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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17928	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:00:00 - [31] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Hey, remember when I told you proto stompers that your actions have consequences and that you will only have yourselves to blame when CCP does something about it? Welcome to the retribution. Enjoy your stay. But that comes at a steep price. Players are now effectively being punished by the game for being more competitive or just plain better than their contemporaries forcing them into game modes like PC [which is fine] and FW [which is still rife with un-squadded new players who cripple teams with incompetence. I don't say that lightly. The biggest fault with FW lies in the fact that you simply cannot effect a meaningful change to the over arching conflict simply because you cannot trust the idiots on your teams to do their jobs with any degree of competence. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 978	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:41:00 - [32] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: So it has come to this.... When the matchmaking tries to fix players of the same tier and cant find none to fill the team again. Worst case scenario is when you cant find any game when you search because there is no high tier players to match you with. This was a colossal failure in resistance fall of man and it killed the game. I pity at anyone who thinks this is a good thing. It does find players sooner or later but the thing is the players just quit in the beginning and that screws every 1 over. There must be a penalty for quitting multiple times in a row. Maybe run solo instead of being extacy's perma scanner? Or maybe just play PC if you want 'competition' Which you obv don't. You just want to farm noobs using scrubby 'tactics'
Indianna Pwns Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:49:00 - [33] - Quote I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4925	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:50:00 - [34] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: A lot of times matches start evenly matched ON PAPER. Then people dont wanna fight the tags/names on the other team and either give up on the match from the start or leave. There have been a bunch of times when ive seen both teams playerlist and said "okay cool, their team is nice but we got some guys with us as well". Sometimes we get close matches and its cool. Most of the time though people either leave at the start or after they pick up a few deaths instead of just rockin with what they got. So much this. The matches where people actually stuck around have been good and close. People leaving when they don't think they can win is a problem. I would remove the scoreboard from the warbarge and make it where you can only see your team's scores. The traditional board should be saved for EOM. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4259	Posted - 2015.04.01 21:57:00 - [35] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: So it has come to this.... When the matchmaking tries to fix players of the same tier and cant find none to fill the team again. Worst case scenario is when you cant find any game when you search because there is no high tier players to match you with. This was a colossal failure in resistance fall of man and it killed the game. I pity at anyone who thinks this is a good thing. It does find players sooner or later but the thing is the players just quit in the beginning and that screws every 1 over. There must be a penalty for quitting multiple times in a row. Maybe run solo instead of being extacy's perma scanner? Or maybe just play PC if you want 'competition' Which you obv don't. You just want to farm noobs using scrubby 'tactics' Running solo? Why should i do that? I like to be in a squad with similar minded people. I might be mean but im surely not unsocial. And my post was not to farm n00bs. It should punish the "good squads" that leave on purpose. I usually stay in a match regardless whos on the opposition. I just adjust my playstyle. I let the enemys come to me and not the other way around. Cause in the end im the guy on top of a watertank and a laser rifle together with 5 squadmates in ambush. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 979	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:00:00 - [36] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Cause in the end im the guy on top of a watertank and a laser rifle together with 5 squadmates in ambush. QFT Don't forget the uplinks and Mass Driver
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4927	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:00:00 - [37] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Running solo? Why should i do that? I like to be in a squad with similar minded people. I might be mean but im surely not unsocial. And my post was not to farm n00bs. It should punish the "good squads" that leave on purpose. I usually stay in a match regardless whos on the opposition. I just adjust my playstyle. I let the enemys come to me and not the other way around. Cause in the end im the guy on top of a watertank and a laser rifle together with 5 squadmates in ambush. Can verify the mean part. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 973	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:02:00 - [38] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Running solo? Why should i do that? Why should people play against you? I don't leave matches against Negative-Feedback (or anyone else,) but damn you guys play a boring game... What makes you so special that other people shouldn't be just as free to do as they please?
