 2 fucks about KDR (most people are already there) and they'll still leave battle creating lopsided matches as people mess with the matching making system by this behavior. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.25 02:59:00 - [17] - Quote The problem is, and has always been, a lack of PVE content. Newbs need a place to go to escape the pubstomping. They NEED it. No one will stay if they're fighting NF or NS every match. This game is dying because we're basically throwing new players into nullsec PVP with not even a "good luck sucker" This is nothing but a weak and ineffective band-aid over the gaping wound that's bleeding players away from this game. PVE content, a much longer academy, something to give players a place where they aren't going against PC corps on their first day. We're still hemorrhaging players because of this. Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.06.25 03:06:00 - [18] - Quote I'm going to be blunt. 1.) This is a silly mechanic. Subtracting kills doesn't make any sense. Not only that, not everyone even cares about KD. I sure don't. 2.) People leave because of the severe imbalance in terms of competitiveness. I don't even blame people for quitting against stomp squads. How about we work on bringing about balance rather than double punishing people for choosing not to get stomped. Official CPM Platform
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.25 07:44:00 - [19] - Quote Stomp Squads are not God Squads. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 829	Posted - 2015.06.25 12:43:00 - [20] - Quote IDK but I get the feeling this would be almost a total non issue if MM weren't complete utter shite, maybe we could throw in some code so it'll figure out basic addition, subtraction and number progression. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.

thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 472	Posted - 2015.06.25 14:33:00 - [21] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Stomp Squads are not God Squads. In my experience most pub squads will fold if you keep coming at them and make them bleed a bit. Sometimes it takes a few clones to get position and coordinate. However most players seem to fold before the match even starts because they identified a squad on the other side. Leaving battle wouldn't be nearly as damaging if people were refilling the matches. To me the best solution would be reinforcement squads. Squads that willingly volunteer to go into matches that have already started to reinforce the team. They'd be offered increased rewards on the condition of winning.
Commander Noctus Gallente Loyalist 238	Posted - 2015.06.25 16:12:00 - [22] - Quote Sure, implement that. I'll let you in on a secret though: not too many people will care. Only matches I leave are the ones that start out 14v14, become 11v14, and end at 6v14. And even then I'm leaving to save isk, not my KDR. Hopefully I get a match I'll have fun in. Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.
korrah silain True Illuminate 66	Posted - 2015.06.25 16:53:00 - [23] - Quote Nope. Why should I be forced to play a match that has both become one sided and unfun? Just so you can have more fodder? Nah I'd rather not play. A sentiment I'm sure many share, so would you prefer a shrinking player base, or an occasional annoyance? I like thors' idea.
tffvbhb Team Bukkakke 3	Posted - 2015.06.25 17:35:00 - [24] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Since we seem to have a nightmare epidemic of people being intimidated by the spectre of actual competition in their never-ending drive to boost their KD rating, I propose the following deterrent measure. First time you leave battle in a day: no penalty. this is to account for the fact that some people DC and some squads legit lose a member every so often. Second offense: -30 kills from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Third Offense: -50 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. Fourth offense: -70 from your weekly/monthly/lifetime KDR ratings. and so on and so forth. Fight like the rest of us. Going to be getting this from staying in battle anyway
