1. The wiggle dance has more or less replaced tactical movement and use of cover.

2. I'd like to be able to turn off AA and aim please.

What Adipem said.

The strafing is utter stupidity. I can and have used it to win firefights, simply because if I don't I won't be able to kill the enemy who is strafing ridiculously fast enough. It's a bad mechanic and it sure as hell is not 'gun game.'

Would be more effective to remove hipfire magic sights

Problem ******* solved for reals

Well yeah, that could help too. The problems with current strafing are many: accuracy while moving is way too high; strafing speed is way too fast - using stationary cover and trying to aim is worthless comparatively.

Reducing accuracy while moving would go a long way to help rid Dust of dance offs in the middle of a firefight.

Alright, since it appears that actual inertia is off the table, can we have the strafe speeds reverted to 60% of base momove speed?

The wiggle dance has more or less replaced tactical movement and use of cover.

The mechanics here are terrible and damaging to players for whom ability to aim and fight properly has been replaced by needing to load up aim assist to compensate.

I'd like to be able to turn off AA and aim please.

Strafing is and has been a staple of FPS gameplay for some time and it's strength is amplified on a console shooter due to the natural imprecision of the control pad as a method for control in an FPS. Dust further reinforces movement as it's primary defense for various reasons.

I'm far more concerned with the bunny hoppers who can jump anything up to 2-3 stories high than I am with strafing. The use of cover is dangerous in this game as you can be one-shotted with a great deal of ease even when pretty well tanked and warbarge strikes further compound issues with cover (barring snipers and other distance campers obviously) so that movement is just the best defense you can have. Part of that is the "wiggle dance" you seem to hate.

People do so much damage that even in cover, any angle you can be shot at will kill you, with the general ineffectiveness of the radar (to encourage scanning, a very clever mechanic), no cover is truly safe as it would be in a more traditional FPS like one of the Halo Series for example. All of this pushes down the trend towards cover and tactical movement and pushes up the use of strafing and semi-randomised movement in the game. Combine this with remote explosives and mass drivers and other large splash damage weapons and cover is a very dangerous place to be, not inherently, but just because standing in one place is generally suicide.

If you want to push it back the other way then you need to do more than just nerf movement, cover has to be reasonable and safer than it currently is. I have no idea how you would implement it, but I would buff cover so that if you're shot when you're in cover you get a form of damage resistance/hardening to your shields/armour. Cover dampens damage that comes from the side you are in cover or something similar to that. Off the top of my head I can't think of a reasonable way to implement this but I'm sure people here would have other ideas for buffing cover.

Here's what strafing looked like before wiggle-wiggle was introduced:
https://youtu.be/PYXffQMXXxM?t=74

^ Deliberate evasive maneuvers. Quite effective when done right, and quite different from gyrating in place while spraying aim-assisted hipfire.

Here's what strafing looked like before wiggle-wiggle was introduced:
https://youtu.be/PYXffQMXXxM?t=74

^ Deliberate evasive maneuvers. Quite effective when done right, and quite different from gyrating in place while spraying aim-assisted hipfire.

The wiggle glitch detection problem surfaced when strafing was buffed to 90% base movement. Now the wiggle has replaced the proper use of cover, and intelligent movement entirely.

If there was an inertia simulation, the wiggle strafe wouldnt be a problem even at that unrealistic movement. The human body can track an opponent whiwho is properly constrained by physics.

Strafing by itself isnot, nor never has been a problem. The fact that there is no acceleration or deceleration when changing directions is the problem.

DUST is pretty much the only game developed in the last decade with multiplayer where the lack of strafing inertia is a thing.

This lack of inertia allows players to create hit detection artifacting that is thoroighly detrimental to gameplay while enjoying reticle magnetism to insure their own shots are dead on with aim assist.

The wiggle strafing was almost impossible when strafe moves were at 60% base movement. Hit detection was bad, but it was possible to reliable kill soneone who decided to dance in front of you.

The wiggle glitch detection problem surfaced when strafing was buffed to 90% base movement. Now the wiggle has replaced the proper use of cover, and intelligent movement entirely.

If there was an inertia simulation, the wiggle strafe wouldnt be a problem even at that unrealistic movement. The human body can track an opponent whiwho is properly constrained by physics.

This.
Sideways movement (aka, strafing) is perfectly acceptable, but the current version of the game has it being the best way to survive/win a gunfight as opposed to actually thinking about how you're engaging your opponent (aka, using cover, moving tactically to put your opponent at a disadvantage, ETD) and that is a problem.

As Breakin Stuff said, if inertia existed on dropsuits (again) then people would be able to track properly, immediately reducing the effectiveness of wiggling in place and increasing the value and utility of cover, while rewarding the use of your brain (by rewarding forward thinking when engaging an enemy) as well as rewarding manual dexterity (by rewarding the one with the best aim.)

None of your points address the problem. The ability to break hit detection on primary weapons regardless of range or skill is game diminishing.

AoE area denial weapons do less DPS than any of the rifles, the HMG or laser rifles. If you can draw a bead and hit you can kill them faster than they can kill you.

Area denial weapons are NOT a justification for keeping a mechanic that is only useful when encountering a automatic weapon.

Moving through cover has alealways been the best defense against mass drivers and forge guns. This lazy, easy movement exploit detracts from the game. It adds nothing to the game except the potential for exploiting the lackluster hit detection.

And bluntly AoE splash weapons exist to FLUSH THE RATS OUT OF COVER.

Right tool for the right job. Right now every tool is used as a run 'n gun twitch toy rather than a tactical choice.

You cannot physically track a target unconstraines by inertia. It is medical impossibility.

And movement and cover must be combined, not one chosen over the other.

AoE weapons and your problems with them have NOTHING to do with the topic. If you have nothing relevant or useful to add move along.

Looks pretty much like what I see in-game currently to me. What is it you are unhappy with in that case?

The video above was recorded in Chromosome, where (iirc) strafe speed was set to 60% of movement speed, HP pools were around half of today's and aim-assist was yet to have been implemented. I have no issue whatsoever with the deliberate evasive maneuvers illustrated above; the ability to place shots on target while executing these maneuvers absolutely and invariably required skill. What we see above is quite different from what we see today.

Today, strafe speed is set to 90% of movement speed. Speed is perhaps not a problem on its own, but combined with Dust's lack of inertia/acceleration and today's higher HP levels, players are afforded opportunity to defy physics and (for example) evade a high percentage of point-blank HMG fire by "wiggling" in place. Unlike strafing, there is no thought or deliberate effort put into wiggling; players simply gyrate and spray while aim-assist aims for them.

To answer your question directly, I am unhappy with the fact that players (myself included) are being rewarded for maximizing the effects of bad mechanics. I'm of the opinion that player skill, practice, planning and positioning should play a greater part in the outcome of a given fight than my ability to wiggle around while a robot aims my gun.

TL;DR: Wiggling =/= Strafing

Fixing hit detection means jack if you cannot center the reticle on the target long enough to put rounds in him.

Because of how the glitch works even if hit detection were perfect, because there is no inertia to allow the shooter to react to the sudden direction change there will continue to be players who dadance between bullets.

Either inertia (aacceleration and deceleration when you change direction) needs to be added or strafing speed needs to be dropped.

Honestly the current strafing speed means that uncooked grenades will never be a significant threat and that it will always be easy to dance to the edge of splash falloff.

Please tell me how this mechanic adds depth to the game other than adding another way for stat padding morons to push their KD rating without having to resort to actual thought or skill?

[qFix the cause and fix the hit detection in the game. It's the harder thing to fix, there's no denying that, but it's also the right fix because it fixes far more issues than this in the game.