Satori Particle Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:07:00 - [39] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. What an idiotic reply, almost as bad as the one I'm submitting. Treating the dwindling player base like disposable pawns doesn't sound very smart to me. Constructive feedback is useful if you do something constructive with it, not otherwise. This game is failing and taking it lightly only makes it worse.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4927	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:08:00 - [40] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: Running solo? Why should i do that? Why should people play against you? I don't leave matches against Negative-Feedback (or anyone else,) but damn you guys play a boring game... What makes you so special that other people shouldn't be just as free to do as they please? Eh, back in the IMP days we would intentionally sync AGAINST each other. You only get better against tough opponents. Again the issue isn't going against tough players. The issues is the equally matched players (outnumbering the other side on several occasions) leave the match and screw over people on both sides. Eventually these folks will realize they are just going to have to wait forever because, no, they can't farm randoms anymore. I do think that repeatedly leaving matches though should incur a penalty. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9011	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:11:00 - [41] - Quote Satori Particle wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. What an idiotic reply, almost as bad as the one I'm submitting. Treating the dwindling player base like disposable pawns doesn't sound very smart to me. Constructive feedback is useful if you do something constructive with it, not otherwise. This game is failing and taking it lightly only makes it worse. Rattati actually listens to constructive feedback. Its one of the things he does best. If you think bltching and moaning about it will get something done, you are deluded. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17934	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:14:00 - [42] - Quote Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4261	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:17:00 - [43] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. And you are as constructive like a sledgehammer. Ive pointed out a issue, made up a solution for it and all you do is beeing useless. Excuse me but how did you again got elected as CPM? You Bribed 90% of the guys that voted for ya or what? Get out of my thread, when youre done beeing high from your "CPM entitlement" you can return. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Satori Particle Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:18:00 - [44] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Satori Particle wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. What an idiotic reply, almost as bad as the one I'm submitting. Treating the dwindling player base like disposable pawns doesn't sound very smart to me. Constructive feedback is useful if you do something constructive with it, not otherwise. This game is failing and taking it lightly only makes it worse. Rattati actually listens to constructive feedback. Its one of the things he does best. If you think bltching and moaning about it will get something done, you are deluded. I don't think simply bitching and moaning will get something done, nor did I think OP was simply bitching and moaning. I'm pointing out that OP is a customer or maybe a potential customer and treating your customers like disposable pawns isn't very smart even if they ***** and whine. Anyone who has worked in customer service knows this to be fundamental.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 973	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:20:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. Perhaps if everyone had the same isk struggle, the game would be more balanced. Instead of one half farming isk, while the other spams it. Hard to do that with or without pissing off most of the playerbase though.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9013	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:20:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. That might be good in theory, but in reality there reality ISK is imaginary. The pleasure these people get from feeling like they are superior by stomping new players that just want to have fun is not imaginary. Regardless of how narrow you try and focus something, the world is broader and has more incentives and motivations than what you describe. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 6009	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:24:00 - [47] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. And you are as constructive like a sledgehammer. Ive pointed out a issue, made up a solution for it and all you do is beeing useless. Excuse me but how did you again got elected as CPM? You Bribed 90% of the guys that voted for ya or what? Get out of my thread, when youre done beeing high from your "CPM entitlement" you can return. Obviously, discussions of how to fix it are already occurring amongst the CPM, and will occur with CCP as they analyze the data from today's test, and decide how to proceed next. I imagine I got to be a CPM because I'm able to weed out poor feedback from good feedback, and pass along useful information to CCP, as is my job. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Crimson Moon V 439	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:25:00 - [48] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. If you have to play like a pus$y to make isk then you shouldn't be saving up for PC in the first place. You should be playing a game that takes less skill. Not that dust takes much skill. This playerbase is just full of over analytical nerds from eve who are bad at fps. This is the worst fps playerbase to ever play an fps. Mainly due to the eve community and the F2P aspect of the game that draws in noobs and pre teens. That's right. preteen tryhards from CoD might actually be better then the garbage players that eve brings to the table 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. If you were actually good at the game you could run whatever you want without having to even worry about isk consumption. Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9013	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:27:00 - [49] - Quote Satori Particle wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Satori Particle wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. What an idiotic reply, almost as bad as the one I'm submitting. Treating the dwindling player base like disposable pawns doesn't sound very smart to me. Constructive feedback is useful if you do something constructive with it, not otherwise. This game is failing and taking it lightly only makes it worse. Rattati actually listens to constructive feedback. Its one of the things he does best. If you think bltching and moaning about it will get something done, you are deluded. I don't think simply bitching and moaning will get something done, nor did I think OP was simply bitching and moaning. I'm pointing out that OP is a customer or maybe a potential customer and treating your customers like disposable pawns isn't very smart even if they ***** and whine. Anyone who has worked in customer service knows this to be fundamental. I work in customer service, and have for many years. What I also know, as in this case and mine, is that sometimes consumers interests come into conflict with one another, and you are put in the middle and must do the best you can to please as many people as possible. I would argue that giving time to those that make an honest effort towards helping, encouraging those who aren't to do so, and ignoring consumers that may be a greater negative than a positive is the best way forwards. Sometimes as a business, you MUST fire a customer. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:29:00 - [50] - Quote This guy is a logi who has 0.5KD, makes 0-1 kills a game but gets 3-4K WP per game (if it's not empty), I wonder which opponents I'll be up against.