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1	Posted - 2015.06.25 19:39:00 - [25] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: The game is becoming ******** because people won't stay and fight at all. Health of the game FIRST, New Eden is SECOND. Yes, because negative reinforcement is always a better solution to behavioral problems. What world do you live on again? In the past, before matchmaking was implemented, people left quite often in a match, yet the match would replace that one man down fairly quickly. Now though, you are lucky to get a single replacement. Maybe start there, and quit blaming it on KD padders. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.06.25 22:12:00 - [26] - Quote I have to agree with True on this one. To me, the better alternative is to encourage players to stay and fight rather than punish them for leaving. I would be ok with punishment if there was no other alternative, but there is an alternative in this case. Jadek's idea utilizing warbarge upgrade slots for this situation seems like a good way to encourage players to stick around and actually help out. Another thing to add is to boost their WP/ISK earnings of any player that comes in late probably when an MCC is down to armor and no shields. This would encourage players to give a good final push before they lose or maybe boost their morale when they turn the tide of the match around at the last moment. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.25 23:13:00 - [27] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The game is becoming ******** because people won't stay and fight at all. Health of the game FIRST, New Eden is SECOND. Yes, because negative reinforcement is always a better solution to behavioral problems. What world do you live on again? In the past, before matchmaking was implemented, people left quite often in a match, yet the match would replace that one man down fairly quickly. Now though, you are lucky to get a single replacement. Maybe start there, and quit blaming it on KD padders. the replacements were disabled after a set period because the forumgoers were more or less unanimous that we didn't want to be dropped into matches in progress after a certain point. we asked for that aspect of matchmaking and rattati obliged. That's our own fault. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
korrah silain True Illuminate 69	Posted - 2015.06.26 00:02:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The game is becoming ******** because people won't stay and fight at all. Health of the game FIRST, New Eden is SECOND. Yes, because negative reinforcement is always a better solution to behavioral problems. What world do you live on again? In the past, before matchmaking was implemented, people left quite often in a match, yet the match would replace that one man down fairly quickly. Now though, you are lucky to get a single replacement. Maybe start there, and quit blaming it on KD padders. the replacements were disabled after a set period because the forumgoers were more or less unanimous that we didn't want to be dropped into matches in progress after a certain point. we asked for that aspect of matchmaking and rattati obliged. That's our own fault. And yet I'm still dropped into matches that are half or greater over... Anyway snark aside perhaps a simple compromise will work, instead of "no dropping into matches that are half over" we should have an option on our battle finder to include or exclude matches that are half over, with an incentive for acting as reinforcement(more isk/so/salvage/whatever)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.26 00:38:00 - [29] - Quote I could ABSOLUTELY get behind that option, and give people the option of dropping in as emergency reinforcements. Since I'm a greedy, mercenary sh*t i'd have the option turned on all day long. My problem with getting dropped in late is entirely the fact that you really have no chance at a good SP reward or a good ISK/salvage reward I just don't give a rat's ass. I'll shoot at Negative Feedback, Outer Haven and all of them all day long. I don't care who's on the field. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy No Context 1	Posted - 2015.06.26 02:02:00 - [30] - Quote So what happens in bad internet zones? Or if you HAVE to leave the battle for IRL stuff or Ingame. I don't like this idea, people don't leave because that don't want to fight. They leave because It will be a bad fight. Does leaving a bad fight and making it a bad fight really do anything? Its just less cannon fodder for the other team. Galassault Galogi Galsent Galmando Galscout `Open Beta Vet - 46.5 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`

TheEnd762 SVER True Blood RUST415 780	Posted - 2015.06.26 03:04:00 - [31] - Quote Give players dropped into one-sided, half-over matches a 20% damage increase, and 20% damage resistance.
