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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:08:00 -
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Why is it that dropships don't explode in the air once they run out of hit points? Tanks explode. LAVs explode. Even the MCC explodes. Why is the dropship special?
Yes, it explodes when it hits the ground, but that gives pilots plenty of time to jump out, right?
Just something I noticed last night as we took down a couple dropships.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:10:00 -
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I'm really happy someone started this very unique discussion.
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9503
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:10:00 -
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Because if dropship pilots have to lose their ISK AND die they would all ragequit.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
984
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:12:00 -
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Its not when it hits the ground, its more like 2-5 seconds after lethal damage is dealt. Blown up a few while they have been grounded to know.
If I was to guess I would say "Aliens"
I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
3318
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:12:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Because if dropship pilots have to lose their ISK AND die they would all ragequit.
Oh, please, baby, please.
As of April 9, 2015, we have about 330 days of DUST 514 left. Enjoy them!
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
478
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:16:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Because if dropship pilots have to lose their ISK AND die they would all ragequit.
It would be enjoyable to see mercs jumping out of dropships once they took damage, like many, many, many tankers out there. |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:18:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Because if dropship pilots have to lose their ISK AND die they would all ragequit. It would be enjoyable to see mercs jumping out of dropships once they took damage, like many, many, many tankers out there.
I would love to see that, mostly because there's a high probability that the ship roadkills the pilot as he bails
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
478
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:19:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:kiarbanor wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Because if dropship pilots have to lose their ISK AND die they would all ragequit. It would be enjoyable to see mercs jumping out of dropships once they took damage, like many, many, many tankers out there. I would love to see that, mostly because there's a high probability that the ship roadkills the pilot as he bails
Now that would be perfect! |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9505
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:21:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:It would be enjoyable to see mercs jumping out of dropships once they took damage, like many, many, many tankers out there. Hold the phone... HAVs can take damage?
@Ripley_Riley
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
987
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:kiarbanor wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Because if dropship pilots have to lose their ISK AND die they would all ragequit. It would be enjoyable to see mercs jumping out of dropships once they took damage, like many, many, many tankers out there. I would love to see that, mostly because there's a high probability that the ship roadkills the pilot as he bails
I have had that happen to me once.
Ship was going down (and forward) so I bail out, activate my dampner and though I was free. Then my dropship crashed on me shouting NOPE!
I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:22:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:kiarbanor wrote:It would be enjoyable to see mercs jumping out of dropships once they took damage, like many, many, many tankers out there. Hold the phone... HAVs can take damage?
Shiney = no solo kill
No shiney = solo kill
HAV 101
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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VAHZZ
Arrary of Clusters
1482
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:25:00 -
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"Scrubbery"
If you expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9505
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:25:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:No shiney = solo kill Mr. HAV's shiny stops. "Oh ****!" He screams as he drives away at 900m/s. "Whew!", he says as his hardeners cooldown and his armor is repped to full passively. "That was close. I almost died lol" Little did he know that he took 7 points of shield damage.
@Ripley_Riley
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
478
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:27:00 -
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Did you mean "Shrubbery"?
GÇ£First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. ("A path! A path!") Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!GÇ¥ |
Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
989
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:30:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Did you mean "Shrubbery"? GÇ£First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. ("A path! A path!") Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!GÇ¥
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
479
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:32:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:kiarbanor wrote:Did you mean "Shrubbery"? GÇ£First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. ("A path! A path!") Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!GÇ¥ Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
If I could give more than one like, I would. |
VAHZZ
Arrary of Clusters
1482
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:32:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Did you mean "Shrubbery"? GÇ£First you must find... another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. ("A path! A path!") Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest... with... a herring!GÇ¥
No, Scrubbery.
A bush that grows scrubs. It is usually found next to the salt mines. Usually consists of a bunch of dongleberries.
If you expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed.
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DUST Fiend
16477
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:34:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:No shiney = solo kill Mr. HAV's shiny stops. "Oh ****!" He screams as he drives away at 900m/s. "Whew!", he says as his hardeners cooldown and his armor is repped to full passively. "That was close. I almost died lol" Little did he know that he took 7 points of shield damage.
It must suck having to use tactics to take out a 1.3 million ISK asset :/
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9506
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:38:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:It must suck having to use tactics to take out a 1.3 million ISK asset :/ "Oh sweet lawd guys it's a HAV, switch to AV before it can destroy the suppl- okay it destroyed the supply depot. Let's run back to the- okay it killed everyone. Alright respawn in AV. Okay, everyone wait until the hardeners are down aaaan- **** some infantry got me. Respawn. ****! They fielded a second HAV. Where are you guys? They are camping the drop uplink? Okay. Just focus fire on that HAV. HIS HARDENERS ARE DOWN! YEAH! HE'S AT 20% ARMOR! HE... ran away faster than we could ever sprint. Okay. J-just... I don't know anymore."
Tactics.
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DUST Fiend
16480
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:41:00 -
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I imagine you've never heard of REs or ambushes :/
Judge is STILL a better DUST player than 90% of the playerbase 
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
12
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:41:00 -
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Call me crazy but I usually spawn LAV/HAV/drop ships just to let other people drive them.
CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9510
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I imagine you've never heard of REs or ambushes :/ Any halfway decent HAV pilot can see scouts attempting to place RE's on his hull. He will most likely have a gunner on top to pick off scouts who get brave and try to cloak sprint to his rear.
"Ambushes"? You mean managing to box a HAV into an area he can't easily drive away from? If the HAV pilot isn't an idiot he won't get into areas he will die in. I've killed a few HAVs who got stuck on a random corner or something.
@Ripley_Riley
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DUST Fiend
16480
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:47:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I imagine you've never heard of REs or ambushes :/ Any halfway decent HAV pilot can see scouts attempting to place RE's on his hull. He will most likely have a gunner on top to pick off scouts who get brave and try to cloak sprint to his rear. "Ambushes"? You mean managing to box a HAV into an area he can't easily drive away from? If the HAV pilot isn't an idiot he won't get into areas he will die in. I've killed a few HAVs who got stuck on a random corner or something.
So if hes not around objectives preventing the hack, what exactly is the issue?
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9514
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:50:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:So if hes not around objectives preventing the hack, what exactly is the issue? Because his presence on the battlefield prevents movement of your team and boxes you neatly into the objective so that his team can rain down MD and PLC rounds until you either A. ) Get cloned or B.) Leave the objective vacant due to massive spawn-in-insta-deaths.
