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The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4250	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:29:00 - [1] - Quote I dont complain that im not fighting bad players but now i have to deal with something else and then is im getting bored. Bored of playing matches like 13vs6 or 16vs2 cause the squads on the opposition left the match in the beginning. Heck i just barely get 150WP when stuff like this happends due to the fact there is nobody to kill and only so many objectives to hack. So whats your fix for this cause im loosing patience. I want to play this game to shot people and not wait 20 mins watching my nullcannon shot the MCC. FW is aswell still broken and allmost nobody plays it. So vets suffer from waiting longer for matches and then the matches basically turn out to be a AFK fest. This is no where acceptable for competetive players espacially when theres aswell a imbalance in numbers. We need something like a pub match ban. maybe when you leave 3 times in a row you are banned for 30 minutes from any public match. Im tired to see twatts just quitt when seeing competition. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 6002	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:40:00 - [2] - Quote As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4249	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:43:00 - [3] - Quote That happens because you and your friends protostomped too much before. I call it karmic justice. Get bored. Pimp my Barge
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 2348	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:50:00 - [4] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. F that match makeing is crap they shouldn't need our feedback to design a game. when a company makes a car do i have to drive it then give them feedback to tell them they forgot to put oil in it. most companys design and test then release the game without the consumers feed back to tell you its broken. when you sell a glass of lemonade and i drink it and its just water with no lemons do you want my feedback on how to make lemonade? CBM. KEQ diplomat. lolceasefire
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1064	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:53:00 - [5] - Quote So it has come to this.... When the matchmaking tries to fix players of the same tier and cant find none to fill the team again. Worst case scenario is when you cant find any game when you search because there is no high tier players to match you with. This was a colossal failure in resistance fall of man and it killed the game. I pity at anyone who thinks this is a good thing. AE
ritslight umarn Negative-Feedback. 230	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:56:00 - [6] - Quote When it gets to the point were you run your lav into an friendly tank *#1 scrub in dust 514*
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4250	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:57:00 - [7] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: So it has come to this.... When the matchmaking tries to fix players of the same tier and cant find none to fill the team again. Worst case scenario is when you cant find any game when you search because there is no high tier players to match you with. This was a colossal failure in resistance fall of man and it killed the game. I pity at anyone who thinks this is a good thing. It does find players sooner or later but the thing is the players just quit in the beginning and that screws every 1 over. There must be a penalty for quitting multiple times in a row. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11345	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:00:00 - [8] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: So it has come to this.... When the matchmaking tries to fix players of the same tier and cant find none to fill the team again. Worst case scenario is when you cant find any game when you search because there is no high tier players to match you with. This was a colossal failure in resistance fall of man and it killed the game. I pity at anyone who thinks this is a good thing. It does find players sooner or later but the thing is the players just quit in the beginning and that screws every 1 over. There must be a penalty for quitting multiple times in a row. That seems to be the main problem now. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 683	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:02:00 - [9] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: I dont complain that im not fighting bad players but now i have to deal with something else and then is im getting bored. Bored of playing matches like 13vs6 or 16vs2 cause the squads on the opposition left the match in the beginning. Heck i just barely get 150WP when stuff like this happends due to the fact there is nobody to kill and only so many objectives to hack. So whats your fix for this cause im loosing patience. I want to play this game to shot people and not wait 20 mins watching my nullcannon shot the MCC. FW is aswell still broken and allmost nobody plays it. So vets suffer from waiting longer for matches and then the matches basically turn out to be a AFK fest. This is no where acceptable for competetive players espacially when theres aswell a imbalance in numbers. We need something like a pub match ban. maybe when you leave 3 times in a row you are banned for 30 minutes from any public match. Im tired to see twatts just quitt when seeing competition. My first game yeah we dealt with a few people leaving (good match tho), second game me and a mish mosh crew were able to beat a squad of Outer Haven members, very good game and close. Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 747	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:05:00 - [10] - Quote A lot of times matches start evenly matched ON PAPER. Then people dont wanna fight the tags/names on the other team and either give up on the match from the start or leave. There have been a bunch of times when ive seen both teams playerlist and said "okay cool, their team is nice but we got some guys with us as well". Sometimes we get close matches and its cool. Most of the time though people either leave at the start or after they pick up a few deaths instead of just rockin with what they got. No Skill Required

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6142	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:07:00 - [11] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. If he wanted to be constructive he would have posted on Bright Cloud. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Medical Crash RED 0MEN. Ashtar Federation 385	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:11:00 - [12] - Quote Man, this MM is frustrating to say the least. I tried rolling solo in AMB, but it keeps pairing me against Kazukas Snipers squad (Carne Con Papas). I have no problem fighting them but my 12 teammates apparently do, cause they keep quitting on me. So it ends up 4vs 16. All I do is hide for the rest of the match, not fun. I'll upload a video on this later. My YouTube Channel
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 748	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:18:00 - [13] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: I have no problem fighting them but my 12 teammates apparently do, cause they keep quitting on me. I feel the same way and Id like to highlight this for CCP and the community to observe. Matchmaking dont mean **** if the people properly matched up dont want that problem. No Skill Required
