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JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 737	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:43:00 - [1] - Quote We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:46:00 - [2] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:47:00 - [3] - Quote EvE online "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 331	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:47:00 - [4] - Quote no one said you had to stick with caldari, you can always buy a respec the way I see it I can only get better, if I am playing "hard mode" and doing well with it then I'll just be that much better if it ever does get buffed otherwise I will still do well regardless even if I happen to be at a disadvantage it's a challenge that I'm willing to take head on https://dust514.com/recruit/kWK05m/
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 460	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:54:00 - [5] - Quote When the port is announced
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 737	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:55:00 - [6] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: no one said you had to stick with caldari, you can always buy a respec the way I see it I can only get better, if I am playing "hard mode" and doing well with it then I'll just be that much better if it ever does get buffed otherwise I will still do well regardless even if I happen to be at a disadvantage it's a challenge that I'm willing to take head on So your answer is get a respect I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous hard-mode mpg whatever I don't care what you say nothing will convince me otherwise those things are OP that's fact and they should be fixed already its been months since the Nerf was confirmed its beginning to seem like legion. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 2	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:57:00 - [7] - Quote It's not really being nerfed. CCP is just moving numbers around. It's called "sleight of hand". "Now run along son, you bother me. Step right up...." "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 803	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:57:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets. Which would matter if explosives had anywhere near the dps, range, and direct zippy zap laser accuracy a scrambler does
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 737	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:59:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets. Fair enough. But they need some tuning super range, damage and rate of fire kind of seem to be a bit much. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 816	Posted - 2015.06.23 03:06:00 - [10] - Quote Why is the most op shield weapon in the game +20 against shields, when the only race that is shield based barely does any explosives? C'mon man, you know times is tough for the Caldari. Been tryin to get a shield buff for months now. Oh, not to mention ARs are getting a buff too. Smh. But people are pretty convinced the bolt pistol needs a nerf Shields, the silent killer.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.23 03:22:00 - [11] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: True Adamance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets. Which would matter if explosives had anywhere near the dps, range, and direct zippy zap laser accuracy a scrambler does And yet I distinctly recall all of those instant death Core Locus and Contact Grenades as well as the period of time during which the Mass Driver was arguably one of the most potent weapons in the game. This tit for tat nonsense gets up nowhere though. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
MrCriminal High Power 51	Posted - 2015.06.23 03:35:00 - [12] - Quote Aww more complaints about SCRs. Make me so happy to see cal assaults whine 24/7. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ¤.°n+ín+ƒGÿåGùÅ°.LASERS BTCH!!!!!! El Diablo 666
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 737	Posted - 2015.06.23 03:42:00 - [13] - Quote MrCriminal High Power wrote: Aww more complaints about SCRs. Make me so happy to see cal assaults whine 24/7. Shut up, your whining about my whining fixes nothing. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
MrCriminal High Power 51	Posted - 2015.06.23 03:44:00 - [14] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: MrCriminal High Power wrote: Aww more complaints about SCRs. Make me so happy to see cal assaults whine 24/7. Shut up, your whining about my whining fixes nothing. I'm not whining I'm laughing cause Cal users whine about SCRs more than anyone. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ¤.°n+ín+ƒGÿåGùÅ°.LASERS BTCH!!!!!! El Diablo 666
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 03:45:00 - [15] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: It's not really being nerfed. CCP is just moving numbers around. It's called "sleight of hand". "Now run along son, you bother me. Step right up...." Prestidigitation. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 737	Posted - 2015.06.23 04:12:00 - [16] - Quote MrCriminal High Power wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: MrCriminal High Power wrote: Aww more complaints about SCRs. Make me so happy to see cal assaults whine 24/7. Shut up, your whining about my whining fixes nothing. I'm not whining I'm laughing cause Cal users whine about SCRs more than anyone. I wonder why Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 804	Posted - 2015.06.23 04:17:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: True Adamance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets. Which would matter if explosives had anywhere near the dps, range, and direct zippy zap laser accuracy a scrambler does And yet I distinctly recall all of those instant death Core Locus and Contact Grenades as well as the period of time during which the Mass Driver was arguably one of the most potent weapons in the game. This tit for tat nonsense gets up nowhere though. And then they got nerfed. Just like the SCR will be. Whats your point?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.23 04:22:00 - [18] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: True Adamance wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: True Adamance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets. Which would matter if explosives had anywhere near the dps, range, and direct zippy zap laser accuracy a scrambler does And yet I distinctly recall all of those instant death Core Locus and Contact Grenades as well as the period of time during which the Mass Driver was arguably one of the most potent weapons in the game. This tit for tat nonsense gets up nowhere though. And then they got nerfed. Just like the SCR will be. Whats your point? No point. Just reminding people of what was so that they can consider the irony of their own statements was while they whine about what is. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.06.23 07:45:00 - [19] - Quote CCP shanghai doesnt like shields thus never MrCriminal High Power wrote: I am whining but pretendingin I am not fixed
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. 219	Posted - 2015.06.23 10:08:00 - [20] - Quote Hehehe it even melts armour in rapid time. A Scram takes off shield and arnour faster than a Rail takes down just armour. LOLZ Although we all know what's going to happen: CCP will nerf the Scram to death and it'll be AR514 again. Don't ya just love devs? Xxxxx

ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 218	Posted - 2015.06.23 11:08:00 - [21] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that...
