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JJ'S
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.02 14:19:00 -
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DiablosMajora wrote:5-10 minute cooldown before joining another battle if you leave early (not disconnected)
You don't want to discourage players to play the game.. Might aswell have it so DUST shuts their game down and tells them to go play something else.
500k is ridiculous..
But there should be a negative side to leaving match.. and ISK makes the universe go around..
50-100k ISK lost per left battle.... Call it the cost of doing Mercenary business. And that ISK gets added to the winner of the matches payout pool. Motivating players in that match to strive for the win.
But only if the player physically selects the "Leave match" option in their UI..... Drops and connection issues should never punish. |
Union118
Heaven's Lost Property
534
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Posted - 2015.04.02 14:20:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:500,000 ISK penalty for breach of mercenary contract, to be added to the payout pool of the players who remained.
Because **** you, seriously.
If the player has no isk, they get locked out of matches for an extended period of time.
Hate the game not the players. Or maybe ill sit in the redline till im kicked out.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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thehellisgoingon
MONSTER SYNERGY
399
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Posted - 2015.04.02 14:24:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:500,000 ISK penalty for breach of mercenary contract, to be added to the payout pool of the players who remained.
Because **** you, seriously.
If the player has no isk, they get locked out of matches for an extended period of time.
This is good. But who cares about isk. Loss of sp is the real killer.
-5000 sp and a ***** you long time. |
JJ'S
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2015.04.02 14:28:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Once it gets to the point where i cant circumvent punishments for leaving a game to pick up dropped squad mates, then your also punishing a whole load of people who didn't do anything wrong :P
then you get another mass exodus from dust :P Ghost, if the exodus consists of people who exhibit the behavior you are describing then I don't consider that a huge loss.
No Mass exodus where we lost Mr.Zitro... and a bunch of others like him...
Mass exodus like Loosing Sha karn clone and players like him...
Mass exodus when we lost Lord Chaos and players like him...
Mass Exodus like when we lost Cubs and players like him...
Mass Exodus like we lost Djinn Kujo and Soul... And players like them...
These where community leaders that built entire corporations and events in DUST that escalated the game, the community and the competition in the game..
Now this game is largely a leaderless inactive pointless game completely based around public matches.
Some people enjoy CoD in space though? Everyone else said **** THAT and left. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
8878
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Posted - 2015.04.02 14:34:00 -
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JJ'S wrote:No Mass exodus where we lost Mr.Zitro... and a bunch of others like him...
Mass exodus like losing Sha karn clone and players like him...
Mass exodus when we lost Lord Chaos and players like him...
Mass Exodus like when we lost Cubs and players like him...
Mass Exodus like we lost Djinn Kujo and Soul... And players like them...
These where community leaders that built entire corporations and events in DUST that escalated the game, the community and the competition in the game..
Now this game is largely a leaderless inactive pointless game completely based around public matches.
Some people enjoy CoD in space though? Everyone else said **** THAT and left. Wasn't Cubs banned due to RMT violations? Also, how can you assume that these "community leaders" wouldn't hate the idea of players leaving the game before it's over too?
As for your statement about the game being pointless, that's an entirely other issue outside of the scope of this conversation. That ties into the lack of core features and a connection to the New Eden universe... not if some doucher leaves a match because he saw a squad of FA on the other team.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
3226
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Posted - 2015.04.02 14:35:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:No it consists of the people who didn't do anything wrong but suffered the same consequences as the people who will inevitably circumvent any penalty to leaving game In the system I propose you would be given a pass on 1 leave-early per day. This could even be awarded per 6 hours; it can be tweaked as needed. These leave-early passes are put in place for circumstances like your squadmate being left out of a deployment... Which, by the way, has occurred maybe once in 20 matches in my squads. It's pretty ironic that you defend people who have "done nothing wrong" then state flatly that you will circumvent attempts to prevent AFK'ing, hide from the fighting, and leave matches early. For those keeping score, that is the opposite of "doing nothing wrong".
