And yet with only 3 equipment slots, I can practically guarantee that amarr logi's will be second fiddle to any other in PC - Gallogi's provide scans, Minlogi's provide reps, Callogis (with 4 equip & their higher bandwidth) will be able to lay down uplinks and triage hives to fortify an area - without having to worry about 'losing the uplink bonus'.

ya know what if pc folk enjoy 8-15 sec uplinks then good on them the others are clearly better. However if they want to spawn in quickly the only the Amarr Logi can provide that. The only way that is possible though is if the Amarr Logi stays alive, even on a respawn there is a bug that prevents our bonus from applying to our old links.

You are very mistaken, this is not a bug, but very much intended.

Does my Repair tool bonus still aplly when I die as a minmatar logi? Does my scanner still scan when I'm dead as a gallente? What about ANY OTHER SUIT? If you are dead, if you are not ACTIVE on the battlefield, why should the bonus apply?

Be happy that uplinks and nanohives stay on the field after you die

Oh, and Logi SideArm for life! Have my 4th EQ slot

... On second thought screw that! I'm keeping my sidearm, gaining a 5th Low and getting a 4th EQ slot! I'm voting Independent this time around. Just because the options are offered doesn't mean they are the only or best options to be had.

I'm asking for more. Ultimately CCP will have to draw the line.

I'd rather sacrifice the equipment slot. I only ever use Shield extenders and precision enhancers in high slots. How does that make me a slayer? I just want more survivability.
I dislike most of these options, because they make the advanced suit worse. Sacrificing the equipment slot instead of high slots does not.

The only change to be made is the addition of one high or low slot at the prototype level.

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I'm going to address the elephant in the room and say that I do not believe that people are debating this with good intentions or without serious conflicts of interest.

You really want an advanced suit with two equipment slots? How does that make the suit better lol

The sidearm isnt necessary to be 'viable', and in fact the 'trade' between sidearm or highslot qualifies as what I would consider a 'non-choice'. Having a sidearm >>>> having ~70 extra EHP, which is why so many people are entirely ready to make the "trade".

It's being looked at from a pure optimization standpoint ("how overpowered will ccp let me be with 4 equipment, a light weapon, a sidearm, a grenade, 2 highs and 5 lows... I trade a single highslot for +3 equipment over an assault!") when it shouldn't be. In the last discussion about logi's I was a big defender of the sidearm because they 'needed' it to defend themselves and their links, with the buffs to carried equipment and bandwidth changes the amarr logi no longer needs the sidearm. I'd go so far as to say many still want the sidearm because they've "always" had it, not out of any actual desire for balance.

Logi's need to conform to 4 equip, 8 slots, light weapon, grenade, no sidearm. Giving the amarr a layout of 4 equip, 7 slots(2highs, 5 lows), light weapon, sidearm, grenade is disgustingly unbalanced.

I'm going to address the elephant in the room and say that I do not believe that people are debating this with good intentions or without serious conflicts of interest.

the amarr logi is the best "combat" logi, really the only "combat" logi we have and the sidearm, like the person above just said, is more for defensive reasons since its slower and easier to kill in some cases. though it lacks equipment slots at STD and ADV, the sidearm really makes up for that in those regards even though two equipment is either going to make you choose to have equipment for your team or equipment for yourself. or just whatever you want.

The thing about the equipment slots is that if you are going to be using a repair tool you had better be running an expendable logi, the scanners really aren't all that helpful from what I have seen, and that just leaves the drop uplinks (which since having their numbers boosted) and nanohives (once again numbers boosted) being really useful so if you have good nanohives and good drop uplinks then you are probably going to die before you ever use up everything (unless) you are being stupid... and sure there are also the cloaks but... come on... Honestly if you wanna talk about cheating the logis the better point to be made is why the default profile and scanning ability of the logi is worse than the assault class (shouldn't that be the other way around). (The assaults also have more armor/shields but can run faster and longer, they all have sidearms, and they have almost as many module slots as the logi... why is the ONLY thing the logis have up on the assaults equipment slots[?] is the question most worth asking [and before someone points it out obviously the ability to have more equipment out at one time].)