Spaceman-Rob Dead Man's Game 843	Posted - 2015.06.23 11:50:00 - [22] - Quote Scrambler is a joke and anyone who uses it and thinks they're good are a joke too.
FabryX10 Eliters Brotherhood RUST415 149	Posted - 2015.06.23 12:07:00 - [23] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Rail rifle doesn't have a charge shot that do 4x damage! I think that charge shot should be removed/nerfed to balance scr. @CCP Rattati: How to fix Assault's shields
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.23 12:10:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: whining But better balance is a step in the right direction, right? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 12:17:00 - [25] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: True Adamance wrote: whining But better balance is a step in the right direction, right? I want to see data from CCP before the scrambler gets nerfed. The market data doesn't support a nerf.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.23 12:20:00 - [26] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: True Adamance wrote: whining But better balance is a step in the right direction, right? I want to see data from CCP before the scrambler gets nerfed. The market data doesn't support a nerf. Rattati has mentioned disproportionate kill/spawn efficiency more than once now, IIRC. Do you think ScR Efficiency might have changed? Edit: Came across another thread which suggested holding off on AR buffs until we've seen what comes of strafe changes. If this point were successfully argued to Rattati, stands to reason that the same "wait-and-see" argument might be made for the ScR. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 12:41:00 - [27] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Rattati has mentioned disproportionate kill/spawn efficiency more than once now, IIRC. Do you think ScR Efficiency might have changed? Edit: Came across another thread which suggested holding off on AR buffs until we've seen what comes of strafe changes. If this point were successfully argued to Rattati, stands to reason that the same "wait-and-see" argument might be made for the ScR. He has mentioned it, but it was quite a while ago and he didn't give us the data. Things do change, though I don't think much will have affected the scrambler rifle. Strafe changes may well, as they are likely to affect everything. It might take some time for the effects of that change to stabilise. Regardless, it would be nice to know that up to date data supports a balancing change before one is implemented.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.23 12:43:00 - [28] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: ... it would be nice to know that up to date data supports a balancing change before one is implemented. Absolutely agree. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Loyal Glasses G.L.O.R.Y 79	Posted - 2015.06.23 12:50:00 - [29] - Quote Would it not be an easy fix if we went with EVE damage profiles? Glasses of the Loyal Variety > "The dead are notoriously unproductive "
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 218	Posted - 2015.06.23 12:53:00 - [30] - Quote FabryX10 wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Rail rifle doesn't have a charge shot that do 4x damage! I think that charge shot should be removed/nerfed to balance scr. Dude the ScR overheats like a motherfcker (if you're not using a Assault Suit), the gun is fine as it is & since i use the gun everyday it's not as powerful as you think it is, unless Mr Rattitaki himself can pull up statistics that encourages any changes to the gun then fine. Oh and the charge shot does 2x the damage, with the Headshot it's 4x, plus that's suppose to be the purpose of the weapon & hence the name "Scrambler", because it scrambles brains, even the developer that designed the gun said that during one of their Dev Vlogs... Oh and just one dude saying "I keep getting killed by this gun, NERF NERF!!! Whine* Whine" isn't going to encourage any changes...

