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Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 392	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:40:00 - [1] - Quote So I have two fits I mostly use these days, one which is proto, one which isn't. Here they are; Non-Proto Fit 'Dragonfly' Scout Rail Rifle Breach Scrambler Pistol Nanite Injector Stable Drop Uplink Enhanced Shield Extender Enhanced Ferroscale Plates Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer Basic Cardiac Regulator Proto Fit Republic Assault mk.0 Republic Boundless Specialist Combat Rifle Republic Six Kin Submachine Gun Stable Drop Uplink 2 x Republic Complex Shield Extender Republic Complex Shield Energizer Enhanced Light Damage Modifier Basic Cardiac Regulator Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer 2 x Republic Complex Shield Regulator Now, the weird thing is, out of those two, I do MUCH better with the non-proto fit, which only has 335eHP, as opposed to the proto fit's 585eHP. It just goes to show that using Proto gear will not make you invincible, and that you're not getting stomped because someone's using proto gear. It comes down to their teamwork, and how your team works together to combat them. I don't even think Proto-stomping should be a term for it. I've seen plenty of people say that they'd still stomp in mlt gear. Thoughts? Resident pasty smasher
TritusX PH4NT0M5 232	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:47:00 - [2] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: So I have two fits I mostly use these days, one which is proto, one which isn't. Here they are; Non-Proto Fit 'Dragonfly' Scout Rail Rifle Breach Scrambler Pistol Nanite Injector Stable Drop Uplink Enhanced Shield Extender Enhanced Ferroscale Plates Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer Basic Cardiac Regulator Proto Fit Republic Assault mk.0 Republic Boundless Specialist Combat Rifle Republic Six Kin Submachine Gun Stable Drop Uplink 2 x Republic Complex Shield Extender Republic Complex Shield Energizer Enhanced Light Damage Modifier Basic Cardiac Regulator Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer 2 x Republic Complex Shield Regulator Now, the weird thing is, out of those two, I do MUCH better with the non-proto fit, which only has 335eHP, as opposed to the proto fit's 585eHP. It just goes to show that using Proto gear will not make you invincible, and that you're not getting stomped because someone's using proto gear. It comes down to their teamwork, and how your team works together to combat them. I don't even think Proto-stomping should be a term for it. I've seen plenty of people say that they'd still stomp in mlt gear. Thoughts? It's playstyle. Proto is used with squads and mics. They tell each other every thing, and use general strategies like logi and heavy. They also have some scouts to find positions. It's not about proto. It's the squad. And the squad uses proto to be the most effective. Forced Death
Nirwanda Vaughns 1377	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:48:00 - [3] - Quote and if you come up against 6 guys all runnign full proto it doens't matter which you run cos they'll tram straight though it. the thing that leads to stomps is the full squads. its a simple idea 2 heavy 3 logi 1 cal scout with range amps (or swap logi/heavy round) the scout picks up any uplinks and the squad farms them and jus tmoves round and round farming uplinks. until smart deploy is sorted then people will get stomped because it takes about 30 clones for smart deploy to think "oh hey st. my guys are getting fked the hell up if i drop them there, i better not do that no more" someone many moons ago came up with an idea that teh spawn map is divided into 4x4 grid. you pick a grid to spawn in and it drops you somewhere in that square. if you dont have scanners and drop in on reds thats your own dumb fault. as it stands smart deploy is too stupid to prevent the uplink farm stomps Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6025	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:49:00 - [4] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: So I have two fits I mostly use these days, one which is proto, one which isn't. Here they are; Non-Proto Fit 'Dragonfly' Scout Rail Rifle Breach Scrambler Pistol Nanite Injector Stable Drop Uplink Enhanced Shield Extender Enhanced Ferroscale Plates Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer Basic Cardiac Regulator Proto Fit Republic Assault mk.0 Republic Boundless Specialist Combat Rifle Republic Six Kin Submachine Gun Stable Drop Uplink 2 x Republic Complex Shield Extender Republic Complex Shield Energizer Enhanced Light Damage Modifier Basic Cardiac Regulator Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer 2 x Republic Complex Shield Regulator Now, the weird thing is, out of those two, I do MUCH better with the non-proto fit, which only has 335eHP, as opposed to the proto fit's 585eHP. It just goes to show that using Proto gear will not make you invincible, and that you're not getting stomped because someone's using proto gear. It comes down to their teamwork, and how your team works together to combat them. I don't even think Proto-stomping should be a term for it. I've seen plenty of people say that they'd still stomp in mlt gear. Thoughts? Proto gear is just the excuse for people that want something to whine about instead of squading up and finding ways to win. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 818	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:50:00 - [5] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: So I have two fits I mostly use these days, one which is proto, one which isn't. Here they are; Non-Proto Fit 'Dragonfly' Scout Rail Rifle Breach Scrambler Pistol Nanite Injector Stable Drop Uplink Enhanced Shield Extender Enhanced Ferroscale Plates Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer Basic Cardiac Regulator Proto Fit Republic Assault mk.0 Republic Boundless Specialist Combat Rifle Republic Six Kin Submachine Gun Stable Drop Uplink 2 x Republic Complex Shield Extender Republic Complex Shield Energizer Enhanced Light Damage Modifier Basic Cardiac Regulator Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer 2 x Republic Complex Shield Regulator Now, the weird thing is, out of those two, I do MUCH better with the non-proto fit, which only has 335eHP, as opposed to the proto fit's 585eHP. It just goes to show that using Proto gear will not make you invincible, and that you're not getting stomped because someone's using proto gear. It comes down to their teamwork, and how your team works together to combat them. I don't even think Proto-stomping should be a term for it. I've seen plenty of people say that they'd still stomp in mlt gear. Thoughts? Trying to turn an assault into a scout suit, yes it going to get wrecked. I don't know how far you've specced into gal scout but its dampen bonus will keep itt off the tacnet. That min assualt its just waving a giant red chevron over its head saying 'shoot me!!". No plates, no reps, and only 132 more shields ehp than a naked frame. Its going to die. A lot. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Obliv Shining Flame Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:50:00 - [6] - Quote TritusX wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: So I have two fits I mostly use these days, one which is proto, one which isn't. Here they are; Non-Proto Fit 'Dragonfly' Scout Rail Rifle Breach Scrambler Pistol Nanite Injector Stable Drop Uplink Enhanced Shield Extender Enhanced Ferroscale Plates Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer Basic Cardiac Regulator Proto Fit Republic Assault mk.0 Republic Boundless Specialist Combat Rifle Republic Six Kin Submachine Gun Stable Drop Uplink 2 x Republic Complex Shield Extender Republic Complex Shield Energizer Enhanced Light Damage Modifier Basic Cardiac Regulator Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer 2 x Republic Complex Shield Regulator Now, the weird thing is, out of those two, I do MUCH better with the non-proto fit, which only has 335eHP, as opposed to the proto fit's 585eHP. It just goes to show that using Proto gear will not make you invincible, and that you're not getting stomped because someone's using proto gear. It comes down to their teamwork, and how your team works together to combat them. I don't even think Proto-stomping should be a term for it. I've seen plenty of people say that they'd still stomp in mlt gear. Thoughts? It's playstyle. Proto is used with squads and mics. They tell each other every thing, and use general strategies like logi and heavy. They also have some scouts to find positions. It's not about proto. It's the squad. And the squad uses proto to be the most effective. How long does it take to get prototype gear?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6025	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:50:00 - [7] - Quote When I play with good players you literally never hear them say, "hey that guy is using proto". I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Raiden246 State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 14	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:51:00 - [8] - Quote People stomping in militia gear in pubs these days, I'd really like to see. I don't think it's the fact that people have prototype suits, but more that you get 5 or more people running proto AND travelling in a group. Attacking one flares the attention of the entire group, which fires upon a player with prototype weapons. Again, no squad public matches..
