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Jammer Jalapeno
Dox You.
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2015.05.26 16:30:00 -
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VikingKong iBUN wrote:... and it didn't nerf the Scrambler Rifle? It's as simple as changing a few numbers in a spreadsheet, there is no reason for the SCR to have been this hilariously OP for this long, in fact it's just atrocious that this very painfully obvious imbalance continues to torment us.
I know you need time to work out a proper solution to create some semblance of balance, but it's just been too long now. It only takes one match to realise that 1000 damage from 70 meters in 0.3 seconds is not fair, so why has it just been left like this for so long?
Every single person I've spoken to about, or heard speak about, the SCR has said exactly the same thing: It's OP. So please - even if it's just a temporary change whilst you do all your notoriously half-arsed "testing" and stuff - reduce that damage, or RoF, or both maybe?
I am sooo tired of hearing about the scrambler....If you want to complain about ridiculous OP how about those Nova Knives? They can one slice a heavy in no time. Now is a sidearm really supposed to do that much damage?
MmMmMm TanKs....delicious TanKs
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SLENDER M4N
Murphys-Law
507
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Posted - 2015.05.26 16:34:00 -
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Jammer Jalapeno wrote:VikingKong iBUN wrote:... and it didn't nerf the Scrambler Rifle? It's as simple as changing a few numbers in a spreadsheet, there is no reason for the SCR to have been this hilariously OP for this long, in fact it's just atrocious that this very painfully obvious imbalance continues to torment us.
I know you need time to work out a proper solution to create some semblance of balance, but it's just been too long now. It only takes one match to realise that 1000 damage from 70 meters in 0.3 seconds is not fair, so why has it just been left like this for so long?
Every single person I've spoken to about, or heard speak about, the SCR has said exactly the same thing: It's OP. So please - even if it's just a temporary change whilst you do all your notoriously half-arsed "testing" and stuff - reduce that damage, or RoF, or both maybe?
I am sooo tired of hearing about the scrambler....If you want to complain about ridiculous OP how about those Nova Knives? They can one slice a heavy in no time. Now is a sidearm really supposed to do that much damage?
I just got my knifes to proto yesterday. Can confirm they are really good. I got a proto heavy on REPS and his logi. Job well done se+Ļor knives.
Roman said he would give me candy, I recieved a rainbow trout from his fishing trips instead. Am disappoint
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Echo 1991
Dead Man's Game
825
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Posted - 2015.05.26 16:39:00 -
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Jammer Jalapeno wrote:VikingKong iBUN wrote:... and it didn't nerf the Scrambler Rifle? It's as simple as changing a few numbers in a spreadsheet, there is no reason for the SCR to have been this hilariously OP for this long, in fact it's just atrocious that this very painfully obvious imbalance continues to torment us.
I know you need time to work out a proper solution to create some semblance of balance, but it's just been too long now. It only takes one match to realise that 1000 damage from 70 meters in 0.3 seconds is not fair, so why has it just been left like this for so long?
Every single person I've spoken to about, or heard speak about, the SCR has said exactly the same thing: It's OP. So please - even if it's just a temporary change whilst you do all your notoriously half-arsed "testing" and stuff - reduce that damage, or RoF, or both maybe?
I am sooo tired of hearing about the scrambler....If you want to complain about ridiculous OP how about those Nova Knives? They can one slice a heavy in no time. Now is a sidearm really supposed to do that much damage?
Knives are fine, the damage isn't the problem. The problem is its reach which is like 2-3 metres which doesn't make sense.
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REDBACK96USMC
NORTH K0REA
194
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Posted - 2015.05.26 16:42:00 -
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Jammer Jalapeno wrote:VikingKong iBUN wrote:... and it didn't nerf the Scrambler Rifle? It's as simple as changing a few numbers in a spreadsheet, there is no reason for the SCR to have been this hilariously OP for this long, in fact it's just atrocious that this very painfully obvious imbalance continues to torment us.
I know you need time to work out a proper solution to create some semblance of balance, but it's just been too long now. It only takes one match to realise that 1000 damage from 70 meters in 0.3 seconds is not fair, so why has it just been left like this for so long?
Every single person I've spoken to about, or heard speak about, the SCR has said exactly the same thing: It's OP. So please - even if it's just a temporary change whilst you do all your notoriously half-arsed "testing" and stuff - reduce that damage, or RoF, or both maybe?