Louis Domi Tugastroy 928	Posted - 2015.06.23 13:05:00 - [31] - Quote I wanna get a respec and spec out of everything not caldari! Heck if the nerf all caldari ** I'll still do it! My Caldari hardmode will prevail! 5% reload bonus?! Beautiful! My Magsec can't kill ? Amazeballs! Took away my cal scouts precision for damps... Still mad about that... Nerf range mods?.... Bastards... Forcing most caldari to only use shields in highslots.... God damn! Having the SCR insta on my corps? CCP knows how to make a hard game! Having a team of AI Blueberries helping the enemy on my corps? ***** Brilliant. Still love them corporate caldari.
Loyal Glasses G.L.O.R.Y 79	Posted - 2015.06.23 13:07:00 - [32] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: FabryX10 wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Rail rifle doesn't have a charge shot that do 4x damage! I think that charge shot should be removed/nerfed to balance scr. Dude the ScR overheats like a motherfcker (if you're not using a Assault Suit), the gun is fine as it is & since i use the gun everyday it's not as powerful as you think it is, unless Mr Rattitaki himself can pull up statistics that encourages any changes to the gun then fine. Oh and the charge shot does 2x the damage, with the Headshot it's 4x, plus that's suppose to be the purpose of the weapon & hence the name "Scrambler", because it scrambles brains, even the developer that designed the gun said that during one of their Dev Vlogs... Oh and just one dude saying "I keep getting killed by this gun, NERF NERF!!! Whine* Whine" isn't going to encourage any changes... Even when armor tanking on armor suit it cuts almost as deep as a combat rifle which also needs a look at. Glasses of the Loyal Variety > "The dead are notoriously unproductive "
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.23 13:08:00 - [33] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Dude the ScR overheats like a motherfcker (if you're not using a Assault Suit), the gun is fine as it is & since i use the gun everyday it's not as powerful as you think it is, unless Mr Rattitaki himself can pull up statistics that encourages any changes to the gun then fine. Oh and the charge shot does 2x the damage, with the Headshot it's 4x, plus that's suppose to be the purpose of the weapon & hence the name "Scrambler", because it scrambles brains, even the developer that designed the gun said that during one of their Dev Vlogs... Oh and just one dude saying "I keep getting killed by this gun, NERF NERF!!! Whine* Whine" isn't going to encourage any changes... In a nutshell: 1) The gun is fine because you say it's fine. 2) Even if the gun is OP, it is OK because it's just doing its job. (Aeon?) 3) Anyone who disagrees with you is whining. 4) Rattati has to prove to you that something is wrong before he makes any changes. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 13:11:00 - [34] - Quote Kinda ironic considering the amarr are allies with the caldari yet their weapon is the most efficent against their own allies. Meanwhile the minmatard are hybrid tanking their suits to fool every 1. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.06.23 13:17:00 - [35] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Kinda ironic considering the amarr are allies with the caldari yet their weapon is the most efficent against their own allies. Meanwhile the minmatard are hybrid tanking their suits to fool every 1. Or the said allies have had no reason to buff their survivability versus their own allies' weapons. ...Lore and roleplay reasons.... Not belonging to any balancing discussion. KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 219	Posted - 2015.06.23 14:19:00 - [36] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Dude the ScR overheats like a motherfcker (if you're not using a Assault Suit), the gun is fine as it is & since i use the gun everyday it's not as powerful as you think it is, unless Mr Rattitaki himself can pull up statistics that encourages any changes to the gun then fine. Oh and the charge shot does 2x the damage, with the Headshot it's 4x, plus that's suppose to be the purpose of the weapon & hence the name "Scrambler", because it scrambles brains, even the developer that designed the gun said that during one of their Dev Vlogs... Oh and just one dude saying "I keep getting killed by this gun, NERF NERF!!! Whine* Whine" isn't going to encourage any changes... In a nutshell: 1) The Scrambler Rifle is fine because you say it is fine. 2) Even if the gun is OP, it is OK because it's just doing its job. 3) Anyone who disagrees with you is whining. 4) Rattati has to prove to you that something is wrong before he makes any changes. Did I miss anything? 1) No i say its fine because, if it wasn't then the Devs would've changed it by now, which they have plenty of times before. 2) that makes no sense if you want to argue with me on that then don't because i didn't make the gun. 3) No i said those that "Whine" wont change anything especially on CCP part 4) I never said that, twisting words ehh... This links to 1)... And yes you missed out that you've proven to be an idiot than smart...
