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Mejt0
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Posted - 2015.02.17 20:51:00 -
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It's better to have 5 afkers in team than 5 players who lose 80 blue clones.
Just send them back to academy CCP. It'll be better for them.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
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Posted - 2015.02.17 21:01:00 -
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I'd rather have five suicidal blueberries tbh, less people shooting at me.
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Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.02.17 21:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.02.17 21:46:00 -
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I particularly don't care about the wins; they prove useful decoys.
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Heaven84 Devils
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.17 21:52:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I particularly don't care about the wins; they prove useful decoys.
gotta love when a blueberry tries to engage at a 100 meters with an ar,
and all the reds at a point start looking at and heading his way.
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H0riz0n Unlimit
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.02.17 22:14:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I particularly don't care about the wins; they prove useful decoys.
How can you play if you dont care about win? Are you tryng to catch butterflies in the red line? It s ok have fun as it is a game but if you dont play for win you can play barbie or hello kitty
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.02.17 22:23:00 -
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H0riz0n Unlimit wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I particularly don't care about the wins; they prove useful decoys. How can you play if you dont care about win? Are you tryng to catch butterflies in the red line? It s ok have fun as it is a game but if you dont play for win you can play barbie or hello kitty
I liked LAV racing, that was fun. Didn't win.
I also like melee fits, don't always win but hella fun. Same with PLC.
Just because IWS said it doesn't mean you have to automatically hate...
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Reign Omega
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Posted - 2015.02.17 22:23:00 -
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I usually mail people in game and see if they want to squad up if they do very poorly. If they have a mic I try to ask them questions and point them in the right direction. Seeing someone go 0/20 is heartbreaking
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2015.02.17 22:29:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:I usually mail people in game and see if they want to squad up if they do very poorly. If they have a mic I try to ask them questions and point them in the right direction. Seeing someone go 0/20 is heartbreaking
That's the spirit!
We need more people like you instead of protostomping tryhards.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
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Posted - 2015.02.17 22:37:00 -
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H0riz0n Unlimit wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I particularly don't care about the wins; they prove useful decoys. How can you play if you dont care about win? Are you tryng to catch butterflies in the red line? It s ok have fun as it is a game but if you dont play for win you can play barbie or hello kitty
Because only PC and FW matters when it comes to wins...
Winning in Pubs is utterly pointless.
I play for Fun.
I play for WP.
I play for Kills.
I play to outsmart my prey.
What the bloody thrice-damned hell does wins get me? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
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Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.02.18 00:42:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:H0riz0n Unlimit wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I particularly don't care about the wins; they prove useful decoys. How can you play if you dont care about win? Are you tryng to catch butterflies in the red line? It s ok have fun as it is a game but if you dont play for win you can play barbie or hello kitty Because only PC and FW matters when it comes to wins... Winning in Pubs is utterly pointless. I play for Fun. I play for WP. I play for Kills. I play to outsmart my prey. What the bloody thrice-damned hell does wins get me? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Wins gives you missions done.
I login just to do few missions.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2015.02.18 01:08:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:H0riz0n Unlimit wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I particularly don't care about the wins; they prove useful decoys. How can you play if you dont care about win? Are you tryng to catch butterflies in the red line? It s ok have fun as it is a game but if you dont play for win you can play barbie or hello kitty I liked LAV racing, that was fun. Didn't win. I also like melee fits, don't always win but hella fun. Same with PLC. Just because IWS said it doesn't mean you have to automatically hate...
Doesn't matter who says it, automatically hate. I'm not saying you can't play just to have fun but if you aren't trying to win even just a little bit then you're a wasted spot on the team. You can play to win and have fun as well, the two aren't mutually exclusive; but if you just want to jerk off, there's porno for that. You don't always win but at least you tried, even if it was only slightly harder than the rest of the dipshits on your team.
Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster!
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.18 02:08:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Reign Omega wrote:I usually mail people in game and see if they want to squad up if they do very poorly. If they have a mic I try to ask them questions and point them in the right direction. Seeing someone go 0/20 is heartbreaking That's the spirit! We need more people like you instead of protostomping tryhards.
