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Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2535	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:50:00 - [1] - Quote Was the intention to allow prototype to be placed on these things? I know the fitting is kind of low at the moment, but... I can stick on proto weapons now, even complex modules... like... the fitting capacity can be bumped up easily with PG and CPU modules, and then you're pretty much free to put anything you want on them, while removing the cost of the suit you're modifying. I like the fact that I can put my skin on it, but I'm not sure if allowing all module, equipment and weapon levels was a good idea. My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1467	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:53:00 - [2] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Was the intention to allow prototype to be placed on these things? I know the fitting is kind of low at the moment, but... I can stick on proto weapons now, even complex modules... like... the fitting capacity can be bumped up easily with PG and CPU modules, and then you're pretty much free to put anything you want on them, while removing the cost of the suit you're modifying. I like the fact that I can put my skin on it, but I'm not sure if allowing all module, equipment and weapon levels was a good idea. uh oh.. when this happen.. just looked, and you are right... did I miss an update?

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 21951	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:53:00 - [3] - Quote send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2975	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:56:00 - [4] - Quote I think that cpu/pg upgrade modules need to be disallowed for apex suits. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2535	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:58:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. Freedom is one thing, but this can't be intentional. I've got over 800eHP on a Minmatar assault, advanced weapon, 11 armor repair rate... the thing is easily as good as an advanced suit, but it only costs 29K Isk to restock. It's a bit insane, given my Quafe Gallente assault costs 21K to restock. You've just got so much fitting room given a CPU and PG module. It easily puts them up to advanced suits in level. My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 356	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:04:00 - [6] - Quote Interesting *I'm ScReWeD uP* New To Dust? Sign Up
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1468	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:15:00 - [7] - Quote Spartan Assault Highs- 1 Complex PG upgrade 2 Complex dmg modifier Weapons- Duvolle Assault Rifle 'wildlight" ion pistol Lows- 1 Enhanced armor repairer 1 Complex CPU upgrade 2 Enhanced reactive plates 1 federation Basic Armor plate grenade- Core Locus grenade equipment - "torrent" nanohive This fit leaves it with only 3 CPU left, no PG very tight.. and a bit slow.. but the firepower on it is where it shines. 194 shields/517 Armor with 14.75 hp/s regen
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1468	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:16:00 - [8] - Quote so it seems it is at least at the moment, a desicion of either.. great tank or great firepower.. we can;t have both like you would a normal Proto. Might need some tweaking, but it's certainly not comparable to real proto ability. I wouldn't worry too much.. maybe shave off 2 PG and 7 CPU /shrug

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 21958	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:22:00 - [9] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Spartan Assault Highs- 1 Complex PG upgrade 2 Complex dmg modifier Weapons- Duvolle Assault Rifle 'wildlight" ion pistol Lows- 1 Enhanced armor repairer 1 Complex CPU upgrade 2 Enhanced reactive plates 1 federation Basic Armor plate grenade- Core Locus grenade equipment - "torrent" nanohive This fit leaves it with only 3 CPU left, no PG very tight.. and a bit slow.. but the firepower on it is where it shines. 194 shields/517 Armor with 14.75 hp/s regen oh , and this sob still costs 91k.. so it aint exactly free run around willy nilly blastin.. it comes with a price gonna try tank over fire fit next. It's good but not proto good, not even close. I doubt it is even close to ADV good, but thanks, this is why we were looking at fitting upgrades. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 963	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:27:00 - [10] - Quote To be honest its surely better then standard but not better then advanced. Cause you have much better fitting on advanced suits then you have on the apex. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!

Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1470	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:28:00 - [11] - Quote very little room in tank ability unless I want to move like a slug ( Federation spartan assault) PG seems right.. it might be the CPU needing attention for the complex dmg mod stacking and stuff when trying for tank, I don't get a significant difference as I run out of PG quick , but have a substantial amount of CPU left over almost 100
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1470	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:30:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Spartan Assault Highs- 1 Complex PG upgrade 2 Complex dmg modifier Weapons- Duvolle Assault Rifle 'wildlight" ion pistol Lows- 1 Enhanced armor repairer 1 Complex CPU upgrade 2 Enhanced reactive plates 1 federation Basic Armor plate grenade- Core Locus grenade equipment - "torrent" nanohive This fit leaves it with only 3 CPU left, no PG very tight.. and a bit slow.. but the firepower on it is where it shines. 194 shields/517 Armor with 14.75 hp/s regen oh , and this sob still costs 91k.. so it aint exactly free run around willy nilly blastin.. it comes with a price gonna try tank over fire fit next. It's good but not proto good, not even close. I doubt it is even close to ADV good, but thanks, this is why we were looking at fitting upgrades. oh yes, I cerrtainly agree.. I would never run this thing tbh. it was a test fit to see what I could get out of it. If someone wants to run like this.. let them I say , lol. maybe a slight lowering in CPU , but it just wouldn't be a logical fit to use when I could shell out a little more isk for much better potential on another suit.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3403	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:38:00 - [13] - Quote Machine doesn't work? Add complexity! .emag nug ym tpecxe gnihtyreve sexif gnikamhctam RDK
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1470	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:42:00 - [14] - Quote you can do some nice full advanced fittings on it, but this thing will never be replaced by proto suits. It can replace the advanced.. for a very small savings in isk..very small with the extra spots being used up by PG/CPU upgrades, you can't get over the potential of an advanced suit.. only near equal, it still lacks the repair ability if you match the HP... (** hell not even close. just looked again at advanced fit I was comparing.. it has complex dmg mods, so it doesn't even come to 3/4 the potential of an advanced suit**) good job actually, Rattati , final opinion is.. working gives us room to make it a little better than the free , but not even able to surpass an advanced
Ice Royal Glantix PIanet Express Smart Deploy 117	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:11:00 - [15] - Quote Apex "Hawk" Scout 'Exile' Assault Rifle 'Toxin' ICD-9 SMG Flux Grenade Compact Nanohive Compact Nanohive Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Basic Profile Dampener Advanced Profile Dampener It's not as good as proto, but this is still a bit too powerful for 22k in my opinion. Removing the cloak saves a huge amount of fitting room, and is quite easy to abuse to create fits like this. "Solitude is not a burden; it is a gift, for independence allows us to realize our own potential." Glantix / Ice
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4522	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:11:00 - [16] - Quote Are PG upgrades a high slot now? Anywhoo, if I had to take a wild guess I'd say 1 complex dmg mod 1 Complex PG mod 1 krin dmg mod Duvolle 1 flaylock 3 basic plates 1 CPU upgrade 1 complex repair mod Good ehp and dmg At a reduced cost. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1473	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:14:00 - [17] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Are PG upgrades a high slot now? Anywhoo, if I had to take a wild guess I'd say 1 complex dmg mod 1 Complex PG mod 1 krin dmg mod Duvolle 1 flaylock 3 basic plates 1 CPU upgrade 1 complex repair mod Good ehp and dmg At a reduced cost. that threw me off for a second when I couldn;t find my PG upgrades for lows.. had to go re-do an old fit afterwards too , sadness.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 21996	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:20:00 - [18] - Quote Ice Royal Glantix wrote: Apex "Hawk" Scout 'Exile' Assault Rifle 'Toxin' ICD-9 SMG Flux Grenade Compact Nanohive Compact Nanohive Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Basic Profile Dampener Advanced Profile Dampener It's not as good as proto, but this is still a bit too powerful for 22k in my opinion. Removing the cloak saves a huge amount of fitting room, and is quite easy to abuse to create fits like this. removing the cloak should give zero extra fitting, that was a loophole that was to be addressed. It's late here in shanghai, will study this all tomorrow "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7323	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:25:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. It's there a way to lock them below a certain meta level?