Echo 1991 Dead Man's Game 860	Posted - 2015.06.23 14:25:00 - [37] - Quote Loyal Glasses wrote: Would it not be an easy fix if we went with EVE damage profiles? We would then need different ammo types in order to be able to do different kinds of damage with our weapons. Wanna play eve?
Raven-747 WarRavens 52	Posted - 2015.06.23 16:17:00 - [38] - Quote FabryX10 wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Rail rifle doesn't have a charge shot that do 4x damage! I think that charge shot should be removed/nerfed to balance scr. RR does not overheat moron so get over it. You can complain all you want about lasers. Despite the nerfs it will rip you to shreds.
Loyal Glasses G.L.O.R.Y 79	Posted - 2015.06.23 17:21:00 - [39] - Quote Raven-747 wrote: FabryX10 wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Rail rifle doesn't have a charge shot that do 4x damage! I think that charge shot should be removed/nerfed to balance scr. RR does not overheat moron so get over it. If we remove the Amass bonus and replace it with a reduction to overheat damage/stun lock, well? No one would complain then. Except Amarrr Glasses of the Loyal Variety > "The dead are notoriously unproductive "
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 17:37:00 - [40] - Quote Loyal Glasses wrote: Raven-747 wrote: FabryX10 wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Rail rifle doesn't have a charge shot that do 4x damage! I think that charge shot should be removed/nerfed to balance scr. RR does not overheat moron so get over it. If we remove the Amass bonus and replace it with a reduction to overheat damage/stun lock, well? No one would complain then. Except Amarrr We should focus on nerfing the gun not the suit. But if that was to happen then we would need to also change the operational skill for the ScR. AmarrFTW "The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "

Yokal Bob Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 17:42:00 - [41] - Quote I do pretty well in my cal suit, not been killed by a scr while in one for ages Vote Dust for PS4
Loyal Glasses G.L.O.R.Y 79	Posted - 2015.06.23 18:27:00 - [42] - Quote If we remove the Amass bonus and replace it with a reduction to overheat damage/stun lock, well? No one would complain then. Except Amarrr [/quote] We should focus on nerfing the gun not the suit. But if that was to happen then we would need to also change the operational skill for the ScR. [/quote] I went online to check the operation skill but than I noticed the am scout I checked its stats and we'll I played like my GalAss constantly passive scanning with almost as much armor and much better Passive scans. I instantly skilled into it. #skilledintoit Glasses of the Loyal Variety > "The dead are notoriously unproductive "
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.06.23 18:32:00 - [43] - Quote Has anyone done a comparison or comparative bit of investigating into what the Damage of a weapon is vs hit points of a certain tank? Eg. I feel that scramblers already do some of the highest DPS and have the ability for reasonable 'volley' / single hit damage yet they get a +20 to help combat shields.... however shield hit points are capped much lower than armour. I'm not asking for any substantial buffs, just a seriously look at the edge cases in such matters. "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 18:32:00 - [44] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: True Adamance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets. Which would matter if explosives had anywhere near the dps, range, and direct zippy zap laser accuracy a scrambler does And yet I distinctly recall all of those instant death Core Locus and Contact Grenades as well as the period of time during which the Mass Driver was arguably one of the most potent weapons in the game. This tit for tat nonsense gets up nowhere though. I think it's fairly obvious that extreme damage profiles need to go. Be it explosives or lazors. Considering the proficiency skill already adds to the damage profile. Which in the case of extreme damage profiles, only exaggerates the problem. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 335	Posted - 2015.06.23 18:50:00 - [45] - Quote MrCriminal High Power wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: MrCriminal High Power wrote: Aww more complaints about SCRs. Make me so happy to see cal assaults whine 24/7. Shut up, your whining about my whining fixes nothing. I'm not whining I'm laughing cause Cal users whine about SCRs more than anyone. I can recall plenty of armor users complain as well it's not just the shield community that points out the faults of the ScR and the DEV's have confirmed this as it is due for a nerf possibly after shields are looked over to see if there is another way to balance it https://dust514.com/recruit/kWK05m/
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 335	Posted - 2015.06.23 18:51:00 - [46] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Has anyone done a comparison or comparative bit of investigating into what the Damage of a weapon is vs hit points of a certain tank? Eg. I feel that scramblers already do some of the highest DPS and have the ability for reasonable 'volley' / single hit damage yet they get a +20 to help combat shields.... however shield hit points are capped much lower than armour. I'm not asking for any substantial buffs, just a seriously look at the edge cases in such matters. protofits does a pretty good job at showing the difference in dps vs both shields and armor, you can compare the profiles and different weapons at any skill level to see the difference https://dust514.com/recruit/kWK05m/
Boot Booter Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 18:55:00 - [47] - Quote True Adamance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets. Fine. Let me put explosive rounds in my CR then
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.06.23 19:33:00 - [48] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Ever used one? They have the same combat range. The rail has about 15 more meters, but the damage leading up to that range drops more than the scrambler. Not to mention double the DPS. The overheat is barely a measurable balance. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