I am sooo tired of hearing about the scrambler....If you want to complain about ridiculous OP how about those Nova Knives? They can one slice a heavy in no time. Now is a sidearm really supposed to do that much damage?
Those with knives have to get close to use them though. Scanners and Area Denial weapons nullify that easily.
What is the counter to an Amarr Assault at range with a SCR or even a Laser other than another one just like him?
Ive double shot them from behind with a fully maxed out shotgun on a scout gk.0 only to have them turn around and melt me in that said .3 seconds to see they still had 50 Armor left when a fully tanked Amarr Heavy or Gal Heavy would be dead.
Seen some of the top players skill wise lose when they clearly out gunned and out performed them just because of that rapid fire ability paired with the insane tank.
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Kierkegaard Soren
Eridani Light Horse Battalion
824
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Posted - 2015.05.26 16:42:00 -
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Commando AND Assault Rifle buff in the next pass? Deep joy. Would love to hear what your thoughts are for the commando role, Rattati.
Dedicated Commando.
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
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tal mrak-thanl
Corrosive Synergy
1
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Posted - 2015.05.26 16:48:00 -
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Higher charged multiplier? Are you ******* kidding?
Director - Corrosive Synergy
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
739
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Posted - 2015.05.26 16:50:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I intend for the next rifle pass to be last in a while, so need more time.
all Ga rifles will get a buff, especially the base variant, scrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps and TAR/SCR will be brought closer together on the hip fire kick&dispersion.
I want to do something for the other weapons, try for MN and AM HAVs, and tiericide/logi/commandos, make ADS better at killing tanks
It's a big task.
Be careful with the AR buffs, you might just end up with another OP weapon, TAC AR is already really absurd in the right hands and might even be OP if the scrambler wasnt completely overshadowing it.
BUFFING ANTISHIELD WEAPONS DUE TO ARMOR META CONFIRMED, but thank you for fiddling with the scrambler rifle, Im sick of having to use it just to compete with d-bags whose ability to click R1 quickly suddenly turns them into unstoppable killing machines. |
Summ Dude
Direct Action Resources
Rise Of Legion.
442
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Posted - 2015.05.26 17:22:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I intend for the next rifle pass to be last in a while, so need more time.
all Ga rifles will get a buff, especially the base variant, scrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps and TAR/SCR will be brought closer together on the hip fire kick&dispersion.
I want to do something for the other weapons, try for MN and AM HAVs, and tiericide/logi/commandos, make ADS better at killing tanks
It's a big task.
Can't help but notice the pseudo-strawman argument here: "It's a big task."
"It" here would apparently be referring to every change you've just suggested. You'll notice however, that this thread was started with the intention of altering only the ScR. But you just mentioned multiple changes, several of which are virtually entirely unrelated, followed by "It's a big task."
So, whether or not I agree with the OP, stating that the task requested will take some time, but then also including approximately 7 other tasks within that; it just doesn't really hold up.
Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Winn Summ and lose Summ.
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
542
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Posted - 2015.05.26 17:27:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I intend for the next rifle pass to be last in a while, so need more time.
all Ga rifles will get a buff, especially the base variant, scrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps and TAR/SCR will be brought closer together on the hip fire kick&dispersion.
I want to do something for the other weapons, try for MN and AM HAVs, and tiericide/logi/commandos, make ADS better at killing tanks
It's a big task.
Can't help but notice the pseudo-strawman argument here: "It's a big task." "It" here would apparently be referring to every change you've just suggested. You'll notice however, that this thread was started with the intention of altering only the ScR. But you just mentioned multiple changes, several of which are virtually entirely unrelated, followed by "It's a big task." So, whether or not I agree with the OP, stating that the task requested will take some time, but then also including approximately 7 other tasks within that; it just doesn't really hold up.
I think what he means by "it" is altering or tweaking factors within the game in general
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Summ Dude
Direct Action Resources
Rise Of Legion.
442
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Posted - 2015.05.26 17:31:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Summ Dude wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I intend for the next rifle pass to be last in a while, so need more time.
all Ga rifles will get a buff, especially the base variant, scrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps and TAR/SCR will be brought closer together on the hip fire kick&dispersion.
