DUST Search - New Cal & Gal Assault Bonus

Funkmaster Whale wrote:

Honestly all the Assault bonuses need to be reworked to give a hybrid offense/defense bonus like the other classes of suits have. Scouts gets two bonuses either to range, dampening, precision, hacking, w/e. Sentinels get two resistance bonuses to two different types of damage. The best part? None of these suits require you to fit in any certain way to make use of the bonuses. They're passive, always-on bonuses that give you the freedom to fit however you want while getting your bonus.

All this while medium suits are stuck with absolute sh-t bonuses that require a specific weapon/equipment to even make use of them. Assaults are supposed to be frontline suits that advance the line of battle, they need regen and sustainability to do that. Give each Assault a hybrid defense/offense bonus that helps them do this. Things like armor repair, reduced speed penalties on armor, shield regen, shield regen delay, etc combined with a small reload/dispersion or whatever bonus is what it should be. The current bonuses for Assaults are just so unappealing because they're simultaneously lackluster and pigeonhole you into using a specific module to actually get the bonus.

Pages: 1 [2] :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Warbot Titan X Dead Man's Game RUST415 180	Posted - 2015.03.04 02:42:00 - [31] - Quote I like+ My Dust 514 Youtube Channel
HOLY PERFECTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 51	Posted - 2015.03.04 02:43:00 - [32] - Quote YOURNAME@YOURSTUPID *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1816	Posted - 2015.03.04 02:43:00 - [33] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Honestly all the Assault bonuses need to be reworked to give a hybrid offense/defense bonus like the other classes of suits have. Scouts gets two bonuses either to range, dampening, precision, hacking, w/e. Sentinels get two resistance bonuses to two different types of damage. The best part? None of these suits require you to fit in any certain way to make use of the bonuses. They're passive, always-on bonuses that give you the freedom to fit however you want while getting your bonus. All this while medium suits are stuck with absolute sh-t bonuses that require a specific weapon/equipment to even make use of them. Assaults are supposed to be frontline suits that advance the line of battle, they need regen and sustainability to do that. Give each Assault a hybrid defense/offense bonus that helps them do this. Things like armor repair, reduced speed penalties on armor, shield regen, shield regen delay, etc combined with a small reload/dispersion or whatever bonus is what it should be. The current bonuses for Assaults are just so unappealing because they're simultaneously lackluster and pigeonhole you into using a specific module to actually get the bonus. This is what I agree with and what made Logistics so powerful before their rework , the fact that they had bonuses like the ones mentioned that helped them to be useful and slayers as well as support format , I said the same awhile back about Assaults and still believe so . Good observation . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2465	Posted - 2015.03.04 02:48:00 - [34] - Quote Soul Cairn wrote: Can I get an explanation of how Optimal range is a bad bonus? Because it justifies a damage bonus for the Calassault. Home at Last <3
Big miku Nation of Miku 469	Posted - 2015.03.04 02:48:00 - [35] - Quote Wait wait wait! With CAL ak.0 skilled all they way up and bolt Pistol Reload skilled all the way, You get a super fast Awesome Reload. I sometimes spend entire games just reloading the bolt pistol, it is too cool.
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 608	Posted - 2015.03.04 02:49:00 - [36] - Quote Soul Cairn wrote: CalAssault - 5% Reduction to Kick/Recoil for Hybrid Rail Weapons per level GalAssault - 5% Reduction to Reload speed (or Optimal Range) for Hybrid Blaster Weapons per level Thoughts? lol "swap the bonuses" Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 38 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3469	Posted - 2015.03.04 03:26:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: Reload Speed is already taken by the Commandos. This, hence why I don't want to see any other suit have it. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Poultryge1st KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 98	Posted - 2015.03.04 11:40:00 - [38] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Killer's Coys wrote: A range increasing for the gallente assault would be OP. But first, why would people change th me gallente assault bonus? I've the gallente assault, and with the AR it's just amazing... Your weapon doesn't move and the bullets are where you want. There isn't any reason to change it for me. What about the Caldari. The bonus is nice also. But yeah a bit useless. I agree with the proposition. But another good bonus would be a charge up time reduction. Why does everyone think charge time is a good bonus? Stop suggesting it dust forums, I'd rather have reload speed then that 'bonus'. Agreed
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5183	Posted - 2015.03.04 11:47:00 - [39] - Quote Soul Cairn wrote: CalAssault - 5% Reduction to Kick/Recoil for Hybrid Rail Weapons per level GalAssault - 5% Reduction to Reload speed (or Optimal Range) for Hybrid Blaster Weapons per level Thoughts? My thoughts are leave the gal assault bonus alone. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Ralden Caster KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2015.03.04 12:22:00 - [40] - Quote if the gallente assault were to have a bonus for range, it would become a necessity to be running gallente assault to really utilize the weapon. Its base stats should have its range extended and its recoil increased, as I stated, so that the reduction to kick would become useful. Suit bonuses should not really make a weapon more lethal than they should improve upon its "ease of use". The weapon should still be just as lethal outside of an assault's hands, but just require a bit more care. As an engineer, your buildings are like your children. You hit them to make them work harder.