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels Learning Alliance 184	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:25:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. you have more chance of the pentagon selling state secrets to north korea, i'm keeping my fittings to myself as sharing my fits with future opposition is just plain daft The chat channel 'player trade' is open for adding contacts and placing item advertisements in game.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9895	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:26:00 - [21] - Quote The Lion ElJonson wrote: You have more chance of the pentagon selling state secrets to north korea, i'm keeping my fittings to myself as sharing my fits with future opposition is just plain daft As Rattati queries your fittings via magical dev hax... @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 777	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:29:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. All of my fits are terrorfits! There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 777	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:32:00 - [23] - Quote I don't know if it is possible, but why not require BPOs only? I could put on a Quafe Mass Driver BPO, and a Militia Nanohive BPO, and not a Freedom Mass driver... Just an idea. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 182	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:36:00 - [24] - Quote The main concern I have for the APEX suits it that the marginalize the utility of basic bpos. Often times for similar or better fitting space, I have more slots. Fitting 2 complex repair modules on my basic commando was a difficult task, but fitting 3 enhanced ones can be done for less fitting. They end up being better than basic tier suits that I could make with a traditional bpo. Especially when weapons and modules overlap. Definitely makes my existing bpo suits obsolete. I did some math for the suits I didn't get yet, due to specific fitting preferences, and instead I can get them, and fit them better than previously. There are arguments to be made for tieracide, and that apex suits have tremendous up-front costs, so them being equivalent to advanced or less suits is acceptable. My main concern is that its hard to justify shelling out cash for that bpo you wanted, or get excited for one you recieved in a strongbox when you have an apex suit, or can get one. It also hurts the secondary resale value of old bpos as anything more than skins (after future adjustments make them into a skin/bpo). While I argueably recieved value from my old items, I doubt people will want to buy them in the future. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22007	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:09:00 - [25] - Quote CeeJ Mantis wrote: The main concern I have for the APEX suits it that the marginalize the utility of basic bpos. Often times for similar or better fitting space, I have more slots. Fitting 2 complex repair modules on my basic commando was a difficult task, but fitting 3 enhanced ones can be done for less fitting. They end up being better than basic tier suits that I could make with a traditional bpo. Especially when weapons and modules overlap. Definitely makes my existing bpo suits obsolete. I did some math for the suits I didn't get yet, due to specific fitting preferences, and instead I can get them, and fit them better than previously. There are arguments to be made for tieracide, and that apex suits have tremendous up-front costs, so them being equivalent to advanced or less suits is acceptable. My main concern is that its hard to justify shelling out cash for that bpo you wanted, or get excited for one you recieved in a strongbox when you have an apex suit, or can get one. It also hurts the secondary resale value of old bpos as anything more than skins (after future adjustments make them into a skin/bpo). While I argueably recieved value from my old items, I doubt people will want to buy them in the future. Good points "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23852	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:26:00 - [26] - Quote Heh, someone might actually use a fitting upgrade. Honestly I think APEXes should be restricted to just STD modules, if possible. The only problem with them was that some of them had suboptimal fits and they were inflexible, not a lack of power. APEXes were very useful items - now they've effectively been buffed so that they're at least equivalent to an ADV suit BPO. Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu Gallente Guide
Hijk Ratway Soldiers Of 0blivion 5	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:55:00 - [27] - Quote I think the change is great. You can build something of around advanced quality using your APEX and that sounds right since you either spent good money or a lot of time for one. They do decrease the value of the standard BPO suits (not the modules though). Personally I deleted my Task Murkon sentinel fits, and rebuilt using Apex Dominus. Do not have the same equipment, but Dominus is better. My Nomad fit is now Adv combat rifle Breach smg Krins damage mod -rest of high slots unchanged Compl shield reg Compl ferroscale Complex reactive Pre installed basic reactive Flux grenades Stable uplink Not the greatest but better than apex in all ways, and most importantly great fun fitting and playing. I think the change is awesome: 1) it will make vets far more likely to buy or grind for an apex suit (potential $$ or better fw) 2) news will want them as they can get better as you do 3) more people will be losing money with deaths as no one will go vanilla APEX if they can help it 4) protos are still clearly superior in every way if you can afford them 5) adv are still better for specific purposes but not as generalist due to missin slots 6) standard suits are not as good, but few you can quickly get out of them with dollars or fw time Those are my thoughts, and I believe this flexibility makes the game better and more competitive.
2Berries Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 863	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:58:00 - [28] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Heh, someone might actually use a fitting upgrade. Honestly I think APEXes should be restricted to just STD modules, if possible. The only problem with them was that some of them had suboptimal fits and they were inflexible, not a lack of power. APEXes were very useful items - now they've effectively been buffed so that they're at least equivalent to an ADV suit BPO. Isn't this against the intent on APEX suits? Seems like if i wait long enough we'll get full proto bpo's Evening Boys, Hows the water?
Dropship One DROPSHIP ONE OPERATIONS 4	Posted - 2015.05.07 17:16:00 - [29] - Quote Thanks CCP:(. Know I have to do another respec to skill out of Combat Rifes because I only skilled into them because of the APEX suits I purchased. But CCP knew that would happen, didn't you? OCD can be expensive.
