So you're ok with the forge which can engage and hit anything within 300m, but you're not ok with a weapon that can only engage at 175m but can hit at 400? Would you prefer Swarm Lock be 300m and max range be 300m?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Swarms to have a larger skill element associated with them, but I'm a little confused about why you're fine with Forges but no Swarms on a range-basis.

So you're ok with the forge which can engage and hit anything within 300m, but you're not ok with a weapon that can only engage at 175m but can hit at 400? Would you prefer Swarm Lock be 300m and max range be 300m?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Swarms to have a larger skill element associated with them, but I'm a little confused about why you're fine with Forges but no Swarms on a range-basis.

Forge gun is a skill vs skill engagement. Each player puts in an effort, and each has the opportunity to outplay the other.

Swarms is a mechanics vs skill engagement. Especially at range, where the swarmer just puts his swarms in the air and goes on about his day. I'm not quite sure what would make them feel better, I really feel they're just a poorly designed weapon and no amount of tweaks will ever make them satisfying to fight against, because they won't ever lead to skill vs skill engagements like forge guns and plasma cannons do.

Just me venting a little after blowing up to Proto Swarms waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay away from where they were fired lol.

swarms still require getting into lock on range, pretty much being in the open..and exposed in the process. Blame your team for letting a swarmer lock you then.

Why must an auto aim weapon travel so far? @_@

Give it some kind of buff I don't even care (even though they reaaaalllyy don't need one), just please for the love of God don't make them travel all over the map after you lol.

Forge Gunners are like AV Unicorns ever since swarms got buffed lol

Forge gun is a skill vs skill engagement. Each player puts in an effort, and each has the opportunity to outplay the other.

Swarms is a mechanics vs skill engagement. Especially at range, where the swarmer just puts his swarms in the air and goes on about his day. I'm not quite sure what would make them feel better, I really feel they're just a poorly designed weapon and no amount of tweaks will ever make them satisfying to fight against, because they won't ever lead to skill vs skill engagements like forge guns and plasma cannons do.

Just me venting a little after blowing up to Proto Swarms waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay away from where they were fired lol.

175 meters isn't exactly "close" hahaha. The only swarmers who wander out into the open for a lock are the scrubs using basic and militia swarms lol. There is PLENTY of cover and roofs for swarmers to shoot from behind cover.

Why do leave every battle you join?

u say its more fun to have a skill vs skill fight. why?
if the mechanics and results are the same who care if they are manually steered or auto lock.
the fact would remain that there are missiles coming at you.

also why is a forge gunner not seen as a "cowardly sniper" or "scrub swarmer"?
why do vehicles not hate fg's? i dont get it.

So you're ok with the forge which can engage and hit anything within 300m, but you're not ok with a weapon that can only engage at 175m but can hit at 400? Would you prefer Swarm Lock be 300m and max range be 300m?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Swarms to have a larger skill element associated with them, but I'm a little confused about why you're fine with Forges but no Swarms on a range-basis.

swarms still require getting into lock on range, pretty much being in the open..and exposed in the process. Blame your team for letting a swarmer lock you then.

When facing a forge gunner, you actually have a chance to outmaneuver him, and for him to outplay you. It's more of a respect thing. No one with any skill really thinks "wow that noob is using a forge gun". And we think that because it's pretty even between us and them. If I have my understanding of their timings down just right, I can change direction or alter elevation at the last possible second to evade their shot. Same goes for the forge gunner. If he has an innate understanding of how long my hardeners last, or if I'm using my NOS on my tank, he can adjust his timing for that engagement and destroy me.

No one ever thinks "wow that swarmer really outplayed me" because the swarmer never had to really do much of anything. He got his lock, spammed his missiles blindly, and went on about his day. No opportunity for either player to out play the other, just plain, boring, mechanical win / lose situations for both players. Also pretty much everyone can accept that having to lead your shots is a skill intensive endeavor, something swarmers will never have to worry about. Hell, literally the only leg swarmers have to stand on is "I can't shoot infantry", and it's basically the only argument that ever gets thrown around

At this point I'd rather make swarm launchers be able to effect infantry in some way, and make it so swarm missiles have to be guided to their target by a targeting laser. Probably up the damage at the same time since less swarms would be launched at once. At least then maneuvering and positioning become important for both players, instead of seeing red, waiting three seconds, and collecting points. Buuuuut, that would require programming, sooooooooo....not gonna happen lol.

when u say "facing" do u mean u are trying to kill them in a 1v1?
if so i would agree that fg and ds are probly pretty good battle.
but i tend to think of swarms like a massdriver. an area denial weapon that gives u some warning but if u ignore the warning ur guna have a bad time.
fg actually pisses me off more because there is no warning just insta pop after taking damage from someone else.
but i no complain, ds's are pretty cheap now.

**** your tank. don't bring it out, crybaby. ***** ass ***** with no ******* gun game so you run around in your ***** ass tank. **** you. just so much **** you!