if you carefully read my posts you will realise that me and "people who diddnt do anything wrong" are in two seperate catagories
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Kodho
Nos Nothi
165
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Posted - 2015.04.02 14:47:00 -
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Punishment for leaving match early would cause serious ramifications that would hurt dust immensely. In my opinion, map design is key in providing an environment for all roles. That to me is the biggest issue that need to be addressed. I like to play a certain way in a certain role. All of the maps don't allow me to do that. So, if I get a map I can't play they way I want to play, I leave. No map is perfect, I understand that. However, better map design should help reduce the number of persons voluntarily leaving a battle early. Punishment is not the answer.
Long Live the Scout!
Kodho
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Yeeeuuuupppp
993
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Posted - 2015.04.02 14:58:00 -
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How about ******* no.
Sheeba Sheeba
PSN: GMANCASH
"I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6410
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Posted - 2015.04.02 15:05:00 -
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Just put the people who leave battles a lot in queues that only put them in battles in progress. |
Mr.Pepe Le Pew
Art.of.Death
29
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Posted - 2015.04.02 15:05:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:As I wrote in another thread, Ratt should create a Contract Violation Ratio.
This ratio would be directly connected to battle payout. If you constantly leave battles, your payouts get smaller and smaller.
What these players loose, the rest will gain, in relation to their personal Contract Violation Ratio.
This metric could be finetuned to get the desired effect.
Brilliant.
CEO / Art.of.Death
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6410
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Posted - 2015.04.02 15:11:00 -
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JJ'S wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Once it gets to the point where i cant circumvent punishments for leaving a game to pick up dropped squad mates, then your also punishing a whole load of people who didn't do anything wrong :P
then you get another mass exodus from dust :P Ghost, if the exodus consists of people who exhibit the behavior you are describing then I don't consider that a huge loss. No Mass exodus where we lost Mr.Zitro... and a bunch of others like him... Mass exodus like Loosing Sha karn clone and players like him... Mass exodus when we lost Lord Chaos and players like him... Mass Exodus like when we lost Cubs and players like him... Mass Exodus like we lost Djinn Kujo and Soul... And players like them... These where community leaders that built entire corporations and events in DUST that escalated the game, the community and the competition in the game.. Now this game is largely a leaderless inactive pointless game completely based around public matches. Some people enjoy CoD in space though? Everyone else said **** THAT and left.
It blows my mind that so many people take the time to min/max fittings, post tirelessly on forums, and spend countless hours playing a game but ignore the biggest part of Dust.
I think the game has just evolved away from team play and the fact that PC is the only place to showcase team play and going untouched on for so long. |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
566
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Posted - 2015.04.02 15:12:00 -
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Way too harsh dude.
Saying what's on people's minds
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2900
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Posted - 2015.04.02 15:19:00 -
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Another option is if you leave battle x times per 24 hours (downtime to downtime) then your passive ISK shuts off for 24 hours. Or you could have it where 1st offense is free, 2nd is 15% reduction to passive SP, 3rd is 30%, 4th is 60%, 5th is 100%.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Roger That 10-4
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.04.02 15:59:00 -
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Stupid idea and you should feel stupid for suggesting it. |
Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
10032
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Posted - 2015.04.02 16:05:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:500,000 ISK penalty for breach of mercenary contract, to be added to the payout pool of the players who remained.
Because **** you, seriously.
If the player has no isk, they get locked out of matches for an extended period of time.
Yeah I'm not paying 500,000 ISK because Scotty ****** up and kicked me or one of my squadmates.
I could leave him if this was ambush that's over in no time but I'm not leaving a buddy for half an hour because CCP ****** up.
People do play pubs for fun you know? As in, playing with my buddies. Isn't that the purpose of games? Idk, what do I know, I'm just a gamer.
Find a way to fix away around this or fix scotty in general, as is, this option is asinine by itself without a scotty fix.
