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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2022
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Posted - 2015.04.15 18:57:00 -
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Bro, i'm loyalty rank 2 or 3 and I've been playing since chromosome. Seriously CCP?? Seriously?
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9235
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:05:00 -
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If you are rank 2 or 3 then spend like $5 - $10 and you will be at 4.
Otherwise, you will need to play more. Much more.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2024
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:07:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:If you are rank 2 or 3 then spend like $5 - $10 and you will be at 4.
Otherwise, you will need to play more. Much more.
Spend money on Dust? LOL.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
19299
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:09:00 -
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How can you be 2 or 3?
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9236
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:11:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Spend money on Dust? LOL. Then don't complain when your loyalty rank isn't high? Purchasing AUR is the fastest way to get loyalty rank.
I also have a hard time believing that you have been here since beta and only have 2 - 3 loyalty rank. Have you checked it recently? Do you play a match per week or something?
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2026
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:14:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Spend money on Dust? LOL. Then don't complain when your loyalty rank isn't high? Purchasing AUR is the fastest way to get loyalty rank. I also have a hard time believing that you have been here since beta and only have 2 - 3 loyalty rank. Have you checked it recently? Do you play a match per week or something?
Pay to win?
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Wilhelm Klingspor
DUST University
Ivy League
881
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:15:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Bro, i'm loyalty rank 2 or 3 and I've been playing since chromosome. Seriously CCP?? Seriously?
I know, they need to look up the word loyalty and see if they didn't mix it up with prosperity, royalty, generosity rank.
The butthurt inside me is spreading... i can feel it
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9236
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:15:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Pay to win? The bonuses granted by loyalty rank focus on ISK and LP gains. ISK and LP can be attained by just playing the damn game.
Pay to win would be if loyalty rank granted you +10% armor HP, increased shield recharge rates, or something.
Wilhelm Klingspor wrote:I know, they need to look up the word loyalty and see if they didn't mix it up with prosperity, royalty, generosity rank.
The butthurt inside me is spreading... i can feel it Paying customer keep the lights on and development going for everyone. They are keeping the game the F2Pers enjoy going. That's loyalty.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2026
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How can you be 2 or 3?
IDK, I was downgraded.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2027
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:20:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pay to win? The bonuses granted by loyalty rank focus on ISK and LP gains. ISK and LP can be attained by just playing the damn game. Pay to win would be if loyalty rank granted you +10% armor HP, increased shield recharge rates, or something. Wilhelm Klingspor wrote:I know, they need to look up the word loyalty and see if they didn't mix it up with prosperity, royalty, generosity rank.
The butthurt inside me is spreading... i can feel it Paying customer keep the lights on and development going for everyone. They are keeping the game the F2Pers enjoy going. That's loyalty.
If this game was worth investing in I would. Anyway- the team that brings the more isk stands a better chance at winning. Also, trading (pay for loyalty 4) = more officer weapons to some people = win.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9237
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:21:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:If this game was worth investing in I would. Anyway- the team that brings the more isk stands a better chance at winning. Also, trading (pay for loyalty 4) = more officer weapons to some people = win. You can earn loyalty rank 4 through play. Since the benefit can be earned without spending a dime it is not pay to win.
For it to be pay to win the feature would only be available for paying customers. That is not the case. It's just FASTER to pay.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
19299
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:22:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How can you be 2 or 3? IDK, I was downgraded.
how? Did you biomass?
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VAHZZ
1363
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:25:00 -
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Buy aurum
If you expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5843
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:26:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:If this game was worth investing in I would. Anyway- the team that brings the more isk stands a better chance at winning. Also, trading (pay for loyalty 4) = more officer weapons to some people = win. You can earn loyalty rank 4 through play. Since the benefit can be earned without spending a time it is not pay to win. For it to be pay to win the feature would only be available for paying customers. That is not the case. It's just FASTER to pay.
While that's true, its a matter of degree. It should be feasible for someone to unlock trading with a reasonable amount of effort and not paying. I'm not entirely sure how long it would take to unlock trading without paying, but if it's taking you know like....6 months to do, that's pretty ridiculous for a feature which is common to online games coming out of the gate.