bathtubist Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 130	Posted - 2015.06.23 20:07:00 - [49] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: no one said you had to stick with caldari, you can always buy a respec the way I see it I can only get better, if I am playing "hard mode" and doing well with it then I'll just be that much better if it ever does get buffed otherwise I will still do well regardless even if I happen to be at a disadvantage it's a challenge that I'm willing to take head on So your answer is get a respect I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous hard-mode mpg whatever I don't care what you say nothing will convince me otherwise those things are OP that's fact and they should be fixed already its been months since the Nerf was confirmed its beginning to seem like legion. damn right those things are op no need to turn around brother ur friendly logi bathtubist is repping ya
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.23 20:09:00 - [50] - Quote bathtubist wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: no one said you had to stick with caldari, you can always buy a respec the way I see it I can only get better, if I am playing "hard mode" and doing well with it then I'll just be that much better if it ever does get buffed otherwise I will still do well regardless even if I happen to be at a disadvantage it's a challenge that I'm willing to take head on So your answer is get a respect I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous hard-mode mpg whatever I don't care what you say nothing will convince me otherwise those things are OP that's fact and they should be fixed already its been months since the Nerf was confirmed its beginning to seem like legion. damn right those things are op Within their rifle class they are actually rather well balanced. When you compare those rifle classes.....that's where it becomes clear that there are issues. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`

BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 9	Posted - 2015.06.23 20:13:00 - [51] - Quote Bottom line the kids with the moded controllers and the ScR have the highest and most accurate DPS in the game. It is not balanced and virtually makes an entire race useless. I feel like I wasted 10M SP on Cal suites and now I'm looking for another game. This issue, the pistol, glitch, and jumping are ruining most games I'm in. At least they slowed strafing, although just taking off aim assist would fix the entire problem as well as the pistol BS.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 741	Posted - 2015.06.23 20:24:00 - [52] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: FabryX10 wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Rail rifle doesn't have a charge shot that do 4x damage! I think that charge shot should be removed/nerfed to balance scr. Dude the ScR overheats like a motherfcker (if you're not using a Assault Suit), the gun is fine as it is & since i use the gun everyday it's not as powerful as you think it is, unless Mr Rattitaki himself can pull up statistics that encourages any changes to the gun then fine. Oh and the charge shot does 2x the damage, with the Headshot it's 4x, plus that's suppose to be the purpose of the weapon & hence the name "Scrambler", because it scrambles brains, even the developer that designed the gun said that during one of their Dev Vlogs... Oh and just one dude saying "I keep getting killed by this gun, NERF NERF!!! Whine* Whine" isn't going to encourage any changes... Well half the community sure is. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 741	Posted - 2015.06.23 20:34:00 - [53] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Dude the ScR overheats like a motherfcker (if you're not using a Assault Suit), the gun is fine as it is & since i use the gun everyday it's not as powerful as you think it is, unless Mr Rattitaki himself can pull up statistics that encourages any changes to the gun then fine. Oh and the charge shot does 2x the damage, with the Headshot it's 4x, plus that's suppose to be the purpose of the weapon & hence the name "Scrambler", because it scrambles brains, even the developer that designed the gun said that during one of their Dev Vlogs... Oh and just one dude saying "I keep getting killed by this gun, NERF NERF!!! Whine* Whine" isn't going to encourage any changes... In a nutshell: 1) The Scrambler Rifle is fine because you say it is fine. 2) Even if the gun is OP, it is OK because it's just doing its job. 3) Anyone who disagrees with you is whining. 4) Rattati has to prove to you that something is wrong before he makes any changes. Did I miss anything? 1) No i say its fine because, if it wasn't then the Devs would've changed it by now, which they have plenty of times before. 2) that makes no sense if you want to argue with me on that then don't because i didn't make the gun. 3) No i said those that "Whine" wont change anything especially on CCP part 4) I never said that, twisting words ehh... This links to 1)... And yes you missed out that you've proven to be an idiot than smart... Yep cause they fixed the CR already Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 225	Posted - 2015.06.23 20:35:00 - [54] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: FabryX10 wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Rail rifle doesn't have a charge shot that do 4x damage! I think that charge shot should be removed/nerfed to balance scr. Dude the ScR overheats like a motherfcker (if you're not using a Assault Suit), the gun is fine as it is & since i use the gun everyday it's not as powerful as you think it is, unless Mr Rattitaki himself can pull up statistics that encourages any changes to the gun then fine. Oh and the charge shot does 2x the damage, with the Headshot it's 4x, plus that's suppose to be the purpose of the weapon & hence the name "Scrambler", because it scrambles brains, even the developer that designed the gun said that during one of their Dev Vlogs... Oh and just one dude saying "I keep getting killed by this gun, NERF NERF!!! Whine* Whine" isn't going to encourage any changes... Well half the community sure is. Only in this post...