I want to do something for the other weapons, try for MN and AM HAVs, and tiericide/logi/commandos, make ADS better at killing tanks
It's a big task.
Can't help but notice the pseudo-strawman argument here: "It's a big task." "It" here would apparently be referring to every change you've just suggested. You'll notice however, that this thread was started with the intention of altering only the ScR. But you just mentioned multiple changes, several of which are virtually entirely unrelated, followed by "It's a big task." So, whether or not I agree with the OP, stating that the task requested will take some time, but then also including approximately 7 other tasks within that; it just doesn't really hold up. I think what he means by "it" is altering or tweaking factors within the game in general
Hmmmmm shaky at best.... My point is, it's how a politician would phrase a statement. Or rather, how a politician would have a writer phrase a statement. 
The point being, why even bring up those other potential changes? They have literally nothing to do with this thread. So, community, ask yourself, why are they there?
Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Winn Summ and lose Summ.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
1
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Posted - 2015.05.26 17:35:00 -
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Make the ScR build up heat while holding a charge. Makes it harder to use. But still very powerful if you're skilled at it.
!--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust on both current Gen consoles--!
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.05.26 17:36:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I intend for the next rifle pass to be last in a while, so need more time.
all Ga rifles will get a buff, especially the base variant, scrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps and TAR/SCR will be brought closer together on the hip fire kick&dispersion.
I want to do something for the other weapons, try for MN and AM HAVs, and tiericide/logi/commandos, make ADS better at killing tanks
It's a big task.
Did Rattati morph into a Caldari before proposing a GA weapons buff as to not appear biased?
!--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust on both current Gen consoles--!
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Patt MaCrotch
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
120
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Posted - 2015.05.26 17:44:00 -
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Spam core grenades at those Amarr Assault tryhards with a ScR and repper behind them. Seems that's the only way I see them running these days, a Min Logi on their ass with a core focused. I just shoot them in the face with an Alldin's, no mas problemo. |
Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1
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Posted - 2015.05.26 17:45:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I intend for the next rifle pass to be last in a while, so need more time.
all Ga rifles will get a buff, especially the base variant, scrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps and TAR/SCR will be brought closer together on the hip fire kick&dispersion.
I want to do something for the other weapons, try for MN and AM HAVs, and tiericide/logi/commandos, make ADS better at killing tanks
It's a big task.
What about the other variants of the other races rifles... Like a breach Scr would be nice
You can wait until us Sentinels have more than two weapons to choose from.
Gal/Amarr Heavy Weapon > Rifle Variants.
Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
741
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Posted - 2015.05.26 17:49:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Summ Dude wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I intend for the next rifle pass to be last in a while, so need more time.
all Ga rifles will get a buff, especially the base variant, scrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps and TAR/SCR will be brought closer together on the hip fire kick&dispersion.
I want to do something for the other weapons, try for MN and AM HAVs, and tiericide/logi/commandos, make ADS better at killing tanks
It's a big task.
Can't help but notice the pseudo-strawman argument here: "It's a big task." "It" here would apparently be referring to every change you've just suggested. You'll notice however, that this thread was started with the intention of altering only the ScR. But you just mentioned multiple changes, several of which are virtually entirely unrelated, followed by "It's a big task." So, whether or not I agree with the OP, stating that the task requested will take some time, but then also including approximately 7 other tasks within that; it just doesn't really hold up. I think what he means by "it" is altering or tweaking factors within the game in general Hmmmmm shaky at best.... My point is, it's how a politician would phrase a statement. Or rather, how a politician would have a writer phrase a statement. The point being, why even bring up those other potential changes? They have literally nothing to do with this thread. So, community, ask yourself, why are they there?
Or its how a lead dev who has a shitload of stuff to do and only limited time to do it in, while also not wanting to make balance even worse than it is, would say about his next release.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10
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Posted - 2015.05.26 17:55:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I intend for the next rifle pass to be last in a while, so need more time.
all Ga rifles will get a buff, especially the base variant, scrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps and TAR/SCR will be brought closer together on the hip fire kick&dispersion.
I want to do something for the other weapons, try for MN and AM HAVs, and tiericide/logi/commandos, make ADS better at killing tanks
It's a big task.
What about the other variants of the other races rifles... Like a breach Scr would be nice You can wait until us Sentinels have more than two weapons to choose from. Gal/Amarr Heavy Weapon > Rifle Variants. All else equal yes, but in reality rifle variants don't need new asset models and animations, just different stats. Substantially easier.
