Give players dropped into one-sided, half-over matches a 20% damage increase, and 20% damage resistance.

They are contractually obliged to fight after all. If that match gets filled while they are being unsporting then they have to wait in the queue till the flag timer is completed. They'll be free to join another queue, say FW, but for the queue they just quit from, its fight the battle you were contracted for or wait till that battle is resolved.

Now my way of thinking is that this would be a very New Eden way of addressing the problem. Your choices will have consequences.

The problem is, and has always been, a lack of PVE content. Newbs need a place to go to escape the pubstomping. They NEED it. No one will stay if they're fighting NF or NS every match. This game is dying because we're basically throwing new players into nullsec PVP with not even a "good luck sucker" This is nothing but a weak and ineffective band-aid over the gaping wound that's bleeding players away from this game.

PVE content, a much longer academy, something to give players a place where they aren't going against PC corps on their first day. We're still hemorrhaging players because of this.

With the changes to the squad sizes in pubs, Squad stomping should be reduced. It's also much easier for the team balancing logic to fill 2 sides comprising of 4 groups of 4 rather than 2 groups of 6 and a few randoms.

Also, not everyone has a massive friends list and can easily fill a squad of 6. So currently squad creation isn't very high, further compounding the problem and contributing to the OP'ness of a 6 man squad running riot in Pub matches. Hopefully we'll see a rise in squad creation and participation of such squads in Pubs.

For persistent quitters, the problem with punitive action against them (as much as I want their precious epeen KDR to get knackered for quitting all the time) is that is can penalise those that have legitimate reason to leave a game. So its logical to assume that if they have a legitimate reason to leave a game, it's unlikely they'll be trying to get into another one straight away.

One idea that I've heard mentioned and I've asked the team to look at the technical feasibility of doing this, is to have anyone leaving a battle be flagged for a set time, say 10 minutes, so while flagged they will be put back into the same match they've left. They are contractually obliged to fight after all. If that match gets filled while they are being unsporting then they have to wait in the queue till the flag timer is completed. They'll be free to join another queue, say FW, but for the queue they just quit from, its fight the battle you were contracted for or wait till that battle is resolved.

Now my way of thinking is that this would be a very New Eden way of addressing the problem. Your choices will have consequences.

I like Thor's idea of being able to hunt down StompSquads far better. The reason being is that everyone loves tough fights, at least many corps do. Back up a few months, and I could specifically regale you all about how my CEO yelled at us to make a Squad so we could hunt down Nyain San in Ambush. It took us eight matches, but then we qued and played then for another ten.

Give us that option to hunt them down, and some bonuses as well. Perhaps make it where a squad winning more than ten matches gets flagged, and other squads can find them. Make it so that if they are also killed in match by single players, a skill and isk bonus is created. There, you now have an unofficial bounty system

Also, to the people who were complaining about corps using PC tactics to win in pubs....what other tactics are there to win? If we slaughter you off the point like an FPS is suppose to complain, you throw a fit. If we capture high ground and then assault from different directions, you also complain. If we scan you and your numerous REs that you love to place down, then you also complain.

Most PC players were in PC for tough fights. PC players wear proto gear in pubs because we were raised on a mentality (At least I was two years ago), that you need to stomp the enemy team before you get stomped. Now, when I return, I already have a code I run by: If there is another squad of Proto gear, I use proto. However, don't expect people to follow such...

Make it to where hunting us is simply lucrative

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And yet I'm still dropped into matches that are half or greater over...
Anyway snark aside perhaps a simple compromise will work, instead of "no dropping into matches that are half over" we should have an option on our battle finder to include or exclude matches that are half over, with an incentive for acting as reinforcement(more isk/so/salvage/whatever)

That's actually a great idea. I would support that. Give us the option to be reinforcement even if the match is late.

With the changes to the squad sizes in pubs, Squad stomping should be reduced. It's also much easier for the team balancing logic to fill 2 sides comprising of 4 groups of 4 rather than 2 groups of 6 and a few randoms.

Also, not everyone has a massive friends list and can easily fill a squad of 6. So currently squad creation isn't very high, further compounding the problem and contributing to the OP'ness of a 6 man squad running riot in Pub matches. Hopefully we'll see a rise in squad creation and participation of such squads in Pubs.

For persistent quitters, the problem with punitive action against them (as much as I want their precious epeen KDR to get knackered for quitting all the time) is that is can penalise those that have legitimate reason to leave a game. So its logical to assume that if they have a legitimate reason to leave a game, it's unlikely they'll be trying to get into another one straight away.