Yeah, it was a bit different in chrome, but I still really remember the feeling of not knowing what was going on, and not being able to do jsck squat. Even though there were less full proto bears, some of the best and scariest of the old corps used to run rampant through pubs. If a fellow random player hadn't taken me under his wing I may not be playing to this day.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 02:27:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:LUGMOS wrote:H0riz0n Unlimit wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I particularly don't care about the wins; they prove useful decoys. How can you play if you dont care about win? Are you tryng to catch butterflies in the red line? It s ok have fun as it is a game but if you dont play for win you can play barbie or hello kitty I liked LAV racing, that was fun. Didn't win. I also like melee fits, don't always win but hella fun. Same with PLC. Just because IWS said it doesn't mean you have to automatically hate... Doesn't matter who says it, automatically hate. I'm not saying you can't play just to have fun but if you aren't trying to win even just a little bit then you're a wasted spot on the team. You can play to win and have fun as well, the two aren't mutually exclusive; but if you just want to jerk off, there's porno for that. You don't always win but at least you tried, even if it was only slightly harder than the rest of the dipshits on your team.
Oh **** youtoo...
I bet you're that douche in gym that is always bitching at the fat kid you got on your team because he can't run as fast.
Like real life, there's a place for competition and one for fun in DUST, FW+PC and pubs respectively.
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Blackfish Corp.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 03:02:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:I usually mail people in game and see if they want to squad up if they do very poorly. If they have a mic I try to ask them questions and point them in the right direction. Seeing someone go 0/20 is heartbreaking
I'll send people some ISK the odd time I see scores like that. Sent someone 500k ISK a few days ago because I killed him 5 times in under 2 mins lol
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2015.02.18 03:11:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:
Oh **** youtoo...
I bet you're that douche in gym that is always bitching at the fat kid you got on your team because he can't run as fast.
Like real life, there's a place for competition and one for fun in DUST, FW+PC and pubs respectively.
I'm a douche by asking for the slightest bit of effort? If you say so.
Like I said before, the two aren't mutually exclusive but If you aren't going to be competitive then why play a game where every mode is a competitive mode? Why play a game built around being competitive? And don't tell me anything with "sandbox" in it; EVE: Online is a sandbox, EVE: DUST 514 is not.
And again, I'm not saying you have to go balls to the walls about it but if you want to fck around instead of trying to win you should go do it where it won't negatively impact other players. I'm not an "MLG player", by most measures I'm a casual player so I'm not trying to shove some elitist bullshit up anyone's ass. But jesus christ man, CoD players put more effort into winning than most of the people here and winning is even more meaningless there than it is here.
Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster!
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2015.02.18 03:22:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:
If you want to fck around instead of trying to win you should go do it where it won't negatively impact other players
The rest I get where you're coming from, but I don't get this one line:
Where in the world would that be, may I ask, if pubs is not the place? Getting stomped gets annoying, sometimes I just feel like f*cking around...
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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2015.02.18 03:41:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
If you want to fck around instead of trying to win you should go do it where it won't negatively impact other players
The rest I get where you're coming from, but I don't get this one line: Where in the world would that be, may I ask, if pubs is not the place? Getting stomped gets annoying, sometimes I just feel like f*cking around...
People fcking around/not trying is the reason most stomps happen.
Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster!
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2015.02.18 03:43:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
If you want to fck around instead of trying to win you should go do it where it won't negatively impact other players
The rest I get where you're coming from, but I don't get this one line: Where in the world would that be, may I ask, if pubs is not the place? Getting stomped gets annoying, sometimes I just feel like f*cking around... People fcking around/not trying is the reason most stomps happen.
Nope... It's a symptom.
It's better than getting your ass handed to you 100 times over with this garbage matchmaking.
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Mejt0
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:41:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
If you want to fck around instead of trying to win you should go do it where it won't negatively impact other players
The rest I get where you're coming from, but I don't get this one line: Where in the world would that be, may I ask, if pubs is not the place? Getting stomped gets annoying, sometimes I just feel like f*cking around... People fcking around/not trying is the reason most stomps happen. Nope... It's a symptom. It's better than getting your ass handed to you 100 times over with this garbage matchmaking.
If someone can't stand stomping, that person should leave battle.
