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Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 6177	Posted - 2015.04.22 05:10:00 - [31] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: There's a very, very simple solution: Allow locking of messages. This prevents messages with the lock toggled on from being deleted until the lock is toggled off. It's the same kind of thing they've had for texts in phones for years. Simple, effective, and it puts control in the hands of the user. I think there should be a limit to locking them, or else we are back in the same situation. Aren't these memory problems client-side? If somebody wants to willingly slow their client by locking a lot of messages then they should be able to, I think. In my case, despite a significant amount of mail, my PS3 has never had particularly noticeable frame rate issues with DUST. But I'm going to lose my mail anyways. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2305	Posted - 2015.04.22 15:18:00 - [32] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: There's a very, very simple solution: Allow locking of messages. This prevents messages with the lock toggled on from being deleted until the lock is toggled off. It's the same kind of thing they've had for texts in phones for years. Simple, effective, and it puts control in the hands of the user. I think there should be a limit to locking them, or else we are back in the same situation. Aren't these memory problems client-side? If somebody wants to willingly slow their client by locking a lot of messages then they should be able to, I think. Yeah, the memory problems are all client side. Really it's not the messages themselves, it's the combination of everything. They really don't need to delete them, they just need to not have them loaded into memory after you leave your MQ. Nobody cares about the performance of their fat asses sitting in the MQ; what they care about is the performance experienced during a match. Which of course that's not to say that removing mail from the equation will have much of an impact unless the person has an metric ass-ton of mails but it is still one less thing adding to the burden. I've got a random blueberry in my corp. Don't know why he wanted to join but I keep him as if he's a pet. Rated [TV-MA]
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2305	Posted - 2015.04.22 15:20:00 - [33] - Quote bastille123 wrote: i dont mind all my old mails being remove (kinda sucks tho) but is your contact list getting removed too? or isnt there a way to keep them? Contact list is being kept, it's the character avatars and corp logo's being removed from the lists. At least from the last thing I recall reading from Rattati in regards to it (can't remember where that is at the moment). I've got a random blueberry in my corp. Don't know why he wanted to join but I keep him as if he's a pet. Rated [TV-MA]
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 6179	Posted - 2015.04.22 15:36:00 - [34] - Quote There shouldn't really be any justifiable reason to delete mail off of TQ (the server). Mail has never been deleted for EVE, where characters may be as much as twelve years old at this point. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19363	Posted - 2015.04.22 16:50:00 - [35] - Quote Would rather not have mail load during combat but alas I was shot down on that notion. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3866	Posted - 2015.04.22 16:53:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Would rather not have mail load during combat but alas I was shot down on that notion. If the article about World of Darkness taught us anything, you should have shouted louder. ^_^ "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19363	Posted - 2015.04.22 16:59:00 - [37] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Would rather not have mail load during combat but alas I was shot down on that notion. If the article about World of Darkness taught us anything, you should have shouted louder. ^_^ I am not going into a yelling match with the person who shot me down; it would have looked and felt silly. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2307	Posted - 2015.04.22 17:13:00 - [38] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Would rather not have mail load during combat but alas I was shot down on that notion. If the article about World of Darkness taught us anything, you should have shouted louder. ^_^ I am not going into a yelling match with the person who shot me down; it would have looked and felt silly. Well that doesn't stop you from posting a lot of the stuff you post; but good on you for exercising some discretion. Who shot you down and what was their reason, if they gave one? I've got a random blueberry in my corp. Don't know why he wanted to join but I keep him as if he's a pet. Rated [TV-MA]
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19363	Posted - 2015.04.22 17:21:00 - [39] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Would rather not have mail load during combat but alas I was shot down on that notion. If the article about World of Darkness taught us anything, you should have shouted louder. ^_^ I am not going into a yelling match with the person who shot me down; it would have looked and felt silly. Well that doesn't stop you from posting a lot of the stuff you post; but good on you for exercising some discretion. Who shot you down and what was their reason, if they gave one? Well thing is between most folks I post to and this person is that if I subject enough reasoning over time they eventually take another look at their own stance reconsider their values and then assert or reassert their position with a formulated response that would be something more tangibly digestible when I consider the options and bring them to ccp for community feedback. The person in question is immune to this method and concretes their opinions before the they finish mixing the concrete up. As for who? don't have to look far. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2309	Posted - 2015.04.22 17:38:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well thing is between most folks I post to and this person is that if I subject enough reasoning over time they eventually take another look at their own stance reconsider their values and then assert or reassert their position with a formulated response that would be something more tangibly digestible when I consider the options and bring them to ccp for community feedback. The person in question is immune to this method and concretes their opinions before the they finish mixing the concrete up. As for who? don't have to look far. There's a hundred people locked in a room with me. The lights go out and one of them kills another before the lights come back on. I don't have to look far to find the killer and I can point the finger at whoever I want; but I'm no closer to knowing who the killer is. And what of their reason, did you omit it because of some NDA bullshit or did they simply not give it? I've got a random blueberry in my corp. Don't know why he wanted to join but I keep him as if he's a pet. Rated [TV-MA]