@Ripley_Riley
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tal mrak-thanl
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
679
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:51:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:It must suck having to use tactics to take out a 1.3 million ISK asset :/ "Oh sweet lawd guys it's a HAV, switch to AV before it can destroy the suppl- okay it destroyed the supply depot. Let's run back to the- okay it killed everyone. Alright respawn in AV. Okay, everyone wait until the hardeners are down aaaan- **** some infantry got me. Respawn. ****! They fielded a second HAV. Where are you guys? They are camping the drop uplink? Okay. Just focus fire on that HAV. HIS HARDENERS ARE DOWN! YEAH! HE'S AT 20% ARMOR! HE... ran away faster than we could ever sprint. Okay. J-just... I don't know anymore."
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DUST Fiend
16480
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:53:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So if hes not around objectives preventing the hack, what exactly is the issue? Because his presence on the battlefield prevents movement of your team and boxes you neatly into the objective so that his team can rain down MD and PLC rounds until you either A. ) Get cloned or B.) Leave the objective vacant due to massive spawn-in-insta-deaths.
So why is there only one AV shooting him if your whole team is boxed in?
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9514
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:57:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:So why is there only one AV shooting him if your whole team is boxed in? AV being the FG, PLC, and swarms. All require a second to "lock". PLC and FG has a charge up time. Swarms have a genuine lock on timer. During this time you are vulnerable to the aforementioned pelting of MD, PLC, and core locus spam. You could field 4 - 6 AV; doesn't matter if they die within a second of getting a round off at the HAV.
Let's pretend you do scare the HAV away. What if they field two HAVs? Now you are extra ****** because they can cycle out when they are damaged. Risk aversion in it's most pure form.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:01:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So why is there only one AV shooting him if your whole team is boxed in? AV being the FG, PLC, and swarms. All require a second to "lock". PLC and FG has a charge up time. Swarms have a genuine lock on timer. During this time you are vulnerable to the aforementioned pelting of MD, PLC, and core locus spam. You could field 4 - 6 AV; doesn't matter if they die within a second of getting a round off at the HAV. Let's pretend you do scare the HAV away. What if they field two HAVs? Now you are extra ****** because they can cycle out when they are damaged. Risk aversion in it's most pure form.
You know when there's more than one, your 2 to 3 AV squad can still clear them all up right? If they're all boxed together, move, or set up a trap. Chase them with LAVs. Block exits with REs, force them to move by dancing around them throwing REs and AV nades at them. If they aren't hacking or preventing a hack, they aren't doing much to actually help the match, unless your team is stupidly running at the tanks over and over, in which case that's on them.
Unless a single proto AV fit costs 1.3 million, or a single proto tank costs 200k, then there's going to be some push and pull. You can't have a magical 1v1 environment unless everything is on a 1 to 1 scale.
Bring another tank. Or a dropship. AFK if you're bad. Tanks go down all the time to halfway descent AV squads and other vehicles, not quite sure what you're doing wrong 
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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ROTFL
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:08:00 -
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oo oo I know this one.... When an airplane is about to go down due to engine problems, the pilot dumps the fuel.
Secondly ships fly so fast, the air blows the fire out....
Your welcome!
Knowing is half the battle! The other half involves guns! GI JOE!
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:11:00 -
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ROTFL wrote:oo oo I know this one.... When an airplane is about to go down due to engine problems, the pilot dumps the fuel.
Secondly ships fly so fast, the air blows the fire out....
Thirdly, dropships have fire extinguishes! "Armour repair"
Your welcome!
@win.com
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Scheneighnay McBob
And the ButtPirates
6150
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:03:00 -
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They explode, it's just a delay, because the devs wanted it to have a satisfying crash.
What bugs me is that the delay still exists on the ground.
Some details can be ignored
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tal mrak-thanl
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
684
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:14:00 -
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Ironically, my incubus randomly explodes midair 1 out of every 30 times I use it, usually when the map lagspikes during an OB. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1167
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:14:00 -
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I would just love to have one week..where tanks were nerfed down to the survivability of a proto dropsuit..and the cost lowered to the price of a proto dropsuit.. just so I can hear what kind of rabble comes out of some people |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:23:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:I would just love to have one week..where tanks were nerfed down to the survivability of a proto dropsuit..and the cost lowered to the price of a proto dropsuit.. just so I can hear what kind of rabble comes out of some people
Proto tanks have obnoxious survivability if you don't get greedy, I still enjoy trolling around in mine from time to time. Flying is still the only thing that sets this game apart though
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1242
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:23:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I imagine you've never heard of REs or ambushes :/ Judge is STILL a better DUST player than 90% of the playerbase
Take away the warning beep from proxies and we'll talk. A buff that didn't require a field so big the tanker can't help but notice them would also go a long way but lets not get greedy.
Your matchmaking sucked the last time and it still sucks this time.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:50:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I imagine you've never heard of REs or ambushes :/ Judge is STILL a better DUST player than 90% of the playerbase Take away the warning beep from proxies and we'll talk. A buff that didn't require a field so big the tanker can't help but notice them would also go a long way but lets not get greedy.
The beep is fairly irrelevant since you generally try to use them just to box in the tank and cut off his retreat, giving you valuable time to nade and AV him as he stops and reverses, or letting you alpha him if he tries to break through. Even just jumping around them tossing AV nades and REs is usually enough to send them packing, and if they decide to stay and fight you can usually just clean up with REs.
Not trying to say tanks aren't a tad obnoxious right now, but there are definitely ways to handle them. Non proto tanks are a joke against any real AV so with the price tag as is, it seems alright.
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9689
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Posted - 2015.04.22 00:57:00 -
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A long time ago in beta they exploded like everything else. Pilots complained that they had no chance to eject. For whatever reason CCP agreed you should be able to eject from a 0HP vehicle. And bam! Here we are.
I vaguely recall a time when it used to be 50/50 instantaneous explosion or delayed explosion. Could just have bad memory.
Amarr are the good guys
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
6197
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Posted - 2015.04.22 01:00:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Because if dropship pilots have to lose their ISK AND die they would all ragequit.
I already did. Respecced myself out of them.
That being said, jumping out most of the time just results in you committing suicide via the flaming wreckage running you over in midair.