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp
Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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VikingKong iBUN
0uter.Heaven
390
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Posted - 2015.05.26 17:59:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:
So Op, whats your plan? How do want it to be nerfed?
Well in the OP I did say it needs at least a RoF or damage nerf, really right now I think it needs a RoF nerf to stop those turbo controller abusing faggots.
CCP Rattati wrote:
It's a big task.
I understand and respect that, I just meant that while you're playing around with the rifle balance as a whole and possibly thinking about changing the mechanics of the charged shot or whatever, it at least needs a little nerf to the base stats because it is clearly outperforming other rifles.
I know I come across as rude and patronising and I apologise, but I was in an angry Scrambler-fuelled rage 
I would like a Gallente SMG.
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Alena Ventrallis
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.05.26 18:02:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I intend for the next rifle pass to be last in a while, so need more time.
all Ga rifles will get a buff, especially the base variant, scrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps and TAR/SCR will be brought closer together on the hip fire kick&dispersion.
I want to do something for the other weapons, try for MN and AM HAVs, and tiericide/logi/commandos, make ADS better at killing tanks
It's a big task.
Good to hear on GA rifles, honestly for the TAR you just need to tone down ADS kick and it'll be just fine. Also you should consider the discussion some people have been having of leaving the ScR alone save for adding in the Ion Pistol small overheat after a fully charged shot to prevent spamming.
Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.26 18:05:00 -
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Jammer Jalapeno wrote:I am sooo tired of hearing about the scrambler....If you want to complain about ridiculous OP how about those Nova Knives?
Which would explain why MinScouts are at the very top of the Kill/Spawn Efficiency pile.
And not at the very bottom.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
543
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Posted - 2015.05.26 18:34:00 -
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Patt MaCrotch wrote:Spam core grenades at those Amarr Assault tryhards with a ScR and repper behind them. Seems that's the only way I see them running these days, a Min Logi on their ass with a core focused. I just shoot them in the face with an Alldin's, no mas problemo.
Your edge almost cut me there.
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The Eristic
Art.of.Death
991
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Posted - 2015.05.26 18:35:00 -
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[quote=CCP Rattatiscrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps
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Would you consider upping the headshot multiplier as well? While the Viziam is hilariously powerful, especially with damage mods, and the CRW is decent, the basic already stuggles in our brick tanking meta. If the raw DPS is going down, there will need to be a way for the lower tiers to not be made completely useless against suits that aren't militia light frames, and rewarding precision for the de facto "tactical" variant seems appropriate.
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
17
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Posted - 2015.05.26 18:36:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Devadander wrote:My only gripe is being blapped by my allies weapon constantly.  I can relate, FW and my playstyle are not compatible at all. I must curb my bloodlust, and I do not like it.
CCP Rattati wrote: I must curb my bloodlust
CCP Rattati wrote: curb my bloodlust
CCP Rattati wrote: bloodlust
Gallente plz
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries
772
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Posted - 2015.05.26 18:37:00 -
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how 'bout that minmatar nerf? |
Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
544
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Posted - 2015.05.26 18:40:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Make the ScR build up heat while holding a charge. Makes it harder to use. But still very powerful if you're skilled at it.
EDIT: And then change ScR proficiency to reduce heat, instead of adding damage.
How about not letting the user hold the charge altogether? Like the assault forge
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tal mrak-thanl
Corrosive Synergy
1
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Posted - 2015.05.26 18:41:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:how 'bout that minmatar nerf?
How 'bout you troll another thread instead?
Director - Corrosive Synergy
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
245
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Posted - 2015.05.26 19:40:00 -
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LOL you SCR cry babies don't know what aspect of the weapon to cry about, first its the damage profile then ROF, then the charge shot, then the clip size, then amount of shots before overheat, then amount of shots allowed after a charge shot..... you all just need to grow a pair and stop crying about dying when all you fotm scrubs use is min fits.... scr comes along and ***** on your fotm and now it's a problem. if scr gets a nerf so shoud the CR because it is to easy to spam burst shots that guarantee 1 of 3 projectiles will hit and stop shield recharge/damage armor.
