Ok...burst missile turret suggestion is looking at being a little more reasonable than what it was before...still a powerhouse...but less insta-ganky...I'll play around with the numbers more on my end...but comparatively it looks like a more realistic option now...still dangerously close to the LOLALPHA system of the past though...will post a gain with some new numbers when I think of them

I kind of would like to see the missile turret with all 14 tubes having something in them though XD

I really wish you were CPM pokey. Then maybe we could get this stuff to happen much quicker, if it happens at all.

CPM2 elections probably coming up in the next handful of months.

You don't use vehicles, why do you care?

Why do I care? Well I actually enjoy missiles, both in Dust and EVE, and because I enjoy being more productive by helping to lead community discussions, unlike yourself who essentially tries to make as toxic of an environment as possible. Now please scurry back under your little troll bridge, the rest of us are having a constructive conversation.

You play Dust? That's news to me.

Besides, spreadsheet =/= gameplay.

You don't use vehicles, why do you care?

Then, by your logic, nobody uses vehicles. If Pokey has stated MULTIPLE times that he drives tanks, then that PROBABLY means he's used them in some form. But, if that means he hasn't used vehicles in your opinion, how exactly do you use vehicles? I'm curious on how I can actually start using vehicles instead of just having them.

Enlighten us.

Well, I guess we asked for it. The trolls have arrived Pokey.

Make them like the missile installation....

LOL no we had that and they were worse than useless.

Well, I guess we asked for it. The trolls have arrived Pokey.

That's exactly it, I play the game. I essentially play every single day. I know what vehicles are like, and I know what AV is like. You have no experience with vehicles, and probably little to none with AV.

I've broken down why your ideas are bad. I was a spreadsheet warrior for two spreadsheets, and that's all I need to make. Hulls and turrets. I've said many times before that AV should be a deterrent. Useless =/= deterrent. I hear all the time "oh, you want to make AV useless, what do you expect us to do?" For one thing, people could get a pilot in their squad. They want to squad with one? That's their problem. The game shouldn't be balanced around the very, very, very slim chance that one team will have a full squad's worth of pilots and the other will have a single person with AV. In my experience, which is far more extensive than yours, that has never happened since Uprising deployed, not a single time. On every single team I've ever faced in pubs and FW, at least two people have had PRO AV.

And I've said this plenty before: national corps that don't speak English as their first language do anything and everything to annihilate every single vehicle on the map, as well as prevent any others from being called in. This could include all of the following: tanks, AV, proxy mine traps. I've been taken out countless times by a squad of Russians, Spanish, Italians, GAC themselves, Germans, Brazilians, etc. Yet it's the native English speakers that are on here that forever have problems taking out tanks. It's not fair that they have to reload to destroy a tank. It's not fair that they can't solo a tank, and that they would be better off using teamwork. It's not fair that my > 60mil SP into vehicles can make short work of people that stand still with a total amount of 2mil SP into whichever AV weapon they prefer. They may have been using AV for a month or two, I've been using tanks for a year and half. Who do you think will win? The YOLO Mexican Jumping Bean with a plasma cannon, or the veteran vehicle pilot? I'm sure you'd like to say the YOLO AV person every single time.

I've sunk a hell of a lot of time and ISK into building up experience to make me as hard for AV and other vehicles to kill as possible, while also killing as many other vehicles and infantry as possible. I have the experience to hit a moving target while I'm moving, which is something I haven't seen many able to do. I have the experience to destroy someone using AV against me while I circle them with a blaster, which I haven't seen many able to do. I have the experience to snipe infantry with a railgun, which I haven't seen many able to do. I've evaded and destroyed YOLO jihad jeeps, which if you had any experience is not an easy thing to do.

Spreadsheet numbers based on imaginary controlled ideas does not translate to the game. You can work out what you wholeheartedly believe to be good numbers, but is trash on the battlefield. I still laugh at your ideas for pilot suits, having insane disadvantages for every single advantage the suit would give a given hull. With your ideas, I'm better off not getting them at all. I've also seen terrible ideas such as 3% to max ammo per level, and that's it. Class suits have 3 bonuses, and that previous idea is a single bonus. How is that fair?

Pilots have proposed ideas which would actually be useful to vehicles, such as the Gallente pilot suit adding 2% or 3% to rep rate per level, and the Caldari adding 2% or 3% to shield recharge rate per level. Another great bonus only available at level 5 would be slaved control of any unmanned small turrets on a vehicle.

The answer for balance is not to always nerf vehicles and buff AV. My answer would be HTFU and use teamwork. Do you really expect to solo someone like me, or Taka, or Doc, or Mary, or Morte, or any other highly experience pilot?

Eh don't worry about it, they have to make themselves feel better for a lack of usefulness by trying to discredit and devalue everything others say. Even Rattati has personally threatened to ban them for basically being useless when it comes to discussions so the best course of action is to just ignore them. They're not more than angry children throwing a temper tantrum and expecting the adults to take them seriously.

Just do what I do and giggle at their attempts at communication, it's actually pretty amusing after a while.

Oh I was there lol. Best post by a game dev EVER. I'll try you take on the situation and just laugh from now on.

Now I would like to actually get a Rattati post in here, quite a few different proposals people have put forth with a couple different philosophies. I'd like to get some of his thoughts on what we have so far.

Don't look at me, I've done several Rattati Rain Dances to try to get him in here. There's no way he missed the thread, so idk why he doesn't at least acknowledge it's existence.

Not harping on him or anything, I just want my missiles to be viable...

Eh don't worry about it, they have to make themselves feel better for a lack of usefulness by trying to discredit and devalue everything others say. Even Rattati has personally threatened to ban them for basically being useless when it comes to discussions so the best course of action is to just ignore them. They're not more than angry children throwing a temper tantrum and expecting the adults to take them seriously.

Just do what I do and giggle at their attempts at communication, it's actually pretty amusing after a while.

Simply explaining why bad ideas are bad.

"Why were tanks better in Chrome?"

LOL

Well I don't expect you to actually read what was asked properly, but in regards to that specific question, I was asking for your own personal reason to why you thought a certain element in Chrome was better, not asking because I didn't know.

You're always complaining about your voice not being heard, so I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and ask for an explanation of you opinion so I knew exactly why you felt that way. Again, I wasn't disagreeing with you, I just wanted to hear your side of the story and why you felt that way.

You see, I was actually trying to collect detailed feedback from you, even if you act like an *******. But honestly I don't really care what you think anymore, so please be a good little boy and get out of the way.

So the past 2 days I've been running only a missile Gunnlogi (as my tank of choice, I've done other things.) std hull, proto turret & mostly proto mods, think it's just the shield hardener that's basic (because I'm a scrub.)

I mostly only saw militia tanks, both kinds dropped in less than 1 set of missiles (to be expected.)


But I also came up against a few std and adv Madruga, mostly blaster turrets, but also some guy with shields stacked and a rail turret (random build, but I put some shields on my Madruga as well, lol.) They all died pretty easily... The only ones that didn't were where I went 1 tank v 2 tanks... And they still jumped out with av grenades/swarms... Thanks for that Heaven84 scrubs... I lost 2 tanks, they lost 5.

I'm tempted to say there isn't an issue with missiles (still sure the Gunni is fine) though I can't be sure what their fits were like, mostly had their hardeners up and were generally shooting back, when not spamming av grenades.