I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV
R.I.P. Kesha
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VAHZZ
Arrary of Clusters
1496
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Posted - 2015.04.22 01:02:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Because if dropship pilots have to lose their ISK AND die they would all ragequit. I already did. Respecced myself out of them. That being said, jumping out most of the time just results in you committing suicide via the flaming wreckage running you over in midair.
That is hilarious to watch.
If you expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9536
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Posted - 2015.04.22 01:40:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:That being said, jumping out most of the time just results in you committing suicide via the flaming wreckage running you over in midair. But you look like a ******* baws doing it.
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3006
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Posted - 2015.04.22 01:48:00 -
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I love the visual effect of dropships crashing to the ground in a fiery explosion--It's badass and immersive. I also agree that everyone in the dropship should die when it hits 0 HPs. Solution: 2 explosions. One that kills occupants at 0HP and a second when the wreckage hits the ground doing AoE damage.
Best PvE idea ever!
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DUST Fiend
16490
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Posted - 2015.04.22 01:52:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:I love the visual effect of dropships crashing to the ground in a fiery explosion--It's badass and immersive. I also agree that everyone in the dropship should die when it hits 0 HPs. Solution: 2 explosions. One that kills occupants at 0HP and a second when the wreckage hits the ground doing AoE damage.
Locking passengers in would be the dumbest thing ever. Particularly since you still get -50WP for each idiot who dies in your ship.
Lock pilots in when under 10% HP, but punishing passengers so you can get your worthless WP is asinine.
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3006
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Posted - 2015.04.22 01:57:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Vell0cet wrote:I love the visual effect of dropships crashing to the ground in a fiery explosion--It's badass and immersive. I also agree that everyone in the dropship should die when it hits 0 HPs. Solution: 2 explosions. One that kills occupants at 0HP and a second when the wreckage hits the ground doing AoE damage. Locking passengers in would be the dumbest thing ever. Particularly since you still get -50WP for each idiot who dies in your ship. Lock pilots in when under 10% HP, but punishing passengers so you can get your worthless WP is asinine.
Where did I say people should be locked in? I'm saying you can bail at 0.00001% health, but if you're in the thing (passenger or pilot) when it drops to 0HP then you die. Additionally if you're close to where the thing crashes you're going to take AoE damage, and if the wreck lands on your head you're dead. I really don't think there's anything unreasonable about this idea.
The -50WP issue is a separate issue and should be handled separately.
Best PvE idea ever!
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DUST Fiend
16490
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Posted - 2015.04.22 01:59:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Vell0cet wrote:I love the visual effect of dropships crashing to the ground in a fiery explosion--It's badass and immersive. I also agree that everyone in the dropship should die when it hits 0 HPs. Solution: 2 explosions. One that kills occupants at 0HP and a second when the wreckage hits the ground doing AoE damage. Locking passengers in would be the dumbest thing ever. Particularly since you still get -50WP for each idiot who dies in your ship. Lock pilots in when under 10% HP, but punishing passengers so you can get your worthless WP is asinine. Where did I say people should be locked in? I'm saying you can bail at 0.00001% health, but if you're in the thing (passenger or pilot) when it drops to 0HP then you die. Additionally if you're close to where the thing crashes you're going to take AoE damage, and if the wreck lands on your head you're dead. I really don't think there's anything unreasonable about this idea. The -50WP issue is a separate issue and should be handled separately.
I will never agree to forcing passengers to go down with the ship. It's foolish. It's not their fault that dropships are poorly designed for transport, giving virtually no information to them about their surroundings or state of the ship.
If they don't bail, that's on them, but never should they be forced to die with the pilot.
Ever.
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
340
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Posted - 2015.04.22 02:06:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:No shiney = solo kill Mr. HAV's shiny stops. "Oh ****!" He screams as he drives away at 900m/s. "Whew!", he says as his hardeners cooldown and his armor is repped to full passively. "That was close. I almost died lol" Little did he know that he took 7 points of shield damage.
From a rock.... in his own redline
Moo?
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Le Moo?
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3006
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Posted - 2015.04.22 02:19:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Vell0cet wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Vell0cet wrote:I love the visual effect of dropships crashing to the ground in a fiery explosion--It's badass and immersive. I also agree that everyone in the dropship should die when it hits 0 HPs. Solution: 2 explosions. One that kills occupants at 0HP and a second when the wreckage hits the ground doing AoE damage. Locking passengers in would be the dumbest thing ever. Particularly since you still get -50WP for each idiot who dies in your ship. Lock pilots in when under 10% HP, but punishing passengers so you can get your worthless WP is asinine. Where did I say people should be locked in? I'm saying you can bail at 0.00001% health, but if you're in the thing (passenger or pilot) when it drops to 0HP then you die. Additionally if you're close to where the thing crashes you're going to take AoE damage, and if the wreck lands on your head you're dead. I really don't think there's anything unreasonable about this idea. The -50WP issue is a separate issue and should be handled separately. I will never agree to forcing passengers to go down with the ship. It's foolish. It's not their fault that dropships are poorly designed for transport, giving virtually no information to them about their surroundings or state of the ship. If they don't bail, that's on them, but never should they be forced to die with the pilot. Ever.
Picture it this way. The ship explodes at 0HP. Everyone is dead just like with an HAV or a LAV (i.e. consistent behavior for all vehicles). The ship immediately gets removed from the battle. Everyone's terminated and gone at this point. Now a 2nd ship appears where the old one was to provide "visual candy" and immersion as the flaming wreck crashes to the ground--there is nobody being forced to "go down with the ship" they're already terminated. You're getting hung up on the visuals.
Best PvE idea ever!
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DUST Fiend
16492
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Posted - 2015.04.22 02:24:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Vell0cet wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Vell0cet wrote:I love the visual effect of dropships crashing to the ground in a fiery explosion--It's badass and immersive. I also agree that everyone in the dropship should die when it hits 0 HPs. Solution: 2 explosions. One that kills occupants at 0HP and a second when the wreckage hits the ground doing AoE damage. Locking passengers in would be the dumbest thing ever. Particularly since you still get -50WP for each idiot who dies in your ship. Lock pilots in when under 10% HP, but punishing passengers so you can get your worthless WP is asinine. Where did I say people should be locked in? I'm saying you can bail at 0.00001% health, but if you're in the thing (passenger or pilot) when it drops to 0HP then you die. Additionally if you're close to where the thing crashes you're going to take AoE damage, and if the wreck lands on your head you're dead. I really don't think there's anything unreasonable about this idea. The -50WP issue is a separate issue and should be handled separately. I will never agree to forcing passengers to go down with the ship. It's foolish. It's not their fault that dropships are poorly designed for transport, giving virtually no information to them about their surroundings or state of the ship. If they don't bail, that's on them, but never should they be forced to die with the pilot. Ever. Picture it this way. The ship explodes at 0HP. Everyone is dead just like with an HAV or a LAV (i.e. consistent behavior for all vehicles). The ship immediately gets removed from the battle. Everyone's terminated and gone at this point. Now a 2nd ship appears where the old one was to provide "visual candy" and immersion as the flaming wreck crashes to the ground--there is nobody being forced to "go down with the ship" they're already terminated. You're getting hung up on the visuals.