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1107	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:51:00 - [9] - Quote I hate the term proto-stomped. It's blamed on proto suits but often it's just a **** team on your side or a stacked team on the other side. Often the stompers aren't in proto suits. Overlord of Broman
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6025	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:53:00 - [10] - Quote Raiden246 wrote: People stomping in militia gear in pubs these days, I'd really like to see. I don't think it's the fact that people have prototype suits, but more that you get 5 or more people running proto and travelling in a group. Attacking one flares the attention of the entire group, which fires upon a player with prototype weapons. Again, no squad public matches.. So people that want to squad would do what? PC and FW? If they do this they should remove skirmish as a public gamemode as there is no reason or purpose for a skirmish if it's all solo players. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6025	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:54:00 - [11] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: I hate the term proto-stomped. It's blamed on proto suits but often it's just a **** team on your side or a stacked team on the other side. Often the stompers aren't in proto suits. The last week I've run a lot of proto when I do get to play. But normally I don't run it until it's clear that we don't have a lot of help from our team and work needs to be done. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
castba Rogue Instincts 751	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:00:00 - [12] - Quote Should you not be comparing your Dragonfly fitting with a gk.0 scout version of that fit? It would be like saying "I do better with my Dren sentinel than my proto commando, therefore proto is not the reason people get stomped". Bit if a silly statement don't you think? "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Raiden246 State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 14	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:01:00 - [13] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Raiden246 wrote: People stomping in militia gear in pubs these days, I'd really like to see. I don't think it's the fact that people have prototype suits, but more that you get 5 or more people running proto and travelling in a group. Attacking one flares the attention of the entire group, which fires upon a player with prototype weapons. Again, no squad public matches.. So people that want to squad would do what? PC and FW? If they do this they should remove skirmish as a public gamemode as there is no reason or purpose for a skirmish if it's all solo players. People that wanted squads could run regular public matches, people who don't want squads could run squad free public matches. Skirmish would work just fine without running squads if they team members knew what they were doing. The point of having no squad public matches as an extra option is to prevent stomping.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1378	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:02:00 - [14] - Quote Raiden246 wrote: People stomping in militia gear in pubs these days, I'd really like to see. I don't think it's the fact that people have prototype suits, but more that you get 5 or more people running proto AND travelling in a group. Attacking one flares the attention of the entire group, which fires upon a player with prototype weapons. Again, no squad public matches.. all the big names will claim they can still stomp in mlt or std gear yet i proposed NoPROvember as a player created event. oddly all the loud mouths wouldn't take part Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6026	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:03:00 - [15] - Quote Raiden246 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Raiden246 wrote: People stomping in militia gear in pubs these days, I'd really like to see. I don't think it's the fact that people have prototype suits, but more that you get 5 or more people running proto and travelling in a group. Attacking one flares the attention of the entire group, which fires upon a player with prototype weapons. Again, no squad public matches.. So people that want to squad would do what? PC and FW? If they do this they should remove skirmish as a public gamemode as there is no reason or purpose for a skirmish if it's all solo players. People that wanted squads could run regular public matches, people who don't want squads could run squad free public matches. Skirmish would work just fine without running squads if they team members knew what they were doing. The point of having no squad public matches as an extra option is to prevent stomping. Why not just address the fact that the problem is with people choosing to deploy over and over again solo in a game geared towards squad and team play? I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1379	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:16:00 - [16] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Raiden246 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Raiden246 wrote: People stomping in militia gear in pubs these days, I'd really like to see. I don't think it's the fact that people have prototype suits, but more that you get 5 or more people running proto and travelling in a group. Attacking one flares the attention of the entire group, which fires upon a player with prototype weapons. Again, no squad public matches.. So people that want to squad would do what? PC and FW? If they do this they should remove skirmish as a public gamemode as there is no reason or purpose for a skirmish if it's all solo players. People that wanted squads could run regular public matches, people who don't want squads could run squad free