And yes, people get stomped because :
8 people from one team are ret@rded, 7 people run std bpo instead of adv or pro, and there's that one guy who's gonna try to carry his team,
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:51:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
If you want to fck around instead of trying to win you should go do it where it won't negatively impact other players
The rest I get where you're coming from, but I don't get this one line: Where in the world would that be, may I ask, if pubs is not the place? Getting stomped gets annoying, sometimes I just feel like f*cking around... People fcking around/not trying is the reason most stomps happen. Nope... It's a symptom. It's better than getting your ass handed to you 100 times over with this garbage matchmaking.
People fcking around and not trying are most certainly not symptoms of stomping; they're symptoms of a "I got mine" attitude that this game's community & flawed design fosters. This sh!t has been happening since at least the start of open beta and that was when most people were really excited about this game. When people could go into a match and not see a single proto and in my opinion when matchmaking was at it's best (didn't really have a system in place at the time). Yet each match had people that just fcked around and were otherwise not trying on both sides but sadly one side always had more than the other which has had a snowball effect to where one team has 1-6 people not trying while the other has 10-16 people not trying.
Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster!
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.18 11:13:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
If you want to fck around instead of trying to win you should go do it where it won't negatively impact other players
The rest I get where you're coming from, but I don't get this one line: Where in the world would that be, may I ask, if pubs is not the place? Getting stomped gets annoying, sometimes I just feel like f*cking around... People fcking around/not trying is the reason most stomps happen.
So that doesn't answer his question.
If not pubs, where do I go to not care about winning?
FW, where winning and losing is relevant to some egghead in the sky?
PC, where winning and losing is directly relevant to my corp and my wallet?
Seriously, I'd love to hear your answer.
Well, here goes nothing!!!
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.02.18 11:27:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:7 people run std bpo instead of adv or pro, and there's that one guy who's gonna try to carry his team,
Except if everyone ran proto in pubs, no one would ever have enough money to run proto in pubs... If everyone went all out, and you never got to stomp several matches, your balance would be ****.
Hence why I don't get people using proto in pubs.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:40:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
People fcking around/not trying is the reason most stomps happen.
Nope... It's a symptom. It's better than getting your ass handed to you 100 times over with this garbage matchmaking. If someone can't stand stomping, that person should leave battle. And yes, people get stomped because : 8 people from one team are ret@rded, 7 people run std bpo instead of adv or pro, and there's that one guy who's gonna try to carry his team,
Why do I feel like that one guy..? Even when I'm fcking arround with my dual PLC I still try my best to carry my team and win!
I think players should know when they can run fun fits and when they have to be serious, even in pubs.
Believe it or not, what I underlined is true. So many times I lost while all my opponents were garbage because my team was not even trying/even more garbage!
Some stomps (not all of them) wouldn't be a thing if everybody in a team would stop fcking arround or play for the win..
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Mejt0
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:15:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Mejt0 wrote:7 people run std bpo instead of adv or pro, and there's that one guy who's gonna try to carry his team, Except if everyone ran proto in pubs, no one would ever have enough money to run proto in pubs... If everyone went all out, and you never got to stomp several matches, your balance would be ****. Hence why I don't get people using proto in pubs. If we got payed for what we kill on the other hand...
I said adv and proto.
Adv cost nothing and it's just as good as proto.
What i'm saying is that the gap between std - adv is much bigger than adv-pro, so 5 adv guys would help a lot.
I'm not talking about sentinel ofc. They can use militia.
In conclusion i'll once again say something about proto :
1. There's nothing else to spend isk on other than proto.
2. When someone is running solo proto gear is the best option to not die within 10seconds from enemy stompers.
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Mejt0
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:19:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Thumb Green wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
If you want to fck around instead of trying to win you should go do it where it won't negatively impact other players
The rest I get where you're coming from, but I don't get this one line: Where in the world would that be, may I ask, if pubs is not the place? Getting stomped gets annoying, sometimes I just feel like f*cking around... People fcking around/not trying is the reason most stomps happen. So that doesn't answer his question. If not pubs, where do I go to not care about winning? FW, where winning and losing is relevant to some egghead in the sky? PC, where winning and losing is directly relevant to my corp and my wallet? Seriously, I'd love to hear your answer.