korrah silain True Illuminate 70	Posted - 2015.06.26 03:31:00 - [32] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Give players dropped into one-sided, half-over matches a 20% damage increase, and 20% damage resistance. I feel this would be a terrible idea...and yet I am intrigued.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.06.26 08:53:00 - [33] - Quote With the changes to the squad sizes in pubs, Squad stomping should be reduced. It's also much easier for the team balancing logic to fill 2 sides comprising of 4 groups of 4 rather than 2 groups of 6 and a few randoms. Also, not everyone has a massive friends list and can easily fill a squad of 6. So currently squad creation isn't very high, further compounding the problem and contributing to the OP'ness of a 6 man squad running riot in Pub matches. Hopefully we'll see a rise in squad creation and participation of such squads in Pubs. For persistent quitters, the problem with punitive action against them (as much as I want their precious epeen KDR to get knackered for quitting all the time) is that is can penalise those that have legitimate reason to leave a game. So its logical to assume that if they have a legitimate reason to leave a game, it's unlikely they'll be trying to get into another one straight away. One idea that I've heard mentioned and I've asked the team to look at the technical feasibility of doing this, is to have anyone leaving a battle be flagged for a set time, say 10 minutes, so while flagged they will be put back into the same match they've left. They are contractually obliged to fight after all. If that match gets filled while they are being unsporting then they have to wait in the queue till the flag timer is completed. They'll be free to join another queue, say FW, but for the queue they just quit from, its fight the battle you were contracted for or wait till that battle is resolved. Now my way of thinking is that this would be a very New Eden way of addressing the problem. Your choices will have consequences. CPM 2 Candidate CEO of DUST University
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.26 09:31:00 - [34] - Quote That's actually the best way kevall. I wanted to see how many people would make outraged responses about how they should be able to back out of fights they feel are stacked against them. I was not disappointed. And yet I was disappointed all the same. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood RUST415 780	Posted - 2015.06.26 11:48:00 - [35] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: They are contractually obliged to fight after all. If that match gets filled while they are being unsporting then they have to wait in the queue till the flag timer is completed. They'll be free to join another queue, say FW, but for the queue they just quit from, its fight the battle you were contracted for or wait till that battle is resolved. Now my way of thinking is that this would be a very New Eden way of addressing the problem. Your choices will have consequences. I've never once quit a match where I agreed to the terms beforehand. Then again, I've never PLAYED such a match either. You're expecting people to honor blind gambles, not contracts.
Regnier Feros Pielords 413	Posted - 2015.06.26 12:13:00 - [36] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: The problem is, and has always been, a lack of PVE content. Newbs need a place to go to escape the pubstomping. They NEED it. No one will stay if they're fighting NF or NS every match. This game is dying because we're basically throwing new players into nullsec PVP with not even a "good luck sucker" This is nothing but a weak and ineffective band-aid over the gaping wound that's bleeding players away from this game. PVE content, a much longer academy, something to give players a place where they aren't going against PC corps on their first day. We're still hemorrhaging players because of this. Dust 514: Survival mode ZariaOwnsWhips
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.26 12:36:00 - [37] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: With the changes to the squad sizes in pubs, Squad stomping should be reduced. It's also much easier for the team balancing logic to fill 2 sides comprising of 4 groups of 4 rather than 2 groups of 6 and a few randoms. Also, not everyone has a massive friends list and can easily fill a squad of 6. So currently squad creation isn't very high, further compounding the problem and contributing to the OP'ness of a 6 man squad running riot in Pub matches. Hopefully we'll see a rise in squad creation and participation of such squads in Pubs. For persistent quitters, the problem with punitive action against them (as much as I want their precious epeen KDR to get knackered for quitting all the time) is that is can penalise those that have legitimate reason to leave a game. So its logical to assume that if they have a legitimate reason to leave a game, it's unlikely they'll be trying to get into another one straight away. One idea that I've heard mentioned and I've asked the team to look at the technical feasibility of doing this, is to have anyone leaving a battle be flagged for a set time, say 10 minutes, so while flagged they will be put back into the same match they've left. They are contractually obliged to fight after all. If that match gets filled while they are being unsporting then they have to wait in the queue till the flag timer is completed. They'll be free to join another queue, say FW, but for the queue they just quit from, its fight the battle you were contracted for or wait till that battle is resolved. Now my way of thinking is that this would be a very New Eden way of addressing the problem. Your choices will have consequences. Sounds like a much better solution to me. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.06.26 14:54:00 - [38] - Quote I like Thor's idea of being able to hunt down StompSquads far better. The reason being is that everyone loves tough fights, at least many corps do. Back up a few months, and I could specifically regale you all about how my CEO yelled at us to make a Squad so we could hunt down Nyain San in Ambush. It took us eight matches, but then we qued and played then for another ten. Give us that option to hunt them down, and some bonuses as well. Perhaps make it where a squad winning more than ten matches gets flagged, and other squads can find them. Make it so that if they are also killed in match by single players, a skill and isk bonus is created. There, you now have an unofficial bounty system Also, to the people who were complaining about corps using PC tactics to win in pubs....what other tactics are there to win? If we slaughter you off the point like an FPS is suppose to complain, you throw a fit. If we capture high ground and then assault from different directions, you also complain. If we scan you and your numerous REs that you love to place down, then you also complain. Most PC players were in PC for tough fights. PC players wear proto gear in pubs because we were raised on a mentality (At least I was two years ago), that you need to stomp the enemy team before you get stomped. Now, when I return, I already have a code I run by: If there is another squad of Proto gear, I use proto. However, don't expect people to follow such... Make it to where hunting us is simply lucrative 07 "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.26 15:40:00 - [39] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: I like Thor's idea of being able to hunt down StompSquads far better. The reason being is that everyone loves tough fights, at least many corps do. Back up a few months, and I could specifically regale you all about how my CEO yelled at us to make a Squad so we could hunt down Nyain San in Ambush. It took us eight matches, but then we qued and played then for another ten. Give us that option to hunt them down, and some bonuses as well. Perhaps make it where a squad winning more than ten matches gets flagged, and other squads can find them. Make it so that if they are also killed in match by single players, a skill and isk bonus is created. There, you now have an unofficial bounty system Also, to the people who were complaining about corps using PC tactics to win in pubs....what other tactics are there to win? If we slaughter you off the point like an FPS is suppose to complain, you throw a fit. If we capture high ground and then assault from different directions, you also complain. If we scan you and your numerous REs that you love to place down, then you also complain. Most PC players were in PC for tough fights. PC players wear proto gear in pubs because we were raised on a mentality (At least I was two years ago), that you need to stomp the enemy team before you get stomped. Now, when I return, I already have a code I run by: If there is another squad of Proto gear, I use proto. However, don't expect people to follow such... Make it to where hunting us is simply lucrative 07 Bookmarked for the future. Very well put. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.06.26 15:41:00 - [40] - Quote korrah silain wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The game is becoming ******** because people won't stay and fight at all. Health of the game FIRST, New Eden is SECOND. Yes, because negative reinforcement is always a better solution to behavioral problems. What world do you live on again? In the past, before matchmaking was implemented, people left quite often in a match, yet the match would replace that one man down fairly quickly. Now though, you are lucky to get a single replacement. Maybe start there, and quit blaming it on KD padders. the replacements were disabled after a set period because the forumgoers were more or less unanimous that we didn't want to be dropped into matches in progress after a certain point. we asked for that aspect of matchmaking and rattati obliged. That's our own fault. And yet I'm still dropped into matches that are half or greater over... Anyway snark aside perhaps a simple compromise will work, instead of "no dropping into matches that are half over" we should have an option on our battle finder to include or exclude matches that are half over, with an incentive for acting as reinforcement(more isk/so/salvage/whatever) That's actually a great idea. I would support that. Give us the option to be reinforcement even if the match is late. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.26 15:45:00 - [41] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Someone wrote: ... perhaps a simple compromise will work, instead of "no dropping into matches that are half over" we should have an option on our battle finder to include or exclude matches that are half over, with an incentive for acting as reinforcement(more isk/so/salvage/whatever) That's actually a great idea. I would support that. Give us the option to be reinforcement even if the match is late. Ran a dozen or so matches with a squad who intentionally deployed into partially completed matches during the Anomaly Event. The goal was to turn redline matches around. It was an absolute blast. Anyhow, love the idea. Could also be modeled afte 501st's suggestion. Previously proposed something similar: * Underway matches are listed under Special Contract, as was observed during the Anomaly Event. * Provided slots are available, players can elect to accept a contract to join either side of an underway battle. * The current "Security Status" is displayed for each contract; the lower the security, the higher the contract risk. * High-Risk Contracts pay an increased EOM premium; Low-Risk Contracts pay a decreased premium. * Security Status is a function of Mu disparity, headcount disparity and match progress. * Extremely low security contracts may pay a "suicide bonus" or "savior bonus" depending upon match outcome. * Contracts displayed in orange indicate that a corpmate is known to be fighting in the affected battle. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Asad Thahab-Jabal Incorruptibles 8	Posted - 2015.06.26 18:20:00 - [42] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: With the changes to the squad sizes in pubs, Squad stomping should be reduced. It's also much easier for the team balancing logic to fill 2 sides comprising of 4 groups of 4 rather than 2 groups of 6 and a few randoms. Also, not everyone has a massive friends list and can easily fill a squad of 6. So currently squad creation isn't very high, further compounding the problem and contributing to the OP'ness of a 6 man squad running riot in Pub matches. Hopefully we'll see a rise in squad creation and participation of such squads in Pubs. For persistent quitters, the problem with punitive action against them (as much as I want their precious epeen KDR to get knackered for quitting all the time) is that is can penalise those that have legitimate reason to leave a game. So its logical to assume that if they have a legitimate reason to leave a game, it's unlikely they'll be trying to get into another one straight away. One idea that I've heard mentioned and I've asked the team to look at the technical feasibility of doing this, is to have anyone leaving a battle be flagged for a set time, say 10 minutes, so while flagged they will be put back into the same match they've left. They are contractually obliged to fight after all. If that match gets filled while they are being unsporting then they have to wait in the queue till the flag timer is completed. They'll be free to join another queue, say FW, but for the queue they just quit from, its fight the battle you were contracted for or wait till that battle is resolved. Now my way of thinking is that this would be a very New Eden way of addressing the problem. Your choices will have consequences. With this in mind, would there be a way to add a minute amount of bonus for damage/resist as well (maybe 3%-5%). This would not only add to the rewards of isk for assisting, but it will give the Mercs that want an "Easy" button their wish. That would only put them slightly higher than the opposing team. Meaning it would make the game more difficult for the "Stompers" as well as giving incentive for the "Stomp'ed." All that being said, I have been on the side of both "Stomper" and "Stomp'ed." Quitters are frustrating but if this option was implemented, I personally would give the quitters the "One-fingered" wave and welcome the newly buffed reinforcement.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.06.26 18:54:00 - [43] - Quote Good luck to everyone on those days that we get kicked from the server for just about anything. I wonder if kill counts would be able to go totally negative from this. Stop with the penalties ignorance. GIVE INCENTIVE TO FIGHT. I have never seen a game that actually discouraged fighting as much as this game has and does.
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 7	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:34:00 - [44] - Quote But nobody intelligent cares about stats. Not caring about KD
korrah silain True Illuminate 73	Posted - 2015.06.26 21:43:00 - [45] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: With the changes to the squad sizes in pubs, Squad stomping should be reduced. It's also much easier for the team balancing logic to fill 2 sides comprising of 4 groups of 4 rather than 2 groups of 6 and a few randoms. Also, not everyone has a massive friends list and can easily fill a squad of 6. So currently squad creation isn't very high, further compounding the problem and contributing to the OP'ness of a 6 man squad running riot in Pub matches. Hopefully we'll see a rise in squad creation and participation of such squads in Pubs. For persistent quitters, the problem with punitive action against them (as much as I want their precious epeen KDR to get knackered for quitting all the time) is that is can penalise those that have legitimate reason to leave a game. So its logical to assume that if they have a legitimate reason to leave a game, it's unlikely they'll be trying to get into another one straight away. One idea that I've heard mentioned and I've asked the team to look at the technical feasibility of doing this, is to have anyone leaving a battle be flagged for a set time, say 10 minutes, so while flagged they will be put back into the same match they've left. They are contractually obliged to fight after all. If that match gets filled while they are being unsporting then they have to wait in the queue till the flag timer is completed. They'll be free to join another queue, say FW, but for the queue they just quit from, its fight the battle you were contracted for or wait till that battle is resolved. Now my way of thinking is that this would be a very New Eden way of addressing the problem. Your choices will have consequences. Perhaps instead of an arbitrary time limit simply lock them into that battle till its over. Not that I agree with this, simply because, well I've seen too many matches with afkers turning things into stomps, or just one sided matches not making the game fun and essentially forcing us to throw away isk just cause. Not to mention there are certain maps I just don't enjoy playing and will often times abandon those maps simply because I don't enjoy them. Examples are the bridge level.