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 174	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:27:00 - [14] - Quote "fixed" matchmaking is not solution for lack of players and big amount of grievers.Really,there are A S S H O L E S who keep making alts and stomp newbies in Academy by their "allmighty" skills.With that kind of "community",this game will not have new players,but only "old" players who will quit this game eventually.And when that happens,this game is dead. Public skirmish = camping games
Union118 Heaven's Lost Property 522	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:30:00 - [15] - Quote shaman oga wrote: That happens because you and your friends protostomped too much before. I call it karmic justice. Get bored. Good. Im glad it happens to them. They deserve it. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1917	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:37:00 - [16] - Quote Maybe they should have eliminated ready made squads from pubs and brought back the min and 45 seconds to 2 mins ... to allow RANDOM players to make squads like I mentioned so many times in the past . WARBARGE !!!! It keeps RANDOM players involved , help people learn about squad play , help players the wouldn't normally play together to form a cohesive group with the intention of winning and not pub stomp . Newer players feel comfortable and not threatened by ready made stomp squads and they learn from those already experienced , what a squad is ... how to play in one and what the outcome is when you work as a team . It's the fixed nature of pub matches that's killing pubs . FW and PC matches is when you can have the ready made squad play . Leave the new incorporate for DOM and BUSH matches ... leave PUBS RANDOM but I guess that's too hard to do . This is just silly to keep going threw this . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1918	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:42:00 - [17] - Quote Union118 wrote: shaman oga wrote: That happens because you and your friends protostomped too much before. I call it karmic justice. Get bored. Good. Im glad it happens to them. They deserve it. Agreed . I am one who would shout this to all high places but it solves nothing to keep beating one's head against a wall . CCP is just too stubborn to just make this right . Keep pubs random , bring back the warbarge and bring the new mechanic to DOM and Bush matches and leave FW with that PC feeling . People stomp pubs because they don't want even competitive games , it's not to practice ... if one is in a corp and a well known one especially and you don't know how to approach a match then that's your problem , hell these same stomp squads call out objectives and plans while they fight anyway , which give them a far advantage against random players to begin with and they know that , so how is that practice ( like they try to claim ) against lesser opposition ? That's just an excuse to keep squad stomping . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8993	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:44:00 - [18] - Quote Hey, remember when I told you proto stompers that your actions have consequences and that you will only have yourselves to blame when CCP does something about it? Welcome to the retribution. Enjoy your stay. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3044	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:51:00 - [19] - Quote shaman oga wrote: That happens because you and your friends protostomped too much before. I call it karmic justice. Get bored. Ah, come on, almost anyone has at least one proto now. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 684	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:57:00 - [20] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Hey, remember when I told you proto stompers that your actions have consequences and that you will only have yourselves to blame when CCP does something about it? Welcome to the retribution. Enjoy your stay. zinga +1 Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson

Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3215	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:57:00 - [21] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: shaman oga wrote: That happens because you and your friends protostomped too much before. I call it karmic justice. Get bored. Ah, come on, almost anyone has at least one proto now. ... and? KDR matchmaking fixes everything but the stupid purple Quafe stuff.
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 150	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:02:00 - [22] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. your job is to whine "UP" not down---- "UP" If you are not fit for CPM then resign. Ban the laggers under the EULA-they are recognized and avoided this is why people quit! FUCKSAKES you people are just stupid!
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1902	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:09:00 - [23] - Quote shaman oga wrote: That happens because you and your friends protostomped too much before. I call it karmic justice. Get bored. Not that the OP was the worlds most well said post, That is an outright bad one. Has nothing to do with real issues with matchmaking. Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 1989	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:12:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. Rattati's thread? Where? You could've linked it no? Jesus. Put a ******* announcement up.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4264	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:19:00 - [25] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: shaman oga wrote: That happens because you and your friends protostomped too much before. I call it karmic justice. Get bored. Not that the OP was the worlds most well said post, That is an outright bad one. Has nothing to do with real issues with matchmaking. The main point of the OP was not matchmaking, but people leaving match. Pimp my Barge
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9000	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:21:00 - [26] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. Rattati's thread? Where? You could've linked it no? Jesus. Put a ******* announcement up. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=198028 Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:22:00 - [27] - Quote Matches do look even on paper yes but they're not because of the general mentality of "hide or quit". So it was Prima VS Mithil Forge/Academy Inferno today, what happens? They pull out 3 tanks, a dropship and ALL OF THEM camp on the roof.... 2nd game, can't remember who was in it, looked even, again, 2 dropships, 1 tanks and everyone else camping on the roof. If they don't hide, they quit the game. I love how because of my high KD I'm coming up against "good players" but they only maintain that stat due to camping on roofs every game. 3rd game 16v3 ambush......had to let the timer run down and then I got an internal error at the end. I don't see how anyone is going to make ISK this way, meaning people will switch to lower-tiered gear, meaning they will come up against newer players, meaning this "fix" is a very temporary "fix" indeed.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 189	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:24:00 - [28] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: shaman oga wrote: That happens because you and your friends protostomped too much before. I call it karmic justice. Get bored. Ah, come on, almost anyone has at least one proto now. But most don't squad up and go all proto to farm kills off of noobs. Poor guys just want to have fun but the so called "skilled" just mess them up so badly they quit the game after 5 matches. Now these same skilled players have no one to farm. Divine retribution I tell ya Scr nerf approaches.We shall see who truly knows how to wield God's wrath and heathens who wish to mimic the Amarr......