I'm not getting hung up on the visuals, I'm getting hung up on passengers who can barely see getting killed because of a pilots error.
You want free WP, that's understandable, but I see no reason transpo needs to be nerfed beyond not even being needed, like it currently is. If the pilot has to die, wonderful, I haven't bailed from my ship on purpose in years. Under no circumstances will passengers immediately dieing ever be an acceptable change to me.
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Mex-0
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Posted - 2015.04.22 02:25:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I imagine you've never heard of REs or ambushes :/ Judge is STILL a better DUST player than 90% of the playerbase
I wanna see someone solo an HAV... with a Flaylock Pistol...
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3006
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Posted - 2015.04.22 02:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I'm not getting hung up on the visuals, I'm getting hung up on passengers who can barely see getting killed because of a pilots error.
You want free WP, that's understandable, but I see no reason transpo needs to be nerfed beyond not even being needed, like it currently is. If the pilot has to die, wonderful, I haven't bailed from my ship on purpose in years. Under no circumstances will passengers immediately dieing ever be an acceptable change to me.
It's not about the free WP for me, it's about the rules being consistent between all vehicles. I don't see why dropships should have special rules that don't apply to LAVs and HAVs. If the warning beep isn't effective for telling people to bail, then that could be tweaked, and so could the -50WPs.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.22 02:39:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I'm not getting hung up on the visuals, I'm getting hung up on passengers who can barely see getting killed because of a pilots error.
You want free WP, that's understandable, but I see no reason transpo needs to be nerfed beyond not even being needed, like it currently is. If the pilot has to die, wonderful, I haven't bailed from my ship on purpose in years. Under no circumstances will passengers immediately dieing ever be an acceptable change to me. It's not about the free WP for me, it's about the rules being consistent between all vehicles. I don't see why dropships should have special rules that don't apply to LAVs and HAVs. If the warning beep isn't effective for telling people to bail, then that could be tweaked, and so could the -50WPs.
As someone above mentioned, aircraft today will flush all of their fuel out of the vehicle in the event of catastrophic failure, and the speeds up high make it very difficult for things to ignite. And, on the off chance they do ignite, aircraft are designed with fire extinguishing systems. The warning beep hardly even exists because usually if you die, you just die. Barely if any warning. All the damage hits at once.
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Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 06:48:00 -
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kiarbanor
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:56:00 -
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The thread went a little sideways. I blame Ripley.
I just wanted to know why dropships are special. I want them to explode in the air, and then watch the burning wreckage fall to the ground and explode again. And I want the wreckage to stay there, forever ingrained on that map. Then I want to be able to buy roses from the market for 10,000 AUR, at which point I can activate them like a piece of equipment and place them next to the charred wreckage.
The best part is that "Kiss From a Rose" automatically plays in the background as you place the flowers on the ground.
I don't think this is unreasonable. |
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Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:07:00 -
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I'd be cool with that.
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tal mrak-thanl
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
691
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:08:00 -
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Mex-0 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I imagine you've never heard of REs or ambushes :/ Judge is STILL a better DUST player than 90% of the playerbase I wanna see someone solo an HAV... with a Flaylock Pistol...
Tried it, doesn't work.
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Genral69 death
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:13:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Why is it that dropships don't explode in the air once they run out of hit points? Tanks explode. LAVs explode. Even the MCC explodes. Why is the dropship special?
Yes, it explodes when it hits the ground, but that gives pilots plenty of time to jump out, right?
Just something I noticed last night as we took down a couple dropships.
Happy Gaming!!!
Tanks explode because they are hard to kill. Being Amor tanked and harderd, lav are fast and can dough swarms with sharpe bends . But dropshot can be be easily spotted and can be heared in the air . Being that theres no much cover apart from large building which is no always the case when I fly. I find it amusing that that when I kill a dropship That it lands on on res berry and he got a road kill =ƒÿâ. But I don't see why people are on about this, for example saying a plane got shoot down in real life , would it disappear or crash land?
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Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:15:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:The thread went a little sideways. I blame Ripley.
I just wanted to know why dropships are special. I want them to explode in the air, and then watch the burning wreckage fall to the ground and explode again. And I want the wreckage to stay there, forever ingrained on that map. Then I want to be able to buy roses from the market for 10,000 AUR, at which point I can activate them like a piece of equipment and place them next to the charred wreckage.
The best part is that "Kiss From a Rose" automatically plays in the background as you place the flowers on the ground.
I don't think this is unreasonable. Why is this not already in game? CCP FIX YOUR GAME!
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kiarbanor
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489
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:17:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:kiarbanor wrote:Why is it that dropships don't explode in the air once they run out of hit points? Tanks explode. LAVs explode. Even the MCC explodes. Why is the dropship special?
Yes, it explodes when it hits the ground, but that gives pilots plenty of time to jump out, right?
Just something I noticed last night as we took down a couple dropships.
Happy Gaming!!! Tanks explode because they are hard to kill. Being Amor tanked and harderd, lav are fast and can dough swarms with sharpe bends . But dropshot can be be easily spotted and can be heared in the air . Being that theres no much cover apart from large building which is no always the case when I fly. I find it amusing that that when I kill a dropship That it lands on on res berry and he got a road kill =ƒÿâ. But I don't see why people are on about this, for example saying a plane got shoot down in real life , would it disappear or crash land?
Depends on what hit the plane. If hit with minor damage, some planes would burn until they hit the ground, and then they would explode. However, if a plane took enough damage in the air, it would explode and a million tiny pieces would rain down.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
23332
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:18:00 -
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DUST Fiend you sound so broken. I am sorry for you. ;_;
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kiarbanor
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489
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:22:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:kiarbanor wrote:The thread went a little sideways. I blame Ripley.
