Dear players,

we have been thinking long and hard about a way to make winning battles lucrative, and maybe throwing caution to the wind to do so.

What do you think of two (or both) ways of increasing your reward.

This bonus reward would only be for the winner, loser would get the normal payout

Winner reward would be normal current payout + x% of own personal losses + y% of personally inflicted losses

x and y to be decided


I don't see an easy exploit to this system and it would mean that you would commit proto to claim the battle, instead of hunkering back in starter loadouts.

Make reimbursement for a logistics fit a higher percentage. Lower percentage of kills.

Make assault/commando higher percentage for kills. Lower percentage of reimbursement.

Make support classes more even.call it 50/50 for scouts or sentinels.

That way behaviors of the suits as intended are reinforced and payouts based on suit use can be tweaked to encourage lesser used suits and payments for FotM fits lowered.

This doesn't track well with players who rotate suits at death time to fit what is needed. I really don't see an issue with the percentages but tracking it all based on WP seems to work well.

Day 1 > everyone spamming pro gear some losers some winners
Day 3> Isk rich still spamming pro gear as they do currently, Isk poor players only using bpos as they want sp and don't want to pay cash to go head to head with pro players already making enough isk to support their spam habit getting payouts far larger than what they had before
Day 15> Everyone goes back to COD/BF/whatever other shooters they like except the players who still have some isk
Day 42> Dust ported to PC and changed from what we know now to whatever the Legion prototype (that hasn't been broken like this hopefully) is on PC and doing well with an influx of 15,000+ players day 1, hundreds of thousands to follow.

Please rethink this.

well, AV would be getting a % of their vehicle kills, that could be really lucrative

What if the bonus amount was based on the budget of the winning corporations who hired the mercs?

Make this bonus amount visible to players at the start of the match, to encourage them to fight harder.

This does nothing but further reward stomps with more ISK. Simply increase the ISK you get for each match, both sides, so even if you lose you can still more easily run the best gear.

No. The simple fact is, payments should not be even between winners and losers.

If you get that equality at what point is there any advantage to doong more than lolling about and headhunting?

That's what we have now. No one cares if you win or lose just because stat padding has more social value than your W/L ratio.

If the winners are rewarded, then there's a reason to pay attention To the actual mission objectives. Sniper farms that sit in the redline and don't contribute, losing the game for their team get nothing but the current payouts.

The tanker that doesn't buy the hint and spends the whole match in the redline because his team needed the firepower and lost while his ass gets camped In the redline by some nerd in a fatsuit gets nothing extra.

The team that can't pull their heads out of their asses get nothing But the basic pubmatch payouts. Compete or get out.

But if everyone gets paid the same, win or lose? What the hell is the point of having win conditions? Just open the map and let everyone derp around farming the other 31 players for ISK.

Dear players,

we have been thinking long and hard about a way to make winning battles lucrative, and maybe throwing caution to the wind to do so.

What do you think of two (or both) ways of increasing your reward.

This bonus reward would only be for the winner, loser would get the normal payout

Winner reward would be normal current payout + x% of own personal losses + y% of personally inflicted losses

x and y to be decided


I don't see an easy exploit to this system and it would mean that you would commit proto to claim the battle, instead of hunkering back in starter loadouts.

I like the idea of rewarding players that cause major damage to the opposing team. Having a paycheck bonus for being a bad-ass is one of the things that makes a good merc work hard. Especially if a person in a militia suit is able to rack up kills on people using proto.

Things to think about.

-Killing 2 million isk in vehicles and loosing 500k isk in suits at let's say 5% for X and 5% for Y. -25,000 + 150,000 = 125k bonus. This is a flat rate which is ok. An improvement on this idea can be the following.

-Add a skill to increase bonuses. (Contract Negotiation) 3% bonus per level for isk destroyed. Make it so that if you want a bonus then players should invest skill points.