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 808	Posted - 2015.06.23 21:36:00 - [55] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Ever used one? They have the same combat range. The rail has about 15 more meters, but the damage leading up to that range drops more than the scrambler. Not to mention double the DPS. The overheat is barely a measurable balance. Actually according to this spreadsheet, the scrambler has one additional meter of optimal range, though its effective range is ~6 meters shorter (which is pretty meaningless since both rifles do trivial damage at that range). Not that Im disagreeing with you, the scrambler rifle is a far more effective long range weapon than the Jumpy McFlopsofftarget Rifle. If they ever implement a tactical rail rifle, things might change, but as is its just absurd how well the tac scrambler does at the same ranges the breach rail is pretty ineffective, even though the breach rail is supposed to dominate at that range and has substantial hipfire drawbacks to balance that theoretical long range dominance out. disclaimer: I have no idea if this spreadsheet is accurate even at the time it was made, there is no readout for range in-game that I can refer to, even though it is one of the primary concerns in terms of balance and effectiveness. CCP y u do dis?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:02:00 - [56] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Ever used one? They have the same combat range. The rail has about 15 more meters, but the damage leading up to that range drops more than the scrambler. Not to mention double the DPS. The overheat is barely a measurable balance. Perhaps. But what you are doing here is erroneously comparing a weapon for a completely different rifle variation line up with another. Rather than indicating the ScR alone is the outline in this case it suggests that the Breach Rifle and Tactical Rifles lines are suffering from large disparities partially due to the DPS differences and partially due to the lack of a full weapons line up. Assuming a Tactical Rail Rifle were implemented it would have the same characteristics as the Scrambler and Tactical Assault weapons that exist in terms of DPS, range, magazine size, etc. The common complaint that the ScR is over performing is by comparison to one of the most under performing weapons in terms of DPS. While it doesn't change the fact the Tactical Rifle line needs changes to them to bring them into line with other rifles, and the ScR specifically to prevent exploitation of the charged shot-rapid fire tactic it remains a **** poor argument that is not indicative of a need for change in one specific weapon. Rather is indicative of a need for change and homogenisation in all rifle classes so that all have pros and cons meriting their usage. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:28:00 - [57] - Quote Next week. Not caring about KD
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:31:00 - [58] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Next week. Weapon-wise, I'm wondering if they'll hold off on tuning the over-performers and under-performers until after the strafe changes (?). Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 821	Posted - 2015.06.23 22:49:00 - [59] - Quote Alright, "fixing" other rifles doesn't seem like the best option, in my opinion. It never does, to me. In regards to the ScR, it needs a nerf to armor. That's the point of this gun, isn't it? In regards to Cal shields. It needs a buff. For more reasons than just the ScR. This topic has spun entirely out of control. Like it always does, when this community wants a change. Shields, the silent killer.