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 973	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:30:00 - [51] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. Right... Because when the isk hits 0, which it will if everyone uses only proto in pub matches... What should we run then?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17935	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:37:00 - [52] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: True Adamance wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. That might be good in theory, but in reality there reality ISK is imaginary. The pleasure these people get from feeling like they are superior by stomping new players that just want to have fun is not imaginary. Regardless of how narrow you try and focus something, the world is broader and has more incentives and motivations than what you describe. As I have said before I do not believe one can hold themselves responsible for the enjoyment of their opponents in a competitive PvP game. This is because no matter what I do to pursue my own enjoyment it will likely directly conflict with your own. That's not to say I wouldn't want to foster a pleasant line of communication or community outside of the game....but in game I'm not responsible for making anyone enjoy the game more or less than they should. I understand the wider implications yes however to what level do you hold me or any other player responsible for your enjoyment of the game? GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Crimson Moon V 439	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:47:00 - [53] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. Right... Because when the isk hits 0, which it will if everyone uses only proto in pub matches... What should we run then? No if everyone used proto the scrubs would run out of money and the good players would dominate and stock pile isk like they always have. Most people scream "you are ruining the game. Others scream in an incredibly nerdy voice. "BUT BUT ISK CONSUMPTION. What it really comes down to is they are to bad to run proto all the time so they don't and make up excuses. Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17936	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:47:00 - [54] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: True Adamance wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. If you have to play like a pus$y to make isk then you shouldn't be saving up for PC in the first place. You should be playing a game that takes less skill. Not that dust takes much skill. This playerbase is just full of over analytical nerds from eve who are bad at fps. This is the worst fps playerbase to ever play an fps. Mainly due to the eve community and the F2P aspect of the game that draws in noobs and pre teens. That's right. preteen tryhards from CoD might actually be better then the garbage players that eve brings to the table 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. If you were actually good at the game you could run whatever you want without having to even worry about isk consumption. No one has to "play like a pus$y" to accrue ISK however it is simply a means of doing so that is efficient and reaps the rewards of ISK and Kills. The difference is between players, some like to play aggressively and get to grips with their opponent, other prefer to approach the game more passively. In Pub's I'll either derp around or try to win the ISK war. At this point with Tanks the way they are kills don't mean that much to me but winning the ISK war against a team does. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Satori Particle Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:53:00 - [55] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Satori Particle wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Satori Particle wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As was announced, they are testing this. Constructive feedback is useful, and you can place it in Rattati's thread. Whining about it and talking about your patience is not useful and you should stop bothering to do it. What an idiotic reply, almost as bad as the one I'm submitting. Treating the dwindling player base like disposable pawns doesn't sound very smart to me. Constructive feedback is useful if you do something constructive with it, not otherwise. This game is failing and taking it lightly only makes it worse. Rattati actually listens to constructive feedback. Its one of the things he does best. If you think bltching and moaning about it will get something done, you are deluded. I don't think simply bitching and moaning will get something done, nor did I think OP was simply bitching and moaning. I'm pointing out that OP is a customer or maybe a potential customer and treating your customers like disposable pawns isn't very smart even if they ***** and whine. Anyone who has worked in customer service knows this to be fundamental. I work in customer service, and have for many years. What I also know, as in this case and mine, is that sometimes consumers interests come into conflict with one another, and you are put in the middle and must do the best you can to please as many people as possible. I would argue that giving time to those that make an honest effort towards helping, encouraging those who aren't to do so, and ignoring consumers that may be a greater negative than a positive is the best way forwards. Sometimes as a business, you MUST fire a customer. OP / Customer makes a post in an open forum and is chastised by a representative of the business. I critized this move and you defend it by saying ignoring customers is optimal under curtain circumstances which would have been fine but he wasn't ignored, he was chastised. Not by just the public which is fine but by a representative of the business. Anyway I'm over it enjoy the circle jerking.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9013	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:53:00 - [56] - Quote True Adamance wrote: As I have said before I do not believe one can hold themselves responsible for the enjoyment of their opponents in a competitive PvP game. This is because no matter what I do to pursue my own enjoyment it will likely directly conflict with your own. That's not to say I wouldn't want to foster a pleasant line of communication or community outside of the game....but in game I'm not responsible for making anyone enjoy the game more or less than they should. I understand the wider implications yes however to what level do you hold me or any other player responsible for your enjoyment of the game? Its one thing to be indifferent to whether or not what you do affects others in game, or how it affects others. It is a completely different set of circumstances when the goal of someone IS to ruin the enjoyment of the game for others. That is what we are talking about with some of these players. And if your enjoyment of the game requires that there be other players to play against, and your behaviors reduce the chances of their being someone else to play against, than it seems logical that you SHOULD care about how what you do affects others. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Crimson Moon V 439	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:57:00 - [57] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: True Adamance wrote: Indianna Pwns wrote: I'd say the problem isn't with matchmaking but a cowardly player base that has become fat and lazy feasting on juicy blueberrys. Now that people have to work for their kills they come and ***** about it on the forums instead of sticking it out and put up a good fight. Think of the game like this though. In Dust you need to fund your actions. You are a business as well as a commodity. In order to appreciate you need to be in a successful corporation, to do that you need to do well, to do well you need better gear, and to get better gear you need SP and ISK, and to get those you need to ensure you are a profitable business/commodity. Morals be damned a player needs to ensure they are profitable above all other things and this means you cannot be wasteful with you lives in game and not always able to be aggressive resulting in the perception that you are "cowardly" a word that really has no meaning in New Eden. For example this is especially important for a group that aspires to Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare, the former requiring a large initial investment from the players and corporation while the latter requires a sustained flow of ISK to support your long term efforts. If you have to play like a pus$y to make isk then you shouldn't be saving up for PC in the first place. You should be playing a game that takes less skill. Not that dust takes much skill. This playerbase is just full of over analytical nerds from eve who are bad at fps. This is the worst fps playerbase to ever play an fps. Mainly due to the eve community and the F2P aspect of the game that draws in noobs and pre teens. That's right. preteen tryhards from CoD might actually be better then the garbage players that eve brings to the table 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. If you were actually good at the game you could run whatever you want without having to even worry about isk consumption. No one has to "play like a pus$y" to accrue ISK however it is simply a means of doing so that is efficient and reaps the rewards of ISK and Kills. The difference is between players, some like to play aggressively and get to grips with their opponent, other prefer to approach the game more passively. In Pub's I'll either derp around or try to win the ISK war. At this point with Tanks the way they are kills don't mean that much to me but winning the ISK war against a team does. LOL at your isk war. It's monopoly money on a dying F2P FPS. Where is a locker or trashcan when you need one. GET THAT NERD! Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 974	Posted - 2015.04.01 22:58:00 - [58] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: 'Oh noes I must run basic to protect my isk consumption.'STFU nerds. Right... Because when the isk hits 0, which it will if everyone uses only proto in pub matches... What should we run then? No if everyone used proto the scrubs would run out of money and the good players would dominate and stock pile isk like they always have. Good players will be on both sides... It stands to reason that both sides will die... 2 deaths and you need what 400 - 500k isk reward to pay for it? You see a guy die in proto a few times in a match, but they don't care, because the next matches will be 0 deaths against people who aren't able to kill them... That's where most of the 'non pc farmed' isk comes from. Tell me how often you've had a good pub match (an even one with proto on both sides) and you've pulled a profit? Or did you get your money in the easy matches between...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17937	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:01:00 - [59] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: True Adamance wrote: As I have said before I do not believe one can hold themselves responsible for the enjoyment of their opponents in a competitive PvP game. This is because no matter what I do to pursue my own enjoyment it will likely directly conflict with your own. That's not to say I wouldn't want to foster a pleasant line of communication or community outside of the game....but in game I'm not responsible for making anyone enjoy the game more or less than they should. I understand the wider implications yes however to what level do you hold me or any other player responsible for your enjoyment of the game? Its one thing to be indifferent to whether or not what you do affects others in game, or how it affects others. It is a completely different set of circumstances when the goal of someone IS to ruin the enjoyment of the game for others. That is what we are talking about with some of these players. And if your enjoyment of the game requires that there be other players to play against, and your behaviors reduce the chances of their being someone else to play against, than it seems logical that you SHOULD care about how what you do affects others. I'm not a huge fan of purposefully going out to ruin someone's day unless they are a tanker like me. Currently the only form of enjoyment I get out of Dust is competitive matches in FW which are few and far between due to less organised Min and Amarr groups queuing these days. Public matches to me for very long time have only been a game mode to supplement and ensure I can competitively in FW. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9014	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:01:00 - [60] - Quote Satori Particle wrote: OP / Customer makes a post in an open forum and is chastised by a representative of the business. I critized this move and you defend it by saying ignoring customers is optimal under curtain circumstances which would have been fine but he wasn't ignored, he was chastised. Not by just the public which is fine but by a representative of the business. Anyway I'm over it enjoy the circle jerking. I gave you circumstances in which you MUST ignore or fire a customer. If people are watching a play, and someone is talking on a cell phone, it is the responsibility of the theatre to remove said customer so that a greater number of customers can enjoy the show. In Dust, if a player wants something that creates imbalance, and as a result significantly reduces the enjoyment and playability of the game for a great many others, it is CCPs responsibility to ignore that suggestion. What about that is so hard to understand? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.



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