Nirwanda Vaughns 1605	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:36:00 - [29] - Quote I'm guessing it'll take a few days fr the new mechanics to blance things. if it was over the weekend when more players online i'd expect matches to be fuller. not really played much this week though thanks to being ill Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4255	Posted - 2015.04.01 20:52:00 - [30] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I'm guessing it'll take a few days fr the new mechanics to blance things. if it was over the weekend when more players online i'd expect matches to be fuller. not really played much this week though thanks to being ill I dont care about balance. I just dont want that people simply quit a match to avoid players that are on their same lvl. Though thats futile cause when they que again for a match the possibility is high that it puts them vs similar players. Ya know on COD they had a word for that and that word is "lobbyshopping" which works like follows: -que for match -get into match -look up who you are fighting -if they are fighting scrubs then they stay -if they are fighting good players they leave until the above is achieved I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17928	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:00:00 - [31] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Hey, remember when I told you proto stompers that your actions have consequences and that you will only have yourselves to blame when CCP does something about it? Welcome to the retribution. Enjoy your stay. But that comes at a steep price. Players are now effectively being punished by the game for being more competitive or just plain better than their contemporaries forcing them into game modes like PC [which is fine] and FW [which is still rife with un-squadded new players who cripple teams with incompetence. I don't say that lightly. The biggest fault with FW lies in the fact that you simply cannot effect a meaningful change to the over arching conflict simply because you cannot trust the idiots on your teams to do their jobs with any degree of competence. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 978	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:41:00 - [32] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: So it has come to this.... When the matchmaking tries to fix players of the same tier and cant find none to fill the team again. Worst case scenario is when you cant find any game when you search because there is no high tier players to match you with. This was a colossal failure in resistance fall of man and it killed the game. I pity at anyone who thinks this is a good thing. It does find players sooner or later but the thing is the players just quit in the beginning and that screws every 1 over. There must be a penalty for quitting multiple times in a row. Maybe run solo instead of being extacy's perma scanner? Or maybe just play PC if you want 'competition' Which you obv don't. You just want to farm noobs using scrubby 'tactics'
Indianna Pwns Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:49:00 - [33] - Quote I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4925	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:50:00 - [34] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: A lot of times matches start evenly matched ON PAPER. Then people dont wanna fight the tags/names on the other team and either give up on the match from the start or leave. There have been a bunch of times when ive seen both teams playerlist and said "okay cool, their team is nice but we got some guys with us as well". Sometimes we get close matches and its cool. Most of the time though people either leave at the start or after they pick up a few deaths instead of just rockin with what they got. So much this. The matches where people actually stuck around have been good and close. People leaving when they don't think they can win is a problem. I would remove the scoreboard from the warbarge and make it where you can only see your team's scores. The traditional board should be saved for EOM. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4259	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:57:00 - [35] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: So it has come to this.... When the matchmaking tries to fix players of the same tier and cant find none to fill the team again. Worst case scenario is when you cant find any game when you search because there is no high tier players to match you with. This was a colossal failure in resistance fall of man and it killed the game. I pity at anyone who thinks this is a good thing. It does find players sooner or later but the thing is the players just quit in the beginning and that screws every 1 over. There must be a penalty for quitting multiple times in a row. Maybe run solo instead of being extacy's perma scanner? Or maybe just play PC if you want 'competition' Which you obv don't. You just want to farm noobs using scrubby 'tactics' Running solo? Why should i do that? I like to be in a squad with similar minded people. I might be mean but im surely not unsocial. And my post was not to farm n00bs. It should punish the "good squads" that leave on purpose. I usually stay in a match regardless whos on the opposition. I just adjust my playstyle. I let the enemys come to me and not the other way around. Cause in the end im the guy on top of a watertank and a laser rifle together with 5 squadmates in ambush. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 979	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:00:00 - [36] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Cause in the end im the guy on top of a watertank and a laser rifle together with 5 squadmates in ambush. QFT Don't forget the uplinks and Mass Driver
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4927	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:00:00 - [37] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Running solo? Why should i do that? I like to be in a squad with similar minded people. I might be mean but im surely not unsocial. And my post was not to farm n00bs. It should punish the "good squads" that leave on purpose. I usually stay in a match regardless whos on the opposition. I just adjust my playstyle. I let the enemys come to me and not the other way around. Cause in the end im the guy on top of a watertank and a laser rifle together with 5 squadmates in ambush. Can verify the mean part. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 973	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:02:00 - [38] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Running solo? Why should i do that? Why should people play against you? I don't leave matches against Negative-Feedback (or anyone else,) but damn you guys play a boring game... What makes you so special that other people shouldn't be just as free to do as they please?