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1	Posted - 2015.06.26 21:53:00 - [46] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The game is becoming ******** because people won't stay and fight at all. Health of the game FIRST, New Eden is SECOND. Yes, because negative reinforcement is always a better solution to behavioral problems. What world do you live on again? In the past, before matchmaking was implemented, people left quite often in a match, yet the match would replace that one man down fairly quickly. Now though, you are lucky to get a single replacement. Maybe start there, and quit blaming it on KD padders. the replacements were disabled after a set period because the forumgoers were more or less unanimous that we didn't want to be dropped into matches in progress after a certain point. we asked for that aspect of matchmaking and rattati obliged. That's our own fault. Then it should be reverted. I don't like coming into a match that's 3/4 of the way over, but I can deal with half way. It often feels like the matches NEVER get filled in. Cut off time is far too short. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.26 22:53:00 - [47] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: But nobody intelligent cares about stats. SHHHH! You'll give away the punchline too early! WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
501st Headstrong 0uter.heaven 1	Posted - 2015.06.27 01:33:00 - [48] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Someone wrote: ... perhaps a simple compromise will work, instead of "no dropping into matches that are half over" we should have an option on our battle finder to include or exclude matches that are half over, with an incentive for acting as reinforcement(more isk/so/salvage/whatever) That's actually a great idea. I would support that. Give us the option to be reinforcement even if the match is late. Ran a dozen or so matches with a squad who intentionally deployed into partially completed matches during the Anomaly Event. The goal was to turn redline matches around. It was an absolute blast. Anyhow, love the idea. Could also be modeled afte 501st's suggestion. Previously proposed something similar: * Underway matches are listed under Special Contract, as was observed during the Anomaly Event. * Provided slots are available, players can elect to accept a contract to join either side of an underway battle. * The current "Security Status" is displayed for each contract; the lower the security, the higher the contract risk. * High-Risk Contracts pay an increased EOM premium; Low-Risk Contracts pay a decreased premium. * Security Status is a function of Mu disparity, headcount disparity and match progress. * Extremely low security contracts may pay a "suicide bonus" or "savior bonus" depending upon match outcome. * Contracts displayed in orange indicate that a corpmate is known to be fighting in the affected battle. This. Kevall's idea works also, however adding in more bonuses for the PS3 to calculate when we are already grinding the roof is not the best. And then the questions of how long the effect lasts, how large. Special Contracts currently is only a tease I checked everyday in case sonething was there. This could be a potential usage that I would love. Hunting down proto sqs for mini pcs all day afterclasses?? CCP take my money! "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Wu General Wu-Disciples Evil Syndicate Alliance. 8	Posted - 2015.06.29 16:36:00 - [49] - Quote i've been the only person on my team to finish a battle a few times and recieved like a bit over a mil in isk. i guess the contract is X amount and it gets divided based on what position u came in (1-16) 1st place getting the highest percentage of the X amount and the less people the less it is divided between people. What i think should happen is if you leave battle you should get what ever cut you were going to get deducted out of your wallet for breaching your contract. So if you leace because you were getting stomped and you were last place on the team @ 1-15 k/D you wont get as penalized iff you were the top 5 players, and you would technically be helping the team out as well. Now if you were one of the top 5 players at the time when u left the battle you would loose more isk thant he last place person, because you are more valuable to the team. Now what would make the most sense is having it stack onto the next battle you leave or multiply it by the amount of times u left battlet in a row or in the day. i think it would be more effective if it was for the hole day. Now this is where it gets interesting as i mentioned before the more people leave the bigger the payout for you will be, so once 3-4 people leave the penalty will be increased to a point where u wont want to leave, and you would just be better off hanging out in your MCC till match is over. I know this wont work for the billioniares and 100 millioniares of dust but it will affect a big enough portion for it not to be as big of a problem. Maybe if u left an X amount of games i a day it carries over to the next day so instead of starting at 1x youd be at "X" times what ever the penalty was for leaving so if u left 25 battles itd start at 25 battles. This will probably affectivly stop the billionaires from leaving. just 10x on 250k is 2.5 mil so 25x would be 6.25 mill. 6.25 mil is definately worth finishing the battle no matter how rich u are. this can easily be done because i already am getting paid for matches that i have left and been kicked from. Now maybe you should only be penalized if your team loses for the reason i said before the ****** 1-15 player leaving to benefit the team. IMO the easiest thing to do is at the start menu in battle where u can suicide yourself there should be a surrender/retreat (depending if your attacking or defending) button and if 75% of the team wants to surrender/retreat the game is automatically finished and he team that surrenders/retreated looses. Everyone still gets the SP and isk they would have recieved in battle.