Dropship One DROPSHIP ONE OPERATIONS 5	Posted - 2015.05.07 17:23:00 - [30] - Quote Amar APEX suits with Proto scramblers. Great:(

Apocalyptic Destroyer L.O.T.I.S. 481	Posted - 2015.05.07 17:29:00 - [31] - Quote Dropship One wrote: Amar APEX suits with Proto scramblers. Great:( Guess who was the only guy to get the Apex Amarr Commando :) This guy. I'll have fun frying you all with my laser from 100meters out and If any of you think of coming close I'll bring out my AScR True Amarr In Disguise Pain is Weakness Leaving the Body. In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.
Dropship One DROPSHIP ONE OPERATIONS 5	Posted - 2015.05.07 17:29:00 - [32] - Quote Does anyone know if you can duplicate a APEX suit? I haven't tried.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8438	Posted - 2015.05.07 17:33:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: CeeJ Mantis wrote: The main concern I have for the APEX suits it that the marginalize the utility of basic bpos. Often times for similar or better fitting space, I have more slots. Fitting 2 complex repair modules on my basic commando was a difficult task, but fitting 3 enhanced ones can be done for less fitting. They end up being better than basic tier suits that I could make with a traditional bpo. Especially when weapons and modules overlap. Definitely makes my existing bpo suits obsolete. I did some math for the suits I didn't get yet, due to specific fitting preferences, and instead I can get them, and fit them better than previously. There are arguments to be made for tieracide, and that apex suits have tremendous up-front costs, so them being equivalent to advanced or less suits is acceptable. My main concern is that its hard to justify shelling out cash for that bpo you wanted, or get excited for one you recieved in a strongbox when you have an apex suit, or can get one. It also hurts the secondary resale value of old bpos as anything more than skins (after future adjustments make them into a skin/bpo). While I argueably recieved value from my old items, I doubt people will want to buy them in the future. Good points I'll weight in here. Shogun sentinel. Freedom AHMG. I love that gun. Hat's off. it's lethal as hell without being god-tier, and the calsent is holding up smashingly well vs. armor tanks. Have yet to test the minsent. Honest opinion Rattati? I think a tiericide solution would be the answer. But I understand this would be a pain in the ass rework on the database and I imagine that's part of why it's a dirty word. if you did it, I would recommend making the PG/CPU increase based off of the dropsuit skill. So at level 0 you get the basic apex, and at level 5 you have a proto suit PG/CPU base and just increment it up. Make the APEX package come with a single BPO of each item included in the APEX fit, and put the individual BPOs onto the loyalty market for 40,000 LP. 4,000,000 ISK each (or the equivalent AUR cost). Or just enjoy the fact that APEX come with pre-loaded mods and regular BPOs do not. Especially since the APEX BPOs include fittings that cannot be found on the AURUM market. Lots of ways to play, and I'm actually enjoying the hell out of this change. Ok done spergin' about APEX. Off to shoot more mans and waste more HMGs on enemy squads who chew my ass up. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8438	Posted - 2015.05.07 17:35:00 - [34] - Quote Dropship One wrote: Does anyone know if you can duplicate a APEX suit? I haven't tried. You can. Just did it to check. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Dropship One DROPSHIP ONE OPERATIONS 5	Posted - 2015.05.07 17:41:00 - [35] - Quote Thanks. I'm tired of work getting in the way of DUST.