I understand the intention of the Loyalty Rank limitation, but I think we need to take a hard look at exactly how long it will take someone to reach that with reasonable play and no AUR spent.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9237
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:28:00 -
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And not even a lot of aurum, by the way. To go from 0 to 4 takes $20. If OP has been playing a while it probably won't even take that much at all. Don't supersize your next fast food combo and boom, loyalty rank 4.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9238
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:32:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:I understand the intention of the Loyalty Rank limitation, but I think we need to take a hard look at exactly how long it will take someone to reach that with reasonable play and no AUR spent. This is actually a fair point.
More ways to earn LR XP is something I think we need to examine and Cross Atu is providing some good ideas. Brain storming thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2725622#post2725622
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
934
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:36:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How can you be 2 or 3?
Rank 3 had this toon for almost 2 years.
My main is Rank 3 almost rank 4 that had him since Jan 2013.
Have not bought aurum because I put the needs of my family first and I have taken months off at a time because of work and family.
I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2029
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How can you be 2 or 3? IDK, I was downgraded. how? Did you biomass?
no I just randomly went from 4->3
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
523
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:42:00 -
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"RANK" is a military-style vanity thing. It was never a component of Dust 514, (in my mind it even brings up terms like Private, and Corporal that don't fully fit into this removed-from-humankind New Eden fantasy idea that CCP created), and I suspect it was only added to the game to please the competitive fps gunnies amongst us. Guy with a Gun--gotta reach top-score, gotta have "gold" icon on suit or next to name, so he can strut to those who don't have yet.
It's a great idea because they know many of you GOTTA have a "Rank"-ing to display in your gaming, or you'll just bust!
It's also the reason, (a very good reason, a smart decision) to attach AURUM to the Rank fever. Also, if you notice, the really effective benefits from rank, such as ISK % increase, Resale % increase, etc, don't reach any worthwhile numbers until Rank-8 or so.
It's so DEVILISHLY New Eden of them---I love it. I'm immune to this whole Rank thing (I hit the "hide-rank" option in my matches), and couldn't care less is my Rank ever reaches '3'. But I have to say it's clever.
Anyone who claims CCP is a team of designers who don't know what they're doing,.. HA. They know what they're doing. And the Ranking-hook is working perfectly as intended. 
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
No story can have life without writers and publishers.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2029
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:42:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:If this game was worth investing in I would. Anyway- the team that brings the more isk stands a better chance at winning. Also, trading (pay for loyalty 4) = more officer weapons to some people = win. You can earn loyalty rank 4 through play. Since the benefit can be earned without spending a dime it is not pay to win. For it to be pay to win the feature would only be available for paying customers. That is not the case. It's just FASTER to pay.
If I spent $10 I would be rank 4, If I didn't it will take months. seems P2W.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2951
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:48:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I understand the intention of the Loyalty Rank limitation, but I think we need to take a hard look at exactly how long it will take someone to reach that with reasonable play and no AUR spent. This is actually a fair point. More ways to earn LR XP is something I think we need to examine and Cross Atu is providing some good ideas. Brain storming thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2725622#post2725622
Your link is broken for me.
I agree that improving the LP XP formula is probably a good idea. In a way, having the AUR cost to hit LR 4 so cheap could create opportunities for abuse. You could set up 5 accounts with 3 characters churning out warbarge components for $100 for example, all able to trade. Assuming all 5 accounts have the factory upgraded to level 2 (probably higher) then you're looking at 4,500 components per day. I'm pretty sure it costs a lot more than $100 to get your factory to level 5 where it's only making 600/day.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9244
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:57:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:If this game was worth investing in I would. Anyway- the team that brings the more isk stands a better chance at winning. Also, trading (pay for loyalty 4) = more officer weapons to some people = win. You can earn loyalty rank 4 through play. Since the benefit can be earned without spending a dime it is not pay to win. For it to be pay to win the feature would only be available for paying customers. That is not the case. It's just FASTER to pay. If I spent $10 I would be rank 4, If I didn't it will take months. seems P2W. No combat bonuses, not p2w. The bonuses can be earned without spending aurum.