public matches. Skirmish would work just fine without running squads if they team members knew what they were doing. The point of having no squad public matches as an extra option is to prevent stomping. Why not just address the fact that the problem is with people choosing to deploy over and over again solo in a game geared towards squad and team play? to be fair a player should be able to play solo if wanted. if the match making was working as CCP intended with the MU then there wouldn't be such a problem, solo players would be with solo players. the problem with the matchmaking system probably isn't the system itself but the fact there is such little pool of players that you can't help but 'break the rules' and incorrectly match players because there simply isn't any other choice. and the reason we have such little player pool is because it took so long for decent match making to com ein that any new player was stomped through the floor so hard they just left the game. in the six months i've known 10 players that have just left because they're fed up of the try hards proto stomping all evening and for them its simply not a fun game so they leave to play an easier game Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6028	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:22:00 - [17] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Raiden246 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Raiden246 wrote: People stomping in militia gear in pubs these days, I'd really like to see. I don't think it's the fact that people have prototype suits, but more that you get 5 or more people running proto and travelling in a group. Attacking one flares the attention of the entire group, which fires upon a player with prototype weapons. Again, no squad public matches.. So people that want to squad would do what? PC and FW? If they do this they should remove skirmish as a public gamemode as there is no reason or purpose for a skirmish if it's all solo players. People that wanted squads could run regular public matches, people who don't want squads could run squad free public matches. Skirmish would work just fine without running squads if they team members knew what they were doing. The point of having no squad public matches as an extra option is to prevent stomping. Why not just address the fact that the problem is with people choosing to deploy over and over again solo in a game geared towards squad and team play? to be fair a player should be able to play solo if wanted. if the match making was working as CCP intended with the MU then there wouldn't be such a problem, solo players would be with solo players. the problem with the matchmaking system probably isn't the system itself but the fact there is such little pool of players that you can't help but 'break the rules' and incorrectly match players because there simply isn't any other choice. and the reason we have such little player pool is because it took so long for decent match making to com ein that any new player was stomped through the floor so hard they just left the game. in the six months i've known 10 players that have just left because they're fed up of the try hards proto stomping all evening and for them its simply not a fun game so they leave to play an easier game Correct, a player should be able to play solo. But said player should be able to realize that they are at a disadvantage, not because of gear, but because they are solo going against people working together. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 513	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:25:00 - [18] - Quote Proto has nothing to do with it. You can put a single player into a ambush against an entire corp of Nyain San and if that player is smart, he'll win. Or I should say, if that player has any battle logistics. All that one player has to do is kill one guy and hide the rest of the match. I respect Nyain San, because they play together as a team. That's all it is guys. That's all you have to do. You can't expect to win by having 6 assault guys in your squad running proto, spread out across the map. Get some logi's and heavies and stick together and use common sense. This guy I squaded with yesterday threw the biggest fit over running ambush. He ran into the "blob" and died. Then left my squad and battle, but not before he said this, "I'm going to leave your squad if you keep putting us into ambush. I hate these proto stomping *ssholes. They use modded controllers dude. wtf." My response, "Maybe, or maybe you stupid for running head on into 8 guys, who do you think you are Kalante? Regnum? lol" Then he left. I'm a try-hard, because half my team sits in the MCC.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 1921	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:27:00 - [19] - Quote Its like racism. People tend to associate one thing with a group of people. Its like calling a Mexican a beaner, its not necessarily because all they eat is beans, but because they are associated with eating beans. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 823	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:31:00 - [20] - Quote When someone use proto playing solo : 1. That person have isk to do so. 2. That person can't count on his ret@rded team. Ps. Full squad of players using proto.. they don't need to use comms. They know what to do cuz they're not a bunch of ret@rds. Loyal to State. > *Gallus in suo sterquilinio plurimum potest - the rooster can do plenty in his own dungheap*

Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 393	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:32:00 - [21] - Quote castba wrote: Should you not be comparing your Dragonfly fitting with a gk.0 scout version of that fit? It would be like saying "I do better with my Dren sentinel than my proto commando, therefore proto is not the reason people get stomped". Bit if a silly statement don't you think? Er...no. I'm not comparing anything, I'm saying I do better with a non-proto fit than I do in a proto fit. Whether I'm running them solo or not. I am currently enjoying the debate between Nirwanda amd Thor atm though Resident pasty smasher
