DUST Search - So assaults are now going down, ey?

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

Sleepy Shadow wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

Say what?

Because their movement speeds are inconsistent with their eHP, assaults and logis are getting their speeds swapped.

Absolutely! It is time we had slayer logis again, they have been sorely missed. After people get tired of them, we need to nerf the logi in order to buff the scouts. When people have yet again gotten tired of the beefy scouts, I think itGÇÖs time we bring the HMG back while kicking scouts in the teeth! Yeah, thatGÇÖll show them scouts. And then we look at all them heavies everywhere and might remember that having assaults in assault suits was a pretty good thing.

Buffing anything at the expense of another is never a good thing.

It isn't buffing one thing at the expense of another, and it's not just assaults and logis.
Rattati wanted to ~~normalize~~ monetize the ratio between eHP and speed, so a lot of suits got changed, just assaults and logis are the most noticeable change.

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Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.05.27 20:58:00 - [31] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Sleepy Shadow wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Say what? Because their movement speeds are inconsistent with their eHP, assaults and logis are getting their speeds swapped. Absolutely! It is time we had slayer logis again, they have been sorely missed. After people get tired of them, we need to nerf the logi in order to buff the scouts. When people have yet again gotten tired of the beefy scouts, I think itGÇÖs time we bring the HMG back while kicking scouts in the teeth! Yeah, thatGÇÖll show them scouts. And then we look at all them heavies everywhere and might remember that having assaults in assault suits was a pretty good thing. Buffing anything at the expense of another is never a good thing. It isn't buffing one thing at the expense of another, and it's not just assaults and logis. Rattati wanted to ~~normalize~~ monetize the ratio between eHP and speed, so a lot of suits got changed, just assaults and logis are the most noticeable change. Thread here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=203785&find=unread Fixed .emag nug ym tpecxe gnihtyreve sexif gnikamhctam RDK
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. RUST415 3	Posted - 2015.05.27 22:48:00 - [32] - Quote Me? I'll be fine.... But I do feel bad for the noob-slayers who just got their first proto assault suit.
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 23:46:00 - [33] - Quote It really does not make sense for assaults to be slow they are after all meant to get into the battle quickly and start killing. I really feel like this is going to make scouts stand out even more as the primary slayer suit since they will be able to literally run circles around the assaults. Considering the assault bonuses are pretty mediocre there is a decent chance that we see some slayers also move in the direction of the logi. Commandos have needed a change for a while but I am not sure this will do it. If we see an increase in commando use from this it will be partially thanks to the assault losing its advantage in exactly the area it is suppose to have an advantage. If we are doing this in the name of "rationality" then the bonuses on the assault and commandos should probably be looked at as well. It really makes more sense that assaults would deal higher damage while commandos get extra ammo, extra precision, less heat build up, and whatever bonus I am forgetting that is currently on assaults.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 23:59:00 - [34] - Quote so assaults get nerfed with out giving cal and gall assaults a decent bonus. GG im done. AE. C.B2013
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 209	Posted - 2015.05.28 00:25:00 - [35] - Quote Prepare the bucket boys,so many minmatar assault scrubs will cry for this one. Public skirmish = camping games, Public domination = officer sniping games, Public ambush = russian roulette
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2015.05.28 00:27:00 - [36] - Quote you guys realize that after the HMG got a range nerf that speed was the next thing they were going to go after? CCP is trying to balance in new ways now. Oh what fun this will be for us. It was fine 3 years ago CCP when you did this crap to us because the game had a future - THERES NO FUTURE PLZ STOP ******* AROUND.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.05.28 01:23:00 - [37] - Quote I have to admit that i didn't except to get replies like that (quite constructive). Read them all and i have to agree that nerf-buff cycle is on its way. In conclusion. - There is a possibility of slayer logis being a thing again - without effective assaults (if they'll appear to be ineffective) we will observe increase in slayer scouts/logis and commandos It's all only a guessing but who knows, it might turn true. We'll see after changes, after our tests. Caldari Loyalist Uka ki onuoto Kirjuun. Nei ya arekaini saaja hui ka Heiian! Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu
Kaughst Nyain San 827	Posted - 2015.05.28 01:47:00 - [38] - Quote I hope they kill Commando in Legion, they have thrown everything off kilter to the detriment of the Assault. Going by the Fanfest presentation hopefully that will be the case. "Remember: no matter the circumstances, there will always be people willing to push you down a hole."
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 756	Posted - 2015.05.28 04:17:00 - [39] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Booby Tuesdays wrote: I look forward to watching TryHards attempt to convert a suit with less HP than an Amarr Scout into a slayer fit. A much more expensive fit than an Assault fit as well. You mean like scouts have been doing since forever? Like Ive been saying: Speed and HP are not the only stats on your suits. Balancing as if they are is not going to get you a balanced game, its going to get you either a boring game (if you strip out everything but speed and HP to have actual balance) or an imbalanced one (if you leave in dampening/scanning/equipment/etc dominance). Scouts have an eWar advantage, logis don't. And logis have a massive equipment advantage, so what? Im not arguing that logis are going to become scouts, my argument is that they are going to be far better than assaults overall now. If nobody agrees its no skin off my back, I have all these suits anyway.