Faster =/= p2w
If you can't pay aurum at least pay attention.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
934
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:59:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:If this game was worth investing in I would. Anyway- the team that brings the more isk stands a better chance at winning. Also, trading (pay for loyalty 4) = more officer weapons to some people = win. You can earn loyalty rank 4 through play. Since the benefit can be earned without spending a dime it is not pay to win. For it to be pay to win the feature would only be available for paying customers. That is not the case. It's just FASTER to pay. If I spent $10 I would be rank 4, If I didn't it will take months. seems P2W. No combat bonuses, not p2w. The bonuses can be earned without spending aurum. Faster =/= p2w If you can't pay aurum at least pay attention.
I'm too cheap to pay atten- oh look a squirrel!
I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5846
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Posted - 2015.04.15 20:00:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:No combat bonuses, not p2w. The bonuses can be earned without spending aurum.
Faster =/= p2w
If you can't pay aurum at least pay attention.
P2W is such a lame buzzword. People love to toss it around in order to make a situation seem worse.
It's not pay to win, but it shouldn't feel like you have to pay in order to unlock a common trading ability in-game.
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Duke Noobiam
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
411
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Posted - 2015.04.15 20:14:00 -
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Lol at players who have been playing DUST for over 2 years yet state that the game is not worth spending any money on.
Your actions are a complete contradiction to your stated opinion and as such you have shown yourself to either be lacking in honesty or self awareness or the ability to reason.
BTW, I mean no disrespect to those who genuinely cannot afford to spend money on games.
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Wilhelm Klingspor
DUST University
Ivy League
882
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Posted - 2015.04.15 20:59:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pay to win? The bonuses granted by loyalty rank focus on ISK and LP gains. ISK and LP can be attained by just playing the damn game. Pay to win would be if loyalty rank granted you +10% armor HP, increased shield recharge rates, or something. Wilhelm Klingspor wrote:I know, they need to look up the word loyalty and see if they didn't mix it up with prosperity, royalty, generosity rank.
The butthurt inside me is spreading... i can feel it Paying customer keep the lights on and development going for everyone. They are keeping the game the F2Pers enjoy going. That's loyalty.
I did spend money on dust, i bought a merc pack...just kept the AUR in hopes of more BPO stuff. i bought it because it was worth the price and i wanted to throw ccp some money.
And i've been with the game 2 years now. Yet i'm not Loyal enough to trade? Sorry if i'm missing something.
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Harpyja
2372
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How can you be 2 or 3?
I've been playing since Mordu's Trials and I'm only rank 2. What a joke this loyalty rank system is.
"By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2030
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:37:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How can you be 2 or 3? I've been playing since Mordu's Trials and I'm only rank 2. What a joke this loyalty rank system is.
IKR!
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Elpedo Hughes
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:54:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Bro, i'm loyalty rank 2 or 3 and I've been playing since chromosome. Seriously CCP?? Seriously?
So you think you should have a say on a game you've spent nothing on? |
Harpyja
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Posted - 2015.04.15 22:00:00 -
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Elpedo Hughes wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Bro, i'm loyalty rank 2 or 3 and I've been playing since chromosome. Seriously CCP?? Seriously? So you think you should have a say on a game you've spent nothing on?
You think someone who has played the game for only 30 minutes but spent over $100 should have a say on anything?
Tell me, what would happen if all the players that didn't spend any money on Dust were to just stop playing and leave? You will have a very small player pool left. Matchmaking and game queues get screwed, and the remaining paying players will become unhappy with the small player pool. They too will start dropping out and Dust is left with a player pool size which isn't enough to sustain CCP's finances.
Tl;dr
Time spent on a game also equates to loyalty and deserves the same respect.
"By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2032
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Posted - 2015.04.15 22:02:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Elpedo Hughes wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Bro, i'm loyalty rank 2 or 3 and I've been playing since chromosome. Seriously CCP?? Seriously? So you think you should have a say on a game you've spent nothing on? You think someone who has played the game for only 30 minutes but spent over $100 should have a say on anything? Tell me, what would happen if all the players that didn't spend any money on Dust were to just stop playing and leave? You will have a very small player pool left. Matchmaking and game queues get screwed, and the remaining paying players will become unhappy with the small player pool. They too will start dropping out and Dust is left with a player pool size which isn't enough to sustain CCP's finances. Tl;dr Time spent on a game also equates to loyalty and deserves the same respect.