You don't have to care about winning.
But does it mean : go and die 20+ times along with 5 other guys?
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Posted - 2015.02.18 16:51:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:It's better to have 5 afkers in team than 5 players who lose 80 blue clones.
Just send them back to academy CCP. It'll be better for them.
I rather have the pin cushions, at least they are trying..
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2015.02.18 17:38:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Thumb Green wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
If you want to fck around instead of trying to win you should go do it where it won't negatively impact other players
The rest I get where you're coming from, but I don't get this one line: Where in the world would that be, may I ask, if pubs is not the place? Getting stomped gets annoying, sometimes I just feel like f*cking around... People fcking around/not trying is the reason most stomps happen. So that doesn't answer his question. If not pubs, where do I go to not care about winning? FW, where winning and losing is relevant to some egghead in the sky? PC, where winning and losing is directly relevant to my corp and my wallet? Seriously, I'd love to hear your answer.
I did answer his question, with a question. Seriously, if you're not even going to put forth even just a slight bit of effort to win then why are you playing a competitive game? Don't feel like being competitive? Go play a game that isn't built around it.
Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster!
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:27:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Thumb Green wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
If you want to fck around instead of trying to win you should go do it where it won't negatively impact other players
The rest I get where you're coming from, but I don't get this one line: Where in the world would that be, may I ask, if pubs is not the place? Getting stomped gets annoying, sometimes I just feel like f*cking around... People fcking around/not trying is the reason most stomps happen. So that doesn't answer his question. If not pubs, where do I go to not care about winning? FW, where winning and losing is relevant to some egghead in the sky? PC, where winning and losing is directly relevant to my corp and my wallet? Seriously, I'd love to hear your answer. I did answer his question, with a question. Seriously, if you're not even going to put forth even just a slight bit of effort to win then why are you playing a competitive game? Don't feel like being competitive? Go play a game that isn't built around it.
Exactly. If you want to fck around, go play GTAV. Its great for that, just watch some vids on youtube. Most players don't play FacWar or PC, so pubs are the only place they can play the game as it was intended. This is why I used to rage about AFK, it completly ruins the experience for others. If you are jacking in the red line, or running LoLMeleeSentinalFit, you are ruining the fun for someone else.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 20:35:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:
Exactly. If you want to fck around, go play GTAV. Its great for that, just watch some vids on youtube. Most players don't play FacWar or PC, so pubs are the only place they can play the game as it was intended. This is why I used to rage about AFK, it completly ruins the experience for others. If you are jacking in the red line, or running LoLMeleeSentinalFit, you are ruining the fun for someone else.
I have taken that claim on faith and I have stopped AFKing but I still really doubt that is the majority opinion or that opinion is a reasonable one to hold, Clearly there are large numbers of people that treat the game like GTA V, or way to annoy people, or to practice tactics for PC, objectives be damned, I started the game because the AV pack made the game sound interesting, You blow up tanks with a big gun, that sounded like fun, If you read the description It does not discuss team play at all, You are also told the being in coroporation and playing PC is the team play component of the the game, Isn't it the other players fault if they don't play FW or PC.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 22:20:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Thumb Green wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
If you want to fck around instead of trying to win you should go do it where it won't negatively impact other players
The rest I get where you're coming from, but I don't get this one line: Where in the world would that be, may I ask, if pubs is not the place? Getting stomped gets annoying, sometimes I just feel like f*cking around... People fcking around/not trying is the reason most stomps happen. So that doesn't answer his question. If not pubs, where do I go to not care about winning? FW, where winning and losing is relevant to some egghead in the sky? PC, where winning and losing is directly relevant to my corp and my wallet? Seriously, I'd love to hear your answer. I did answer his question, with a question. Seriously, if you're not even going to put forth even just a slight bit of effort to win then why are you playing a competitive game? Don't feel like being competitive? Go play a game that isn't built around it.
Where was the question/answer thing... I don't see it.
Also, if I don't necessarily care about winning and just want to **** around (since ya know, it is a game, games are fun), where do I go?
I really like DUST and don't want to do it in another game.
I could always set up a FW q-sync and try to get 32 players on each side, but that requires a massive amount of effort and planning. I could do the same with a PC district, but that requires the same PLUS a cost of at least 40 million.