137H4RGIC Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 528	Posted - 2015.06.29 21:38:00 - [50] - Quote What if we could implement a mechanic which saves deaths/kills on the character once they leave the match? That way, your kills and deaths are always saved after the match, regardless if you leave prematurely. It leaves people the freedom to leave if they wish (because I myself have been in matches that were worthless - beyond hope. At which point it was my choice to abandon the client hosting the mission and refuse ISK reimbursement.) The notion that your KDR isn't saved if you leave a match before it ends is rediculous as I am sure there are people who abuse the mechanic to their advantage. How do we fix team imbalance? I'm at a loss. But I think my suggestions negates punishment idling over you (there's punishment in other games and I -really- don't like punishment), but keeps in place recording your kills and deaths. Is this method feasible? I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.29 22:07:00 - [51] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: What if we could implement a mechanic which saves deaths/kills on the character once they leave the match? That way, your kills and deaths are always saved after the match, regardless if you leave prematurely. It leaves people the freedom to leave if they wish (because I myself have been in matches that were worthless - beyond hope. At which point it was my choice to abandon the client hosting the mission and refuse ISK reimbursement.) The notion that your KDR isn't saved if you leave a match before it ends is rediculous as I am sure there are people who abuse the mechanic to their advantage. How do we fix team imbalance? I'm at a loss. But I think my suggestions negates punishment idling over you (there's punishment in other games and I -really- don't like punishment), but keeps in place recording your kills and deaths. Is this method feasible? It's saved, that sht was fixed WAAAAAY back in the day. Kills and Deaths get added to your permanent record when they happen. You can't artificially pad your stats by leaving. the reason people leave when you blast 'em is they don't lose the fit if they punk out before you terminate the clone. So remember kiddies, put a bolt pistol round through every corpse you come across. If they're planning to leave they're probably running an officer fit under that SKIN. I also like how a half-serious tongue-in-cheek shtpost actually turned into something somewhat constructive. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 20	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:12:00 - [52] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: ...Make it to where hunting us is simply lucrative Extra end of game stat: number of officer and 100k+ fits killed
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:16:00 - [53] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: ...Make it to where hunting us is simply lucrative Exactly why I have proposed a keep what you kill system over and over and over. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 20	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:17:00 - [54] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: 501st Headstrong wrote: ...Make it to where hunting us is simply lucrative Exactly why I have proposed a keep what you kill system over and over and over. Nu I liek my predictable income
Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 309	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:38:00 - [55] - Quote Hell no, you're ******* joking right? You know damn well why people don't fight. Add better incentives to fight. Jesus christ. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 21	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:46:00 - [56] - Quote Beat the protostomp: give stats for killing them https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=206633&find=unread
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:52:00 - [57] - Quote I think a bonus to ISK/SP for every scrub that bails for people that stick it out is one of the better solutions. Incentivizing people to stay in already-started matches would be good too. One solution mentioned would be higher WP rewards for ganking higher meta level gear. And for those of you not paying attention this started off as a trolling sh*tpost that seems to have grown into something constructive. Keep the ideas coming. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
korrah silain True Illuminate 83	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:56:00 - [58] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I think a bonus to ISK/SP for every scrub that bails for people that stick it out is one of the better solutions. Incentivizing people to stay in already-started matches would be good too. One solution mentioned would be higher WP rewards for ganking higher meta level gear. And for those of you not paying attention this started off as a trolling sh*tpost that seems to have grown into something constructive. Keep the ideas coming. See break-in, using positive reinforcement is a much better way to incentivise behavior(although that's the wrong definition of positive reinforcement no one came here for a psych lecture) much better than penalization. Edit Both those should be implemented. Immidiatly