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6028	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:34:00 - [22] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: When someone use proto playing solo : 1. That person have isk to do so. 2. That person can't count on his ret@rded team. Ps. Full squad of players using proto.. they don't need to use comms. They know what to do cuz they're not a bunch of ret@rds. This is why I want the game to push people to squad. Playing with others should over time help them play better. It would take a single match and a dude would find out that crouching doesn't help (aside from sniping and HMG) and he wouldn't look so stupid. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Raiden246 State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 14	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:53:00 - [23] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Correct, a player should be able to play solo. But said player should be able to realize that they are at a disadvantage, not because of gear, but because they are solo going against people working together. Which is precisely why I suggest added Skirmish/Ambush modes where there are no squads. What problem are you seeing with this? People shouldn't have to search for a squad to join every time they play a match, lest they be stomped in battle. Which, they probably still would be beaten down if their opponents were 2 queue synced squads.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1381	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:03:00 - [24] - Quote simple solution to this OK folks. Put your Militia where you mouth is, announcing MARCH MILITIA MADNESS from March 1 2015 to March 31 2015 all parties signed below agree to get involved in running nothing but Militia fits. not militia with complex mods but Militia everything. Each member of a person signed ups squad also has to run militia fits as well. many of the guys in here are from the loud mouth corps and alliance so prove the community wrong, earn a butt ton of isk and have a little fun and perhaps show newbies the game can be fun when ashats arn't stomping them into the ground with superior gear. Thor is pretty good with corp management, if he;d be up for creating a channel and organizing something between general tso's too it'd be awesome. i knwo some guys in opposing corps and alliance and we'll get together in one big as militia chat channel and perhaps meet some new friends Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Kierkegaard Soren Corrosive Synergy 704	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:06:00 - [25] - Quote Proto gear and the skill bonuses that allow a player to use them act as a force-multiplier that prevents your average blueberry from coming even close to matching them in battle. I always know if I'm up against gold crosses because they can stack enough hp to survive the damage I dish out to bunny hop, take cover, regen and then wiggle-waggle back out in the open and take me down. Blueberries in std fits will just melt immediately. The difference in suit quality is astounding to be honest. Short of blapping them with forge guns and plc's, proto stomp squads are untouchable. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 395	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:11:00 - [26] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: So I have two fits I mostly use these days, one which is proto, one which isn't. Here they are; Non-Proto Fit 'Dragonfly' Scout Rail Rifle Breach Scrambler Pistol Nanite Injector Stable Drop Uplink Enhanced Shield Extender Enhanced Ferroscale Plates Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer Basic Cardiac Regulator Proto Fit Republic Assault mk.0 Republic Boundless Specialist Combat Rifle Republic Six Kin Submachine Gun Stable Drop Uplink 2 x Republic Complex Shield Extender Republic Complex Shield Energizer Enhanced Light Damage Modifier Basic Cardiac Regulator Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer 2 x Republic Complex Shield Regulator Now, the weird thing is, out of those two, I do MUCH better with the non-proto fit, which only has 335eHP, as opposed to the proto fit's 585eHP. It just goes to show that using Proto gear will not make you invincible, and that you're not getting stomped because someone's using proto gear. It comes down to their teamwork, and how your team works together to combat them. I don't even think Proto-stomping should be a term for it. I've seen plenty of people say that they'd still stomp in mlt gear. Thoughts? Prototype gear is not THE reason people get stomped in pubs, but it is certainly A reason. I dont understand the effort to downplay prototype gear in team imbalances. Proto gear is objectively mathematically better than non-prototype gear. If 6 people of equal skill fight another 6 people, the side wearing higher tier gear will win most of the time. New players should not have to fight against prototype gear, its just one more layer of imbalance that screws over people who are having a hard time to begin with. Im not sure why people keep trying to imply that prototype gear, which can give you 3x or more health than starter fits in addition to much more damage/speed/regen/etc, is something that doesnt matter. Its just insane. This isnt even some unsolvable problem that we need to make drastic changes to fix. All we need is a battle type limited to standard only gear. This would give new players a sandbox to play in without having to worry about their many untimely deaths being due to a drastic gear advantage. Boom. Problem ******* solved, thank me later.
