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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.04.01 21:00:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Hey, remember when I told you proto stompers that your actions have consequences and that you will only have yourselves to blame when CCP does something about it?
Welcome to the retribution.
Enjoy your stay.
But that comes at a steep price. Players are now effectively being punished by the game for being more competitive or just plain better than their contemporaries forcing them into game modes like PC [which is fine] and FW [which is still rife with un-squadded new players who cripple teams with incompetence.
I don't say that lightly. The biggest fault with FW lies in the fact that you simply cannot effect a meaningful change to the over arching conflict simply because you cannot trust the idiots on your teams to do their jobs with any degree of competence.
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Posted - 2015.04.01 22:14:00 -
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Indianna Pwns wrote:I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight.
Think of the game like this though.
In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity.
Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden.
For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.04.01 22:37:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:True Adamance wrote:Indianna Pwns wrote:I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight.
Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. That might be good in theory, but in reality there reality ISK is imaginary. The pleasure these people get from feeling like they are superior by stomping new players that just want to have fun is not imaginary. Regardless of how narrow you try and focus something, the world is broader and has more incentives and motivations than what you describe.
As I have said before I do not believe one can hold themselves responsible for the enjoyment of their opponents in a competitive PvP game. This is because no matter what I do to pursue my own enjoyment it will likely directly conflict with your own. That's not to say I wouldn't want to foster a pleasant line of communication or community outside of the game....but in game I'm not responsible for making anyone enjoy the game more or less than they should.
I understand the wider implications yes however to what level do you hold me or any other player responsible for your enjoyment of the game?
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Posted - 2015.04.01 22:47:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:True Adamance wrote:Indianna Pwns wrote:I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight.
Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. If you have to play like a pus$y to make isk then you shouldn't be saving up for PC in the first place. You should be playing a game that takes less skill. Not that dust takes much skill. This playerbase is just full of over analytical nerds from eve who are bad at fps. This is the worst fps playerbase to ever play an fps. Mainly due to the eve community and the F2P aspect of the game that draws in noobs and pre teens. That's right. preteen tryhards from CoD might actually be better then the garbage players that eve brings to the table 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. If you were actually good at the game you could run whatever you want without having to even worry about isk consumption.
No one has to "play like a pus$y" to accrue ISK however it is simply a means of doing so that is efficient and reaps the rewards of ISK and Kills.
The difference is between players, some like to play aggressively and get to grips with their opponent, other prefer to approach the game more passively.
In Pub's I'll either derp around or try to win the ISK war. At this point with Tanks the way they are kills don't mean that much to me but winning the ISK war against a team does.
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Posted - 2015.04.01 23:01:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:True Adamance wrote:
As I have said before I do not believe one can hold themselves responsible for the enjoyment of their opponents in a competitive PvP game. This is because no matter what I do to pursue my own enjoyment it will likely directly conflict with your own. That's not to say I wouldn't want to foster a pleasant line of communication or community outside of the game....but in game I'm not responsible for making anyone enjoy the game more or less than they should.
I understand the wider implications yes however to what level do you hold me or any other player responsible for your enjoyment of the game?
Its one thing to be indifferent to whether or not what you do affects others in game, or how it affects others. It is a completely different set of circumstances when the goal of someone IS to ruin the enjoyment of the game for others.That is what we are talking about with some of these players. And if your enjoyment of the game requires that there be other players to play against, and your behaviors reduce the chances of their being someone else to play against, than it seems logical that you SHOULD care about how what you do affects others.
I'm not a huge fan of purposefully going out to ruin someone's day unless they are a tanker like me. Currently the only form of enjoyment I get out of Dust is competitive matches in FW which are few and far between due to less organised Min and Amarr groups queuing these days.
Public matches to me for very long time have only been a game mode to supplement and ensure I can competitively in FW.
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Posted - 2015.04.01 23:03:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:True Adamance wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:True Adamance wrote:Indianna Pwns wrote:I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight.
Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. If you have to play like a pus$y to make isk then you shouldn't be saving up for PC in the first place. You should be playing a game that takes less skill. Not that dust takes much skill. This playerbase is just full of over analytical nerds from eve who are bad at fps. This is the worst fps playerbase to ever play an fps. Mainly due to the eve community and the F2P aspect of the game that draws in noobs and pre teens. That's right. preteen tryhards from CoD might actually be better then the garbage players that eve brings to the table 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. If you were actually good at the game you could run whatever you want without having to even worry about isk consumption. No one has to "play like a pus$y" to accrue ISK however it is simply a means of doing so that is efficient and reaps the rewards of ISK and Kills. The difference is between players, some like to play aggressively and get to grips with their opponent, other prefer to approach the game more passively. In Pub's I'll either derp around or try to win the ISK war. At this point with Tanks the way they are kills don't mean that much to me but winning the ISK war against a team does. LOL at your isk war. It's monopoly money on a dying F2P FPS. Where is a locker or trashcan when you need one. GET THAT NERD!
Yeah....I think you mistake the above statements for my actually being invested in Dust. At one point I did love the game.....which is not quite true any more.
No sure what your deal is but you seem to be way more invested in this whole mess than I am.
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Posted - 2015.04.01 23:17:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:
@true-Honestly not much invested into this game anymore. I care very little. I just like trolling and being a royal douche. It's what I do.
Which is ironic given you posts since you were in the Imperfects Ahhrendee or however you spell it and if I recall Chromosome you guys were some of the prolific Proto/High Tier users [not a bad thing] while everyone was trying to play catch up to your guys.
Which is more of less where most of you all got your reputation as nasty slayers.
Not really possible to foster the perception of a skilled community when myself and every other Chromo/Replication vet looks back on the old days with fond nostalgia.
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And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥
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