Ralden Caster KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2015.03.04 12:27:00 - [41] - Quote For instance, the minmatar bonus to clip size does not actually make the weapon more lethal directly, but rather allows some leniency with your shots. The overheat reduction on Amarr assaults is fine because the damage that the laser rifle reaches at high heat is actually the same whether or not its an Amarr assault using it; the high damage output is just more sustainable on Amarr assault due to the overheat reduction. As an engineer, your buildings are like your children. You hit them to make them work harder.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 928	Posted - 2015.03.04 12:39:00 - [42] - Quote Cal bonus would be good. Gal should have increased capacity for tin cans or quafe drink. Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 928	Posted - 2015.03.04 12:42:00 - [43] - Quote Ralden Caster wrote: For instance, the minmatar bonus to clip size does not actually make the weapon more lethal directly, but rather allows some leniency with your shots. The overheat reduction on Amarr assaults is fine because the damage that the laser rifle reaches at high heat is actually the same whether or not its an Amarr assault using it; the high damage output is just more sustainable on Amarr assault due to the overheat reduction. In other words, Amarr and minmatar bonuses gives them increased time to deal dmg with their rifle [CR, ScR, LR] Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22447	Posted - 2015.03.04 16:27:00 - [44] - Quote Francois Sanchez wrote: Do you really want to get shotgunned at 25m? (because that's what the breach variant would d,o, 70 damage per shot at 25m...) I am not particularly concerned about a weapon that does 70 DPS and only has 140 damage in the clip at 25m. Holding up the breach shotgun as apparent evidence that something would be OP is also hilarious. Have you tried actually using it? Quote: I admit the AR already has a nice spread/kick and that the bonus is not needed, but it's still useful and it actually increases the range of the gun by reducing spread. And it's super useful for the tac and burst variants, the ion pistol and also for shotgunning. 'actually increases the range of the gun by reducing spread' No. The TAR doesn't really need it anymore since kick/dispersion was reduced, the burst doesn't really care about it, and the ion pistol is better now. It is completely useless for shotgunning. Quote: If you look at other assault bonuses, they don't increase the DPS, whereas increasing the range, or as I heard a few times, increasing the RoF would increase the DPS significantly. Increasing the range would do nothing to buff the DPS. It would simply give it more range. If you would like to argue that it would mean a DPS increase in certain scenarios, I will point you to the Amarr assault bonus which allows you to use the charge shot on the SCR viably. Gallente Guide
Ralden Caster KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2015.03.04 21:28:00 - [45] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Ralden Caster wrote: For instance, the minmatar bonus to clip size does not actually make the weapon more lethal directly, but rather allows some leniency with your shots. The overheat reduction on Amarr assaults is fine because the damage that the laser rifle reaches at high heat is actually the same whether or not its an Amarr assault using it; the high damage output is just more sustainable on Amarr assault due to the overheat reduction. In other words, Amarr and minmatar bonuses gives them increased time to deal dmg with their rifle [CR, ScR, LR] Exactly. They make it easier to sustain DPS. The gallente AR should have more recoil, but a longer range so it can be used by anyone, with an advantage to gallente assaults. If the range was affected by the gallente assault bonus, only gallente assaults would use the rifle. As an engineer, your buildings are like your children. You hit them to make them work harder.
Ralden Caster KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2015.03.04 21:32:00 - [46] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: (The Gallente assault's reduction to spread) is completely useless for shotgunning. No, it is even more powerful than the reduction gained by shotgun operation and they stack; that 40% reduction to shotgun spread is amazing. As an engineer, your buildings are like your children. You hit them to make them work harder.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15384	Posted - 2015.03.04 21:44:00 - [47] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The Gallente bonus is entirely too useful especially on the Ion Pistol where it is near mandatory against fast targets. Also not needing to ADS when fighting targets that strafe is great. The biggest differences that will be immediately ne noticed are on the Tactical, and Burst AR. Both of which have mediocre hipfire. Though you will notice that the Breach AR easily hits targets at even 50m+ off the hip and you will also notice that you never need to let go of the trigger on the regular AR to get back accuracy in CQC. It does nothing of worth for the base Assault Rifle, and the IoP hip fire is shite for no good reason. Stop trying to compensate for shite weapons with bonuses. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15384	Posted - 2015.03.04 21:46:00 - [48] - Quote Ralden Caster wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: (The Gallente assault's reduction to spread) is completely useless for shotgunning. No, it is even more powerful than the reduction gained by shotgun operation and they stack; that 40% reduction to shotgun spread is amazing. Have you met the pre-buff HMG? It had laser accurate hip fire!... And sucked because of that. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2480	Posted - 2015.03.04 21:51:00 - [49] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Ralden Caster wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: (The Gallente assault's reduction to spread) is completely useless for shotgunning. No, it is even more powerful than the reduction gained by shotgun operation and they stack; that 40% reduction to shotgun spread is amazing. Have you met the pre-buff HMG? It had laser accurate hip fire!... And sucked because of that. The shotgun would actually be super OP with pinpoint hipfire... Ever used slug shotguns before in a game. Pinpoint hipfire is good for semiautomatics, but bad for full autos. Don't ask me why, because I don't really understand why it is like that, but it is. The shotgun is good on Gallassault. Home at Last <3
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22466	Posted - 2015.03.04 21:51:00 - [50] - Quote Ralden Caster wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: (The Gallente assault's reduction to spread) is completely useless for shotgunning. No, it is even more powerful than the reduction gained by shotgun operation and they stack; that 40% reduction to shotgun spread is amazing. The shotgun reticle needs to be dead on target to correctly apply damage. Dispersion is basically irrelevant except in a few scenarios, where it still doesn't help much. Gallente Guide

