DUST Search - Punishment for leaving match early

Ripley Riley wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

500,000 ISK penalty for breach of mercenary contract, to be added to the payout pool of the players who remained.

Because **** you, seriously.

If the player has no isk, they get locked out of matches for an extended period of time.

Wow, that's a steep ass penalty. I can't get behind that. Sorry, not sorry. We do need a penalty, but this is not it.

We should get one leave-early every 24 hours without a penalty. This could be because of a matchmaking weirdness where a squadmate gets omitted from deployment, or disconnection, or whatever.

After that, every time you leave-early you will have a wait time that increases exponentially; 1, 3, 5, 10, then finally maxing out at 15 minute wait time. During that wait time you cannot join any non-PC match.

Alternatively, CCP could implement a bonus that increase exponentially for staying in a match. After the 1st match of the day you get a 5% ISK bump from EoM payouts. The bonus steadily increases for every match you see through to victory, or bitter end. Maybe maxing out at 10 - 12%.

Ghosts Chance wrote:

Once it gets to the point where i cant circumvent punishments for leaving a game to pick up dropped squad mates, then your also punishing a whole load of people who didn't do anything wrong :P

then you get another mass exodus from dust :P

Ghost, if the exodus consists of people who exhibit the behavior you are describing then I don't consider that a huge loss.

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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5555	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:28:00 - [1] - Quote 500,000 ISK penalty for breach of mercenary contract, to be added to the payout pool of the players who remained. Because **** you, seriously. If the player has no isk, they get locked out of matches for an extended period of time. Usually banned for being too awesome.
DiablosMajora 81	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:30:00 - [2] - Quote 5-10 minute cooldown before joining another battle if you leave early (not disconnected) Prepare your angus
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 700	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:32:00 - [3] - Quote As I wrote in another thread, Ratt should create a Contract Violation Ratio. This ratio would be directly connected to battle payout. If you constantly leave battles, your payouts get smaller and smaller. What these players loose, the rest will gain, in relation to their personal Contract Violation Ratio. This metric could be finetuned to get the desired effect.
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 321	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:34:00 - [4] - Quote I would prefer a 300 000 ISK penalty after the second leaving of a battle, with increasing penalties with each offense where the penalty level is reset each downtime. You are also locked out of public matches after the 7th leaving until downtime(server maintenance, 24hr wait time at most). disconnects will not give isk penalties, but you are locked out of public matches for 24 hours after the 7th disconnect/leaving of battle.
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3221	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:38:00 - [5] - Quote wich one of these reasons for leaving do you feel deserve a 500k isk penalty 1: player from my squad got dropped 2: i got dropped 3: train map 4: lag / up against foreign teams that belong on the EU/Asia server causing extreme lag. 5: not enough players and the ones that arnt in my squad seem to consist of a guy in a viper putting uplinks on towers and 2 redline snipers. i just refuse to carry that. 6: games already half over and i wont make enough isk to cover losses due to the isk formula 7: i already left the match due to one of the above reasons and it put me back in Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7777	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:41:00 - [6] - Quote 8: Squad abandons mission simultaneously. AV
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4279	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:43:00 - [7] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: wich one of these reasons for leaving do you feel deserve a 500k isk penalty 1: player from my squad got dropped 2: i got dropped 3: train map 4: lag / up against foreign teams that belong on the EU/Asia server causing extreme lag. 5: not enough players and the ones that arnt in my squad seem to consist of a guy in a viper putting uplinks on towers and 2 redline snipers. i just refuse to carry that. 6: games already half over and i wont make enough isk to cover losses due to the isk formula 7: i already left the match due to one of the above reasons and it put me back in ^this Except that i like train map and hate tenpenny tower map. Pimp my Barge
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3222	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:48:00 - [8] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: wich one of these reasons for leaving do you feel deserve a 500k isk penalty 1: player from my squad got dropped 2: i got dropped 3: train map 4: lag / up against foreign teams that belong on the EU/Asia server causing extreme lag. 5: not enough players and the ones that arnt in my squad seem to consist of a guy in a viper putting uplinks on towers and 2 redline snipers. i just refuse to carry that. 6: games already half over and i wont make enough isk to cover losses due to the isk formula 7: i already left the match due to one of the above reasons and it put me back in ^this Except that i like train map and hate tenpenny tower map. ill play the train map when i plan on pullling out a tank or when i had my calmando (lol king of the hill), but my squad tends to have a standing policy to elave it unless we say ahead of time that well roll tanks in it. Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 700	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:52:00 - [9] - Quote People getting dropped from squad is definitely an urgent matter, that Rattati shoud try to solve somehow. Apart from that, I had less problems with the trainyard constantly showing up (never more than twice in a row) I don't know why you Amarricans always rage about foreigners, this is a game with EU based servers, if anything, you are the foreigners... And all in all, we are living on the same planet so no hate please. Though I would agree, that server selection should not be possible. To prevent exploitation of lag. Games already half over can be an issue, but I'd say, as long as your MCC barely scratched armour, you still can win a match (Dom). Getting dropped into a battle that has only 50% armour left on your MCC (while enemy sitll having half his shield) is fail on Scotty though.
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 468	Posted - 2015.04.02 11:58:00 - [10] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 500,000 ISK penalty for breach of mercenary contract, to be added to the payout pool of the players who remained. Because **** you, seriously. If the player has no isk, they get locked out of matches for an extended period of time. Oh yes, the quiters need to be Punished. Molestia approved

shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4279	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:01:00 - [11] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: shaman oga wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: wich one of these reasons for leaving do you feel deserve a 500k isk penalty 1: player from my squad got dropped 2: i got dropped 3: train map 4: lag / up against foreign teams that belong on the EU/Asia server causing extreme lag. 5: not enough players and the ones that arnt in my squad seem to consist of a guy in a viper putting uplinks on towers and 2 redline snipers. i just refuse to carry that. 6: games already half over and i wont make enough isk to cover losses due to the isk formula 7: i already left the match due to one of the above reasons and it put me back in ^this Except that i like train map and hate tenpenny tower map. ill play the train map when i plan on pullling out a tank or when i had my calmando (lol king of the hill), but my squad tends to have a standing policy to elave it unless we say ahead of time that well roll tanks in it. I play almost only dom, i tend to stay down near the letter with a jumpy PLC min ass. Pimp my Barge
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5555	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:12:00 - [12] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: 5-10 minute cooldown before joining another battle if you leave early (not disconnected) Not good enough. Ghosts Chance wrote: wich one of these reasons for leaving do you feel deserve a 500k isk penalty 1: player from my squad got dropped 2: i got dropped 3: train map 4: lag / up against foreign teams that belong on the EU/Asia server causing extreme lag. 5: not enough players and the ones that arnt in my squad seem to consist of a guy in a viper putting uplinks on towers and 2 redline snipers. i just refuse to carry that. 6: games already half over and i wont make enough isk to cover losses due to the isk formula 7: i already left the match due to one of the above reasons and it put me back in Any and all. You don't screw over an entire team because someone couldn't get their act together. Train map is annoying, but its a problem that shouldn't exist too much longer. Usually banned for being too awesome.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3044	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:20:00 - [13] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: As I wrote in another thread, Ratt should create a Contract Violation Ratio. This ratio would be directly connected to battle payout. If you constantly leave battles, your payouts get smaller and smaller. What these players loose, the rest will gain, in relation to their personal Contract Violation Ratio. This metric could be finetuned to get the desired effect. do like. Also, show the ratio among personal stats Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Grimmiers 840	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:23:00 - [14] - Quote As for a squad member not making it to a battle they should just remove the squad bug where you can't join a match in progress. So if you're in a squad that's loaded in and you're in the merc quarters, joining a battle will bring you to where you're squad is fighting. That would be one of the few legit reasons for a squad to back out so fixing that would make it easier to punish players.
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3223	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:24:00 - [15] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: 5-10 minute cooldown before joining another battle if you leave early (not disconnected) Not good enough. Ghosts Chance wrote: wich one of these reasons for leaving do you feel deserve a 500k isk penalty 1: player from my squad got dropped 2: i got dropped 3: train map 4: lag / up against foreign teams that belong on the EU/Asia server causing extreme lag. 5: not enough players and the ones that arnt in my squad seem to consist of a guy in a viper putting uplinks on towers and 2 redline snipers. i just refuse to carry that. 6: games already half over and i wont make enough isk to cover losses due to the isk formula 7: i already left the match due to one of the above reasons and it put me back in Any and all. You don't screw over an entire team because someone couldn't get their act together. Train map is annoying, but its a problem that shouldn't exist too much longer. then i afk, STILL screw the team over (potentially even more so due to a whole squad doing it) and and dont incur a penalty this is a case of the cure being worse than the problem itself. Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 703	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:29:00 - [16] - Quote Proposed it somewhere else, if somebody stays in the redline for more than 2/3ds of a game, he shall not receive any payout or SP... redline afk needs to be fought.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5557	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:44:00 - [17] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: 5-10 minute cooldown before joining another battle if you leave early (not disconnected) Not good enough. Ghosts Chance wrote: wich one of these reasons for leaving do you feel deserve a 500k isk penalty 1: player from my squad got dropped 2: i got dropped 3: train map 4: lag / up against foreign teams that belong on the EU/Asia server causing extreme lag. 5: not enough players and the ones that arnt in my squad seem to consist of a guy in a viper putting uplinks on towers and 2 redline snipers. i just refuse to carry that. 6: games already half over and i wont make enough isk to cover losses due to the isk formula 7: i already left the match due to one of the above reasons and it put me back in Any and all. You don't screw over an entire team because someone couldn't get their act together. Train map is annoying, but its a problem that shouldn't exist too much longer. then i afk, STILL screw the team over (potentially even more so due to a whole squad doing it) and and dont incur a penalty this is a case of the cure being worse than the problem itself. Don't make me come up with ways to punish you harder. You won't like them. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3223	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:47:00 - [18] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: 5-10 minute cooldown before joining another battle if you leave early (not disconnected) Not good enough. Ghosts Chance wrote: wich one of these reasons for leaving do you feel deserve a 500k isk penalty 1: player from my squad got dropped 2: i got dropped 3: train map 4: lag / up against foreign teams that belong on the EU/Asia server causing extreme lag. 5: not enough players and the ones that arnt in my squad seem to consist of a guy in a viper putting uplinks on towers and 2 redline snipers. i just refuse to carry that. 6: games already half over and i wont make enough isk to cover losses due to the isk formula 7: i already left the match due to one of the above reasons and it put me back in Any and all. You don't screw over an entire team because someone couldn't get their act together. Train map is annoying, but its a problem that shouldn't exist too much longer. then i afk, STILL screw the team over (potentially even more so due to a whole squad doing it) and and dont incur a penalty this is a case of the cure being worse than the problem itself. Don't make me come up with ways to punish you harder. You won't like them. wasted effort, ill still find ways to circumvent the bullshit, its what i do. Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5557	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:54:00 - [19] - Quote We can fine you for staying in the red line too, you know. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3223	Posted - 2015.04.02 12:58:00 - [20] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We can fine you for staying in the red line too, you know. then ill sit on top of a tower somewhere.... or out in the mountains.... bring it, there isnt a penalty i cant circumvent Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost

Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 708	Posted - 2015.04.02 13:01:00 - [21] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We can fine you for staying in the red line too, you know. then ill sit on top of a tower somewhere.... or out in the mountains.... bring it, there isnt a penalty i cant circumvent Well if you play a game, where you don't geat any rewards, because of your scrubby behaviour, than you have my pitty...
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6108	Posted - 2015.04.02 13:03:00 - [22] - Quote Is this a sad attempt at a troll post? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Apocalyptic Destroyer L.O.T.I.S. 397	Posted - 2015.04.02 13:04:00 - [23] - Quote Or ... You can just ban them from joining any game if they leave x amount of times.. True Amarr In Disguise Pain is weakness leaving the body Proto : ADS Pilot Ak.0 : Mando, Scout, Assault
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3223	Posted - 2015.04.02 13:28:00 - [24] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We can fine you for staying in the red line too, you know. then ill sit on top of a tower somewhere.... or out in the mountains.... bring it, there isnt a penalty i cant circumvent Well if you play a game, where you don't geat any rewards, because of your scrubby behaviour, than you have my pitty... once it gets to the point where i cant circumvent punishments for leaving a game to pick up dropped squad mates, then your also punishing a whole load of people who diddnt do anything wrong :P then you get another mass exodus from dust :P Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5557	Posted - 2015.04.02 13:37:00 - [25] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We can fine you for staying in the red line too, you know. then ill sit on top of a tower somewhere.... or out in the mountains.... bring it, there isnt a penalty i cant circumvent At that point you're at risk, and no longer afk. Furthermore, as you have abandoned your team there is increased chance that your team will have been defeated and scattered. There will be hunters out looking for prey in every corner of the map, making you anything but safe. Afk simply isn't an option for you, I'm afraid. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 8876	Posted - 2015.04.02 13:39:00 - [26] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 500,000 ISK penalty for breach of mercenary contract, to be added to the payout pool of the players who remained. Because **** you, seriously. If the player has no isk, they get locked out of matches for an extended period of time. Wow, that's a steep ass penalty. I can't get behind that. Sorry, not sorry. We do need a penalty, but this is not it. We should get one leave-early every 24 hours without a penalty. This could be because of a matchmaking weirdness where a squadmate gets omitted from deployment, or disconnection, or whatever. After that, every time you leave-early you will have a wait time that increases exponentially; 1, 3, 5, 10, then finally maxing out at 15 minute wait time. During that wait time you cannot join any non-PC match. Alternatively, CCP could implement a bonus that increase exponentially for staying in a match. After the 1st match of the day you get a 5% ISK bump from EoM payouts. The bonus steadily increases for every match you see through to victory, or bitter end. Maybe maxing out at 10 - 12%. 