DUST Search - The commando

Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:

You what it's missing?

A fear factor.

Heavies are known to tank and shred you with hmgs or one hit your lav and wipe you out

Assaults are known for quickly and effectively taking out targets

Scouts are known for their deadly knives and shotguns.

Logis- aren't really fighters but we all hate jumpy mass drivers.

Commandos? Aside from the minmatar and gallente with good av, they suck, can't stack as much hp as assaults, can't rep as quick, can't run as fast, can't hack as fast, and kill as fast, any jump as high,

They suck and have really no fear factor. Plus they are SUPER SQUISHY.

So what can be done about them?

Idk. That's up for everyone to decide.

Keep in mind that the main focus would be caldar and amarr commandos as the min/gal are effective at av

WHAT IF we got rid of commandos, gave assaults 2 light weapons, took away those side arms, and made them the true assault/suppressors?

And to balance them out against other dropsuits, take away the damage bonus.

Give scouts/heavies a bonus to sidearms to make those counter the assaults light weapons?

Look at it like this

Assault- 2 light small bonus to both weapons. 1.racial bonus

Scout- 1 light- 1 side arm. Side arm damage bonus (to counter second light weapons of assaults

Heavy- 1 heavy, change their side arm to a light weapon or keep side arm of you feel it will be op.

If you do give heavy light, give scout a second side arm.

The last and final option would be to remove them.

