DUST Search - Um, CCP... about the Apex...

CeeJ Mantis wrote:

The main concern I have for the APEX suits it that the marginalize the utility of basic bpos. Often times for similar or better fitting space, I have more slots. Fitting 2 complex repair modules on my basic commando was a difficult task, but fitting 3 enhanced ones can be done for less fitting. They end up being better than basic tier suits that I could make with a traditional bpo. Especially when weapons and modules overlap. Definitely makes my existing bpo suits obsolete. I did some math for the suits I didn't get yet, due to specific fitting preferences, and instead I can get them, and fit them better than previously.

There are arguments to be made for tieracide, and that apex suits have tremendous up-front costs, so them being equivalent to advanced or less suits is acceptable. My main concern is that its hard to justify shelling out cash for that bpo you wanted, or get excited for one you recieved in a strongbox when you have an apex suit, or can get one. It also hurts the secondary resale value of old bpos as anything more than skins (after future adjustments make them into a skin/bpo). While I argueably recieved value from my old items, I doubt people will want to buy them in the future.

"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 4 post(s)
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2535	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:50:00 - [1] - Quote Was the intention to allow prototype to be placed on these things? I know the fitting is kind of low at the moment, but... I can stick on proto weapons now, even complex modules... like... the fitting capacity can be bumped up easily with PG and CPU modules, and then you're pretty much free to put anything you want on them, while removing the cost of the suit you're modifying. I like the fact that I can put my skin on it, but I'm not sure if allowing all module, equipment and weapon levels was a good idea. My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1467	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:53:00 - [2] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Was the intention to allow prototype to be placed on these things? I know the fitting is kind of low at the moment, but... I can stick on proto weapons now, even complex modules... like... the fitting capacity can be bumped up easily with PG and CPU modules, and then you're pretty much free to put anything you want on them, while removing the cost of the suit you're modifying. I like the fact that I can put my skin on it, but I'm not sure if allowing all module, equipment and weapon levels was a good idea. uh oh.. when this happen.. just looked, and you are right... did I miss an update?

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 21951	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:53:00 - [3] - Quote send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2975	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:56:00 - [4] - Quote I think that cpu/pg upgrade modules need to be disallowed for apex suits. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2535	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:58:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. Freedom is one thing, but this can't be intentional. I've got over 800eHP on a Minmatar assault, advanced weapon, 11 armor repair rate... the thing is easily as good as an advanced suit, but it only costs 29K Isk to restock. It's a bit insane, given my Quafe Gallente assault costs 21K to restock. You've just got so much fitting room given a CPU and PG module. It easily puts them up to advanced suits in level. My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 356	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:04:00 - [6] - Quote Interesting *I'm ScReWeD uP* New To Dust? Sign Up
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1468	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:15:00 - [7] - Quote Spartan Assault Highs- 1 Complex PG upgrade 2 Complex dmg modifier Weapons- Duvolle Assault Rifle 'wildlight" ion pistol Lows- 1 Enhanced armor repairer 1 Complex CPU upgrade 2 Enhanced reactive plates 1 federation Basic Armor plate grenade- Core Locus grenade equipment - "torrent" nanohive This fit leaves it with only 3 CPU left, no PG very tight.. and a bit slow.. but the firepower on it is where it shines. 194 shields/517 Armor with 14.75 hp/s regen
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1468	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:16:00 - [8] - Quote so it seems it is at least at the moment, a desicion of either.. great tank or great firepower.. we can;t have both like you would a normal Proto. Might need some tweaking, but it's certainly not comparable to real proto ability. I wouldn't worry too much.. maybe shave off 2 PG and 7 CPU /shrug

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 21958	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:22:00 - [9] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Spartan Assault Highs- 1 Complex PG upgrade 2 Complex dmg modifier Weapons- Duvolle Assault Rifle 'wildlight" ion pistol Lows- 1 Enhanced armor repairer 1 Complex CPU upgrade 2 Enhanced reactive plates 1 federation Basic Armor plate grenade- Core Locus grenade equipment - "torrent" nanohive This fit leaves it with only 3 CPU left, no PG very tight.. and a bit slow.. but the firepower on it is where it shines. 194 shields/517 Armor with 14.75 hp/s regen oh , and this sob still costs 91k.. so it aint exactly free run around willy nilly blastin.. it comes with a price gonna try tank over fire fit next. It's good but not proto good, not even close. I doubt it is even close to ADV good, but thanks, this is why we were looking at fitting upgrades. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 963	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:27:00 - [10] - Quote To be honest its surely better then standard but not better then advanced. Cause you have much better fitting on advanced suits then you have on the apex. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!

Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1470	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:28:00 - [11] - Quote very little room in tank ability unless I want to move like a slug ( Federation spartan assault) PG seems right.. it might be the CPU needing attention for the complex dmg mod stacking and stuff when trying for tank, I don't get a significant difference as I run out of PG quick , but have a substantial amount of CPU left over almost 100
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1470	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:30:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Spartan Assault Highs- 1 Complex PG upgrade 2 Complex dmg modifier Weapons- Duvolle Assault Rifle 'wildlight" ion pistol Lows- 1 Enhanced armor repairer 1 Complex CPU upgrade 2 Enhanced reactive plates 1 federation Basic Armor plate grenade- Core Locus grenade equipment - "torrent" nanohive This fit leaves it with only 3 CPU left, no PG very tight.. and a bit slow.. but the firepower on it is where it shines. 194 shields/517 Armor with 14.75 hp/s regen oh , and this sob still costs 91k.. so it aint exactly free run around willy nilly blastin.. it comes with a price gonna try tank over fire fit next. It's good but not proto good, not even close. I doubt it is even close to ADV good, but thanks, this is why we were looking at fitting upgrades. oh yes, I cerrtainly agree.. I would never run this thing tbh. it was a test fit to see what I could get out of it. If someone wants to run like this.. let them I say , lol. maybe a slight lowering in CPU , but it just wouldn't be a logical fit to use when I could shell out a little more isk for much better potential on another suit.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3403	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:38:00 - [13] - Quote Machine doesn't work? Add complexity! .emag nug ym tpecxe gnihtyreve sexif gnikamhctam RDK
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1470	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:42:00 - [14] - Quote you can do some nice full advanced fittings on it, but this thing will never be replaced by proto suits. It can replace the advanced.. for a very small savings in isk..very small with the extra spots being used up by PG/CPU upgrades, you can't get over the potential of an advanced suit.. only near equal, it still lacks the repair ability if you match the HP... (** hell not even close. just looked again at advanced fit I was comparing.. it has complex dmg mods, so it doesn't even come to 3/4 the potential of an advanced suit**) good job actually, Rattati , final opinion is.. working gives us room to make it a little better than the free , but not even able to surpass an advanced
Ice Royal Glantix PIanet Express Smart Deploy 117	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:11:00 - [15] - Quote Apex "Hawk" Scout 'Exile' Assault Rifle 'Toxin' ICD-9 SMG Flux Grenade Compact Nanohive Compact Nanohive Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Basic Profile Dampener Advanced Profile Dampener It's not as good as proto, but this is still a bit too powerful for 22k in my opinion. Removing the cloak saves a huge amount of fitting room, and is quite easy to abuse to create fits like this. "Solitude is not a burden; it is a gift, for independence allows us to realize our own potential." Glantix / Ice
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4522	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:11:00 - [16] - Quote Are PG upgrades a high slot now? Anywhoo, if I had to take a wild guess I'd say 1 complex dmg mod 1 Complex PG mod 1 krin dmg mod Duvolle 1 flaylock 3 basic plates 1 CPU upgrade 1 complex repair mod Good ehp and dmg At a reduced cost. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1473	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:14:00 - [17] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Are PG upgrades a high slot now? Anywhoo, if I had to take a wild guess I'd say 1 complex dmg mod 1 Complex PG mod 1 krin dmg mod Duvolle 1 flaylock 3 basic plates 1 CPU upgrade 1 complex repair mod Good ehp and dmg At a reduced cost. that threw me off for a second when I couldn;t find my PG upgrades for lows.. had to go re-do an old fit afterwards too , sadness.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 21996	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:20:00 - [18] - Quote Ice Royal Glantix wrote: Apex "Hawk" Scout 'Exile' Assault Rifle 'Toxin' ICD-9 SMG Flux Grenade Compact Nanohive Compact Nanohive Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Basic Profile Dampener Advanced Profile Dampener It's not as good as proto, but this is still a bit too powerful for 22k in my opinion. Removing the cloak saves a huge amount of fitting room, and is quite easy to abuse to create fits like this. removing the cloak should give zero extra fitting, that was a loophole that was to be addressed. It's late here in shanghai, will study this all tomorrow "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7323	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:25:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. It's there a way to lock them below a certain meta level?
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels Learning Alliance 184	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:25:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. you have more chance of the pentagon selling state secrets to north korea, i'm keeping my fittings to myself as sharing my fits with future opposition is just plain daft The chat channel 'player trade' is open for adding contacts and placing item advertisements in game.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9895	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:26:00 - [21] - Quote The Lion ElJonson wrote: You have more chance of the pentagon selling state secrets to north korea, i'm keeping my fittings to myself as sharing my fits with future opposition is just plain daft As Rattati queries your fittings via magical dev hax... @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 777	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:29:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: send us your terrorfits to [email protected], we are trying our best to give freedom to users, without breaking the system. All of my fits are terrorfits! There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 777	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:32:00 - [23] - Quote I don't know if it is possible, but why not require BPOs only? I could put on a Quafe Mass Driver BPO, and a Militia Nanohive BPO, and not a Freedom Mass driver... Just an idea. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 182	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:36:00 - [24] - Quote The main concern I have for the APEX suits it that the marginalize the utility of basic bpos. Often times for similar or better fitting space, I have more slots. Fitting 2 complex repair modules on my basic commando was a difficult task, but fitting 3 enhanced ones can be done for less fitting. They end up being better than basic tier suits that I could make with a traditional bpo. Especially when weapons and modules overlap. Definitely makes my existing bpo suits obsolete. I did some math for the suits I didn't get yet, due to specific fitting preferences, and instead I can get them, and fit them better than previously. There are arguments to be made for tieracide, and that apex suits have tremendous up-front costs, so them being equivalent to advanced or less suits is acceptable. My main concern is that its hard to justify shelling out cash for that bpo you wanted, or get excited for one you recieved in a strongbox when you have an apex suit, or can get one. It also hurts the secondary resale value of old bpos as anything more than skins (after future adjustments make them into a skin/bpo). While I argueably recieved value from my old items, I doubt people will want to buy them in the future. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22007	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:09:00 - [25] - Quote CeeJ Mantis wrote: The main concern I have for the APEX suits it that the marginalize the utility of basic bpos. Often times for similar or better fitting space, I have more slots. Fitting 2 complex repair modules on my basic commando was a difficult task, but fitting 3 enhanced ones can be done for less fitting. They end up being better than basic tier suits that I could make with a traditional bpo. Especially when weapons and modules overlap. Definitely makes my existing bpo suits obsolete. I did some math for the suits I didn't get yet, due to specific fitting preferences, and instead I can get them, and fit them better than previously. There are arguments to be made for tieracide, and that apex suits have tremendous up-front costs, so them being equivalent to advanced or less suits is acceptable. My main concern is that its hard to justify shelling out cash for that bpo you wanted, or get excited for one you recieved in a strongbox when you have an apex suit, or can get one. It also hurts the secondary resale value of old bpos as anything more than skins (after future adjustments make them into a skin/bpo). While I argueably recieved value from my old items, I doubt people will want to buy them in the future. Good points "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23852	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:26:00 - [26] - Quote Heh, someone might actually use a fitting upgrade. Honestly I think APEXes should be restricted to just STD modules, if possible. The only problem with them was that some of them had suboptimal fits and they were inflexible, not a lack of power. APEXes were very useful items - now they've effectively been buffed so that they're at least equivalent to an ADV suit BPO. Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu Gallente Guide
Hijk Ratway Soldiers Of 0blivion 5	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:55:00 - [27] - Quote I think the change is great. You can build something of around advanced quality using your APEX and that sounds right since you either spent good money or a lot of time for one. They do decrease the value of the standard BPO suits (not the modules though). Personally I deleted my Task Murkon sentinel fits, and rebuilt using Apex Dominus. Do not have the same equipment, but Dominus is better. My Nomad fit is now Adv combat rifle Breach smg Krins damage mod -rest of high slots unchanged Compl shield reg Compl ferroscale Complex reactive Pre installed basic reactive Flux grenades Stable uplink Not the greatest but better than apex in all ways, and most importantly great fun fitting and playing. I think the change is awesome: 1) it will make vets far more likely to buy or grind for an apex suit (potential $$ or better fw) 2) news will want them as they can get better as you do 3) more people will be losing money with deaths as no one will go vanilla APEX if they can help it 4) protos are still clearly superior in every way if you can afford them 5) adv are still better for specific purposes but not as generalist due to missin slots 6) standard suits are not as good, but few you can quickly get out of them with dollars or fw time Those are my thoughts, and I believe this flexibility makes the game better and more competitive.
2Berries Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 863	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:58:00 - [28] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Heh, someone might actually use a fitting upgrade. Honestly I think APEXes should be restricted to just STD modules, if possible. The only problem with them was that some of them had suboptimal fits and they were inflexible, not a lack of power. APEXes were very useful items - now they've effectively been buffed so that they're at least equivalent to an ADV suit BPO. Isn't this against the intent on APEX suits? Seems like if i wait long enough we'll get full proto bpo's Evening Boys, Hows the water?
Dropship One DROPSHIP ONE OPERATIONS 4	Posted - 2015.05.07 17:16:00 - [29] - Quote Thanks CCP:(. Know I have to do another respec to skill out of Combat Rifes because I only skilled into them because of the APEX suits I purchased. But CCP knew that would happen, didn't you? OCD can be expensive.
Dropship One DROPSHIP ONE OPERATIONS 5	Posted - 2015.05.07 17:23:00 - [30] - Quote Amar APEX suits with Proto scramblers. Great:(



Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page