Raiden246 State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 14	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:11:00 - [27] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: simple solution to this OK folks. Put your Militia where you mouth is, announcing MARCH MILITIA MADNESS from March 1 2015 to March 31 2015 all parties signed below agree to get involved in running nothing but Militia fits. not militia with complex mods but Militia everything. Each member of a person signed ups squad also has to run militia fits as well. many of the guys in here are from the loud mouth corps and alliance so prove the community wrong, earn a butt ton of isk and have a little fun and perhaps show newbies the game can be fun when ashats arn't stomping them into the ground with superior gear. Thor is pretty good with corp management, if he;d be up for creating a channel and organizing something between general tso's too it'd be awesome. i knwo some guys in opposing corps and alliance and we'll get together in one big as militia chat channel and perhaps meet some new friends Sigh If you really want to put yourself and others through this, I guess I'll just have to unleash my ultimate m@dsk!llz JK. I will join this. Bringing everybody to the same level of gear really reflects people's actual levels of skill... Oh, and I don't use auto aim. Bow down to my beastliness, I'll 360 noscope headshot collateral quadfeed your noob team.
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 393	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:15:00 - [28] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: simple solution to this OK folks. Put your Militia where you mouth is, announcing MARCH MILITIA MADNESS from March 1 2015 to March 31 2015 all parties signed below agree to get involved in running nothing but Militia fits. not militia with complex mods but Militia everything. Each member of a person signed ups squad also has to run militia fits as well. many of the guys in here are from the loud mouth corps and alliance so prove the community wrong, earn a butt ton of isk and have a little fun and perhaps show newbies the game can be fun when ashats arn't stomping them into the ground with superior gear. Thor is pretty good with corp management, if he;d be up for creating a channel and organizing something between general tso's too it'd be awesome. i knwo some guys in opposing corps and alliance and we'll get together in one big as militia chat channel and perhaps meet some new friends HELL YES! Count me in! Only way I see this backfiring is that the loud mouthed big corp proto runners may just see this as an opportunity to mow us all down like grass...but hey, all kinds of fun to be had! Resident pasty smasher
Nirwanda Vaughns 1384	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:19:00 - [29] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: simple solution to this OK folks. Put your Militia where you mouth is, announcing MARCH MILITIA MADNESS from March 1 2015 to March 31 2015 all parties signed below agree to get involved in running nothing but Militia fits. not militia with complex mods but Militia everything. Each member of a person signed ups squad also has to run militia fits as well. many of the guys in here are from the loud mouth corps and alliance so prove the community wrong, earn a butt ton of isk and have a little fun and perhaps show newbies the game can be fun when ashats arn't stomping them into the ground with superior gear. Thor is pretty good with corp management, if he;d be up for creating a channel and organizing something between general tso's too it'd be awesome. i knwo some guys in opposing corps and alliance and we'll get together in one big as militia chat channel and perhaps meet some new friends HELL YES! Count me in! Only way I see this backfiring is that the loud mouthed big corp proto runners may just see this as an opportunity to mow us all down like grass...but hey, all kinds of fun to be had! probably. that was their excuse for not doing NoPROvember lol i'm always running BPO stuff. i think i need to buy a new Nomad vX.1 cos i've worn my old one ou thahaha Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14981	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:22:00 - [30] - Quote Good players will be good regardless of gear. I've seen some shits in PRO gear that I DESTROYED in my Quafe Assault, fully militia except for the rifle and the suit. If they are destroying you HARD in PRO gear, most likely they will destroy you hard in militia gear too, just slightly less so. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*

Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 393	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:23:00 - [31] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Good players will be good regardless of gear. I've seen some shits in PRO gear that I DESTROYED in my Quafe Assault, fully militia except for the rifle and the suit. If they are destroying you HARD in PRO gear, most likely they will destroy you hard in militia gear too, just slightly less so. I've just made my mlt fit for next month, now to test it! Resident pasty smasher
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14981	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:26:00 - [32] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Good players will be good regardless of gear. I've seen some shits in PRO gear that I DESTROYED in my Quafe Assault, fully militia except for the rifle and the suit. If they are destroying you HARD in PRO gear, most likely they will destroy you hard in militia gear too, just slightly less so. I've just made my mlt fit for next month, now to test it! My Quafe Assault fit is this if you're looking for one. 100% free. Quafe Assault Dren/Exile/Toxin Assault Rifle (Forgot which one) Syndicate SMG MLT Damage mod BPO MLT Armor Plates MLT Armor Repairer x2 MLT Injector Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Nirwanda Vaughns 1385	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:36:00 - [33] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Good players will be good regardless of gear. I've seen some shits in PRO gear that I DESTROYED in my Quafe Assault, fully militia except for the rifle and the suit. If they are destroying you HARD in PRO gear, most likely they will destroy you hard in militia gear too, just slightly less so. so you/they/them have nothing to worry about by taking part then have you Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Nirwanda Vaughns 1385	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:37:00 - [34] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Good players will be good regardless of gear. I've seen some shits in PRO gear that I DESTROYED in my Quafe Assault, fully militia except for the rifle and the suit. If they are destroying you HARD in PRO gear, most likely they will destroy you hard in militia gear too, just slightly less so. I've just made my mlt fit for next month, now to test it! My Quafe Assault fit is this if you're looking for one. 100% free. Quafe Assault Dren/Exile/Toxin Assault Rifle (Forgot which one) Syndicate SMG MLT Damage mod BPO MLT Armor Plates MLT Armor Repairer x2 MLT Injector pretty much what i run lol i have 2 plates and a rep and nanohive though. i've made my own 'frontline' suits using all my BPOs i own liek templar set, covenant, c-II, sentinels ect. only thing i need is a quafe HMG and i'm sorted but i will have my dominus fit shortly so that kinda covers that Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Devilish Killzone 0uter.Heaven 10	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:39:00 - [35] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: So I have two fits I mostly use these days, one which is proto, one which isn't. Here they are; Non-Proto Fit 'Dragonfly' Scout Rail Rifle Breach Scrambler Pistol Nanite Injector Stable Drop Uplink Enhanced Shield Extender Enhanced Ferroscale Plates Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer Basic Cardiac Regulator Proto Fit Republic Assault mk.0 Republic Boundless Specialist Combat Rifle Republic Six Kin Submachine Gun Stable Drop Uplink 2 x Republic Complex Shield Extender Republic Complex Shield Energizer Enhanced Light Damage Modifier Basic Cardiac Regulator Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer 2 x Republic Complex Shield Regulator Now, the weird thing is, out of those two, I do MUCH better with the non-proto fit, which only has 335eHP, as opposed to the proto fit's 585eHP. It just goes to show that using Proto gear will not make you invincible, and that you're not getting stomped because someone's using proto gear. It comes down to their teamwork, and how your team works together to combat them. I don't even think Proto-stomping should be a term for it. I've seen plenty of people say that they'd still stomp in mlt gear. Thoughts? 3 Outer.Heaven members usually do it for me. Contributor to the 0uter.Heaven World of tanks program. Quack Roman hates that game. Quack Tear farming indeed. Quack