Kaze Eyrou DUST University Ivy League 2155	Posted - 2015.04.22 17:40:00 - [41] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: fwd to alt, or use cellphone? This makes me wish we had a Dust web app. Or just Dust had access to Evegate. I too wish that Dust was connected to Evegate as well. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou Kaze's Helpful Links
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 6191	Posted - 2015.04.22 18:03:00 - [42] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: I too wish that Dust was connected to Evegate as well. This is definitely one of those things I wish had been a priority from the get-go. As it is, DUST and EVE websites use very similar login code, to the point you could "accidentally" log into the EVE website with a DUST account if you knew what you were doing. A lot of DUST's social aspects would hugely benefit from the ability to communicate away from the PS3. I've used an EVE account for this extensively in the past, but that's kinda a pain, and mail sent to your DUST account is non-existent until you get home. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19363	Posted - 2015.04.22 18:05:00 - [43] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well thing is between most folks I post to and this person is that if I subject enough reasoning over time they eventually take another look at their own stance reconsider their values and then assert or reassert their position with a formulated response that would be something more tangibly digestible when I consider the options and bring them to ccp for community feedback. The person in question is immune to this method and concretes their opinions before the they finish mixing the concrete up. As for who? don't have to look far. There's a hundred people locked in a room with me. The lights go out and one of them kills another before the lights come back on. I don't have to look far to find the killer and I can point the finger at whoever I want; but I'm no closer to knowing who the killer is. And what of their reason, did you omit it because of some NDA bullshit or did they simply not give it? rather he out himself. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23347	Posted - 2015.04.22 18:07:00 - [44] - Quote IWS I'm going to go ahead and suggest that you stop posting because you're reaaally bad at PR. Gallente Guide one day i may leave the basement but that day is not today
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19368	Posted - 2015.04.22 21:41:00 - [45] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: IWS I'm going to go ahead and suggest that you stop posting because you're reaaally bad at PR. well if we take the room of a 100 folks in it with one killer striking at every time the light goes off. (actually this hearkens back to the blue-man room show riddle; a reality TV show where the person not blue is to walk out when the lights are turned off) anyways the killer knows I know hes the killer. So I have the choice of outing him giving him no room for redemption. He can out himself and let him fully explain why he's killing. Or I can keep silent and let him kill everyone and watch everyone else tear themselves apart trying to figure out the killer...] hmm tough choice. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2638	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:06:00 - [46] - Quote Redemption? He's just disagreeing with you. There's nothing really to redeem. I agree that mail should load while you're in a match, if somebody messages you to back out, or to say a squad is open, or wants to talk about that awesome 360 noscope you just did you should be able to receive that and be able to message them back. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23381	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:11:00 - [47] - Quote IWS nobody has any clue wtf you're talking about... Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
JJ'S Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 103	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:18:00 - [48] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: ChribbaX wrote: Wait.. so mails older than 30 days using up a few bytes is causing problems for you? Seriously... A few bytes here, a few bytes there, a few bytes everywhere. It all adds up, thus is the phenomenon of accumulation and when it's all loaded at the same time, it causes problems if there isn't enough room. Gotta love when Thumb tells Chribba about coding. ahahahahaha... there is never an end from this dude.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19368	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:20:00 - [49] - Quote cleared out my eve chat logs of 3 months old 1.2 gigs of plain text. I also rather an instant messenger feature that clears itself at end of session rather than using the mail system to tell people to get out of a match for something else. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2310	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:22:00 - [50] - Quote You know IWS, people would give you less sh!t if didn't try to be coy all the damn time. Nobody is trying to get in your pants so there's no reason to play hard to get. I've got a random blueberry in my corp. Don't know why he wanted to join but I keep him as if he's a pet. Rated [TV-MA]

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23382	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:22:00 - [51] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: cleared out my eve chat logs of 3 months old 1.2 gigs of plain text. Why is that relevant to DUST? Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2310	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:24:00 - [52] - Quote JJ'S wrote: Thumb Green wrote: ChribbaX wrote: Wait.. so mails older than 30 days using up a few bytes is causing problems for you? Seriously... A few bytes here, a few bytes there, a few bytes everywhere. It all adds up, thus is the phenomenon of accumulation and when it's all loaded at the same time, it causes problems if there isn't enough room. Gotta love when Thumb tells Chribba about coding. ahahahahaha... there is never an end from this dude. I'm not telling him about coding, I'm telling him about accumulation; something he didn't consider in his comment. I've got a random blueberry in my corp. Don't know why he wanted to join but I keep him as if he's a pet. Rated [TV-MA]