I'm not saying I **** around a lot, I try with my PLC and melee fits, but come on... Sometime I feel like dicking around and doing LAV laps...
Also, I never said I don't agree with the OP, people going 0-90 is just bad... but no player can do anything about it. Only CCP can
Moral of the story, if there's someone dicking around in pubs and you're going uber try-hard against all odds, that's at your own risk. If that floats your boat, fine, just leave others' boat alone.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 22:22:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Exactly. If you want to fck around, go play GTAV. Its great for that, just watch some vids on youtube. Most players don't play FacWar or PC, so pubs are the only place they can play the game as it was intended. This is why I used to rage about AFK, it completly ruins the experience for others. If you are jacking in the red line, or running LoLMeleeSentinalFit, you are ruining the fun for someone else.
And your lolgitgud attitude is ruining their fun... See where the irony is involved?
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Posted - 2015.02.18 22:50:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
People fcking around/not trying is the reason most stomps happen.
So that doesn't answer his question. If not pubs, where do I go to not care about winning? FW, where winning and losing is relevant to some egghead in the sky? PC, where winning and losing is directly relevant to my corp and my wallet? Seriously, I'd love to hear your answer. I did answer his question, with a question. Seriously, if you're not even going to put forth even just a slight bit of effort to win then why are you playing a competitive game? Don't feel like being competitive? Go play a game that isn't built around it. Where was the question/answer thing... I don't see it.
It was when I originally asked why play a competitive game when you don't want to be competitive. Passive way of telling you to go play a non-competitive game.
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Thumb Green wrote:It was when I originally asked why play a competitive game when you don't want to be competitive. Passive way of telling you to go play a non-competitive game.
Psssh... Sorry, didn't realize I had to play competitively.
Don't worry, I'm only doing this for the sake of argument. I like arguing the hard part, it's better than being a conformist most of the time.
I could turn around and say what you guys have been saying. But here are some points to REALLY consider:
Against derping around:
1. You can't run **** fits and be competitive
2. This game is a competitive game
3. You're ruining my fun
For derping around:
1. You can be competitive and run shitfits
2. This game is not necessarily a competitive game.
3. What's the point of the game if not to have fun
Now, some points to remember, winning isn't always fun, and being competitive isn't always either. Also, if they're dicking around in the redline, they won't go 0-20. If it really was a close game and you lost because someone was dicking around, is it really that much of a loss? You had a good game, had a good score, and probably had some fun. The only people who would not agree with this last part are those who a. care too much about K/D, or b. were like those who thought it was a good idea for the "call for help" function to be implemented in a team based game.
Also, how can you say Dust is a competitive game at this point when most games are extremely one sided
I assure you 90% of the time it isn't because of some dudes in the redline derping around.
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LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:It was when I originally asked why play a competitive game when you don't want to be competitive. Passive way of telling you to go play a non-competitive game. Psssh... Sorry, didn't realize I had to play competitively. Don't worry, I'm only doing this for the sake of argument. I like arguing the hard part, it's better than being a conformist most of the time. I could turn around and say what you guys have been saying. But here are some points to REALLY consider: Against derping around: 1. You can't run **** fits and be competitive 2. This game is a competitive game 3. You're ruining my fun For derping around: 1. You can be competitive and run shitfits 2. This game is not necessarily a competitive game. 3. What's the point of the game if not to have fun Now, some points to remember, winning isn't always fun, and being competitive isn't always either. Also, if they're dicking around in the redline, they won't go 0-20. If it really was a close game and you lost because someone was dicking around, is it really that much of a loss? You had a good game, had a good score, and probably had some fun. The only people who would not agree with this last part are those who a. care too much about K/D, or b. were like those who thought it was a good idea for the "call for help" function to be implemented in a team based game. Also, how can you say Dust is a competitive game at this point when most games are extremely one sided I assure you 90% of the time it isn't because of some dudes in the redline derping around.
I wasn't talking about dicking around in my first post  .
I was talking about players who go 0/20 cuz they act dumb. Spawning just to die.
This can't be fun. Cuz they are not doing anything else other than dying.