One idea that I've heard mentioned and I've asked the team to look at the technical feasibility of doing this, is to have anyone leaving a battle be flagged for a set time, say 10 minutes, so while flagged they will be put back into the same match they've left. They are contractually obliged to fight after all. If that match gets filled while they are being unsporting then they have to wait in the queue till the flag timer is completed. They'll be free to join another queue, say FW, but for the queue they just quit from, its fight the battle you were contracted for or wait till that battle is resolved.

Now my way of thinking is that this would be a very New Eden way of addressing the problem. Your choices will have consequences.

With the changes to the squad sizes in pubs, Squad stomping should be reduced. It's also much easier for the team balancing logic to fill 2 sides comprising of 4 groups of 4 rather than 2 groups of 6 and a few randoms.

Also, not everyone has a massive friends list and can easily fill a squad of 6. So currently squad creation isn't very high, further compounding the problem and contributing to the OP'ness of a 6 man squad running riot in Pub matches. Hopefully we'll see a rise in squad creation and participation of such squads in Pubs.

For persistent quitters, the problem with punitive action against them (as much as I want their precious epeen KDR to get knackered for quitting all the time) is that is can penalise those that have legitimate reason to leave a game. So its logical to assume that if they have a legitimate reason to leave a game, it's unlikely they'll be trying to get into another one straight away.

One idea that I've heard mentioned and I've asked the team to look at the technical feasibility of doing this, is to have anyone leaving a battle be flagged for a set time, say 10 minutes, so while flagged they will be put back into the same match they've left. They are contractually obliged to fight after all. If that match gets filled while they are being unsporting then they have to wait in the queue till the flag timer is completed. They'll be free to join another queue, say FW, but for the queue they just quit from, its fight the battle you were contracted for or wait till that battle is resolved.

Now my way of thinking is that this would be a very New Eden way of addressing the problem. Your choices will have consequences.

the replacements were disabled after a set period because the forumgoers were more or less unanimous that we didn't want to be dropped into matches in progress after a certain point.

we asked for that aspect of matchmaking and rattati obliged. That's our own fault.

But nobody intelligent cares about stats.

Ran a dozen or so matches with a squad who intentionally deployed into partially completed matches during the Anomaly Event. The goal was to turn redline matches around. It was an absolute blast. Anyhow, love the idea. Could also be modeled afte 501st's suggestion. Previously proposed something similar:

* Underway matches are listed under Special Contract, as was observed during the Anomaly Event.
* Provided slots are available, players can elect to accept a contract to join either side of an underway battle.
* The current "Security Status" is displayed for each contract; the lower the security, the higher the contract risk.
* High-Risk Contracts pay an increased EOM premium; Low-Risk Contracts pay a decreased premium.
* Security Status is a function of Mu disparity, headcount disparity and match progress.
* Extremely low security contracts may pay a "suicide bonus" or "savior bonus" depending upon match outcome.
* Contracts displayed in orange indicate that a corpmate is known to be fighting in the affected battle.

What if we could implement a mechanic which saves deaths/kills on the character once they leave the match? That way, your kills and deaths are always saved after the match, regardless if you leave prematurely. It leaves people the freedom to leave if they wish (because I myself have been in matches that were worthless - beyond hope. At which point it was my choice to abandon the client hosting the mission and refuse ISK reimbursement.)

The notion that your KDR isn't saved if you leave a match before it ends is rediculous as I am sure there are people who abuse the mechanic to their advantage. How do we fix team imbalance? I'm at a loss. But I think my suggestions negates punishment idling over you (there's punishment in other games and I -really- don't like punishment), but keeps in place recording your kills and deaths. Is this method feasible?

...Make it to where hunting us is simply lucrative

...Make it to where hunting us is simply lucrative

Exactly why I have proposed a keep what you kill system over and over and over.

I think a bonus to ISK/SP for every scrub that bails for people that stick it out is one of the better solutions.

Incentivizing people to stay in already-started matches would be good too.

One solution mentioned would be higher WP rewards for ganking higher meta level gear.

And for those of you not paying attention this started off as a trolling sh*tpost that seems to have grown into something constructive. Keep the ideas coming.

using positive reinforcement is a much better way to incentivise behavior

This. Kevall's idea works also, however adding in more bonuses for the PS3 to calculate when we are already grinding the roof is not the best. And then the questions of how long the effect lasts, how large. Special Contracts currently is only a tease I checked everyday in case sonething was there. This could be a potential usage that I would love. Hunting down proto sqs for mini pcs all day afterclasses?? CCP take my money!