Only good sniper is the Thale's.

AFK.
TKing
Wasting time by messing with snipers.

Leave the snipers be and go fight, messing them up will do nothing except make them more helpful than you.

Funny you would post, I dropped you a couple of times in one match unless there is more than on person with the "thor##" name. You had to come hunt me down and empty the magazine on me, talk about a butthurt revenge kill. In the last 11 matches, Dom and Skirm, I have 105K, 21A and 8D so I have not helped out one bit as a sniper. I snipe from spots that are between the redline boundaries or to the sides of the map. I have sat at the point with light suit,sniper/pistol defending and dropping spawn and ammo on maps that I am no help from 400m. The people that do nothing for the team stand in front of snipers, knock them off buildings or stand in front of them. They do nothing to win, just cause people to quit playing. You know they guy in high school that kept getting their a55 kicked by the middle school girls for their lunch money and do crap like you do to feel like they have a set of usable balls.

It's true that the "anti sniper" people who think they're "trolling" the "most useless class" always forget that they are even more useless than snipers.

I mean seriously. Their aim is horrendous even at point-blank range.

People who use snipers tend too be far more accurate when they switch out to other infantry modes, that the "trolls" suddenly are just backyard junk. I mean seriously, the "trollers" aim is so awful, they'd need to practice with a sniper rifle to fix it, but of course they won't do that, because they're just idiots to begin with. So eh.
I guess that's why they troll in the first place. They know they are useless, and they have nothing else to do.

It's kind of sad, when the only kill they can get in a game, is on an ally that isn't moving.

Honestly I'd rather TK these people. Aren't snipers basically AFK anyway?

You guys can all gun for me, I don't care. I'll just hang out behind cover at one of the many objectives that are being left alone.

You want to be spawn camped by snipers on your own team? Strange request kid.



If you're on an objective the mobile snipers can more than easily take you out. The only ones who couldn't are in the redline still.

By the time I'm doing this the match is long lost. They are usually sitting at 1 or 2 kills and a couple deaths with less than 200 WP.

Honestly I'd rather TK these people. Aren't snipers basically AFK anyway?

By the time you are doing this, you are assuming the game is long lost.

I have hate matches won due to snipers keeping reds off the objective. (I am a Scout, and a Assault. I have a sniper fit, although I rarely ever use it.)

No, as they are active, just like you. TKing is by far one of the lowest things someone can do, and you feel justified for doing it to people you deem worthless?

Get your ass back out there and attempt to win, instead of being less useful than the snipers you attack.

Newb snipers may being unable to successfully push and thus move to Sniping to enjoy the game.
Not only are you ruining the game for yourself, but for others too.

Simply do what I do, drop them a hive or two and leave. It lights them up for other snipers that you can kill (due to them being red) and gives you WP.

Why not just accept that it's a useless role?

This new player you speak of would be better off as a gunner in a tank.

Or just giving the Laser Rifle a scope and a range buff and making it a really awesome sniper rifle that rewards staying on target instead of maybe kinda/sorta getting lucky with hit detection.

AFK.
TKing
Wasting time by messing with snipers.

Leave the snipers be and go fight, messing them up will do nothing except make them more helpful than you.

When you're redlined by the enemy team and trying to support your squad moving up with sniper fire and a blue-dot decides you're the sole reason they're losing and wastes time by:

- Standing in front of you
- Shooting in front of you with a high-flash weapon (ASCR)
- Pushing you around with an LAV
- Blowing said LAV up because he realizes it can hurt you despite there not being friendly fire
- Calling in an LAV on top of you
- Constantly throwing grenades next to you to cause camera shake
- Realizing they can waste all your nanohives by constantly throwing grenades

For real, the precedent you guys have set for Snipers - even snipers that are actually trying to turn things around by supporting their team as they move up in an already red-lined match - is just disgusting. This community has put such a negative light on redline snipers that even when you're 5-capped, out-numbered, and out-classed you will STILL be the lowest of the low instead of a valuable asset to the team.