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy No Context 936	Posted - 2015.06.23 23:16:00 - [60] - Quote When will the CR be nerfed my only proto dropsuit command 5

Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 332	Posted - 2015.06.24 20:37:00 - [61] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: True Adamance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets. Fine. Let me put explosive rounds in my CR then It does 30% extra to armor with skills already. What's the 5% extra to you? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.24 20:46:00 - [62] - Quote Squagga wrote: Alright, "fixing" other rifles doesn't seem like the best option, in my opinion. It never does, to me. In regards to the ScR, it needs a nerf to armor. That's the point of this gun, isn't it? In regards to Cal shields. It needs a buff. For more reasons than just the ScR. This topic has spun entirely out of control. Like it always does, when this community wants a change. The ScR already does something in the region to 100 less DPS against armour than the Tactical Assault Rifle. I often say that within its rifle variation tree the ScR is very well balanced though as a result of their not being any anti armour tactical rifles there is the perception that both weapons are over performing. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Echo 1991 Dead Man's Game 862	Posted - 2015.06.24 21:31:00 - [63] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Squagga wrote: Alright, "fixing" other rifles doesn't seem like the best option, in my opinion. It never does, to me. In regards to the ScR, it needs a nerf to armor. That's the point of this gun, isn't it? In regards to Cal shields. It needs a buff. For more reasons than just the ScR. This topic has spun entirely out of control. Like it always does, when this community wants a change. The ScR already does something in the region to 100 less DPS against armour than the Tactical Assault Rifle. I often say that within its rifle variation tree the ScR is very well balanced though as a result of their not being any anti armour tactical rifles there is the perception that both weapons are over performing. It might have more DPS but it kicks like a mule and has bad hit reg. Wanna play eve?
Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 229	Posted - 2015.06.24 21:39:00 - [64] - Quote They need to treat it like the HMG. Make the heat build up hurt the assault rapid fire (Make modded controls useless) and benefit fewer charged shots of accuracy. Then this stupid gun will stop out DPSing everything else except the bolt pistol which one shots (We all know that is next on the nerf block). Hell, someone showed how the SCR can out perform the HMG since the dispersion nerf. "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 21:42:00 - [65] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Never e v e r Closed beta vet. Master troll. No lifer. Master lurker.
Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 726	Posted - 2015.06.24 21:47:00 - [66] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: I'm getting tired of being caldera. Poor Jarrel. If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident. probably.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 748	Posted - 2015.06.25 02:05:00 - [67] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: I'm getting tired of being caldera. Poor Jarrel. Indeed ducking hate auto correct Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 748	Posted - 2015.06.25 02:08:00 - [68] - Quote Crap. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 117	Posted - 2015.06.25 02:09:00 - [69] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: MrCriminal High Power wrote: Aww more complaints about SCRs. Make me so happy to see cal assaults whine 24/7. Shut up, your whining about my whining fixes nothing. Unless he's whinning about your whinning, while, your whinning, in which case, he's whinning! Everything I say is a lie but everything I say is true. Everything is Absolute, but nothing is absolute. When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 748	Posted - 2015.06.25 03:06:00 - [70] - Quote Zan Azikuchi wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: MrCriminal High Power wrote: Aww more complaints about SCRs. Make me so happy to see cal assaults whine 24/7. Shut up, your whining about my whining fixes nothing. Unless he's whinning about your whinning, while, your whinning, in which case, he's whinning! Everything I say is a lie but everything I say is true. Everything is Absolute, but nothing is absolute. The truth has been spoken \o/ Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)

Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 727	Posted - 2015.06.25 03:15:00 - [71] - Quote Zan Azikuchi wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: MrCriminal High Power wrote: Aww more complaints about SCRs. Make me so happy to see cal assaults whine 24/7. Shut up, your whining about my whining fixes nothing. Unless he's whinning about your whinning, while, your whinning, in which case, he's whinning! Everything I say is a lie but everything I say is true. Everything is Absolute, but nothing is absolute. This potato is absolute. So are tunnel snakes. Therefore, your religiously biased philosophy is disproved. If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident. probably.
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 118	Posted - 2015.06.25 03:21:00 - [72] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Zan Azikuchi wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: MrCriminal High Power wrote: Aww more complaints about SCRs. Make me so happy to see cal assaults whine 24/7. Shut up, your whining about my whining fixes nothing. Unless he's whinning about your whinning, while, your whinning, in which case, he's whinning! Everything I say is a lie but everything I say is true. Everything is Absolute, but nothing is absolute. This potato is absolute. So are tunnel snakes. Therefore, your religiously biased philosophy is disproved. Hey, you have your experiment's, I have mine. When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 398	Posted - 2015.06.25 08:11:00 - [73] - Quote '
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 749	Posted - 2015.06.25 08:49:00 - [74] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: ' You have changed my opinion and showed me the light, thank you. No sarcasm was harmed. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)


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