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Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 442	Posted - 2015.05.19 22:05:00 - [1] - Quote You what it's missing? A fear factor. Heavies are known to tank and shred you with hmgs or one hit your lav and wipe you out Assaults are known for quickly and effectively taking out targets Scouts are known for their deadly knives and shotguns. Logis- aren't really fighters but we all hate jumpy mass drivers. Commandos? Aside from the minmatar and gallente with good av, they suck, can't stack as much hp as assaults, can't rep as quick, can't run as fast, can't hack as fast, and kill as fast, any jump as high, They suck and have really no fear factor. Plus they are SUPER SQUISHY. So what can be done about them? Idk. That's up for everyone to decide. Keep in mind that the main focus would be caldar and amarr commandos as the min/gal are effective at av 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Weekly YES OR NO
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.05.19 22:08:00 - [2] - Quote More stamina and stamina regen, more main tank (Caldari shield regen / gallente armour regen / Minmatar speed? / Amarr armor hp). Maybe increase the 2% per level of damage to 3%? This way, Assaults have no chance of catching up to a commando xk.0
gthing SUKANIGADK ITAL1AN MAF1A 3	Posted - 2015.05.19 22:10:00 - [3] - Quote More speed/reps.
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 22:17:00 - [4] - Quote More speed is a must with those hitboxes. I feel like each race could use a buff to its respective tank as well, just slightly though. Gal would get more armor regen, amarr more base armor, cal more base shield and min should get shield regen as I don't like buffing its speed twice. The alternative to giving them more tank is an extra slot. Do two of these three things and I think commandos will be a real threat and start to move out of, or at least really shine at support. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 22:23:00 - [5] - Quote So... You want commandos to be OP AF? Kden. "Flush them out? We sure will mate, flush em down the toilet like the turds they are."-- Eros Adonai, pushing the SD.
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 605	Posted - 2015.05.19 22:45:00 - [6] - Quote Give The Calmando a bonus to Explosives as well (as they arguably use missiles more than the Minmatar) and add a light laser AV weapon. Now all commandos are very versatile and can take on both infantry and vehicles effectively with the same fit. We want cake and tea.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 445	Posted - 2015.05.19 22:46:00 - [7] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: So... You want commandos to be OP AF? Kden. Op? I can wipe 3 of them in a row with only assault scrambler pistols. They suck. And I kinda regret ever skilling into them 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Weekly YES OR NO
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 22:48:00 - [8] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: So... You want commandos to be OP AF? Kden. Op? I can wipe 3 of them in a row with only assault scrambler pistols. They suck. And I kinda regret ever skilling into them If you can do that it means you were problay facing unskilled commando players. Im just a glorified blueberry
Oswald Rehnquist 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 23:01:00 - [9] - Quote Maybe this isn't optimal or preferred by the community but... Cloaks + Low profile sigs + second equipment slot Make it a fat scout that harasses at a distance. Below 28 dB
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4	Posted - 2015.05.19 23:16:00 - [10] - Quote You give up way to much for some extra damage and ehp. The base vs most other suits are kind of awful. Slow, low stamina, poor self healing factor and absolutely no eWar and with no chance of changing it due to low slot count. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 815	Posted - 2015.05.19 23:21:00 - [11] - Quote 1) Speed. Tank is second highest in the game. It's the hitbox and the sluggishness that kills you. 2) A third suit bonus. People seem to forget that it's a specialist suit, in the same tier as assaults, sentinels and scouts, and whilst those suits enjoy three bonuses (typically, one fitting and two unique), the commando is left with just two. An EWAR themed bonus would be helpful. 3) Speaking of which, EWAR. Worst in the game, excluding sentinels, who don't really need it; if they turn a corner and it's full of reds, well...HMG, right? On the other hand, commandos can be seen by everyone and can see nothing, save a sentinel at close range. Which is not optimal to say the least. And they can't sacrifice slots for EWAR modules because they have the lowest slot count in the game. 4) Which they need for reps and biotic so. Specifically, cardiacs. The commando is at its best when it's used as a marauder that flanks, harasses enemy positions and targets vehicles. Speed is needed, but so too is stamina. They do need to be able to move around the battlefield for sustained periods of time so that they can bring their weapon load outs to the right fight. Stamina regen on commandos is shockingly bad. 5) I do really like the cloak idea. I don't think it should be a scout-only piece of equipment. Giving them an extra equipment slot and the third bonus as a cloak fitting bonus would make the commando a unique suit to play with. Strategic movement, surprise attacks with AV load outs, and the opportunity to make good on that massive melee strike? Yes please. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
The Eristic Dust 90210 979	Posted - 2015.05.19 23:57:00 - [12] - Quote Some combo of: + a bit of speed + a large amount of stamina & stamina regen + much improved scan precision and THE HIGHEST scan radius + noticeably more main tank regen + second equipment + maybe one slot Cloak is an interesting one, too, but they're mostly too slow and scannable to use it effectively as they are. Would be excellent for repositioning as a Calmando, though. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.05.20 00:00:00 - [13] - Quote It's almost as if yall are forgetting that commandos carry two light weapons. Any buff to the commando will make it op as hell. Now don't get me wrong, I'm totally onboard for making commandos op, I run em all the time :) "Flush them out? We sure will mate, flush em down the toilet like the turds they are."-- Eros Adonai, pushing the SD.
Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 817	Posted - 2015.05.20 00:12:00 - [14] - Quote You can only use one gun at a time, though. And for that, the commando loses a grenade, which are incredibly useful for all sorts of reasons I'm sure you're aware of. Two Lights gives the commando enhanced tactical flexibility. It does not give it more firepower. Again, only one gun at a time can be used, and in a firefight you have to factor in more than just your gun; how fast and manoeuvrable are you? How easy are you to hit? How much of a hit can you take? And how fast can you repair after? In all but the HP aspect, the commando is found severely lacking. Against average opponents it can shine, but what suit can't? Throw it a proto min assault, however, and it will be melted in a fraction of a second, and the assault will have barely been scratched. Now, to be fair, it's not an assault suit, so it shouldn't perform well in the assault role, but still: it's not great at killing stuff. The best commandos I've seen are those that are rocking laser rifles (to make up for the lack of speed and to keep nimbler suits at bay) and dedicated AV platforms, mostly minmandos, because hey guess what - they're the quickest commando and they get to rock combat rifles and swarms. Delicious. It's the only one that works really well. The rest are pretty poor. And it's mainly due to the fact that it's a poorly conceived idea and a badly executed suit design. If you want to fix the commando just rip it all up and start again from scratch. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1	Posted - 2015.05.20 00:20:00 - [15] - Quote Remove commandos, free up resources, give assaults 2 light weapon slots, and their respective commando bonuses. Fixed.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1	Posted - 2015.05.20 00:39:00 - [16] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: It's almost as if yall are forgetting that commandos carry two light weapons. Any buff to the commando will make it op as hell. Now don't get me wrong, I'm totally onboard for making commandos op, I run em all the time :) The only reason you think that is because you run MinComs...which aren't OP: Combat Rifles are, however. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Sennina Sovereign ROGUE RELICS 67	Posted - 2015.05.20 00:52:00 - [17] - Quote From my experience with that Calmando, halve its recharge delay and depleted recharge delay. RECHARGE DELAY OLD: 8 seconds; NEW: 4 seconds DEPLETED RECHARGE DELAY OLD: 6 seconds; NEW: 3 seconds Also can we give it a shield rep of 40 hp. That'd be nice.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 836	Posted - 2015.05.20 01:01:00 - [18] - Quote It is a heavy suit. Let it use heavy weapons. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 836	Posted - 2015.05.20 01:02:00 - [19] - Quote Sennina Sovereign wrote: From my experience with that Calmando, halve its recharge delay and depleted recharge delay. RECHARGE DELAY OLD: 8 seconds; NEW: 4 seconds DEPLETED RECHARGE DELAY OLD: 6 seconds; NEW: 3 seconds Also can we give it a shield rep of 40 hp. That'd be nice. This. So much yes to this. Agree 100% Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 449	Posted - 2015.05.20 01:23:00 - [20] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: It's almost as if yall are forgetting that commandos carry two light weapons. Any buff to the commando will make it op as hell. Now don't get me wrong, I'm totally onboard for making commandos op, I run em all the time :) You realize the only way you could possible make them op that way would be for the gallente and minmatar to have a better option than av right? The amarr only hav 3 weapons, of which all are ....meh.... On commandos. And calmandos are mostly used for sniping. 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Weekly YES OR NO

