I did answer his question, with a question. Seriously, if you're not even going to put forth even just a slight bit of effort to win then why are you playing a competitive game? Don't feel like being competitive? Go play a game that isn't built around it.

Exactly. If you want to fck around, go play GTAV. Its great for that, just watch some vids on youtube. Most players don't play FacWar or PC, so pubs are the only place they can play the game as it was intended. This is why I used to rage about AFK, it completly ruins the experience for others. If you are jacking in the red line, or running LoLMeleeSentinalFit, you are ruining the fun for someone else.

Where was the question/answer thing... I don't see it.

It was when I originally asked why play a competitive game when you don't want to be competitive. Passive way of telling you to go play a non-competitive game.

Psssh... Sorry, didn't realize I had to play competitively.

Don't worry, I'm only doing this for the sake of argument. I like arguing the hard part, it's better than being a conformist most of the time.

I could turn around and say what you guys have been saying. But here are some points to REALLY consider:

Against derping around:
1. You can't run **** fits and be competitive
2. This game is a competitive game
3. You're ruining my fun

For derping around:
1. You can be competitive and run shitfits
2. This game is not necessarily a competitive game.
3. What's the point of the game if not to have fun

Now, some points to remember, winning isn't always fun, and being competitive isn't always either. Also, if they're dicking around in the redline, they won't go 0-20. If it really was a close game and you lost because someone was dicking around, is it really that much of a loss? You had a good game, had a good score, and probably had some fun. The only people who would not agree with this last part are those who a. care too much about K/D, or b. were like those who thought it was a good idea for the "call for help" function to be implemented in a team based game.

Also, how can you say Dust is a competitive game at this point when most games are extremely one sided

I assure you 90% of the time it isn't because of some dudes in the redline derping around.

I wasn't talking about dicking around in my first post .
I was talking about players who go 0/20 cuz they act dumb. Spawning just to die.
This can't be fun. Cuz they are not doing anything else other than dying.

Psssh... Sorry, didn't realize I had to play competitively.

Don't worry, I'm only doing this for the sake of argument. I like arguing the hard part, it's better than being a conformist most of the time.

I could turn around and say what you guys have been saying. But here are some points to REALLY consider:

Against derping around:
1. You can't run **** fits and be competitive
2. This game is a competitive game
3. You're ruining my fun

For derping around:
1. You can be competitive and run shitfits
2. This game is not necessarily a competitive game.
3. What's the point of the game if not to have fun

Now, some points to remember, winning isn't always fun, and being competitive isn't always either. Also, if they're dicking around in the redline, they won't go 0-20. If it really was a close game and you lost because someone was dicking around, is it really that much of a loss? You had a good game, had a good score, and probably had some fun. The only people who would not agree with this last part are those who a. care too much about K/D, or b. were like those who thought it was a good idea for the "call for help" function to be implemented in a team based game.

Also, how can you say Dust is a competitive game at this point when most games are extremely one sided

I assure you 90% of the time it isn't because of some dudes in the redline derping around.

I'm really starting to think you and I are arguing slightly different things. One of the first things I said was "I'm not saying you can't play to have fun". You can run dipshit lol fits all day long and still put in a slight bit of effort towards winning the match. You can still race your little tin cans around the map as you hack objectives but if all you want to do is race, go play Forza. I'm not asking people to follow me into hell, I'm just asking for a little bit of damn effort. Being competitive doesn't mean you're playing like an "MLG" player and going balls to the walls about it. It just means you're putting in some kind of effort towards the win.

I can say dust is a competitive game because every mode it has is designed for one team to compete against another team. Matches are so one-sided because of the "I got mine" attitude I mentioned earlier. The vast majority of my matches I see good players on both sides but only see one of the sides actually push for the win while the other side's good players are just doing what they can to get as many points for themselves.

I totally see your side of the argument, but what I am trying to get at is when can I have a break? I think most other games have some game mode that is purely for lolz.

When they introduce PvE.

I particularly don't care about the wins; they prove useful decoys.

Who decided it was a team game?
If you call someone a "mercenary" or a "warlord" then isn't it obvious you are saying they are NOT a team player?
Sure the game has teams but what is wrong with assuming the reason there are teams is to make the game interesting
because the point of games is to be interesting?

Since some people say it is team game I will treat it as such, However They are probably in the minority and
I really don't get where there certainty comes from.
When you have a group of people with a common goal teamwork is important and rewarding but there is no solid reason to think dust is actually supposed to be that type of experience, that type of experience is not hard to find, in fact it should be a big part of your life.

Some people have just decided the opinion "there are teams so it must be team game" is right and the opinion "It is a game and games are supposed to be fun" is wrong. I am sorry, but those people should not expect people to treat baseless decisions as solid facts, I will treat it as team game to spare myself reading irrational garbage.

Who decided it was a team game?
If you call someone a "mercenary" or a "warlord" then isn't it obvious you are saying they are NOT a team player?
Sure the game has teams but what is wrong with assuming the reason there are teams is to make the game interesting
because the point of games is to be interesting?

Since some people say it is team game I will treat it as such, However They are probably in the minority and
I really don't get where there certainty comes from.
When you have a group of people with a common goal teamwork is important and rewarding but there is no solid reason to think dust is actually supposed to be that type of experience, that type of experience is not hard to find, in fact it should be a big part of your life.

Some people have just decided the opinion "there are teams so it must be team game" is right and the opinion "It is a game and games are supposed to be fun" is wrong. I am sorry, but those people should not expect people to treat baseless decisions as solid facts, I will treat it as team game to spare myself reading irrational garbage.

I said adv and proto.
Adv cost nothing and it's just as good as proto.
What i'm saying is that the gap between std - adv is much bigger than adv-pro, so 5 adv guys would help a lot.
I'm not talking about sentinel ofc. They can use militia.

In conclusion i'll once again say something about proto :
1. There's nothing else to spend isk on other than proto.
2. When someone is running solo proto gear is the best option to not die within 10seconds from enemy stompers.