Satori Particle Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:07:00 - [39] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. What an idiotic reply, almost as bad as the one I'm submitting. Treating the dwindling player base like disposable pawns doesn't sound very smart to me. Constructive feedback is useful if you do something constructive with it, not otherwise. This game is failing and taking it lightly only makes it worse.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4927	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:08:00 - [40] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: Running solo? Why should i do that? Why should people play against you? I don't leave matches against Negative-Feedback (or anyone else,) but damn you guys play a boring game... What makes you so special that other people shouldn't be just as free to do as they please? Eh, back in the IMP days we would intentionally sync AGAINST each other. You only get better against tough opponents. Again the issue isn't going against tough players. The issues is the equally matched players (outnumbering the other side on several occasions) leave the match and screw over people on both sides. Eventually these folks will realize they are just going to have to wait forever because, no, they can't farm randoms anymore. I do think that repeatedly leaving matches though should incur a penalty. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9011	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:11:00 - [41] - Quote Satori Particle wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. What an idiotic reply, almost as bad as the one I'm submitting. Treating the dwindling player base like disposable pawns doesn't sound very smart to me. Constructive feedback is useful if you do something constructive with it, not otherwise. This game is failing and taking it lightly only makes it worse. Rattati actually listens to constructive feedback. Its one of the things he does best. If you think bltching and moaning about it will get something done, you are deluded. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17934	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:14:00 - [42] - Quote Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4261	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:17:00 - [43] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. And you are as constructive like a sledgehammer. Ive pointed out a issue, made up a solution for it and all you do is beeing useless. Excuse me but how did you again got elected as CPM? You Bribed 90% of the guys that voted for ya or what? Get out of my thread, when youre done beeing high from your "CPM entitlement" you can return. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Satori Particle Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:18:00 - [44] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Satori Particle wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. What an idiotic reply, almost as bad as the one I'm submitting. Treating the dwindling player base like disposable pawns doesn't sound very smart to me. Constructive feedback is useful if you do something constructive with it, not otherwise. This game is failing and taking it lightly only makes it worse. Rattati actually listens to constructive feedback. Its one of the things he does best. If you think bltching and moaning about it will get something done, you are deluded. I don't think simply bitching and moaning will get something done, nor did I think OP was simply bitching and moaning. I'm pointing out that OP is a customer or maybe a potential customer and treating your customers like disposable pawns isn't very smart even if they ***** and whine. Anyone who has worked in customer service knows this to be fundamental.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 973	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:20:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. Perhaps if everyone had the same isk struggle, the game would be more balanced. Instead of one half farming isk, while the other spams it. Hard to do that with or without pissing off most of the playerbase though.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9013	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:20:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. That might be good in theory, but in reality there reality ISK is imaginary. The pleasure these people get from feeling like they are superior by stomping new players that just want to have fun is not imaginary. Regardless of how narrow you try and focus something, the world is broader and has more incentives and motivations than what you describe. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 6009	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:24:00 - [47] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. And you are as constructive like a sledgehammer. Ive pointed out a issue, made up a solution for it and all you do is beeing useless. Excuse me but how did you again got elected as CPM? You Bribed 90% of the guys that voted for ya or what? Get out of my thread, when youre done beeing high from your "CPM entitlement" you can return. Obviously, discussions of how to fix it are already occurring amongst the CPM, and will occur with CCP as they analyze the data from today's test, and decide how to proceed next. I imagine I got to be a CPM because I'm able to weed out poor feedback from good feedback, and pass along useful information to CCP, as is my job. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Crimson Moon V 439	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:25:00 - [48] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. If you have to play like a pus$y to make isk then you shouldn't be saving up for PC in the first place. You should be playing a game that takes less skill. Not that dust takes much skill. This playerbase is just full of over analytical nerds from eve who are bad at fps. This is the worst fps playerbase to ever play an fps. Mainly due to the eve community and the F2P aspect of the game that draws in noobs and pre teens. That's right. preteen tryhards from CoD might actually be better then the garbage players that eve brings to the table 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. If you were actually good at the game you could run whatever you want without having to even worry about isk consumption. Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9013	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:27:00 - [49] - Quote Satori Particle wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Satori Particle wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. What an idiotic reply, almost as bad as the one I'm submitting. Treating the dwindling player base like disposable pawns doesn't sound very smart to me. Constructive feedback is useful if you do something constructive with it, not otherwise. This game is failing and taking it lightly only makes it worse. Rattati actually listens to constructive feedback. Its one of the things he does best. If you think bltching and moaning about it will get something done, you are deluded. I don't think simply bitching and moaning will get something done, nor did I think OP was simply bitching and moaning. I'm pointing out that OP is a customer or maybe a potential customer and treating your customers like disposable pawns isn't very smart even if they ***** and whine. Anyone who has worked in customer service knows this to be fundamental. I work in customer service, and have for many years. What I also know, as in this case and mine, is that sometimes consumers interests come into conflict with one another, and you are put in the middle and must do the best you can to please as many people as possible. I would argue that giving time to those that make an honest effort towards helping, encouraging those who aren't to do so, and ignoring consumers that may be a greater negative than a positive is the best way forwards. Sometimes as a business, you MUST fire a customer. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:29:00 - [50] - Quote This guy is a logi who has 0.5KD, makes 0-1 kills a game but gets 3-4K WP per game (if it's not empty), I wonder which opponents I'll be up against.

