What I said is no more anecdotal than your claim that opportunities cannot arise unless the sniper has massive range due to snipers only working with bird eye view vantage points as inferred from your response to shortening its range for more stopping power and stability.

Currently the SR does not fill the role I suggested particularly well due to low stability/power. If it did "worked" as we were describing it, then we would not be advocating any changes, would we?

So lets not resort to cheap talking points. Clearly we are talking about repurposing the SR, in which case we can argue how we want to repurpose it (and people can disagree with it). The fact that I can give a demonstration in where it could be made stronger is not anecdotal in the slightest, we are talking theoretical here not current mechanics.

The reason for our argument is to bring the SR into the fold within Dust's culture, because as it stands, Dust's player base has zero desire to help the SR at all due to the perceived "zero risk", and is willing to hurt players who participate in the play style. Sniping is currently useless due to this relationship.

So this is what we were trying to rectify.

with your proposal the only thing that could possibly happen is the -reduction- in potential sniping spots.

No, opportunities -cannot arise- if we -reduce the means by which they could arise-, that much is a solid fact

How do I know? Because that's exactly what happened the last time the range was reduced.

Again, your basing your argument off a complete nerf vs a trade off which we are suggesting. When something is nerfed absolutely, it will absolutely decrease in utility. Results will vary if you buff one aspect but nerf another. While you may disagree with the suggestion, your example of how you know is comparing apples to oranges.



And just for the record, I enjoyed the game as a non sniper before the sniper nerf. About half the team were snipers, but that was more interesting than what we currently have where 90% of the team uses a front line rifle. You had to take cover more and it made battles interesting as a shotgunner at the time (before the sp reset). So your ideal for more range is not what I'm against specifically.

My main critique is one of practically with achieving a SR buff without some take away. If you think you get CCP moving without anything being giving up then that's great. I just don't think its going to happen without something to get people to back off of a SR buff.

There was a trade-off. Less range for higher headshot damage, new reticles, etc. That didn't make the situation any better it just knocked out a lot of would-be snipers who were trying it out to see if it was worth using (pro-tip, it's not). Sniper Rifles are like Scouts suits, they're absolutely worthless early on and the higher in progression you get the more viable they are until you get to the Thale's which was OP because of a scope (lol, I still think that notion is hilarious).

The sniper rifle needs to act like a sniper rifle. It needs to hit reliably (something it doesn't because hit detection gets reaaaal screwy past a certain range), it needs to hit hard, and it needs to hit from far away. Nerfing the range for -any- kind of trade-off is going to reduce the usability of the weapon because it just way too freaggin hard to use as it is.

The only way I'd -ever- except -yet another- range nerf is if you don't have scope sway from standing up, maybe even while moving. A "rolling sniper" needs to be mobile and that's nigh impossible when you have to find an area with which you can get a clear shot off with relative safety because as much as the community would ***** that it's low risk, it's anything but when you have to rely on a sidearm to defend yourself and very rarely ever have first shot. Further more, you can't be a "rolling sniper" when you're constantly having to fiddle with the sway while standing and having to wait for it to go away while crouching, leaving you a sitting duck.

IF the community wants a mobile sniper, I'm all for it, but they better be -MOBILE-

When you're redlined by the enemy team and trying to support your squad moving up with sniper fire and a blue-dot decides you're the sole reason they're losing and wastes time by:

- Standing in front of you
- Shooting in front of you with a high-flash weapon (ASCR)
- Pushing you around with an LAV
- Blowing said LAV up because he realizes it can hurt you despite there not being friendly fire
- Calling in an LAV on top of you
- Constantly throwing grenades next to you to cause camera shake
- Realizing they can waste all your nanohives by constantly throwing grenades

For real, the precedent you guys have set for Snipers - even snipers that are actually trying to turn things around by supporting their team as they move up in an already red-lined match - is just disgusting. This community has put such a negative light on redline snipers that even when you're 5-capped, out-numbered, and out-classed you will STILL be the lowest of the low instead of a valuable asset to the team.

Literally all you have to do is tell a half-decent sniper where you're wanting to breach and they can force just about anyone guarding the area into cover, which means -you- can move up and stomp them. But, feel free to waste time by doing any of the listed things because clearly said sniper isn't doing anything useful.

Be sure not to hit the inertia dampeners on your way out of the MCC.

Go run at a wall of infantry when you're redlined without sniper support and see how well that plays out for you.

Be sure to record it so we can laugh at how stupid you are for dying over and over again.

The OP suggests that he was only sniping in the first place BECAUSE he was redlined.

Snipers are pretty much worthless. Anything a sniper can do (read: suppression), any other role/suit/weapon can do better.