Lol. U r a beast.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
1051
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Posted - 2015.04.15 22:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How can you be 2 or 3?
You'd only just scrape a loyalty ranking of 3 if you hadn't bought aurum...
Think about that for a bit.... |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9260
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:21:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Tl;dr
Time spent on a game also equates to loyalty and deserves the some respect. Fixed. F2Pers are valuable, but in the end if they don't spend some pocket change on Dust they aren't helping the game stay afloat.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2032
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:27:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Harpyja wrote:Tl;dr
Time spent on a game also equates to loyalty and deserves the some respect. Fixed. F2Pers are valuable, but in the end if they don't spend some pocket change on Dust they aren't helping the game stay afloat.
You do realize that if we actually had to pay for this game- most of us would never have even picked it up considering the terrible IGN reviews and other reviews. Also- in my opinion- time spent on a game deserves more respect than money. I'm not rich nor are a lot of other players that play. If you pay, great you get arum and can buy stuff with secondary currency and buy respec (I'm not hatin) but when it comes to key things like trading- it should be available to everyone especially people that have played this game two three years.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
10125
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:31:00 -
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I think you're lying. There's no way on earth you're so low. My secondary character is higher than you and I haven't spent a dime on it.
As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP
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Patrick57
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:32:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pay to win? The bonuses granted by loyalty rank focus on ISK and LP gains. ISK and LP can be attained by just playing the damn game. Pay to win would be if loyalty rank granted you +10% armor HP, increased shield recharge rates, or something. Wilhelm Klingspor wrote:I know, they need to look up the word loyalty and see if they didn't mix it up with prosperity, royalty, generosity rank.
The butthurt inside me is spreading... i can feel it Paying customer keep the lights on and development going for everyone. They are keeping the game the F2Pers enjoy going. That's loyalty. If this game was worth investing in I would. Anyway- the team that brings the more isk stands a better chance at winning. Also, trading (pay for loyalty 4) = more officer weapons to some people = win.
this post reads like you didn't even read his post |
Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
724
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:33:00 -
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Your only level 2 or 3 if you made the account and never really played on it. Not a valid argument ~(._.~)
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Sicerly Yaw
Quantum times
76
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:35:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:If this game was worth investing in I would. Anyway- the team that brings the more isk stands a better chance at winning. Also, trading (pay for loyalty 4) = more officer weapons to some people = win. You can earn loyalty rank 4 through play. Since the benefit can be earned without spending a time it is not pay to win. For it to be pay to win the feature would only be available for paying customers. That is not the case. It's just FASTER to pay. While that's true, its a matter of degree. It should be feasible for someone to unlock trading with a reasonable amount of effort and not paying. I'm not entirely sure how long it would take to unlock trading without paying, but if it's taking you know like....6 months to do, that's pretty ridiculous for a feature which is common to online games coming out of the gate. I understand the intention of the Loyalty Rank limitation, but I think we need to take a hard look at exactly how long it will take someone to reach that with reasonable play and no AUR spent.
lower it to 3 i've been playing for almost a year now and I play a lot, im barely rank 3 |
maeth-01 2501
Savage Bullet
General Tso's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:42:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Bro, i'm loyalty rank 2 or 3 and I've been playing since chromosome. Seriously CCP?? Seriously?
Im half way through 2 and I have probably only played about 10 FW in the last 2 years........ are you sure your playing it right
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JJ'S
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:45:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Bro, i'm loyalty rank 2 or 3 and I've been playing since chromosome. Seriously CCP?? Seriously?
It takes like 24 years playing 8 hours a day and being a decent player to reach Rank 15.
At some point the "Pay to get sooner" Argument to avoid the "Pay to win" Argument becomes moot.
If it's pay money or wait 24 years... It's ******* pay to win. No matter how much fanboys want to sugar coat it.
Warbarge is no different.
CCP's underhanded business practices have completely turned me off from ever putting another dollar into this IP. |
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9264
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:55:00 -
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JJ'S wrote:It takes like 24 years playing 8 hours a day and being a decent player to reach Rank 15. Except we aren't talking about loyalty rank 15, you tool. We are talking about loyalty rank 4. That's the rank needed to open up simple player trading, if you forgot in the span of 2 pages.