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 973	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:30:00 - [51] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. Right... Because when the isk hits 0, which it will if everyone uses only proto in pub matches... What should we run then?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17935	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:37:00 - [52] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: True Adamance wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. That might be good in theory, but in reality there reality ISK is imaginary. The pleasure these people get from feeling like they are superior by stomping new players that just want to have fun is not imaginary. Regardless of how narrow you try and focus something, the world is broader and has more incentives and motivations than what you describe. As I have said before I do not believe one can hold themselves responsible for the enjoyment of their opponents in a competitive PvP game. This is because no matter what I do to pursue my own enjoyment it will likely directly conflict with your own. That's not to say I wouldn't want to foster a pleasant line of communication or community outside of the game....but in game I'm not responsible for making anyone enjoy the game more or less than they should. I understand the wider implications yes however to what level do you hold me or any other player responsible for your enjoyment of the game? GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Crimson Moon V 439	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:47:00 - [53] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. Right... Because when the isk hits 0, which it will if everyone uses only proto in pub matches... What should we run then? No if everyone used proto the scrubs would run out of money and the good players would dominate and stock pile isk like they always have. Most people scream "you are ruining the game. Others scream in an incredibly nerdy voice. "BUT BUT ISK CONSUMPTION. What it really comes down to is they are to bad to run proto all the time so they don't and make up excuses. Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17936	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:47:00 - [54] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: True Adamance wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. If you have to play like a pus$y to make isk then you shouldn't be saving up for PC in the first place. You should be playing a game that takes less skill. Not that dust takes much skill. This playerbase is just full of over analytical nerds from eve who are bad at fps. This is the worst fps playerbase to ever play an fps. Mainly due to the eve community and the F2P aspect of the game that draws in noobs and pre teens. That's right. preteen tryhards from CoD might actually be better then the garbage players that eve brings to the table 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. If you were actually good at the game you could run whatever you want without having to even worry about isk consumption. No one has to "play like a pus$y" to accrue ISK however it is simply a means of doing so that is efficient and reaps the rewards of ISK and Kills. The difference is between players, some like to play aggressively and get to grips with their opponent, other prefer to approach the game more passively. In Pub's I'll either derp around or try to win the ISK war. At this point with Tanks the way they are kills don't mean that much to me but winning the ISK war against a team does. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Satori Particle Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:53:00 - [55] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Satori Particle wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Satori Particle wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. What an idiotic reply, almost as bad as the one I'm submitting. Treating the dwindling player base like disposable pawns doesn't sound very smart to me. Constructive feedback is useful if you do something constructive with it, not otherwise. This game is failing and taking it lightly only makes it worse. Rattati actually listens to constructive feedback. Its one of the things he does best. If you think bltching and moaning about it will get something done, you are deluded. I don't think simply bitching and moaning will get something done, nor did I think OP was simply bitching and moaning. I'm pointing out that OP is a customer or maybe a potential customer and treating your customers like disposable pawns isn't very smart even if they ***** and whine. Anyone who has worked in customer service knows this to be fundamental. I work in customer service, and have for many years. What I also know, as in this case and mine, is that sometimes consumers interests come into conflict with one another, and you are put in the middle and must do the best you can to please as many people as possible. I would argue that giving time to those that make an honest effort towards helping, encouraging those who aren't to do so, and ignoring consumers that may be a greater negative than a positive is the best way forwards. Sometimes as a business, you MUST fire a customer. OP / Customer makes a post in an open forum and is chastised by a representative of the business. I critized this move and you defend it by saying ignoring customers is optimal under curtain circumstances which would have been fine but he wasn't ignored, he was chastised. Not by just the public which is fine but by a representative of the business. Anyway I'm over it enjoy the circle jerking.