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.05.28 05:27:00 - [40] - Quote Feel like we've been down this road before..mando buff sure, logi sure but not nerf the assaults and buff everything else.. It's like a double nerf..sure the min ass needed a speed nerf but what's the reasoning for nerfing the others? Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 992	Posted - 2015.05.28 06:10:00 - [41] - Quote Since I'm skilled into every Caldari role/suit, it won't affect me. But id rather have just the commando and logistics buff, and not the buff and the nerf to the assaults. Heimdallr69 wrote: I started the gal logi fotm back in the day..when I was in AE, don't think I can't start a new fotm =ƒÿÇ Join me in reviving the Caldari Logi slayer days. Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
jane stalin free dropships for newbs 306	Posted - 2015.05.28 06:12:00 - [42] - Quote When is this going to happen? I do prefer fast suits so I may as well burn through all my assault suits before they become sluggish. Hopefully the even if the nerf does not get "shouted" down it will get watered down, maybe leave the sprint speeds as high values and give a small buff to shield regen and delays , so an assault could sprint to cover and utilize cover better than other suits, it should have some sort of appeal.
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 1	Posted - 2015.05.28 06:29:00 - [43] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: What's CCP's stated goal/intent behind this? I'd be curious to read it. I can't really see what this is supposed to accomplish. Because it looks pretty on paper, that's what I got from it. It's in the feedback section: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=203785&find=unread As if the cal assault couldn't get any crappier... Closed beta vet. Master troll. No lifer. /Moon'er, /sun tolerator and visitor, Master lurker. Stay off my board normies
nelo kazuma Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415 229	Posted - 2015.05.28 06:34:00 - [44] - Quote Not opposed to commando buff But logis nope n assault nerf is horrible idea its basically gonna make them useless again. Certain suits like cal assault need a lil buff min assault slight speed nerf or just take away their movement speed thats higher in every one of their suits to match other suits.sprint speed is fine. Amarr is a bit op due to the scr being alpha weap of the game atm but it would be easily fixed if the weapon was properly working.highest hp plus strogest weapon is an issue. Logis are fine the way they are id rather not see return of slayer logis perhaps another equipment bonus, slight increase to bonus maybe or something like that but no buff to the suits themselves. FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.05.28 08:23:00 - [45] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: I don't understand why assaults must suffer. I agree that commandos are to need a small speed buff, not so sure about the logi as people always amor stack th em anyway The only way you can get an equivalent amount of HP on a logi compared to a similarly tiered assault is to have maybe 1/4th the regen of an assault suit. Oh did I mention you'll be much slower, worse stamina, etc. The cup is not half empty as pacifists sayyyyyyyyy AIV member.
IVIaster LUKE Art.of.Death 845	Posted - 2015.05.28 10:47:00 - [46] - Quote Middle finger reload speed LVL 5. What has 0.3 spool up time and 'Donkey kick to the balls recoil' ? Miss Piggy! =ƒÉ+
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 412	Posted - 2015.05.28 10:51:00 - [47] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Not sure yet what to make of this. I hope we don't go back to the days of the assault-logi Kinda thinking we will. Did some theory crafting and my Gal Log already looks more impressive than my Gal Assault for a variety of reasons. - Better Role Bonus Application (more reduction from equipment, don't need to fit a sidearm anyway) - Better scanning capability - Better fitting capability (both in PG/CPU and slot count) - Better mobility (after changes) - Less EHP (can be handled up on with more versatile fitting) - No sidearm (usually don't need it anyway) Minmatar Commando is also looking pretty impressive too considering that it's bonuses are generally just better, two light weapons means higher firepower, and it's mobility will be on par with the Assaults. More base EHP means that I won't have to worry as much fitting buffer and can focus on fitting regen/damage/scan modules to improve on it's weaknesses and hallmark on it's strengths. IMO, this may just be the final nail in the coffin for the poor old Caldari/Gallente Assaults. Don't forget that assaults are better at using ewar and speed mods compared to heavies and commandos.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.05.28 10:57:00 - [48] - Quote Well im glad I have the Min Logi maxed, since I doubt I'll be using my Assaults for much longer. Cannot stand slow suits. The Logissault is rising. Choo choo chooooo, lets all fck a blender. Dench's Thrift Shop* <-- WIP
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 1	Posted - 2015.05.28 11:55:00 - [49] - Quote IVIaster LUKE wrote: Middle finger reload speed LVL 5. >implying it isn't instant reload Closed beta vet. Master troll. No lifer. /Moon'er, /sun tolerator and visitor, Master lurker. Stay off my board normies
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 1	Posted - 2015.05.28 12:05:00 - [50] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: Well im glad I have the Min Logi maxed, since I doubt I'll be using my Assaults for much longer. Cannot stand slow suits. The Logissault is rising. You were born to arise. Closed beta vet. Master troll. No lifer. /Moon'er, /sun tolerator and visitor, Master lurker. Stay off my board normies

Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.05.28 12:14:00 - [51] - Quote Here's my another thought. If logis will appear to be more effective than assaults it will be on hand for other classes. Since scouts are mostly countered by assaults, they would have to deal with slow assaults and decent logissults (guessing : logis will be more effective than assaults but they won't be as good as assaults now) Caldari Loyalist Uka ki onuoto Kirjuun. Nei ya arekaini saaja hui ka Heiian! Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu
Deadly Goliath Omega Warlords 70	Posted - 2015.05.28 13:19:00 - [52] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Rise of the scout For me it will be the rise of the logi. More equipment, better scan range and hacking speed! And all I have to sacrifice is... Nothing! Really, so you don't count the fact that you don't have a sidearm, oh and run slower? I'll whip ya head boy
Deadly Goliath Omega Warlords 70	Posted - 2015.05.28 13:20:00 - [53] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Not sure yet what to make of this. I hope we don't go back to the days of the assault-logi Actually it was Slayer-Logis I'll whip ya head boy
Sleepy Shadow Qualified Scrub 385	Posted - 2015.05.28 15:52:00 - [54] - Quote Deadly Goliath wrote: Sleepy Shadow wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Rise of the scout For me it will be the rise of the logi. More equipment, better scan range and hacking speed! And all I have to sacrifice is... Nothing! Really, so you don't count the fact that you don't have a sidearm, oh and run slower? I run Amarr logi, don't worry, the sidearm isn't going anywhere. And I care about movement, not sprint. With logi I'll have the ability to strafe which in combat is much more crucial than running fast. But I have already planned a beefy scout too, so I'm all set. =ƒÿ¦
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.05.28 20:40:00 - [55] - Quote After reading peoples comments and playing around with some fittings I believe Scouts are going to be boosted to true king of slayer suits while assaults and logis end up fairly equal in their killing capacity. What we are almost ending up with is every suit besides the scout being built around camping an area. Why speed tank an assault suit when you can have a faster scan with better bonuses and get their eHP to similar levels while also having the ability to far easier evade bad situations and carry 2 pieces of equipment. Why eHP tank an assault when you can slightly speed tank a commando and have better eHP, 2 light weapons, and a great damage bonus all by giving up only a grenade slot which is not a huge deal. Logis will have a couple of different possible advantages based on how people decide to fit it. What I am getting at is that yet again the assault is being pushed to the bottom of the group when it comes to slayer suits thanks to the bonuses still sucking and now it is going to be too slow to move from area to area to keep the fight going.
Imp Smash molon labe. RUST415 859	Posted - 2015.05.29 01:11:00 - [56] - Quote I'm not worried. Logis are soft. Sure they enjoy advantages and what not, but when caught 1 on 1 an Assault will take them almost every time. That's the way it should work imo. That said -- scouts are still badass. If you want a bit of both Logi speed and Assault HP they aren't getting changed!


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