bogeyman m Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 458	Posted - 2015.05.07 18:57:00 - [36] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Heh, someone might actually use a fitting upgrade. Honestly I think APEXes should be restricted to just STD modules, if possible. The only problem with them was that some of them had suboptimal fits and they were inflexible, not a lack of power. APEXes were very useful items - now they've effectively been buffed so that they're at least equivalent to an ADV suit BPO. This^ Professional Logibro and avid AVer -- I support my team for the ISK, but I blow up vehicles for the LOLz.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3451	Posted - 2015.05.07 19:05:00 - [37] - Quote Wait what.... we can actually adjust our APEX suit's fitting now?! When did this happen!? OMG awesome, I've not long been home from work but damn! I need to get logged into DUST asap to check this out! Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
Anaheim Darko Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 452	Posted - 2015.05.07 19:26:00 - [38] - Quote Added proto uplinks. Check. Create another fit with proto light weapon. Check. Whilst I love it, the othe BPOs need some love now, or we'll see a nerf incoming next hotfix. Caldari Assault ck.0. Caldari Scout ck.0.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8438	Posted - 2015.05.07 19:32:00 - [39] - Quote Anaheim Darko wrote: Added proto uplinks. Check. Create another fit with proto light weapon. Check. Whilst I love it, the othe BPOs need some love now, or we'll see a nerf incoming next hotfix. doubt it. We're more likely to see a buff and AUR prices normalized, or the other BPOs replaced with SKINS and the APEX sub-pros replacing them. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5148	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:08:00 - [40] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Was the intention to allow prototype to be placed on these things? I know the fitting is kind of low at the moment, but... I can stick on proto weapons now, even complex modules... like... the fitting capacity can be bumped up easily with PG and CPU modules, and then you're pretty much free to put anything you want on them, while removing the cost of the suit you're modifying. I like the fact that I can put my skin on it, but I'm not sure if allowing all module, equipment and weapon levels was a good idea. Costs about 80k can make a std suit almost as good 20k that's an extra 4 deaths if you're poor Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

ROMULUS H3X research lab 518	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:20:00 - [41] - Quote Are you bloody serious? I went out of my way to not get an APEX suit because it's not customizable and non of the suits fit my playstyle, and now you went and made them custumizable? Screw you. I'm dead serious. Screw you. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Mr.Pepe Le Pew Art.of.Death 104	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:41:00 - [42] - Quote ROMULUS H3X wrote: Are you bloody serious? I went out of my way to not get an APEX suit because it's not customizable and non of the suits fit my playstyle, and now you went and made them custumizable? Screw you. I'm dead serious. Screw you. I don't understand your anger. Is it cause you're beating yourself up for not buying one when you had the chance? You can still buy them in the marketplace. CEO / Art.of.Death
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1727	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:39:00 - [43] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ice Royal Glantix wrote: Apex "Hawk" Scout 'Exile' Assault Rifle 'Toxin' ICD-9 SMG Flux Grenade Compact Nanohive Compact Nanohive Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Basic Profile Dampener Advanced Profile Dampener It's not as good as proto, but this is still a bit too powerful for 22k in my opinion. Removing the cloak saves a huge amount of fitting room, and is quite easy to abuse to create fits like this. removing the cloak should give zero extra fitting, that was a loophole that was to be addressed. It's late here in shanghai, will study this all tomorrow It shows as 0CPU/0PG on my Republic Tiger Scout. 'LR4-Trading' Protester
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1727	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:40:00 - [44] - Quote ROMULUS H3X wrote: Are you bloody serious? I went out of my way to not get an APEX suit because it's not customizable and non of the suits fit my playstyle, and now you went and made them custumizable? Screw you. I'm dead serious. Screw you. No FOTW for you. 'LR4-Trading' Protester
DozersMouse XIII Nos Nothi 1066	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:42:00 - [45] - Quote I think apex suits should only be able to swap current modules and weapons with other standard modules and weapons Shotgun me once, shame on me Shotgun me twice, scans on you
Quil Evrything Nos Nothi 2141	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:46:00 - [46] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: I think apex suits should only be able to swap current modules and weapons with other standard modules and weapons I may not disagree with you. however, I was suddenly hit by the discontinuity of the name. If that becomes the case... the name is then (once more) completely inappropriate. They are nowhere near the "Apex" of dropsuits :-}
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1727	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:50:00 - [47] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: I think apex suits should only be able to swap current modules and weapons with other standard modules and weapons I may not disagree with you. however, I was suddenly hit by the discontinuity of the name. If that becomes the case... the name is then (once more) completely inappropriate. They are nowhere near the "Apex" of dropsuits :-} No, just the apex of BPOs I guess. Only the AUR ones are actually called APEX, no dirty APEX label on mine only Republic, Federation and Imperial. 'LR4-Trading' Protester
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 290	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:54:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. Make APEX suits "cool" but don't give me the option of making them too powerful, perhaps make APEX's a separate category in suit fitting that does not count toward the 30 limit (this may be possible because APEXs have less options than the other suits) and allow very limited options such as flux or locus. Basic scanner or basic needle etc.