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9013	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:53:00 - [56] - Quote True Adamance wrote: As I have said before I do not believe one can hold themselves responsible for the enjoyment of their opponents in a competitive PvP game. This is because no matter what I do to pursue my own enjoyment it will likely directly conflict with your own. That's not to say I wouldn't want to foster a pleasant line of communication or community outside of the game....but in game I'm not responsible for making anyone enjoy the game more or less than they should. I understand the wider implications yes however to what level do you hold me or any other player responsible for your enjoyment of the game? Its one thing to be indifferent to whether or not what you do affects others in game, or how it affects others. It is a completely different set of circumstances when the goal of someone IS to ruin the enjoyment of the game for others. That is what we are talking about with some of these players. And if your enjoyment of the game requires that there be other players to play against, and your behaviors reduce the chances of their being someone else to play against, than it seems logical that you SHOULD care about how what you do affects others. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Crimson Moon V 439	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:57:00 - [57] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: True Adamance wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. If you have to play like a pus$y to make isk then you shouldn't be saving up for PC in the first place. You should be playing a game that takes less skill. Not that dust takes much skill. This playerbase is just full of over analytical nerds from eve who are bad at fps. This is the worst fps playerbase to ever play an fps. Mainly due to the eve community and the F2P aspect of the game that draws in noobs and pre teens. That's right. preteen tryhards from CoD might actually be better then the garbage players that eve brings to the table 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. If you were actually good at the game you could run whatever you want without having to even worry about isk consumption. No one has to "play like a pus$y" to accrue ISK however it is simply a means of doing so that is efficient and reaps the rewards of ISK and Kills. The difference is between players, some like to play aggressively and get to grips with their opponent, other prefer to approach the game more passively. In Pub's I'll either derp around or try to win the ISK war. At this point with Tanks the way they are kills don't mean that much to me but winning the ISK war against a team does. LOL at your isk war. It's monopoly money on a dying F2P FPS. Where is a locker or trashcan when you need one. GET THAT NERD! Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 974	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:58:00 - [58] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. Right... Because when the isk hits 0, which it will if everyone uses only proto in pub matches... What should we run then? No if everyone used proto the scrubs would run out of money and the good players would dominate and stock pile isk like they always have. Good players will be on both sides... It stands to reason that both sides will die... 2 deaths and you need what 400 - 500k isk reward to pay for it? You see a guy die in proto a few times in a match, but they don't care, because the next matches will be 0 deaths against people who aren't able to kill them... That's where most of the 'non pc farmed' isk comes from. Tell me how often you've had a good pub match (an even one with proto on both sides) and you've pulled a profit? Or did you get your money in the easy matches between...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17937	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:01:00 - [59] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: True Adamance wrote: As I have said before I do not believe one can hold themselves responsible for the enjoyment of their opponents in a competitive PvP game. This is because no matter what I do to pursue my own enjoyment it will likely directly conflict with your own. That's not to say I wouldn't want to foster a pleasant line of communication or community outside of the game....but in game I'm not responsible for making anyone enjoy the game more or less than they should. I understand the wider implications yes however to what level do you hold me or any other player responsible for your enjoyment of the game? Its one thing to be indifferent to whether or not what you do affects others in game, or how it affects others. It is a completely different set of circumstances when the goal of someone IS to ruin the enjoyment of the game for others. That is what we are talking about with some of these players. And if your enjoyment of the game requires that there be other players to play against, and your behaviors reduce the chances of their being someone else to play against, than it seems logical that you SHOULD care about how what you do affects others. I'm not a huge fan of purposefully going out to ruin someone's day unless they are a tanker like me. Currently the only form of enjoyment I get out of Dust is competitive matches in FW which are few and far between due to less organised Min and Amarr groups queuing these days. Public matches to me for very long time have only been a game mode to supplement and ensure I can competitively in FW. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9014	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:01:00 - [60] - Quote Satori Particle wrote: OP / Customer makes a post in an open forum and is chastised by a representative of the business. I critized this move and you defend it by saying ignoring customers is optimal under curtain circumstances which would have been fine but he wasn't ignored, he was chastised. Not by just the public which is fine but by a representative of the business. Anyway I'm over it enjoy the circle jerking. I gave you circumstances in which you MUST ignore or fire a customer. If people are watching a play, and someone is talking on a cell phone, it is the responsibility of the theatre to remove said customer so that a greater number of customers can enjoy the show. In Dust, if a player wants something that creates imbalance, and as a result significantly reduces the enjoyment and playability of the game for a great many others, it is CCPs responsibility to ignore that suggestion. What about that is so hard to understand? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

