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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.06.23 02:46:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor.
Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets.
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Posted - 2015.06.23 03:22:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:True Adamance wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets. Which would matter if explosives had anywhere near the dps, range, and direct zippy zap laser accuracy a scrambler does
And yet I distinctly recall all of those instant death Core Locus and Contact Grenades as well as the period of time during which the Mass Driver was arguably one of the most potent weapons in the game.
This tit for tat nonsense gets up nowhere though.
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Posted - 2015.06.23 04:22:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:True Adamance wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. Because Explosives are +20% vs Armoured Targets. Which would matter if explosives had anywhere near the dps, range, and direct zippy zap laser accuracy a scrambler does And yet I distinctly recall all of those instant death Core Locus and Contact Grenades as well as the period of time during which the Mass Driver was arguably one of the most potent weapons in the game. This tit for tat nonsense gets up nowhere though. And then they got nerfed. Just like the SCR will be. Whats your point?
No point. Just reminding people of what was so that they can consider the irony of their own statements was while they whine about what is.
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Posted - 2015.06.23 20:09:00 -
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bathtubist wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:no one said you had to stick with caldari, you can always buy a respec
the way I see it I can only get better, if I am playing "hard mode" and doing well with it then I'll just be that much better if it ever does get buffed otherwise I will still do well regardless even if I happen to be at a disadvantage it's a challenge that I'm willing to take head on So your answer is get a respect I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous hard-mode mpg whatever I don't care what you say nothing will convince me otherwise those things are OP that's fact and they should be fixed already its been months since the Nerf was confirmed its beginning to seem like legion. damn right those things are op
Within their rifle class they are actually rather well balanced. When you compare those rifle classes.....that's where it becomes clear that there are issues.
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Posted - 2015.06.23 22:02:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:ThePlayerkyle13 wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:We've been going off CCP's words for a few months now but I'm getting tired of being caldera. And why is a ScR +20 to shields if shields stack less than armor. I don't know why you're complaining, your Rail Rife can outmatch the ScR at range & as a Caldari you suppose to stay distant from your opponents, the RR can actually destroy Amarr armor if you can hold the Kick, I have a Caldari Alt Character & i'm doing pretty well, I'm playing racially btw, like focusing on Shield tanking like the Caldari do, but i could say is that the shields need some love, considering armour been getting loads of that... Ever used one? They have the same combat range. The rail has about 15 more meters, but the damage leading up to that range drops more than the scrambler. Not to mention double the DPS. The overheat is barely a measurable balance.
Perhaps.
But what you are doing here is erroneously comparing a weapon for a completely different rifle variation line up with another. Rather than indicating the ScR alone is the outline in this case it suggests that the Breach Rifle and Tactical Rifles lines are suffering from large disparities partially due to the DPS differences and partially due to the lack of a full weapons line up.
Assuming a Tactical Rail Rifle were implemented it would have the same characteristics as the Scrambler and Tactical Assault weapons that exist in terms of DPS, range, magazine size, etc.
The common complaint that the ScR is over performing is by comparison to one of the most under performing weapons in terms of DPS. While it doesn't change the fact the Tactical Rifle line needs changes to them to bring them into line with other rifles, and the ScR specifically to prevent exploitation of the charged shot-rapid fire tactic it remains a **** poor argument that is not indicative of a need for change in one specific weapon. Rather is indicative of a need for change and homogenisation in all rifle classes so that all have pros and cons meriting their usage.
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Posted - 2015.06.24 20:46:00 -
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Squagga wrote:Alright, "fixing" other rifles doesn't seem like the best option, in my opinion. It never does, to me. In regards to the ScR, it needs a nerf to armor. That's the point of this gun, isn't it? In regards to Cal shields. It needs a buff. For more reasons than just the ScR. This topic has spun entirely out of control. Like it always does, when this community wants a change.
The ScR already does something in the region to 100 less DPS against armour than the Tactical Assault Rifle. I often say that within its rifle variation tree the ScR is very well balanced though as a result of their not being any anti armour tactical rifles there is the perception that both weapons are over performing.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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