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23382	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:25:00 - [53] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: JJ'S wrote: Thumb Green wrote: ChribbaX wrote: Wait.. so mails older than 30 days using up a few bytes is causing problems for you? Seriously... A few bytes here, a few bytes there, a few bytes everywhere. It all adds up, thus is the phenomenon of accumulation and when it's all loaded at the same time, it causes problems if there isn't enough room. Gotta love when Thumb tells Chribba about coding. ahahahahaha... there is never an end from this dude. I'm not telling him about coding, I'm telling him about accumulation; something he didn't consider in his comment. I'm sure Chribba realises that. What he's probably referring to is that this is a hideously poor way of doing it in the first place and even then, it shouldn't be a major contributing factor. Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2310	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:37:00 - [54] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Thumb Green wrote: JJ'S wrote: Thumb Green wrote: ChribbaX wrote: Wait.. so mails older than 30 days using up a few bytes is causing problems for you? Seriously... A few bytes here, a few bytes there, a few bytes everywhere. It all adds up, thus is the phenomenon of accumulation and when it's all loaded at the same time, it causes problems if there isn't enough room. Gotta love when Thumb tells Chribba about coding. ahahahahaha... there is never an end from this dude. I'm not telling him about coding, I'm telling him about accumulation; something he didn't consider in his comment. I'm sure Chribba realises that. What he's probably referring to is that this is a hideously poor way of doing it in the first place and even then, it shouldn't be a major contributing factor. The part I quoted pretty clearly implies to me that he didn't take accumulation into consideration. The rest of his comment is in line with what you're saying though but that's irrelevant to what I said. I've got a random blueberry in my corp. Don't know why he wanted to join but I keep him as if he's a pet. Rated [TV-MA]
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 6195	Posted - 2015.04.22 23:40:00 - [55] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Redemption? He's just disagreeing with you. There's nothing really to redeem. I agree that mail should load while you're in a match, if somebody messages you to back out, or to say a squad is open, or wants to talk about that awesome 360 noscope you just did you should be able to receive that and be able to message them back. Exactly. Right now, difficulty seeing chat notifications in match ensures that everyone is in like an echo chamber for 10-30 minutes at a time. It's really hard to meet up with friends if they have no way to contact you. Mail notification is right now the ONLY way to get someone's attention for critical things like a Planetary Conquest match needing extra people or whatever else someone might urgently need. Even I don't understand what the heck IWS is saying, but I think he means me, so if it is, he should just say what he wants to say, IMHO. FYI: I've been actively advocating for not deleting people's mail since this discussion was first floated. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Bremen van Equis Incorruptibles 389	Posted - 2015.04.22 23:57:00 - [56] - Quote THIS THREAD DELETED DUE TO PERFORMANCE ISSUES Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1619	Posted - 2015.04.23 06:28:00 - [57] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: The part I quoted pretty clearly implies to me that he didn't take accumulation into consideration. The rest of his comment is in line with what you're saying though but that's irrelevant to what I said. I'm very well aware of that if you have tons of mail it can make up a lot of data. I'll just randomly do some math using my EVE stats. During 2014 I received 2505 mails and sent 890, so all in all there was 3395 mails in my inbox (only counting 2014 and not previous years). An EVE mail can max contain 10,000 characters (not going to include overhead bytes like subject, to/from since you'd rarely use up all 10,000 chars for every mail anyway). So that's 32.4MB worth of mails in my EVE mailbox, is that a lot or not accumulation-wise? In EVE they don't let me scroll back more than about a month (BUT that is due to the number of mails rather than the size). So there's no reason they could not simply do the same in DUST rather than opting for the delete route, that's why I didn't really bother to dig into accumulation since it's (imo?) not the problem. Soraya Xel wrote: FYI: I've been actively advocating for not deleting people's mail since this discussion was first floated. Please keep fighting for that, deleting is one of the stupidest route to resolve this apparent performance issue. That should be the absolute last resort. /c DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 20838	Posted - 2015.04.23 07:00:00 - [58] - Quote Verification from our backend engineer, is that the emails are "marked as deleted" not properly deleted, so as to not load them into battle. The mails will still be on TQ. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 6199	Posted - 2015.04.23 07:47:00 - [59] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: FYI: I've been actively advocating for not deleting people's mail since this discussion was first floated. Please keep fighting for that, deleting is one of the stupidest route to resolve this apparent performance issue. That should be the absolute last resort. Absolutely, man. ChribbaX wrote: An EVE mail can max contain 10,000 characters (not going to include overhead bytes like subject, to/from since you'd rarely use up all 10,000 chars for every mail anyway). The DUST text entry box limits you to MUCH less than that, as well, so barring huge reply chains or mail sent from EVE, it's pretty unlikely for you to use anywhere near as much mail. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1620	Posted - 2015.04.23 13:29:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Verification from our backend engineer, is that the emails are "marked as deleted" not properly deleted, so as to not load them into battle. The mails will still be on TQ. So hopefully when you guys have had a chance to look closer to the mails and performance there's a chance for those to be "re-enabled" so that we can see them again? Seeing as "them being on TQ" in the sense that they are available EVE side doesn't really help us reading them from DUST (for non-corpmails that are private merc mails) - or until CREST allows us to export them? If so, this is better news that they're not completely gone, even though I am unable to do anything with them. /c DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status




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