I just wanted to know why dropships are special. I want them to explode in the air, and then watch the burning wreckage fall to the ground and explode again. And I want the wreckage to stay there, forever ingrained on that map. Then I want to be able to buy roses from the market for 10,000 AUR, at which point I can activate them like a piece of equipment and place them next to the charred wreckage.
The best part is that "Kiss From a Rose" automatically plays in the background as you place the flowers on the ground.
I don't think this is unreasonable. Why is this not already in game? CCP FIX YOUR GAME!
That's what I"m saying. I mean, how can you not have this?
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:33:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DUST Fiend you sound so broken. I am sorry for you. ;_;
Its difficult being right :/
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.22 16:10:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DUST Fiend you sound so broken. I am sorry for you. ;_; Its difficult being right :/
How would you know? o_O
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.22 16:12:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DUST Fiend you sound so broken. I am sorry for you. ;_; Its difficult being right :/ How would you know? o_O
Its like the like farms you joined before
It just works 
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Posted - 2015.04.22 16:30:00 -
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dont quote me on this but I believe its to give passengers fair time to bail since transport ships can have 6 passengers plus a pilot. instapop would be wp jackpot. dropships can be bounced and hit from alot more angles than a lav or hav.also remember tanks lavs and drop ships use to burn to death if you didnt have a decent repair mod.
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Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
536
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:42:00 -
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Ku Shala wrote:dont quote me on this but I believe its to give passengers fair time to bail since transport ships can have 6 passengers plus a pilot. instapop would be wp jackpot. dropships can be bounced and hit from alot more angles than a lav or hav.also remember tanks lavs and drop ships use to burn to death if you didnt have a decent repair mod.
You're a voice of sanity, Ku.
It's probably the longest running Urban Myth that Dropships don't explode in midair from enemy fire.
They DO explode in midair if hit appropriately. "Appropriately" means (from what I have been able to witness firsthand):
--an ADDITIONAL shot from a Rail installation or Main Rail Turret, after the DS has reached burning/smoking animation
--an ADDITIONAL shot from an LP-skilled Forge carrier, after the DS has gone into "burn" animation.
--a mishap interception with a Ship-class Cannon round (the type of missile that is only fired from the MCC belly-turret or one of the Null Cannon nozzles) .
The little beehive fireworks from Swarms will never trigger it----it's the one-shot punch that does it.
 Because we TEND to overheat our Railgun Turrets before we can successfully "give em one last pulse with my name on it"GǪ
 Because worried DS operators TEND to ditch-n-abandon their vehicle on a roof before you can finish shooting (thus "locking" the vehicle into a weird burn-animation that has to blow out on its own)...
Because it's not too frequent that DS drivers linger in the path of the MCC-missiles (after the first time it happens to us, we learn fast)GǪ.
Because Large Rail Turrets have been "trimmed" by the Devs to make it really hard to hose a DS within the Railgun's limited RoFGǪ.
GǪ.you just don't witness the midair-pops of a DS too often. But that's all on the players, not on this "special privilege" that the DS-Urban Legend keeps foisting on the community.
I used to turret-gun for HAVs and Installations quite a bit in the past, so I've seen the "midairs". Most of you just won't notice them---you're busy, and there's just too much other stuff going on around you to waste watching dropships all day. LOL!
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
496
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Posted - 2015.04.22 20:07:00 -
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Then let's have "Deathstar" quality major explosions that can't be ignored! Then you will see everyone running around with forges the entire game, addicted to the awesomeness that is DS death. |
Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
1417
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Posted - 2015.04.22 22:14:00 -
[66] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Because if dropship pilots have to lose their ISK AND die they would all ragequit.
Back in the day they used to, but all the pilots complained and that feature got removed...
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
23381
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Posted - 2015.04.22 22:17:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DUST Fiend you sound so broken. I am sorry for you. ;_; Its difficult being right :/ How would you know? o_O Its like the like farms you joined before It just works
What is this blasphemy? My likes are harvested from the wild.
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tal mrak-thanl
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
703
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Posted - 2015.04.22 22:19:00 -
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And just like that, my likes are plucked away.
"That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
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The Modern Creature
Incorruptibles
70
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So why is there only one AV shooting him if your whole team is boxed in? AV being the FG, PLC, and swarms. All require a second to "lock". PLC and FG has a charge up time. Swarms have a genuine lock on timer. During this time you are vulnerable to the aforementioned pelting of MD, PLC, and core locus spam. You could field 4 - 6 AV; doesn't matter if they die within a second of getting a round off at the HAV. Let's pretend you do scare the HAV away. What if they field two HAVs? Now you are extra ****** because they can cycle out when they are damaged. Risk aversion in it's most pure form. You know when there's more than one, your 2 to 3 AV squad can still clear them all up right? If they're all boxed together, move, or set up a trap. Chase them with LAVs. Block exits with REs, force them to move by dancing around them throwing REs and AV nades at them. If they aren't hacking or preventing a hack, they aren't doing much to actually help the match, unless your team is stupidly running at the tanks over and over, in which case that's on them. Unless a single proto AV fit costs 1.3 million, or a single proto tank costs 200k, then there's going to be some push and pull. You can't have a magical 1v1 environment unless everything is on a 1 to 1 scale. Bring another tank. Or a dropship. AFK if you're bad. Tanks go down all the time to halfway descent AV squads and other vehicles, not quite sure what you're doing wrong
RE's do nothing while hardeners are on. AV Grenades do nothing while hardeners are on. Chasing an HAV in an LAV is suicide. You can't ambush a tank when it can road kill you in two directions at a time. Setting up a trap won't happen if it's a double hardener double repper camper tank. I have never actually seen a team win when said team goes out of their way to destroy a proto double hardener double repper camper tank, there's a good chance that it might be been because 3/8ths (6/16) of the team had to spend their teams resources to destroy the tank. I think at this point you should've given up.
Attention passengers I will be your captain for the evening, I'm sure we won't run into any swarms but just inc- JUMP!!!