As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
984
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:17:00 -
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With the current state of the game (and with all previous states of the game) I would say 100% NO, NON, NIET, get to ****!
Why do I leave games? I'll leave out reasons like, because my pizza has been delivered (but yeah, it happens)
Unplayable because of lag, Scotty decides to just remove me halfway through the game, internal error, DC, psn network kicking me for no apparent, Dust deciding that I'm not dead and not alive so I can't respawn :( until I'm eventually kicked for afk.
If CCP drop penalties, then everytime that **** occurs I'm going to be dropping tickets on them like strongboxes. They're going to have to raise the number of active tickets you can have open.
Want to know how to stop people leaving a match, simple, just have a leaderboard stat for % of games quit. |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
984
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:26:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:JJ'S wrote:No Mass exodus where we lost Mr.Zitro... and a bunch of others like him...
Mass exodus like losing Sha karn clone and players like him...
Mass exodus when we lost Lord Chaos and players like him...
Mass Exodus like when we lost Cubs and players like him...
Mass Exodus like we lost Djinn Kujo and Soul... And players like them...
These where community leaders that built entire corporations and events in DUST that escalated the game, the community and the competition in the game..
Now this game is largely a leaderless inactive pointless game completely based around public matches.
Some people enjoy CoD in space though? Everyone else said **** THAT and left. Wasn't Cubs banned due to RMT violations? Also, how can you assume that these "community leaders" wouldn't hate the idea of players leaving the game before it's over too? As for your statement about the game being pointless, that's an entirely other issue outside of the scope of this conversation. That ties into the lack of core features and a connection to the New Eden universe... not if some doucher leaves a match because he saw a squad of FA on the other team.
Fairly sure CUBs had left the game long before he was violated.
I like JJ, he's spot on (his mains probably an ******** though) |
LOOKMOM NOHANDS
433
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:29:00 -
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Enable friendly fire in the redline after 1 minute in the redline.
Count all battles as an automatic loss if you leave or are disconnected.
Problem solved. |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
985
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:33:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:DiablosMajora wrote:5-10 minute cooldown before joining another battle if you leave early (not disconnected) Not good enough. Ghosts Chance wrote:wich one of these reasons for leaving do you feel deserve a 500k isk penalty
1: player from my squad got dropped
2: i got dropped
3: train map
4: lag / up against foreign teams that belong on the EU/Asia server causing extreme lag.
5: not enough players and the ones that arnt in my squad seem to consist of a guy in a viper putting uplinks on towers and 2 redline snipers. i just refuse to carry that.
6: games already half over and i wont make enough isk to cover losses due to the isk formula
7: i already left the match due to one of the above reasons and it put me back in Any and all. You don't screw over an entire team because someone couldn't get their act together. Train map is annoying, but its a problem that shouldn't exist too much longer.
To be honest, we're already being punished enough having to put up with a tumour like you. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization
230
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:34:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Enable friendly fire in the redline after 1 minute in the redline.
Count all battles as an automatic loss if you leave or are disconnected.
Problem solved.
1. How does enabling FF solve the problem? Seriously I know there are petty people who would do what you are suggesting but this doesn't solve anything really
2. I, for one, couldn't care less about an automatic loss
It doesn't feel like a penalty
heck I won't even realize if that was a thing unless I checked
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
434
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:38:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Enable friendly fire in the redline after 1 minute in the redline.
Count all battles as an automatic loss if you leave or are disconnected.
Problem solved. 1. How does enabling FF solve the problem? Seriously I know there are petty people who would do what you are suggesting but this doesn't solve anything really 2. I, for one, couldn't care less about an automatic loss It doesn't feel like a penalty heck I won't even realize if that was a thing unless I checked
1 solves the problem of half your team AFKing making it a battle very well worth leaving.