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 21	Posted - 2015.06.30 10:43:00 - [59] - Quote korrah silain wrote: using positive reinforcement is a much better way to incentivise behavior Incentivise people to kill the protos without breaking anything (senpai notice me)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.06.30 21:24:00 - [60] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Someone wrote: ... perhaps a simple compromise will work, instead of "no dropping into matches that are half over" we should have an option on our battle finder to include or exclude matches that are half over, with an incentive for acting as reinforcement(more isk/so/salvage/whatever) That's actually a great idea. I would support that. Give us the option to be reinforcement even if the match is late. Ran a dozen or so matches with a squad who intentionally deployed into partially completed matches during the Anomaly Event. The goal was to turn redline matches around. It was an absolute blast. Anyhow, love the idea. Could also be modeled afte 501st's suggestion. Previously proposed something similar: * Underway matches are listed under Special Contract, as was observed during the Anomaly Event. * Provided slots are available, players can elect to accept a contract to join either side of an underway battle. * The current "Security Status" is displayed for each contract; the lower the security, the higher the contract risk. * High-Risk Contracts pay an increased EOM premium; Low-Risk Contracts pay a decreased premium. * Security Status is a function of Mu disparity, headcount disparity and match progress. * Extremely low security contracts may pay a "suicide bonus" or "savior bonus" depending upon match outcome. * Contracts displayed in orange indicate that a corpmate is known to be fighting in the affected battle. This. Kevall's idea works also, however adding in more bonuses for the PS3 to calculate when we are already grinding the roof is not the best. And then the questions of how long the effect lasts, how large. Special Contracts currently is only a tease I checked everyday in case sonething was there. This could be a potential usage that I would love. Hunting down proto sqs for mini pcs all day afterclasses?? CCP take my money! I thought the Tranquility Live server does the calculating. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy

DiGreatDestroyer Grupo de Asalto Chacal Rise Of Legion. 85	Posted - 2015.07.01 01:05:00 - [61] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: I'd be fine with this. What about players that have bad connections? What if one our guys is left behind and we have to get out? This happens more than once a day. Why, instead of punishing those that dont act like you see fit, reward those that do? I should have the liberty of dropping out of a match without punishment for the sole reason of me wanting to do so. I plead to you kevall, you are in my view the second best CPM, dont second this. I know how frustating it is to watch as people drop out of your team to maintain their KDR, believe me, i do. But listen to me, this is not the way. And Breaking, i read your biommased interview. I was in the military too. I understand loyalty. And how infuriating it is when someone doesnt carry its own weigth, putting innecesary strain in everyone else, and he dont gets punished for that. Yet you are missing the other side of the coin. I see that this would only hurt those that care about their KDR. But you are going against the principle of freedom. You cant have that. You are forcing people to do something they dont want. Have you considered that those that leave maybe dont care about their KDR, and just dont want to be stomped, and leave in hopes of finding a fair game. I have been left alone, fighting against full proto teams, while my whole squad leaves because they dont want more. Yet i CHOOSE to stay, same as they CHOOSE to leave. Even thouh this would help me personally, i can see that this penalty you both want to implement is wrong. "I believe you have reason to what you propose. But should you treathen the cause of liberty, DiGreatDestroyer will be your sworn enemy" What must, will occur today, but there will always be a tomorrow Lo que deba, pasara hoy, pero siempre habra un mañana
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.01 04:54:00 - [62] - Quote Believe it or not I don't give a rats ass about what happens in pubs. I have been the only man left on my team before and I just giggled and killed as many as I could in a last act of defiance and enjoyed the full match payout that would normally be divided among a team. But my actual problem with this behavior... Is it makes everyone else not want to play. If no one plays I have no one to gank with an AHMG. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.


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