Sir Dukey wrote:in my opinion- time spent on a game deserves more respect than money. Ask a business who they respect though. The guy who has played Dust 514 for two years and hasn't spent a dime or the guy who has played for two years and spent $20+
I'll give you two guesses, but you'll only need one.
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Meric Voyer
Universal Rogue Traders
33
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:58:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:
Faster =/= p2w
If you can't pay aurum at least pay attention.
Bahahaha. Nail. Head. Thoroughly hit. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
7081
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Posted - 2015.04.15 23:58:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:If you are rank 2 or 3 then spend like $5 - $10 and you will be at 4.
Otherwise, you will need to play more. Much more. Spend money on Dust? LOL.
It's 5 dollars, bro. That's below minimum wage. |
Meric Voyer
Universal Rogue Traders
33
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:00:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Time spent on a game also equates to loyalty and deserves the same respect.
+1
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9264
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:01:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:It's 5 dollars, bro. That's below minimum wage. ******* thank you.
If OP wasn't a giant shitass about loyalty rank I would offer to send him a $10 PSN card because I can afford it right now.
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Meric Voyer
Universal Rogue Traders
33
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:02:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Harpyja wrote:Tl;dr
Time spent on a game also equates to loyalty and deserves the some respect. Fixed. F2Pers are valuable, but in the end if they don't spend some pocket change on Dust they aren't helping the game stay afloat.
Fixed? What about the word "the" that you left in there?
"the some respect"
lol, is that a CCP fix? bahahaha |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9264
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:03:00 -
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Meric Voyer wrote:Fixed? What about the word "the" that you left in there?
"the some respect"
lol, is that a CCP fix? bahahaha  I'm on my phone damn it. You don't know how hard it is to edit quotes on this thing with my sausage fingers.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2034
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:04:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:If you are rank 2 or 3 then spend like $5 - $10 and you will be at 4.
Otherwise, you will need to play more. Much more. Spend money on Dust? LOL. It's 5 dollars, bro. That's below minimum wage.
I can't afford that m8. I'm a broke ass college student.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Meric Voyer
Universal Rogue Traders
33
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:05:00 -
[49] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote: I'm on my phone damn it. You don't know how hard it is to edit quotes on this thing with my sausage fingers.
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JJ'S
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:13:00 -
[50] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:JJ'S wrote:It takes like 24 years playing 8 hours a day and being a decent player to reach Rank 15. Except we aren't talking about loyalty rank 15, you tool. We are talking about loyalty rank 4. That's the rank needed to open up simple player trading, if you forgot in the span of 2 pages.
If you think in very very small brain functions at a time and are unable to see the entire picture past a simple trading feature....
Then i would be a tool?
If you however understand that it takes 28 years to reach rank 15... It doesn't matter what freaking rank your talking about.... or WHAT magical feature CCP has decided to tie into it.
When it is taking you potentially 28 years to gain 15 ranks... How many to gain 4? How does the current system even make sense?
Oh yea, I forgot... you wanted to talk about an extremely small picture and don't want any side facts or information getting in the way of that narrowly small picture. |
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
947
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:17:00 -
[51] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Meric Voyer wrote:Fixed? What about the word "the" that you left in there?
"the some respect"
lol, is that a CCP fix? bahahaha I'm on my phone damn it. You don't know how hard it is to edit quotes on this thing with my sausage fingers.
I know them feels bro... I know them feels...
I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9266
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:18:00 -
[52] - Quote
JJ'S wrote:When it is taking you potentially 28 years to gain 15 ranks... How many to gain 4? How does the current system even make sense? LR XP needed grows exponentially. The requirement starts very small and increases more and more with each level. Getting from 2 -> 3 for example, will take muuuch less time than 6 -> 7. Comparing getting to rank 15 with the time it takes to get to rank 4 is asinine in a way I cannot describe with words.
Of course it's going to take longer.
If you want to improve this then help the community come up with ways to generate LR XP faster. I've got a thread open (that you have already shitposted in). Increasing the speed we gain LR XP through play will reduce that "28 years to rank 15" you keeping screaming about.