GeorgeN76 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2015.05.20 01:24:00 - [21] - Quote They def need more speed & stamina Scouts and Swarms
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6	Posted - 2015.05.20 01:26:00 - [22] - Quote Assaults and logis having a fear factor? ***** please. Commandos have nasty all-around damage. If the guns don't get you, the melee will. Some details can be ignored
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 449	Posted - 2015.05.20 01:37:00 - [23] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Assaults and logis having a fear factor? ***** please. Commandos have nasty all-around damage. If the guns don't get you, the melee will. Melee on a commando? Never heard of it. My dual scrambler pistols always kill them before they can even reload or get near me. * pulls out scrambler pistol and headshot a him, then waste to mags of ammo destroying the commando and laughing at his crappy useless dropsuit. 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Weekly YES OR NO
Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 822	Posted - 2015.05.20 01:43:00 - [24] - Quote If you see the commando coming, then it's just too easy to step away and plug that fat head of his full of holes. Give them a cloak, however, and that haymaker suddenly becomes a high risk/high reward weapon in the commandos arsenal. They'd be the other side of the coin to the scout role; both are capable of moving into positions that other suits can't, but whereas the scout attacks quickly with burst alpha damage before withdrawing in haste, the commando unleashes a punishing stream of damage from a flanking position, or blaps an entrenched tank with a shot to its weaker rear plating, and isn't afraid to take some return fire in the process. A thinking man's assault suit, if you will. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1	Posted - 2015.05.20 01:57:00 - [25] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: It is a heavy suit. Let it use heavy weapons. I suggested this months ago and there was much hate. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.05.20 02:29:00 - [26] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: It is a heavy suit. Let it use heavy weapons. I suggested this months ago and there was much hate. Dual Heavy Weapons? Assault HMG // Assault Forge Gun Combo. Lol
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 725	Posted - 2015.05.20 02:41:00 - [27] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: You what it's missing? A fear factor. Heavies are known to tank and shred you with hmgs or one hit your lav and wipe you out Assaults are known for quickly and effectively taking out targets Scouts are known for their deadly knives and shotguns. Logis- aren't really fighters but we all hate jumpy mass drivers. Commandos? Aside from the minmatar and gallente with good av, they suck, can't stack as much hp as assaults, can't rep as quick, can't run as fast, can't hack as fast, and kill as fast, any jump as high, They suck and have really no fear factor. Plus they are SUPER SQUISHY. So what can be done about them? Idk. That's up for everyone to decide. Keep in mind that the main focus would be caldar and amarr commandos as the min/gal are effective at av WHAT IF we got rid of commandos, gave assaults 2 light weapons, took away those side arms, and made them the true assault/suppressors? And to balance them out against other dropsuits, take away the damage bonus. Give scouts/heavies a bonus to sidearms to make those counter the assaults light weapons? Look at it like this Assault- 2 light small bonus to both weapons. 1.racial bonus Scout- 1 light- 1 side arm. Side arm damage bonus (to counter second light weapons of assaults Heavy- 1 heavy, change their side arm to a light weapon or keep side arm of you feel it will be op. If you do give heavy light, give scout a second side arm. The last and final option would be to remove them. They are all effective at AV, the swarm bonus isnt THAT big of a deal. The problem is they are slow, fat, scannable, and with low HP, often they are run with AV or a sniper rifle alternate light weapon so you also have no "sidearm" when in ~half the fits commandos are used for. Im not sure how I would fix these suits, giving them all significantly better regen would be a good first step, all kinds of regen. Native armor reps, some decent shield regen (20-40 shp/s or so for all of them depending on which suit), and much quicker regen delays. The Cal Commando in particular needs a ~1-3 second depleted delay like the cal sentinel/scout.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9	Posted - 2015.05.20 03:04:00 - [28] - Quote Checkout their usage rates: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Recommendation: +1 Low Slot (all races, all tiers) + PG/CPU Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 441	Posted - 2015.05.20 10:45:00 - [29] - Quote What they need is extra survivability. They're fine in terms of damage and tactical role, the problem is simply how easy they are to kill. Survivability comes from two things : - The ability to avoid trouble - The ability to get out of trouble Commandos are the suckiest of all suits at both (even logis are better). They should get a buff in each of these categories. The first one can be achieved by an ewar buff, they need to be stealthier and have at least the scan precision of assaults. For the second one, a slight speed buff and a regen buff should be enough. Having the sentinel slot layout (so a fifth module) would also be justified. Sentinel has 1 heavy weapon and one sidearm, commando two light weapons. Fair Sentinel has grenades, commandos has equipment. Fair Sentinel has 5 modules, commandos 4. Why?
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 87	Posted - 2015.05.20 11:59:00 - [30] - Quote Okay a little info...... I love heavy class suits..... commando being one of the heavies I run......I have skilled into every weapon and every suit.... even though I go on sprees using commandos..... I gave up on the amarr commando and Caldari..... i couldn't find an effective fit for the amarr. The Caldari just had so little pg..... Overall the United problem with them is their slow speed,shield regain (for the minmitar and especially Caldari), Ewar is useless on them, and just the inability to really frontline using any of them. One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?



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