Literally all you have to do is tell a half-decent sniper where you're wanting to breach and they can force just about anyone guarding the area into cover, which means -you- can move up and stomp them. But, feel free to waste time by doing any of the listed things because clearly said sniper isn't doing anything useful.

When you're redlined by the enemy team and trying to support your squad moving up with sniper fire and a blue-dot decides you're the sole reason they're losing and wastes time by:

- Standing in front of you
- Shooting in front of you with a high-flash weapon (ASCR)
- Pushing you around with an LAV
- Blowing said LAV up because he realizes it can hurt you despite there not being friendly fire
- Calling in an LAV on top of you
- Constantly throwing grenades next to you to cause camera shake
- Realizing they can waste all your nanohives by constantly throwing grenades

For real, the precedent you guys have set for Snipers - even snipers that are actually trying to turn things around by supporting their team as they move up in an already red-lined match - is just disgusting. This community has put such a negative light on redline snipers that even when you're 5-capped, out-numbered, and out-classed you will STILL be the lowest of the low instead of a valuable asset to the team.

Literally all you have to do is tell a half-decent sniper where you're wanting to breach and they can force just about anyone guarding the area into cover, which means -you- can move up and stomp them. But, feel free to waste time by doing any of the listed things because clearly said sniper isn't doing anything useful.

I bet you if we cut its range and uped its stability and stopping power people would lose their argument line and still whine all the same.

I actually think this would be a dramatic way to improve the sniper role and how it plays out in the game. Even 250 to 300m the sniper rifle would outrange 90% of the weapons on the field while still being far enough away from the fight to encourage tactical play.

The extreme ranges of the current sniper rifle tend to encourage bad habits that are further exacerbated by the redline design.

Redline is the problem, not the rifle. Any more of a range nerf and the Sniper Rifle might as well be removed from the game.

last i checked 600m is 6 times the range of other light weapons, even if you halve it and remove/reduce the sway you would still outrange them by a factor of 3

snipers that are actually trying to turn things around by supporting their team

snipers

supporting their team

I actually think this would be a dramatic way to improve the sniper role and how it plays out in the game. Even 250 to 300m the sniper rifle would outrange 90% of the weapons on the field while still being far enough away from the fight to encourage tactical play.

The extreme ranges of the current sniper rifle tend to encourage bad habits that are further exacerbated by the redline design.

Comparing weapon ranges isn't the problem, it's trying to snipe from any sort of vantage point what so ever. 300m might sound cheeky because you use a shorter range rifle and you want to get back at the sniper but imagine what it's like to try to cover an outside objective from an outpost.

There's not many sniper spots as it is ever since the -last- range nerf and I don't think you guys are considering (rather, I don't think you even care) what it'll be like if there's -another- range nerf.

Snipers are useless now.

I am saddened by this, but they are. They are also constantly shamed for trying to play the hardest role in the game.

Has anyone ever thought about how terrible the SR's Hit Detection is? How they will have dropships hunting them? That they must have to perfect spot to avoid getting killed?

The true shame should be directed towards those who direct it towards Snipers.

Well... except for Commando Snipers... those guys are really only there for KDR.

Which is why I support it the change the sniper rifle as that is an easier fix, I also agree with the 250-300 effective range.




Correct, but it would help in the role of the "rolling sniper". Essentially instead of an awesome vantage point, you get awesome positioning on your enemy which is effective with the "trench warfare" that frequently occurs. It is absolutely no different than a using the LR. Most of my sniper kills this way were in about the 150-300 range.

Plenty of opportunity to find targets in this manner without being dependent on map vantage points. Its also more fun and dynamic than vantage point sitting. To have the SR designed more around this role would make it even better.

Anecdotal evidence does not facilitate a global change. Glad it works for you. Doesn't work for everyone.