@Ripley_Riley
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
265
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Posted - 2015.04.16 01:14:00 -
[53] - Quote
You definitely should be higher. I have played since uprising 1.3- present and I am a corporal. Still need some to reach rank 4 and I've never used ISk.
48th Special Operations Force.
Twitter- @48SOF
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Stormblade Green
KnightKiller's inc.
71
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Posted - 2015.04.16 01:47:00 -
[54] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Spend money on Dust? LOL. Then don't complain when your loyalty rank isn't high? Purchasing AUR is the fastest way to get loyalty rank. I also have a hard time believing that you have been here since beta and only have 2 - 3 loyalty rank. Have you checked it recently? Do you play a match per week or something? Pay to win?
It is pay for convenience mainly.
One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
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thehellisgoingon
MONSTER SYNERGY
431
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Posted - 2015.04.16 02:14:00 -
[55] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:Bro, i'm loyalty rank 2 or 3 and I've been playing since chromosome. Seriously CCP?? Seriously?
Hahahahahahha |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1120
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Posted - 2015.04.16 03:49:00 -
[56] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Spend money on Dust? LOL. Then don't complain when your loyalty rank isn't high? Purchasing AUR is the fastest way to get loyalty rank. I also have a hard time believing that you have been here since beta and only have 2 - 3 loyalty rank. Have you checked it recently? Do you play a match per week or something? Pay to win?
free to play? |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
7090
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:Joel II X wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:If you are rank 2 or 3 then spend like $5 - $10 and you will be at 4.
Otherwise, you will need to play more. Much more. Spend money on Dust? LOL. It's 5 dollars, bro. That's below minimum wage. I can't afford that m8. I'm a broke ass college student.
Get a job, ya damn hippie. I'm a full time college student and have a part time job. I could buy an Elite Pack every week of I wanted to. |
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
1107
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:39:00 -
[58] - Quote
I started playing in Uprising 1.4, never spent a penny on Dust, loyalty rank 4. |
Ion Durziac
PIanet Express
Smart Deploy
5
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:41:00 -
[59] - Quote
OMFG loyalty rank 3 actually exsists!?!?!?
Rage quitting is for losers throw a chair first and leave the match - Ion Durziac. Professional Chair Thrower
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Ion Durziac
PIanet Express
Smart Deploy
5
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:42:00 -
[60] - Quote
Joel II X wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Joel II X wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:If you are rank 2 or 3 then spend like $5 - $10 and you will be at 4.
Otherwise, you will need to play more. Much more. Spend money on Dust? LOL. It's 5 dollars, bro. That's below minimum wage. I can't afford that m8. I'm a broke ass college student. Get a job, ya damn hippie. I'm a full time college student and have a part time job. I could buy an Elite Pack every week of I wanted to.
Good Job?
Rage quitting is for losers throw a chair first and leave the match - Ion Durziac. Professional Chair Thrower
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9289
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:45:00 -
[61] - Quote
The point Joel is trying to make is that very few people who own a PS3 and broadband internet can't afford $5 - $10, I think.
I'm still extremely skeptical that OP is really loyalty rank 2 or 3 if has been playing his as long as he says he has. Maybe OP only plays a match per month.
@Ripley_Riley
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9443
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:47:00 -
[62] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:The point Joel is trying to make is that very few people who own a PS3 and broadband internet can't afford $5 - $10, I think.
I'm still extremely skeptical that OP is really loyalty rank 2 or 3 if has been playing his as long as he says he has. Maybe OP only plays a match per month.
The points for playing are so low that you basically have had to spend money. I know Spade has been around forever, but is only level 2.
I liked the idea of the Traders License someone brought up, so maybe there will be a work around.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9290
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:51:00 -
[63] - Quote
One Eyed King wrote:The points for playing are so low that you basically have had to spend money. I know Spade has been around forever, but is only level 2.
I liked the idea of the Traders License someone brought up, so maybe there will be a work around. Why buy a trader's license, which only nets you one thing: the ability to trade, when you could spend $10 in AUR on literally anything else and get loyalty rank + the ability to trade + that thing you just bought?
"Being around forever" has precisely nothing to do with loyalty rank. It's tied to activity. If Spade logs in once a week and plays a single match then yeah, his rank is going to be low. Working as intended.