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DUST Fiend
16527
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:27:00 -
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The Modern Creature wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So why is there only one AV shooting him if your whole team is boxed in? AV being the FG, PLC, and swarms. All require a second to "lock". PLC and FG has a charge up time. Swarms have a genuine lock on timer. During this time you are vulnerable to the aforementioned pelting of MD, PLC, and core locus spam. You could field 4 - 6 AV; doesn't matter if they die within a second of getting a round off at the HAV. Let's pretend you do scare the HAV away. What if they field two HAVs? Now you are extra ****** because they can cycle out when they are damaged. Risk aversion in it's most pure form. You know when there's more than one, your 2 to 3 AV squad can still clear them all up right? If they're all boxed together, move, or set up a trap. Chase them with LAVs. Block exits with REs, force them to move by dancing around them throwing REs and AV nades at them. If they aren't hacking or preventing a hack, they aren't doing much to actually help the match, unless your team is stupidly running at the tanks over and over, in which case that's on them. Unless a single proto AV fit costs 1.3 million, or a single proto tank costs 200k, then there's going to be some push and pull. You can't have a magical 1v1 environment unless everything is on a 1 to 1 scale. Bring another tank. Or a dropship. AFK if you're bad. Tanks go down all the time to halfway descent AV squads and other vehicles, not quite sure what you're doing wrong RE's do nothing while hardeners are on. AV Grenades do nothing while hardeners are on. Chasing an HAV in an LAV is suicide. You can't ambush a tank when it can road kill you in two directions at a time. Setting up a trap won't happen if it's a double hardener double repper camper tank. I have never actually seen a team win when said team goes out of their way to destroy a proto double hardener double repper camper tank, there's a good chance that it might be been because 3/8ths (6/16) of the team had to spend their teams resources to destroy the tank. I think at this point you should've given up.
So you admit that your team overcommited to handling a tank that likely wasn't getting too many kills anyways, since it had to drive off for all of it's cycles, and likely was driving off if 6 players were pelting it with AV.
Sounds like your team should have given up since they clearly aren't good at AV, and instead focused on just holding the points that the tank can't hack.
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:28:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DUST Fiend you sound so broken. I am sorry for you. ;_; Its difficult being right :/ How would you know? o_O Its like the like farms you joined before It just works What is this blasphemy? My likes are harvested from the wild.
I watched you gain almost 4k likes in 2 days
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:35:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Why is it that dropships don't explode in the air once they run out of hit points? Tanks explode. LAVs explode. Even the MCC explodes. Why is the dropship special?
Yes, it explodes when it hits the ground, but that gives pilots plenty of time to jump out, right?
Just something I noticed last night as we took down a couple dropships.
This has irked me forever, and I continue to advocate dropships actually exploding so dropship pilots actually (occasionally) die.
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The Modern Creature
Incorruptibles
70
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The Modern Creature wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So why is there only one AV shooting him if your whole team is boxed in? AV being the FG, PLC, and swarms. All require a second to "lock". PLC and FG has a charge up time. Swarms have a genuine lock on timer. During this time you are vulnerable to the aforementioned pelting of MD, PLC, and core locus spam. You could field 4 - 6 AV; doesn't matter if they die within a second of getting a round off at the HAV. Let's pretend you do scare the HAV away. What if they field two HAVs? Now you are extra ****** because they can cycle out when they are damaged. Risk aversion in it's most pure form. You know when there's more than one, your 2 to 3 AV squad can still clear them all up right? If they're all boxed together, move, or set up a trap. Chase them with LAVs. Block exits with REs, force them to move by dancing around them throwing REs and AV nades at them. If they aren't hacking or preventing a hack, they aren't doing much to actually help the match, unless your team is stupidly running at the tanks over and over, in which case that's on them. Unless a single proto AV fit costs 1.3 million, or a single proto tank costs 200k, then there's going to be some push and pull. You can't have a magical 1v1 environment unless everything is on a 1 to 1 scale. Bring another tank. Or a dropship. AFK if you're bad. Tanks go down all the time to halfway descent AV squads and other vehicles, not quite sure what you're doing wrong RE's do nothing while hardeners are on. AV Grenades do nothing while hardeners are on. Chasing an HAV in an LAV is suicide. You can't ambush a tank when it can road kill you in two directions at a time. Setting up a trap won't happen if it's a double hardener double repper camper tank. I have never actually seen a team win when said team goes out of their way to destroy a proto double hardener double repper camper tank, there's a good chance that it might be been because 3/8ths (6/16) of the team had to spend their teams resources to destroy the tank. I think at this point you should've given up. So you admit that your team overcommited to handling a tank that likely wasn't getting too many kills anyways, since it had to drive off for all of it's cycles, and likely was driving off if 6 players were pelting it with AV. Sounds like your team should have given up since they clearly aren't good at AV, and instead focused on just holding the points that the tank can't hack.
If the tank wasn't getting too many kills anyways then why would 6/16 players on a team go out of their way to waste their own ISK trying to help their team? 6/16 is not a team, that is a squad. This always happens on domination which means there's only one point for the tanker to worry about, that means we wouldn't be able to get any other points. You've just been jumping to conclusions this entire time. Read my posts twice before you make even more mistakes.
Attention passengers I will be your captain for the evening, I'm sure we won't run into any swarms but just inc- JUMP!!!
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DUST Fiend
16533
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:51:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:kiarbanor wrote:Why is it that dropships don't explode in the air once they run out of hit points? Tanks explode. LAVs explode. Even the MCC explodes. Why is the dropship special?
Yes, it explodes when it hits the ground, but that gives pilots plenty of time to jump out, right?
Just something I noticed last night as we took down a couple dropships. This has irked me forever, and I continue to advocate dropships actually exploding so dropship pilots actually (occasionally) die.