(Following is for an avid Anti-Vehicle guy like myself and giving that loss percentage is capped at 5%)
- LvL 0 assuming bonus cannot go into the negative (5% x -500,000isk ) + (0% x 2,000,000isk) = -25,000 isk ( no bonus)
- LvL 1 (5% x -500,000isk) + (2,000,000isk x 3%) = 35,000 isk bonus
- LvL 2 (5% x -500,000 isk) + (2,000,000 isk x 6%) = 95,000 isk bonus
- LvL 3 (5% x -500,000 isk) + (2,000,000 isk x 9%) = 155,000 isk bonus
- LvL 4 (5% x -500,000 isk) + (2,000,000 isk x 12%) = 215,000 isk bonus
- LvL 5 (5% x -500,000 isk) + (2,000,000 isk x 15%) = 275,000 isk bonus

Those are just examples those bonuses might be a bit high. Perhaps a 2% per level increase would be more suitable.

Potential Problem: Let's say you just whittled that 4,700 armor proto madrugar down to 470 armor points. Then that blueberry with the Militia forge gun snipes your kill after you did all the hard work. Now under this model he is going to be awarded the isk towards his bonus. Also assume that for some strange reason the kill was worth 2 million isk and you lost 500k isk in proto suits)

Possible solution: Add another factor to the equation. Perhaps Percent damage done. Example for Level 5 Contract Negotiation

At 90% damage dealt (Proto guy)
- (5% x -500,000 isk) + [(2,000,000 x 15%) x 0.9] = 247,500 isk bonus
At 10% damage dealt (Blueberry who just joined and lost no suits with lvl 5 skills)
- (5% x -0 isk) + [(2,000,000 x 15%) x .10] = 30,000 isk bonus

Now the blueberry just stole all of your war points but oh well that's the way things are but now it is at least a better split of isk by using this modified equation.

Potential problem with percent damage. The madrugar let's say survived all match and now it finally died and everyone took a shot at it.

Possible solution: Only those who damaged the tank in the last X amount of seconds before destruction get awarded the bonus.

Another Problem: Will it take forever to calculate all bonus isk at EOM? Not sure on the solution to this since I am not privy to the Arithmetic used for any EOM calculations.

I am sure there are errors in my math. =P

-Marcus

or we can simplify: Kill gets the bonus

assist gets 1/2 the bonus the kill got.

And I like your contract negotiation ideas. Things like that? We should absolutely steal from EVE while straight faced and serious.

Dear players,

we have been thinking long and hard about a way to make winning battles lucrative, and maybe throwing caution to the wind to do so.

What do you think of two (or both) ways of increasing your reward.

This bonus reward would only be for the winner, loser would get the normal payout

Winner reward would be normal current payout + x% of own personal losses + y% of personally inflicted losses

x and y to be decided


I don't see an easy exploit to this system and it would mean that you would commit proto to claim the battle, instead of hunkering back in starter loadouts.

when you commit to proto with an organized squad, you are just going to help benefit protostompers and fund them further and increase the isk disparity between vets and new players

when you commit to proto with an organized squad, you are just going to help benefit protostompers and fund them further and increase the isk disparity between vets and new players

+ x% of own personal losses + y% of personally inflicted losses

If you don't reward trying when losing, then everyone will stop trying when they are losing, because they know they don't get the rewards anyways. So why risk the extra isk loss?

Unless you can answer that nothing will change.

There's nothing that'll change the behavior of people like you. But most humans have ....

I find this idea terrible and agree with the (unfortunately) few people here that this will not encourage those that are losing to keep on fighting.

If you do this, the amount of players leaving in the beginning of the battle will most likely increase. This suggestion offers no incentive to GÇ£play against all oddsGÇ¥.
If you add penalties to leaving you will just increase the amount of players spinning in the MCC.
If you only reward winning, people will give up earlier than they do now.

Winning should be rewarded more but it has to be in line with the losing team. Give winners X amount of ISK as the GÇ£winnerGÇÖs rewardGÇ¥ (to all players regardless of position on the leaderboards) with x% refunded from suit loss and y% of destroyed assets. And for the losers they get x% refunded from suit loss and y% of destroyed assets as well but without the winnerGÇÖs reward. You can have a lower percentage on suit refund for the losers but assets destroyed should have the same percentage.

So long as I know that my payout might be halfway decent I am willing to fight against all odds. Reward only the winning team and I will quit trying very early as I have no interest in feeding the other team free kills and even fatter payouts.