2 no you do not care about an automatic loss but alot of these so called elite squads are the ones leaving battle to protect their win/loss ratio. This is important because those are the players that have been matched against high level players on the other side so when they leave it turns the match into an instant redline thanks to no one to counter the high Mu players on the other side. |
MythTanker
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
281
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Posted - 2015.04.02 20:44:00 -
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How about we slaughter thei first born child with a rubber hose?
Drink Quafe F@gg0t -CPM Awox
FA's offical FG bitch
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Ablerober
Mass Defect Binding Energy
274
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Posted - 2015.04.02 21:13:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:500,000 ISK penalty for breach of mercenary contract, to be added to the payout pool of the players who remained.
Because **** you, seriously.
If the player has no isk, they get locked out of matches for an extended period of time.
I just left a match early because the opposing team had at least 5 members from Carne Con Papas in it. It was already lost.
If you play on a regular basis you'll know how much fun this is, but actually it isn't is it?
Getting locked out of matches, yeah, just what this game needs.
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Necron Animus
Mantodea MC
11
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Posted - 2015.04.02 21:51:00 -
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if ccp were to implement an isk penalty for leaving the match early whats to stop them, you, or me from simply moving the isk that would otherwise have been accrued from a completed match and transferring it to an alt like a bank, you can't take the isk from that character for what the other does. as far as a time limit penalty of having to wait longer for a match if it's dropped out early or you were kicked, why would that bother someone looking for a match? they will have already demonstrated that they are willing to give up the time they already spent looking for the first match, loading it and joining it but to untimely back out of it the first time around, if they really want to find and easy, stompy, or depending on theirs or your justification, a playable match. they, you, or I would be more than willing to wait the extra time for a new match, it wouldn't work well as a punishment because it doesn't actually affect them, and it doesn't help the larger player pool any because those players will still be around queuing up for matches. |
Vicious Minotaur
2261
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Posted - 2015.04.02 22:00:00 -
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I quit when I am not having fun.
Yeah. Punish me for seeking out the damn purpose of playing games. That'll totally increase the fun factor.
I am a minotaur.
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Grimmiers
842
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Posted - 2015.04.02 22:00:00 -
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The real questions is why do players log in to a fps game to avoid fighting |
emm kay
Direct Action Resources
296
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Posted - 2015.04.02 22:05:00 -
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I like, but the penalty should NOT be enforceced if:
a) any MCC's armor is below 1/2
b) clone reservers are below 20
c) your mu ranking would have increased.
note: A & B come with the assumption that you've been in battle no more than 3 minutes.
There is a reason you never see me in battle.
it's because I see you first.
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Lavallois Nash
Federal Transfers and Trades
553
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Posted - 2015.04.02 22:44:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:
wasted effort, ill still find ways to circumvent the bullshit, its what i do.
Yeah, they should take the teeth out of the punishment so that you wont get punished for your childish quitting reasons. "Oh, poor me, the train map" ...."oh, poor me, im so ******* good that i brag about it on the forums but must leave a match if i see someone putting uplinks where i wont go" Poor me, poor me".
if youre just going to AFK, you should uninstall and go elsewhere! |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5560
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Posted - 2015.04.03 02:28:00 -
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Roger That 10-4 wrote:Stupid idea and you should feel stupid for suggesting it.
Match quitter detected.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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lDocHollidayl
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
583
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Posted - 2015.04.03 04:38:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:wich one of these reasons for leaving do you feel deserve a 500k isk penalty
1: player from my squad got dropped
2: i got dropped
3: train map
4: lag / up against foreign teams that belong on the EU/Asia server causing extreme lag.
5: not enough players and the ones that arnt in my squad seem to consist of a guy in a viper putting uplinks on towers and 2 redline snipers. i just refuse to carry that.
6: games already half over and i wont make enough isk to cover losses due to the isk formula
7: i already left the match due to one of the above reasons and it put me back in
All of these . The game will normalize and players that leave for all the other, as well as some of these, lame reasons will be encouraged through negative feedback. Many games have this function to weed out mis matching players. They are selfish and deserve to be publicly known as such. DC are not that common. |
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