4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3224	Posted - 2015.04.02 13:58:00 - [27] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We can fine you for staying in the red line too, you know. then ill sit on top of a tower somewhere.... or out in the mountains.... bring it, there isnt a penalty i cant circumvent At that point you're at risk, and no longer afk. Furthermore, as you have abandoned your team there is increased chance that your team will have been defeated and scattered. There will be hunters out looking for prey in every corner of the map, making you anything but safe. Afk simply isn't an option for you, I'm afraid. you underestimate how well i can hide, there are some PRETTY far corners of the map you can sit in undesturbed forever Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3224	Posted - 2015.04.02 14:01:00 - [28] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 500,000 ISK penalty for breach of mercenary contract, to be added to the payout pool of the players who remained. Because ** you, seriously. If the player has no isk, they get locked out of matches for an extended period of time. Wow, that's a steep ass penalty. I can't get behind that. Sorry, not sorry. We do need a penalty, but this is not it. We should get one leave-early every 24 hours without a penalty. This could be because of a matchmaking weirdness where a squadmate gets omitted from deployment, or disconnection, or whatever. After that, every time you leave-early you will have a wait time that increases exponentially; 1, 3, 5, 10, then finally maxing out at 15 minute wait time. During that wait time you cannot join any non-PC match. Alternatively, CCP could implement a bonus that increase exponentially for staying in a match. After the 1st match of the day you get a 5% ISK bump from EoM payouts. The bonus steadily increases for every match you see through to victory, or bitter end. Maybe maxing out at 10 - 12%. Ghosts Chance wrote:** Once it gets to the point where i cant circumvent punishments for leaving a game to pick up dropped squad mates, then your also punishing a whole load of people who didn't do anything wrong :P then you get another mass exodus from dust :P Ghost, if the exodus consists of people who exhibit the behavior you are describing then I don't consider that a huge loss. no it consists of the people who diddnt do anything wrong but suffered the same consequences as the people who will enevitably circumvent any pentalty to leaving game Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 8876	Posted - 2015.04.02 14:06:00 - [29] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: No it consists of the people who didn't do anything wrong but suffered the same consequences as the people who will inevitably circumvent any penalty to leaving game In the system I propose you would be given a pass on 1 leave-early per day. This could even be awarded per 6 hours; it can be tweaked as needed. These leave-early passes are put in place for circumstances like your squadmate being left out of a deployment... Which, by the way, has occurred maybe once in 20 matches in my squads. It's pretty ironic that you defend people who have "done nothing wrong" then state flatly that you will circumvent attempts to prevent AFK'ing, hide from the fighting, and leave matches early. For those keeping score, that is the opposite of "doing nothing wrong". 4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 1019	Posted - 2015.04.02 14:08:00 - [30] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: wich one of these reasons for leaving do you feel deserve a 500k isk penalty 1: player from my squad got dropped 2: i got dropped 3: train map 4: lag / up against foreign teams that belong on the EU/Asia server causing extreme lag. 5: not enough players and the ones that arnt in my squad seem to consist of a guy in a viper putting uplinks on towers and 2 redline snipers. i just refuse to carry that. 6: games already half over and i wont make enough isk to cover losses due to the isk formula 7: i already left the match due to one of the above reasons and it put me back in This. I find it a bit harsh... there are many reasons to leave games that are viable... if you remove them, then all players do is find a quiet spot in the redline and just do nothing or jump around... I think it's best to focus on the positive reinforcement and give players reasons to be in a game... then leaving a game becomes its own punishment.



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