Director / Slayer / Emperor
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VAHZZ
The Nerf Herders
2
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Posted - 2015.05.26 19:43:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I intend for the next rifle pass to be last in a while, so need more time.
all Ga rifles will get a buff, especially the base variant, scrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps and TAR/SCR will be brought closer together on the hip fire kick&dispersion.
I want to do something for the other weapons, try for MN and AM HAVs, and tiericide/logi/commandos, make ADS better at killing tanks
It's a big task.
Oh god, oh god, oh god, i am freaking out.
PLEASE DON'T MAKE AR OP AGAIN!
Bruh
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
245
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Posted - 2015.05.26 19:47:00 -
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REDBACK96USMC wrote:Jammer Jalapeno wrote:VikingKong iBUN wrote:... and it didn't nerf the Scrambler Rifle? It's as simple as changing a few numbers in a spreadsheet, there is no reason for the SCR to have been this hilariously OP for this long, in fact it's just atrocious that this very painfully obvious imbalance continues to torment us.
I know you need time to work out a proper solution to create some semblance of balance, but it's just been too long now. It only takes one match to realise that 1000 damage from 70 meters in 0.3 seconds is not fair, so why has it just been left like this for so long?
Every single person I've spoken to about, or heard speak about, the SCR has said exactly the same thing: It's OP. So please - even if it's just a temporary change whilst you do all your notoriously half-arsed "testing" and stuff - reduce that damage, or RoF, or both maybe?
I am sooo tired of hearing about the scrambler....If you want to complain about ridiculous OP how about those Nova Knives? They can one slice a heavy in no time. Now is a sidearm really supposed to do that much damage? Those with knives have to get close to use them though. Scanners and Area Denial weapons nullify that easily. What is the counter to an Amarr Assault at range with a SCR or even a Laser other than another one just like him? Ive double shot them from behind with a fully maxed out shotgun on a scout gk.0 only to have them turn around and melt me in that said .3 seconds to see they still had 50 Armor left when a fully tanked Amarr Heavy or Gal Heavy would be dead. Seen some of the top players skill wise lose when they clearly out gunned and out performed them just because of that rapid fire ability paired with the insane tank.
obviously these players of yours weren't as good as your imagination lets you believe lol if they have better gun game they should have walked away with it.
Director / Slayer / Emperor
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
545
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Posted - 2015.05.26 19:52:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:LOL you SCR cry babies don't know what aspect of the weapon to cry about, first its the damage profile then ROF, then the charge shot, then the clip size, then amount of shots before overheat, then amount of shots allowed after a charge shot..... you all just need to grow a pair and stop crying about dying when all you fotm scrubs use is min fits.... scr comes along and ***** on your fotm and now it's a problem. if scr gets a nerf so shoud the CR because it is to easy to spam burst shots that guarantee 1 of 3 projectiles will hit and stop shield recharge/damage armor.
Come on man let them be, if after all these nerfs we still come out on top in gunfights then our ego will be inflated tenfold. Or think about it like this, a fun new experience by experimenting on new play style!
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
245
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Posted - 2015.05.26 19:55:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Summ Dude wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I intend for the next rifle pass to be last in a while, so need more time.
all Ga rifles will get a buff, especially the base variant, scrambler will get a higher charged multiplier, lower dps and TAR/SCR will be brought closer together on the hip fire kick&dispersion.
I want to do something for the other weapons, try for MN and AM HAVs, and tiericide/logi/commandos, make ADS better at killing tanks
It's a big task.
Can't help but notice the pseudo-strawman argument here: "It's a big task." "It" here would apparently be referring to every change you've just suggested. You'll notice however, that this thread was started with the intention of altering only the ScR. But you just mentioned multiple changes, several of which are virtually entirely unrelated, followed by "It's a big task." So, whether or not I agree with the OP, stating that the task requested will take some time, but then also including approximately 7 other tasks within that; it just doesn't really hold up. I think what he means by "it" is altering or tweaking factors within the game in general Hmmmmm shaky at best.... My point is, it's how a politician would phrase a statement. Or rather, how a politician would have a writer phrase a statement. The point being, why even bring up those other potential changes? They have literally nothing to do with this thread. So, community, ask yourself, why are they there?
Because he has other things to do besides nerf a weapon because someone cries about dying to it.... funny how its always "I die to fast to this" and not "I've noticed a lot of people die to this... "
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