@Ripley_Riley
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Godin Thekiller
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
3095
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Posted - 2015.04.16 17:53:00 -
[64] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pay to win? The bonuses granted by loyalty rank focus on ISK and LP gains. ISK and LP can be attained by just playing the damn game. Pay to win would be if loyalty rank granted you +10% armor HP, increased shield recharge rates, or something. Wilhelm Klingspor wrote:I know, they need to look up the word loyalty and see if they didn't mix it up with prosperity, royalty, generosity rank.
The butthurt inside me is spreading... i can feel it Paying customers keep the lights on and development going for everyone. They are keeping the game the F2Pers enjoy going. That's loyalty.
Well, to be fair, if manufacturing, and playing the market like a fiddle ever becomes a actual viable profession, then it will be kinda broken.
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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TRULY ELITE
Titans of Phoenix
296
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:29:00 -
[65] - Quote
This guy just spews bs 24/7
Born Amarr, Pure Minmatar.
Assault, Commando, Logistics, Sentinel, Scout MK.0
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9333
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:30:00 -
[66] - Quote
Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, to be fair, if manufacturing, and playing the market like a fiddle ever becomes a actual viable profession, then it will be kinda broken. Godin, how long did it take for us to get simple player trading? Let's all be honest here... we aren't going to see manufactoring anytime soon.
@Ripley_Riley
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Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
203
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:27:00 -
[67] - Quote
Does anyone know formula for loyalty ranks ? |
Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2054
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Posted - 2015.04.17 01:30:00 -
[68] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:The point Joel is trying to make is that very few people who own a PS3 and broadband internet can't afford $5 - $10, I think.
I'm still extremely skeptical that OP is really loyalty rank 2 or 3 if has been playing his as long as he says he has. Maybe OP only plays a match per month.
you do realize that one battle probably gives like one or two points toward your loyalty rank while winning may give a little more. And between level 0 and level 4 you have to earn thousands of points.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9373
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Posted - 2015.04.17 02:34:00 -
[69] - Quote
Sir Dukey wrote:you do realize that one battle probably gives like one or two points toward your loyalty rank while winning may give a little more. And between level 0 and level 4 you have to earn thousands of points. And you realize that just logging in, without doing jack ****, gives you 5 XP. You also get 1 XP per 500 WPs.
In a match I earn 2,000+ WPs: 4 XP + 2XP for the match + 2 if I win = 8 XP
Just play the game.
If that pace is too slow then buy the equivalent of one Burger King combo worth of AUR and you are there.
@Ripley_Riley
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9475
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Posted - 2015.04.17 02:39:00 -
[70] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:One Eyed King wrote:The points for playing are so low that you basically have had to spend money. I know Spade has been around forever, but is only level 2.
I liked the idea of the Traders License someone brought up, so maybe there will be a work around. Why buy a trader's license, which only nets you one thing: the ability to trade, when you could spend $10 in AUR on literally anything else and get loyalty rank + the ability to trade + that thing you just bought? "Being around forever" has precisely nothing to do with loyalty rank. It's tied to activity. If Spade logs in once a week and plays a single match then yeah, his rank is going to be low. Working as intended.
He has been way more active than that.
I think there is room for compromise though. The reason for the Loyalty Rank requirement is to prevent abuse, and nothing more.
If another mechanic can be equally effective in preventing abuse, while opening up trading to a greater number of players, particularly people who have stuck with the game through thick and thin, then I think that would be a better option.
Loyalty Rank should be a last resort option to prevent abuse, as this could literally be the one thing in this game that could be then described as P2W (available via real money that isn't reasonable available without it).
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Sophie DV
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
52
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Posted - 2015.04.17 03:49:00 -
[71] - Quote
I'm loyalty rank 3 and a half or so right now, and i've been playing since chromosome also. I play a fair bit (a few hours a day, lately), so it's not THAT easy to get it to 4.
If they want any F2Pers trading, they need to lower it to 3, otherwise you pretty much have to spend a bit of money in order to unlock trading priviledges.
And before any nubs ask if i biomassed, or played another character alot, the answer is no; i've played the same character virtually forever. |
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