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Mejt0 wrote:I wasn't talking about dicking around in my first post . I was talking about players who go 0/20 cuz they act dumb. Spawning just to die. This can't be fun. Cuz they are not doing anything else other than dying.
I know you weren't, and I agree with you, it should not happen...
But as I said, can't no player do nuthin, only CCP.
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LUGMOS wrote:Thumb Green wrote:It was when I originally asked why play a competitive game when you don't want to be competitive. Passive way of telling you to go play a non-competitive game. Psssh... Sorry, didn't realize I had to play competitively. Don't worry, I'm only doing this for the sake of argument. I like arguing the hard part, it's better than being a conformist most of the time. I could turn around and say what you guys have been saying. But here are some points to REALLY consider: Against derping around: 1. You can't run **** fits and be competitive 2. This game is a competitive game 3. You're ruining my fun For derping around: 1. You can be competitive and run shitfits 2. This game is not necessarily a competitive game. 3. What's the point of the game if not to have fun Now, some points to remember, winning isn't always fun, and being competitive isn't always either. Also, if they're dicking around in the redline, they won't go 0-20. If it really was a close game and you lost because someone was dicking around, is it really that much of a loss? You had a good game, had a good score, and probably had some fun. The only people who would not agree with this last part are those who a. care too much about K/D, or b. were like those who thought it was a good idea for the "call for help" function to be implemented in a team based game. Also, how can you say Dust is a competitive game at this point when most games are extremely one sided I assure you 90% of the time it isn't because of some dudes in the redline derping around.
I'm really starting to think you and I are arguing slightly different things. One of the first things I said was "I'm not saying you can't play to have fun". You can run dipshit lol fits all day long and still put in a slight bit of effort towards winning the match. You can still race your little tin cans around the map as you hack objectives but if all you want to do is race, go play Forza. I'm not asking people to follow me into hell, I'm just asking for a little bit of damn effort. Being competitive doesn't mean you're playing like an "MLG" player and going balls to the walls about it. It just means you're putting in some kind of effort towards the win.
I can say dust is a competitive game because every mode it has is designed for one team to compete against another team. Matches are so one-sided because of the "I got mine" attitude I mentioned earlier. The vast majority of my matches I see good players on both sides but only see one of the sides actually push for the win while the other side's good players are just doing what they can to get as many points for themselves.
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Thumb Green wrote:I'm really starting to think you and I are arguing slightly different things. One of the first things I said was "I'm not saying you can't play to have fun". You can run dipshit lol fits all day long and still put in a slight bit of effort towards winning the match. You can still race your little tin cans around the map as you hack objectives but if all you want to do is race, go play Forza. I'm not asking people to follow me into hell, I'm just asking for a little bit of damn effort. Being competitive doesn't mean you're playing like an "MLG" player and going balls to the walls about it. It just means you're putting in some kind of effort towards the win.
I can say dust is a competitive game because every mode it has is designed for one team to compete against another team. Matches are so one-sided because of the "I got mine" attitude I mentioned earlier. The vast majority of my matches I see good players on both sides but only see one of the sides actually push for the win while the other side's good players are just doing what they can to get as many points for themselves.
And I get that. However, would you REALLY appreciate if all someone did was hack one point, only to have it counter hacked?
I totally see your side of the argument, but what I am trying to get at is when can I have a break? I think most other games have some game mode that is purely for lolz.
In Dust, you have to go through a ton of effort to get your lolz. I am probably taking this too far, as I know that nobody exclusively plays Dust for LAV racing and the sort, but still. Also, you can't run lolfits without trying to put in some effort. You'd have to kill people in melee or PLC fits to succeed, in which case you are doing something. The only activity that I could understand is LAV racing, as nothing gets done towards the win from that.
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LUGMOS wrote:I totally see your side of the argument, but what I am trying to get at is when can I have a break? I think most other games have some game mode that is purely for lolz.
When they introduce PvE.
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Thumb Green wrote:LUGMOS wrote:I totally see your side of the argument, but what I am trying to get at is when can I have a break? I think most other games have some game mode that is purely for lolz. When they introduce PvE.
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Who decided it was a team game?
If you call someone a "mercenary" or a "warlord" then isn't it obvious you are saying they are NOT a team player?