You might finally get a kill
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Megaman Trigger
Ready to Play
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CELESTA AUNGM wrote:Ku Shala wrote:dont quote me on this but I believe its to give passengers fair time to bail since transport ships can have 6 passengers plus a pilot. instapop would be wp jackpot. dropships can be bounced and hit from alot more angles than a lav or hav.also remember tanks lavs and drop ships use to burn to death if you didnt have a decent repair mod. You're a voice of sanity, Ku. It's probably the longest running Urban Myth that Dropships don't explode in midair from enemy fire. They DO explode in midair if hit appropriately. "Appropriately" means (from what I have been able to witness firsthand): --an ADDITIONAL shot from a Rail installation or Main Rail Turret, after the DS has reached burning/smoking animation --an ADDITIONAL shot from an LP-skilled Forge carrier, after the DS has gone into "burn" animation. --a mishap interception with a Ship-class Cannon round (the type of missile that is only fired from the MCC belly-turret or one of the Null Cannon nozzles) . The little beehive fireworks from Swarms will never trigger it----it's the one-shot punch that does it. Because we TEND to overheat our Railgun Turrets before we can successfully "give em one last pulse with my name on it"GǪ Because worried DS operators TEND to ditch-n-abandon their vehicle on a roof before you can finish shooting (thus "locking" the vehicle into a weird burn-animation that has to blow out on its own)... Because it's not too frequent that DS drivers linger in the path of the MCC-missiles (after the first time it happens to us, we learn fast)GǪ. Because Large Rail Turrets have been "trimmed" by the Devs to make it really hard to hose a DS within the Railgun's limited RoFGǪ. GǪ.you just don't witness the midair-pops of a DS too often. But that's all on the players, not on this "special privilege" that the DS-Urban Legend keeps foisting on the community. I used to turret-gun for HAVs and Installations quite a bit in the past, so I've seen the "midairs". Most of you just won't notice them---you're busy, and there's just too much other stuff going on around you to waste watching dropships all day. LOL!
Trying this on the next dropship I down.
Does it only work on ones you shoot down yourself or can you shoot one someone else has downed and trigger the explosion?
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DUST Fiend
16533
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:55:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:Trying this on the next dropship I down.
Does it only work on ones you shoot down yourself or can you shoot one someone else has downed and trigger the explosion?
Any damage beyond that which initially downed the ship should cause it to explode.
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:58:00 -
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The Modern Creature wrote:If the tank wasn't getting too many kills anyways then why would 6/16 players on a team go out of their way to waste their own ISK trying to help their team? 6/16 is not a team, that is a squad. This always happens on domination which means there's only one point for the tanker to worry about, that means we wouldn't be able to get any other points. You've just been jumping to conclusions this entire time. Read my posts twice before you make even more mistakes.
It doesn't take 6 proto AV to down a proto tank, even with both hardeners up. Either your AV "squad" was rocking basic / advanced gear, or you guys were doing something really, really wrong.
Also, domination is a ***** because you can't get any real angle of attack. Of all the game modes, Domination is dominated most easily by the team with the strongest vehicle presence, unless the objective is indoors. Different game modes take different tactics.
But, fielding a competent AV squad is definitely the first step, and if SIX of you couldn't down the tank, well...not sure what to tell you.
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The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:08:00 -
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Most decent dropship pilots got blasted out of sky and eventually the actual game, to never return again. Isnt that enough, you wanna take away the bail out mechanic of the remaining pilots aswell?
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The Modern Creature
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:08:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The Modern Creature wrote:If the tank wasn't getting too many kills anyways then why would 6/16 players on a team go out of their way to waste their own ISK trying to help their team? 6/16 is not a team, that is a squad. This always happens on domination which means there's only one point for the tanker to worry about, that means we wouldn't be able to get any other points. You've just been jumping to conclusions this entire time. Read my posts twice before you make even more mistakes. It doesn't take 6 proto AV to down a proto tank, even with both hardeners up. Either your AV "squad" was rocking basic / advanced gear, or you guys were doing something really, really wrong. Also, domination is a ***** because you can't get any real angle of attack. Of all the game modes, Domination is dominated most easily by the team with the strongest vehicle presence, unless the objective is indoors. Different game modes take different tactics. But, fielding a competent AV squad is definitely the first step, and if SIX of you couldn't down the tank, well...not sure what to tell you.
When you run proto AV there aren't just vehicles, there are infantry. And those infantry will guard the only thing capable of protecting the point, no matter how many frontline suits it takes. We're using full advanced basic medium suits so we don't go negative while hunting this unicorn. While we do get plenty of kills from the worker bees surrounding their queen, our team still refuses to do anything but enjoy a nice cup of tea in a DS while watching what's going on. The HAV will get bored and hunt for the berries and the berries will die by a horde of infantry and this shiny yellow tank. Also, you're putting quotation marks around the word squad as if that isn't what it actually is called, what have you been playing?
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:13:00 -
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The Modern Creature wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:The Modern Creature wrote:If the tank wasn't getting too many kills anyways then why would 6/16 players on a team go out of their way to waste their own ISK trying to help their team? 6/16 is not a team, that is a squad. This always happens on domination which means there's only one point for the tanker to worry about, that means we wouldn't be able to get any other points. You've just been jumping to conclusions this entire time. Read my posts twice before you make even more mistakes. It doesn't take 6 proto AV to down a proto tank, even with both hardeners up. Either your AV "squad" was rocking basic / advanced gear, or you guys were doing something really, really wrong. Also, domination is a ***** because you can't get any real angle of attack. Of all the game modes, Domination is dominated most easily by the team with the strongest vehicle presence, unless the objective is indoors. Different game modes take different tactics. But, fielding a competent AV squad is definitely the first step, and if SIX of you couldn't down the tank, well...not sure what to tell you. When you run proto AV there aren't just vehicles, there are infantry. And those infantry will guard the only thing capable of protecting the point, no matter how many frontline suits it takes. We're using full advanced basic medium suits so we don't go negative while hunting this unicorn. While we do get plenty of kills from the worker bees surrounding their queen, our team still refuses to do anything but enjoy a nice cup of tea in a DS while watching what's going on. The HAV will get bored and hunt for the berries and the berries will die by a horde of infantry and this shiny yellow tank. Also, you're putting quotation marks around the word squad as if that isn't what it actually is called, what have you been playing?
Are all 6 of those players in a single squad, communicating? If so, then it's a squad, and admittedly a rather bad one ikf between the 6 of you communicating you couldn't at the very least scare it off. If it's just 6 players on your team that switched to AV, then no, that's not a squad.
So, from the scenario you've described, not only has your team overcommitted to handling a single tank (also using less than proto vs what was likely a proto 1.3 million ISK tank), your team was also goofing off not helping out. So, of course they ran right through. Domination is THE redline game mode. I have never once joined a game of Dom that didn't almost immediately turn into a redline camp fest.
Hence why it's so popular with proto squads.
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killian178
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:22:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Because if dropship pilots have to lose their ISK AND die they would all ragequit. I already did. Respecced myself out of them. That being said, jumping out most of the time just results in you committing suicide via the flaming wreckage running you over in midair.