Ralden Caster KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2015.03.04 22:31:00 - [51] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The shotgun reticle needs to be dead on target to correctly apply damage. Dispersion is basically irrelevant except in a few scenarios, where it still doesn't help much. It helps with firing from range. Test it for yourself, it essentially increases its range. As an engineer, your buildings are like your children. You hit them to make them work harder.
Ralden Caster KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2015.03.04 22:33:00 - [52] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Ralden Caster wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: (The Gallente assault's reduction to spread) is completely useless for shotgunning. No, it is even more powerful than the reduction gained by shotgun operation and they stack; that 40% reduction to shotgun spread is amazing. Have you met the pre-buff HMG? It had laser accurate hip fire!... And sucked because of that. The HMG is a suppression weapon, which is why it sucked. Shotguns are meant to make whatever is in front of you fall over, and the dispersion bonus allows enemies further away to still succumb to falling over. As an engineer, your buildings are like your children. You hit them to make them work harder.
Myron Kundera UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 173	Posted - 2015.03.04 23:13:00 - [53] - Quote Moar speed for the Gallente Assault, that way i can put another plate on my lows and ditch the CKincat! 3% extra speed per level. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
xavier zor 0uter.Heaven 689	Posted - 2015.03.04 23:18:00 - [54] - Quote I think a ROF increases for the gallante would be reasonable retired lurking replying


Pages: 1 [2] :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page