Sure the game has teams but what is wrong with assuming the reason there are teams is to make the game interesting
because the point of games is to be interesting?
Since some people say it is team game I will treat it as such, However They are probably in the minority and
I really don't get where there certainty comes from.
When you have a group of people with a common goal teamwork is important and rewarding but there is no solid reason to think dust is actually supposed to be that type of experience, that type of experience is not hard to find, in fact it should be a big part of your life.
Some people have just decided the opinion "there are teams so it must be team game" is right and the opinion "It is a game and games are supposed to be fun" is wrong. I am sorry, but those people should not expect people to treat baseless decisions as solid facts, I will treat it as team game to spare myself reading irrational garbage. |
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I particularly don't care about the wins; they prove useful decoys.
But they do provide the reds with OBs...
Both by getting killed and shooting rep-baits...
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jane stalin wrote:Who decided it was a team game?
If you call someone a "mercenary" or a "warlord" then isn't it obvious you are saying they are NOT a team player?
Sure the game has teams but what is wrong with assuming the reason there are teams is to make the game interesting
because the point of games is to be interesting?
Since some people say it is team game I will treat it as such, However They are probably in the minority and
I really don't get where there certainty comes from.
When you have a group of people with a common goal teamwork is important and rewarding but there is no solid reason to think dust is actually supposed to be that type of experience, that type of experience is not hard to find, in fact it should be a big part of your life.
Some people have just decided the opinion "there are teams so it must be team game" is right and the opinion "It is a game and games are supposed to be fun" is wrong. I am sorry, but those people should not expect people to treat baseless decisions as solid facts, I will treat it as team game to spare myself reading irrational garbage.
Sounds like the NBA.
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Posted - 2015.02.19 12:09:00 -
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jane stalin wrote:Who decided it was a team game?
If you call someone a "mercenary" or a "warlord" then isn't it obvious you are saying they are NOT a team player?
Sure the game has teams but what is wrong with assuming the reason there are teams is to make the game interesting
because the point of games is to be interesting?
Since some people say it is team game I will treat it as such, However They are probably in the minority and
I really don't get where there certainty comes from.
When you have a group of people with a common goal teamwork is important and rewarding but there is no solid reason to think dust is actually supposed to be that type of experience, that type of experience is not hard to find, in fact it should be a big part of your life.
Some people have just decided the opinion "there are teams so it must be team game" is right and the opinion "It is a game and games are supposed to be fun" is wrong. I am sorry, but those people should not expect people to treat baseless decisions as solid facts, I will treat it as team game to spare myself reading irrational garbage.
So uhm... How do you go about winning the game?
Is it by... Having your team hold the objective the longest?
Or... Your team wipes out the other teams clones?
Also... A group of mercenaries working together are a... What?
Is it not a team game because you can play for isk, sp, daily missions, blowing up vehicles or coming top of the leaderboards? Because I'm pretty sure even if you do them, it doesn't guarantee the game telling you that you've won.
Mejt0 wrote:I said adv and proto.
Adv cost nothing and it's just as good as proto.
What i'm saying is that the gap between std - adv is much bigger than adv-pro, so 5 adv guys would help a lot.
I'm not talking about sentinel ofc. They can use militia.
In conclusion i'll once again say something about proto :
1. There's nothing else to spend isk on other than proto.
2. When someone is running solo proto gear is the best option to not die within 10seconds from enemy stompers.
ADV can cost about 50k which is about the cost of 4 deaths in an average payout. If everyone is fighting like hell over objectives all in ADV suits, chances are you're going to lose money, once again ADV is only viable when you come out on top.
People running std or lower are making a tidy profit (even in the likely event they get stomped) which is the way to generate enough isk to run ADV or proto in the first place.
1 - it would be nice to have more to spend money on. There are currently only vehicles, suits and clones to spend money on, with the latter being somewhat pointless with PC being so broken. I imagine the warbarge will likely have some things implemented that you can spend isk on at some point. Giving people something to 'fight for' would be a nice way to encourage spending, but I still wouldn't suggest that place to be pubs.
2 - When running solo the best idea is not to run expensive gear you can't afford to lose, because against a well coordinated team your best chance is to give them surprise butt-sex, which is doable in any suit.
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