Almost every darn time
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:33:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:It must suck having to use tactics to take out a 1.3 million ISK asset :/ "Oh sweet lawd guys it's a HAV, switch to AV before it can destroy the suppl- okay it destroyed the supply depot. Let's run back to the- okay it killed everyone. Alright respawn in AV. Okay, everyone wait until the hardeners are down aaaan- **** some infantry got me. Respawn. ****! They fielded a second HAV. Where are you guys? They are camping the drop uplink? Okay. Just focus fire on that HAV. HIS HARDENERS ARE DOWN! YEAH! HE'S AT 20% ARMOR! HE... ran away faster than we could ever sprint. Okay. J-just... I don't know anymore." Tactics. Don't be Judge R, DUST Fiend. Never go full Judge R.
Isn't it kind of sad you had to get alts to like your post?
Also, lies are lies. 2 people with AV can kill a tank from full HP maximum hardeners and a plate... in about 4 seconds.
OH WAIT! You must be those guys who hide about 200m away taking pot shots, and wondering why the tank doesn't die when half of your attacks hit the terrain instead of the vehicles right?
That's the ONLY explanation. If you actually had an AV fit, and you were in close combat with it, you could take more than half of its health out solo... and that's with hardeners up... In about 10 seconds.
And if no hardeners... Pppppftt. it's dead.
The difference between people who get into combat, and people who hide on the edges in an AV fit, is quite a large gap.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:52:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:kiarbanor wrote:Why is it that dropships don't explode in the air once they run out of hit points? Tanks explode. LAVs explode. Even the MCC explodes. Why is the dropship special?
Yes, it explodes when it hits the ground, but that gives pilots plenty of time to jump out, right?
Just something I noticed last night as we took down a couple dropships. This has irked me forever, and I continue to advocate dropships actually exploding so dropship pilots actually (occasionally) die. You might finally get a kill
Yup. As a career AV user, it's very painful to get no kills since vehicles are so OP.
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:55:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:kiarbanor wrote:Why is it that dropships don't explode in the air once they run out of hit points? Tanks explode. LAVs explode. Even the MCC explodes. Why is the dropship special?
Yes, it explodes when it hits the ground, but that gives pilots plenty of time to jump out, right?
Just something I noticed last night as we took down a couple dropships. This has irked me forever, and I continue to advocate dropships actually exploding so dropship pilots actually (occasionally) die. You might finally get a kill Yup. As a career AV user, it's very painful to get no kills since vehicles are so OP.
Plenty of players who aren't bad do just fine taking out vehicles.
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
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Posted - 2015.04.23 02:32:00 -
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Because it looks badass to watch them plummet from the sky
I'm all for locking pilots in when the health equals zero but not passengers, currently not enough people use them for transportation
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Posted - 2015.04.23 04:29:00 -
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Well, aren't we all getting a little feisty.
I can't count how many zigs and zags this conversation has taken, but I find it all pretty interesting.
Just to respond to multiple posts at once:
1. I never said anything about locking anyone into their seat. To me, that's crazy. All I want to know is why do DS pilots have some special "holy Moses, the ship is going down...I better jump out to save my blueprint suit" extra time. It doesn't make sense. If you take too much damage, you explode and you're dead. End of story.
2. This whole tank discussion is easily solved. Let me preface this by saying I have a 22mil alt that is a tanker, and I love tanking. However, tanks are OP. The only thing that needs to be done is to nerf or eliminate fuel injectors. That's it. This little change will make maneuverable shield tanks more relevant; plus, it will make slow--so freakin' tough to turn--armor tanks have to make very calculated decisions on where to engage. I could see a need to adjust prices of tank fittings if this happened, though.
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Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.04.23 06:08:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I watched you gain almost 4k likes in 2 days
When? O_o
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Posted - 2015.04.23 07:41:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So if hes not around objectives preventing the hack, what exactly is the issue? Because his presence on the battlefield prevents movement of your team and boxes you neatly into the objective so that his team can rain down MD and PLC rounds until you either A. ) Get cloned or B.) Leave the objective vacant due to massive spawn-in-insta-deaths. So why is there only one AV shooting him if your whole team is boxed in?
Madrugars are currently a thoroughly broken mechanic. Quit defending it, you just make yourself look like a jackass.
Gunnlogis aren't good enough to abuse right now.
As it stands, Madrugars are overpriced and overpowered. CCP should have been pricing by utility to begin with, not pricing based off a multiplier.
If it's four times as hard to kill as a proto AV gunner, it should only cost 4 times as much as an AV gunner.
If its 50x as hard to kill as a proto AV gunner it should cost 50x as much. But nope. We have a cost multiplier.
And we have mechanically broken tanks.
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Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.24 02:05:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:It must suck having to use tactics to take out a 1.3 million ISK asset :/ "Oh sweet lawd guys it's a HAV, switch to AV before it can destroy the suppl- okay it destroyed the supply depot. Let's run back to the- okay it killed everyone. Alright respawn in AV. Okay, everyone wait until the hardeners are down aaaan- **** some infantry got me. Respawn. ****! They fielded a second HAV. Where are you guys? They are camping the drop uplink? Okay. Just focus fire on that HAV. HIS HARDENERS ARE DOWN! YEAH! HE'S AT 20% ARMOR! HE... ran away faster than we could ever sprint. Okay. J-just... I don't know anymore." Tactics. Don't be Judge R, DUST Fiend. Never go full Judge R. Isn't it kind of sad you had to get alts to like your post? Also, lies are lies. 2 people with AV can kill a tank from full HP maximum hardeners and a plate... in about 4 seconds. OH WAIT! You must be those guys who hide about 200m away taking pot shots, and wondering why the tank doesn't die when half of your attacks hit the terrain instead of the vehicles right? That's the ONLY explanation. If you actually had an AV fit, and you were in close combat with it, you could take more than half of its health out solo... and that's with hardeners up... In about 10 seconds. And if no hardeners... Pppppftt. it's dead. The difference between people who get into combat, and people who hide on the edges in an AV fit, is quite a large gap.
You say this as if it's actually easy to just stroll up to a tank. Shytty tanks sure.. but majority of all beast mode tanks I encounter have a gunner , a second gunner who just hops out to blap dudes randomly..and then the tank driver with his big ass gun hardened to the max. Getting within AV nade or RE range when you run into that is no stroll in the park and next to impossible. Unless you zerg from multiple sides with several people..but then you are just being silly at that point.
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