castba Rogue Instincts Ashtar Federation 837	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:03:00 - [61] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: shaman oga wrote: That happens because you and your friends protostomped too much before. I call it karmic justice. Get bored. Ah, come on, almost anyone has at least one proto now. Yes, but it is more HOW and WHEN it is used. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to..... or should. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17937	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:03:00 - [62] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: True Adamance wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: True Adamance wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. If you have to play like a pus$y to make isk then you shouldn't be saving up for PC in the first place. You should be playing a game that takes less skill. Not that dust takes much skill. This playerbase is just full of over analytical nerds from eve who are bad at fps. This is the worst fps playerbase to ever play an fps. Mainly due to the eve community and the F2P aspect of the game that draws in noobs and pre teens. That's right. preteen tryhards from CoD might actually be better then the garbage players that eve brings to the table 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. If you were actually good at the game you could run whatever you want without having to even worry about isk consumption. No one has to "play like a pus$y" to accrue ISK however it is simply a means of doing so that is efficient and reaps the rewards of ISK and Kills. The difference is between players, some like to play aggressively and get to grips with their opponent, other prefer to approach the game more passively. In Pub's I'll either derp around or try to win the ISK war. At this point with Tanks the way they are kills don't mean that much to me but winning the ISK war against a team does. LOL at your isk war. It's monopoly money on a dying F2P FPS. Where is a locker or trashcan when you need one. GET THAT NERD! Yeah....I think you mistake the above statements for my actually being invested in Dust. At one point I did love the game.....which is not quite true any more. No sure what your deal is but you seem to be way more invested in this whole mess than I am. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Crimson Moon V 439	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:07:00 - [63] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. Right... Because when the isk hits 0, which it will if everyone uses only proto in pub matches... What should we run then? No if everyone used proto the scrubs would run out of money and the good players would dominate and stock pile isk like they always have. Good players will be on both sides... It stands to reason that both sides will die... 2 deaths and you need what 400 - 500k isk reward to pay for it? You see a guy die in proto a few times in a match, but they don't care, because the next matches will be 0 deaths against people who aren't able to kill them... That's where most of the 'non pc farmed' isk comes from. Tell me how often you've had a good pub match (an even one with proto on both sides) and you've pulled a profit? Or did you get your money in the easy matches between... Honestly If I was playing against full 16 of proto I would always go positive in isk. I will tell you a story. Back in chromeosone a bunch the imperfects and other good players from the community did a proto Q^ event. We would thought that it would be an isk sink and some exciting matches. What happened surprised even us. We all made isk every game. The payouts were 600k to 1.8 mil based on performance. So you are wrong. If you were good enough to kill other proto squads in your proto gear you would actually make more money. Scrubs are going to scrub though so I don't expect much from this community. Anymore excuses from this scrubby community? Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5549	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:15:00 - [64] - Quote Every day with this community, something new has killed the game. FFS, yea its bad but its a new system they are constantly dicking around with. Roll with the punches. If its messed up two days from now, thats different. Usually banned for being too awesome.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17937	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:17:00 - [65] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: @true-Honestly not much invested into this game anymore. I care very little. I just like trolling and being a royal douche. It's what I do. Which is ironic given you posts since you were in the Imperfects Ahhrendee or however you spell it and if I recall Chromosome you guys were some of the prolific Proto/High Tier users [not a bad thing] while everyone was trying to play catch up to your guys. Which is more of less where most of you all got your reputation as nasty slayers. Not really possible to foster the perception of a skilled community when myself and every other Chromo/Replication vet looks back on the old days with fond nostalgia. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 975	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:18:00 - [66] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: I will tell you a story. Back in chromeosone a bunch of the imperfects and other good players from the community did a proto Q^ event. We would thought that it would be an isk sink and some exciting matches. What happened surprised even us. We all made isk every game. The payouts were 600k to 1.8 mil based on performance. So you are wrong. If you were good enough to kill other proto squads in your proto gear you would actually make more money. Scrubs are going to scrub though so I don't expect much from this community. Back in Chromosome, during an event... Well congrats. During the payout fookup of 2014 I ran proto and went positive as well... Because the payouts were higher. The payouts are now lower.
