That's hilarious.

Thanks for the tips, bro!

The OP suggests that he was only sniping in the first place BECAUSE he was redlined.

Snipers are pretty much worthless. Anything a sniper can do (read: suppression), any other role/suit/weapon can do better.

red lined = pro scout fully dampen . uplinks ........ poof no more red line lol .

The ScR functions like a high power short range sniper rifle. Its what I use if I want to be a "sniper", clears out shields and you can use a bolt pistol to clean up, its also easier to aim for headshots too, fixing the sniper rifle to be more within the line of the Laser rifle is not a radical suggestion.

Dont you relegate my LR to a ******* cowards weapon, its perfect as is >:[

Why not just accept that it's a useless role?

This new player you speak of would be better off as a gunner in a tank.

I actually think this would be a dramatic way to improve the sniper role and how it plays out in the game. Even 250 to 300m the sniper rifle would outrange 90% of the weapons on the field while still being far enough away from the fight to encourage tactical play.

The extreme ranges of the current sniper rifle tend to encourage bad habits that are further exacerbated by the redline design.

last i checked 600m is 6 times the range of other light weapons, even if you halve it and remove/reduce the sway you would still outrange them by a factor of 3

Which is why I support it the change the sniper rifle as that is an easier fix, I also agree with the 250-300 effective range.




Correct, but it would help in the role of the "rolling sniper". Essentially instead of an awesome vantage point, you get awesome positioning on your enemy which is effective with the "trench warfare" that frequently occurs. It is absolutely no different than a using the LR. Most of my sniper kills this way were in about the 150-300 range.

Plenty of opportunity to find targets in this manner without being dependent on map vantage points. Its also more fun and dynamic than vantage point sitting. To have the SR designed more around this role would make it even better.

What I said is no more anecdotal than your claim that opportunities cannot arise unless the sniper has massive range due to snipers only working with bird eye view vantage points as inferred from your response to shortening its range for more stopping power and stability.

Currently the SR does not fill the role I suggested particularly well due to low stability/power. If it did "worked" as we were describing it, then we would not be advocating any changes, would we?

So lets not resort to cheap talking points. Clearly we are talking about repurposing the SR, in which case we can argue how we want to repurpose it (and people can disagree with it). The fact that I can give a demonstration in where it could be made stronger is not anecdotal in the slightest, we are talking theoretical here not current mechanics.

The reason for our argument is to bring the SR into the fold within Dust's culture, because as it stands, Dust's player base has zero desire to help the SR at all due to the perceived "zero risk", and is willing to hurt players who participate in the play style. Sniping is currently useless due to this relationship.

So this is what we were trying to rectify.

Again, your basing your argument off a complete nerf vs a trade off which we are suggesting. When something is nerfed absolutely, it will absolutely decrease in utility. Results will vary if you buff one aspect but nerf another. While you may disagree with the suggestion, your example of how you know is comparing apples to oranges.



And just for the record, I enjoyed the game as a non sniper before the sniper nerf. About half the team were snipers, but that was more interesting than what we currently have where 90% of the team uses a front line rifle. You had to take cover more and it made battles interesting as a shotgunner at the time (before the sp reset). So your ideal for more range is not what I'm against specifically.

My main critique is one of practically with achieving a SR buff without some take away. If you think you get CCP moving without anything being giving up then that's great. I just don't think its going to happen without something to get people to back off of a SR buff.