Mr.Pepe Le Pew Art.of.Death 105	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:50:00 - [49] - Quote Why do we post about APEX suits assuming there's something wrong with them? I read post after post suggesting different ideas on how to CHANGE them. As they are right now, they're not OP. Anyone who suggests anything is OP is taken from a small sample: your crappy gameplay. Just outsmart your opponent, take different routes, quite whining. If you think APEX is OP and you're constantly getting killed by them. Counter them. Sheesh. APEX suits are awesome now. They even out the playing field without the risk of losing too much isk. CEO / Art.of.Death
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1478	Posted - 2015.05.08 23:02:00 - [50] - Quote The Apex fit I settled with costs me 37k isk, my advanced which kicks it's ass... a whole 10k more thinking I might just upgrade the dmg mods on it and call it a day for that suit from now on.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8463	Posted - 2015.05.08 23:08:00 - [51] - Quote Mr.Pepe Le Pew wrote: Why do we post about APEX suits assuming there's something wrong with them? Hell dude, if this is wrong, I don't wanna be right. Seriously, this is more fun. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Balamob Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:12:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ice Royal Glantix wrote: Apex "Hawk" Scout 'Exile' Assault Rifle 'Toxin' ICD-9 SMG Flux Grenade Compact Nanohive Compact Nanohive Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Basic Profile Dampener Advanced Profile Dampener It's not as good as proto, but this is still a bit too powerful for 22k in my opinion. Removing the cloak saves a huge amount of fitting room, and is quite easy to abuse to create fits like this. removing the cloak should give zero extra fitting, that was a loophole that was to be addressed. It's late here in shanghai, will study this all tomorrow Not even the 40 cpu/7.5 pg when u have lvl 5 scout? exMAG vet. Sver faction
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5887	Posted - 2015.05.09 16:02:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. You did that the moment you removed risk vs reward from the ******* game. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8491	Posted - 2015.05.09 16:09:00 - [54] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. You did that the moment you removed risk vs reward from the ******* game. Do you ever have anything constructive to say? or do you just like shtposting? There's never enough sh*posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Yoda Boss Dem Durrty Boyz 42	Posted - 2015.05.09 16:43:00 - [55] - Quote I dont know what to say about this. Now I can run a 1000hp free suit and free modules with my boundless hmg. I'm just happy I have an lp apex to try it out on. It's actually 973hp cuz I had to fit the core grenade. My suit used to cost 150k. Just paying for the gun and grenades now. Thanks. Free BPO for New Recruits https://dust514.com/recruit/fCH9zc/ smokingdrinkingsmokingdrinking
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5888	Posted - 2015.05.09 18:26:00 - [56] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. You did that the moment you removed risk vs reward from the ******* game. Do you ever have anything constructive to say? or do you just like shtposting? Sure. Remove APEX from the game and refund the Aurum. Then put in an ISK destroyed stat so the meta can actually function like it was originally supposed to -- with schadenfreude being the primary motivation behind any engagement. You know, it being the sole thing* that has kept EVE as popular as it has throughout the years. There, something constructive. Shouldn't have had to say it, but I suppose posting a lot doesn't actually mean a person is entirely holistic. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Archer Killian A13 SHIELD 1	Posted - 2015.05.09 19:36:00 - [57] - Quote Apex suits... mmm, shiny "The best enemy is the one that shoots at you all game... and misses!" Dedicated Commando:- All races
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 973	Posted - 2015.05.09 21:46:00 - [58] - Quote Honestly i dont see a issue here. Just do tericide for dropsuits and call it a day. Give all Suits the same slot layout as proto so the only thing that gets better over tiers is PG/CPU. We have the same thing with tanks so why shouldnt this work with our dropsuits? If this would make it into the game then the apex suits have only a marginally advantage with slightly better PG/CPU then a standard suit. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5893	Posted - 2015.05.10 10:58:00 - [59] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Honestly i dont see a issue here. Just do tericide for dropsuits and call it a day. Give all Suits the same slot layout as proto so the only thing that gets better over tiers is PG/CPU. We have the same thing with tanks so why shouldnt this work with our dropsuits? If this would make it into the game then the apex suits have only a marginally advantage with slightly better PG/CPU then a standard suit. Contrary to popular belief, making everything the same does not actually make a game more interesting. For example proto suits of the armored variety can run 3 myo's. Lesser suits cannot. Very big difference in what is capable here, and if tiericide happened to them it would change how those suits are used in a big way for pubs. That's just one example. Plenty of low input mods that can be stacked for a specific role only currently available to proto. Usually banned for being too awesome.
cammando 007 Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 16	Posted - 2015.05.10 11:24:00 - [60] - Quote how about allowing them to use all modules but only factional modules could use a few tweakes though



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