Only changes I want to see to AV:

1) Remove swarm bonus to Minmando.

2) Reduce AV effectiveness against STD LAVs (note: not BPOs; increased lock time for swarms and/or decreased damage from forges and swarms, AV nades the same though).

3) Smaller swarm lock box, decrease lock-break time once out of the box. (Just enough time to angle shots)

Dropship roughly equals a helicopter right?

Just be glad you can't be brought down with small arms fire (which AFAIK, real helicopters can be).

Another thing to be glad about?

You can actually flee after getting hit with a single Swarm volley, I don't think many real helicopters would survive 2 missiles let alone 6.

Many infantry in real life cannot survive getting shot with bullets several hundred / several thousand times in the periods of fifteen minutes, but hey as long as it take all ten of your clones HP, you're fine. You're fine even if someone has a needle.

Real life helicopters are not part of a science fiction setting, nor are they provided with 'shields'.

Using 'real life' is poor argumentation.

Only changes I want to see to AV:

1) Remove swarm bonus to Minmando.

2) Reduce AV effectiveness against STD LAVs (note: not BPOs; increased lock time for swarms and/or decreased damage from forges and swarms, AV nades the same though).

3) Smaller swarm lock box, decrease lock-break time once out of the box. (Just enough time to angle shots)

1. It's not a swarm bonus, explosive applies to the mass driver. plus the Minmando TTK is the same as a galassault with three damage mods unless reloads come into play. learn math. the difference between a max-modded minmando and a max-modded galassault is less than 5% DPS. Math is awesome. I've tested TTK to death, and minmandos don't have the advantage you claim they do.

2: Get out. No.

3. eh. I don't use swarms unless I'm trolling so I can't comment here.

1) First off, it doesn't make sense lore-wise. Cal should get it, if anyone, and even Amarr have almost as many missile ships in Eve. Gal assault need to be proto to match Minmando, where a Minmando can be maxed at ADV. Minmando also gets a bonus and shares the damage mod application with the CR, making it much more viable against infantry (at least moreso than an assault w/ swarms). I just think it's too good at too many things at the same time.

2) All AV does tank level damage, and unless you're in a Saga II, you're going to get wrecked. The only things affected will be swarms and forges; AV nades and proxies will still be more than viable. Also BPOs will be mainly for transport and won't be affected, I even want their highs and lows removed.

3) the goal here is to try and make swarms a little more "avoidable," if that makes sense. Kind of like flying over a forger in a ADS. It shouldn't affect tank engagements, but targeting a strafing LAV or ADS up close should require a bit more skill, imo.

The main term in Assault Dropship is Dropship not gunship

You seem to be missing the whole, "Assault" adjective. It's meant to support ground forces, in transport and firepower.

Sadly, no one uses them for transport much, but that's not the pilot's fault (at least not mine).

Dropship roughly equals a helicopter right?

Just be glad you can't be brought down with small arms fire (which AFAIK, real helicopters can be).

Another thing to be glad about?

You can actually flee after getting hit with a single Swarm volley, I don't think many real helicopters would survive 2 missiles let alone 6.

2) All AV does tank level damage, and unless you're in a Saga II, you're going to get wrecked. The only things affected will be swarms and forges; AV nades and proxies will still be more than viable. Also BPOs will be mainly for transport and won't be affected, I even want their highs and lows removed.

Dropship roughly equals a helicopter right?

Just be glad you can't be brought down with small arms fire (which AFAIK, real helicopters can be).

Another thing to be glad about?

You can actually flee after getting hit with a single Swarm volley, I don't think many real helicopters would survive 2 missiles let alone 6.

This just in:

An infantryman can not survive multiple shots from an assault rifle or 50 cal machine gun. Nor can they jump ten feet in the air let alone shoot while hopping left and right and back and forth.

Also, uplinks do not exist.


Complete denial of a playstyle or use of an in game element is not acceptable no matter how much you want to get your kills or hate on vehicles.

It's simply ridiculous that one AV user with a forge gun or a swarm launcher can single handedly force (or even destroy) an MAV out of action. The dropship is a vehicle for troop transport and close-aerial support, yet one commando with a swarm as a back-up weapon can fire one volley and do a staggering amount of damage, enough to force the pilot to run. AV should be a co-ordinated effort, taking maybe 2-3 forge gunners or 3-4 swarm launchers to effectively take down a dropship. There are a number of key issues that make the need for an urgent change in the Vehicle v Anti-Vehicle game, such as;

1. The visual impairment of a pilot vs smaller targets that sometimes do not render on the ground. It's difficult to see your enemy when they are unmarked, while a dropship is a pretty bigger target, that of course can be locked on to.

2. Rendering issues. A pilot can be flying his/her ship, completely unaware that dead ahead is a volley of swarms incoming, moments away from slamming into the craft. Why is the pilot unaware? There are no warning systems, no alarm, no heads-up red text, and most of all, a lot of the time the missiles simply do not render. They're completely invisible. So, how are we meant to kill the attacker before he kills our ship when we cannot even see the his ship-seeking-swarm from hell? The forge gun rounds are visible, but the HUD still doesn't give you a direction from where the blast came from if it slams you from an unseen angle.

3. Speed difference. Swarm missiles, forge gun rounds, large rail rounds and missiles travel faster than the max speed of all dropships, even with an afterburner equipped. Is this an issue in itself? No, it's absolutely fine. However, the speed advantage of these anti-vehicle weapons combined with their high damage output, makes a single AV user in close proximity of the craft highly-capable of single handedly destroying a ship on their own, especially combined with the two other points above. This should not be the case.

4. SP and ISK difference is huge. It doesn't take all that much SP to skill into swarm launchers, let alone proto-level, ... the same goes for forge guns. A dedicated pilot will roughly spend 20 million in total for a maxed-out, effective Assault-variant, as well as an expensively fitted standard dropship. The price tags for vehicles are quite fair, because the fact that they are vehicles. Not items. Of course they'll be more expensive. But right now, the risk vs. reward is way out of balance.

The answer? I don't know, my best idea I can come up with is allow a PG/ CPU Increase on all MAV's (Dropships) to allow for larger defensive modules to cope in the unbalanced envionment, or maybe a simple base HP increase. A well-fit Python will have a total HP of around 3600 HP. That, in my opinion, to counter the issues above / high-damage levels, should be doubled. It would give the pilot time to decided "should I run away before this gets worse, or can I take on those two swarm launchers?" Instead of getting hit by one volley , frantically turning on all modules and going "****,**** NONONO" and flying as far away as possible.

TL:DR Small HP increase for dropships desperatley needed for bugged AV.

As always, thanks for reading and hope you see my points.