Satori Particle Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:26:00 - [67] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Satori Particle wrote: OP / Customer makes a post in an open forum and is chastised by a representative of the business. I critized this move and you defend it by saying ignoring customers is optimal under curtain circumstances which would have been fine but he wasn't ignored, he was chastised. Not by just the public which is fine but by a representative of the business. Anyway I'm over it enjoy the circle jerking. I gave you circumstances in which you MUST ignore or fire a customer. If people are watching a play, and someone is talking on a cell phone, it is the responsibility of the theatre to remove said customer so that a greater number of customers can enjoy the show. In Dust, if a player wants something that creates imbalance, and as a result significantly reduces the enjoyment and playability of the game for a great many others, it is CCPs responsibility to ignore that suggestion. What about that is so hard to understand? This is an open forum so your theater analogy is a fail. Op speaks his opinion on an open forum and is chastised by a representative of the business. Not smart. Simple.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9019	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:51:00 - [68] - Quote Satori Particle wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Satori Particle wrote: OP / Customer makes a post in an open forum and is chastised by a representative of the business. I critized this move and you defend it by saying ignoring customers is optimal under curtain circumstances which would have been fine but he wasn't ignored, he was chastised. Not by just the public which is fine but by a representative of the business. Anyway I'm over it enjoy the circle jerking. I gave you circumstances in which you MUST ignore or fire a customer. If people are watching a play, and someone is talking on a cell phone, it is the responsibility of the theatre to remove said customer so that a greater number of customers can enjoy the show. In Dust, if a player wants something that creates imbalance, and as a result significantly reduces the enjoyment and playability of the game for a great many others, it is CCPs responsibility to ignore that suggestion. What about that is so hard to understand? This is an open forum so your theater analogy is a fail. Op speaks his opinion on an open forum and is chastised by a representative of the business. Not smart. Simple. It is smart. The CPM asked him to be constructive. He was not being constructive. Constructive feedback is good for business. People who can't be constructive aren't good for business, and you are better off without them. If you can't handle the complexities of business, and how some stakeholders interests conflict, that isn't the problem of anyone else but you. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Satori Particle Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:12:00 - [69] - Quote Dust 514 is better off without people who can't be constructive in forum posts. I don't agree with that statement and will agree to disagree with you. I think Dust is better off without chastising it's dwindling player base wether they are being constructive or not.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 979	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:26:00 - [70] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: Running solo? Why should i do that? Why should people play against you? I don't leave matches against Negative-Feedback (or anyone else,) but damn you guys play a boring game... What makes you so special that other people shouldn't be just as free to do as they please? Eh, back in the IMP days we would intentionally sync AGAINST each other. You only get better against tough opponents. Again the issue isn't going against tough players. The issues is the equally matched players (outnumbering the other side on several occasions) leave the match and screw over people on both sides. Eventually these folks will realize they are just going to have to wait forever because, no, they can't farm randoms anymore. I do think that repeatedly leaving matches though should incur a penalty. We don't really care what you think.

DiablosMajora 80	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:34:00 - [71] - Quote @Happy Violentime: QQ more @Kain Spero: simple, 5-10 minute penalty of not being able to queue for another match if you (purposefully) leave early. I foresee potential problems if not coded correctly and you get disconnected. you could also get rid of the leaderboard until the end of the match. Prepare your angus
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 979	Posted - 2015.04.02 00:37:00 - [72] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: shaman oga wrote: That happens because you and your friends protostomped too much before. I call it karmic justice. Get bored. Ah, come on, almost anyone has at least one proto now. Maybe they didn't get a 1 Bill salvage reimbursement 2 weeks before the start of open beta? Maybe they didn't play farmville with molden heath? They may have proto doesn't mean they can afford to run it every game.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6406	Posted - 2015.04.02 01:28:00 - [73] - Quote It's stupid to just say, proto in pubs is bad. I was in a match today solo where I had 16 kills and the next best was 5. We were completely wrecked. Is running proto in that scenario is still considered bad? Most of the bad scenarios are more to do with no coordination or team work at all. The 4 or 5 solo dudes throwing down links get smashed, links get camped, pushing stops. The good players will wreck people that are solo all day long in whatever gear. Certainly win matches. I have a tendency to step up my gear in a close match, but I think that should be expected. We should be talking about buffing payouts for winning. More components for winning, etc. This more than tiered matches or anything else will improve matches immensely. The entire problem comes from too many people wanting this to be a solo game. The beauty of this game is in it's team play. CCP should develop around that.
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4270	Posted - 2015.04.02 01:36:00 - [74] - Quote lol sorry that im not playing in the "n00b bracket" i just state how things are in the playground for the big boys. I dont hold back on issues on the game that are blatantly obvious from the get go. The Devs need a antagonistic resource to keep them in check and because nobody else is doing it i just do it. This stuff here will even get worse when we add Meta lockout with multiple meta brackets which will splitt the community even more. Hows this gonna turn out? skill brackets "n00b" and "vets" with another 3 brackets that are labeled with "STD-ADV-PRO"? And then we still have the 3 game modes on top of that. So basically The grand master plan is to splitt the community into 18 brackets. Yeah im eager too see how thats gonna work. So in the end when everything is implemented i have to wait 1 hour+ to get into a ambush match. Sorya i highly doubt that you filter usefull information from feedback. You just sit back, nitpick what you like and then throw it at the devs to gain personal advantage. You obviously dont care about vets/good players. I only take that back if i see actions within a week. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 6094	Posted - 2015.04.02 01:39:00 - [75] - Quote Please keep your feedback regarding the new matchmaking engine constructive and in this thread. Thank you guys. CCP Frame, CCP Community Team



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