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 393	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:46:00 - [36] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Good players will be good regardless of gear. I've seen some shits in PRO gear that I DESTROYED in my Quafe Assault, fully militia except for the rifle and the suit. If they are destroying you HARD in PRO gear, most likely they will destroy you hard in militia gear too, just slightly less so. I've just made my mlt fit for next month, now to test it! My Quafe Assault fit is this if you're looking for one. 100% free. Quafe Assault Dren/Exile/Toxin Assault Rifle (Forgot which one) Syndicate SMG MLT Damage mod BPO MLT Armor Plates MLT Armor Repairer x2 MLT Injector That's not full mlt though Thanks anyway, but then again, I don't have any Quafe stuff except a random Methana I got from a box on Warlords day one... What I like most about this event, is that in terms of suit, if a vet and a newberry have the same fitting, sp investment matters for bugger all. Gonna be one hell of an interesting month. Unless every game is like the test game I just had. Entire team of bluebs, against a pack of 10 reds who roamed constantly. Resident pasty smasher
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14985	Posted - 2015.02.07 02:02:00 - [37] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Good players will be good regardless of gear. I've seen some shits in PRO gear that I DESTROYED in my Quafe Assault, fully militia except for the rifle and the suit. If they are destroying you HARD in PRO gear, most likely they will destroy you hard in militia gear too, just slightly less so. I've just made my mlt fit for next month, now to test it! My Quafe Assault fit is this if you're looking for one. 100% free. Quafe Assault Dren/Exile/Toxin Assault Rifle (Forgot which one) Syndicate SMG MLT Damage mod BPO MLT Armor Plates MLT Armor Repairer x2 MLT Injector That's not full mlt though Thanks anyway, but then again, I don't have any Quafe stuff except a random Methana I got from a box on Warlords day one... What I like most about this event, is that in terms of suit, if a vet and a newberry have the same fitting, sp investment matters for bugger all. Gonna be one hell of an interesting month. Unless every game is like the test game I just had. Entire team of bluebs, against a pack of 10 reds who roamed constantly. There's an event? Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 398	Posted - 2015.02.07 11:42:00 - [38] - Quote Read up, it's not a ccp official event, just something Nirwanda Vaughns wants to set up. Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: simple solution to this OK folks. Put your Militia where you mouth is, announcing MARCH MILITIA MADNESS from March 1 2015 to March 31 2015 all parties signed below agree to get involved in running nothing but Militia fits. not militia with complex mods but Militia everything. Each member of a person signed ups squad also has to run militia fits as well. many of the guys in here are from the loud mouth corps and alliance so prove the community wrong, earn a butt ton of isk and have a little fun and perhaps show newbies the game can be fun when ashats arn't stomping them into the ground with superior gear. Thor is pretty good with corp management, if he;d be up for creating a channel and organizing something between general tso's too it'd be awesome. i knwo some guys in opposing corps and alliance and we'll get together in one big as militia chat channel and perhaps meet some new friends I personally love it. You in Cat Merc? Resident pasty smasher
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 427	Posted - 2015.02.07 11:50:00 - [39] - Quote TritusX wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: So I have two fits I mostly use these days, one which is proto, one which isn't. Here they are; Non-Proto Fit 'Dragonfly' Scout Rail Rifle Breach Scrambler Pistol Nanite Injector Stable Drop Uplink Enhanced Shield Extender Enhanced Ferroscale Plates Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer Basic Cardiac Regulator Proto Fit Republic Assault mk.0 Republic Boundless Specialist Combat Rifle Republic Six Kin Submachine Gun Stable Drop Uplink 2 x Republic Complex Shield Extender Republic Complex Shield Energizer Enhanced Light Damage Modifier Basic Cardiac Regulator Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer 2 x Republic Complex Shield Regulator Now, the weird thing is, out of those two, I do MUCH better with the non-proto fit, which only has 335eHP, as opposed to the proto fit's 585eHP. It just goes to show that using Proto gear will not make you invincible, and that you're not getting stomped because someone's using proto gear. It comes down to their teamwork, and how your team works together to combat them. I don't even think Proto-stomping should be a term for it. I've seen plenty of people say that they'd still stomp in mlt gear. Thoughts? It's playstyle. Proto is used with squads and mics. They tell each other every thing, and use general strategies like logi and heavy. They also have some scouts to find positions. It's not about proto. It's the squad. And the squad uses proto to be the most effective. And this playstyle has no place in pubs where new players and solo casual players play. There needs to be a place for those players and pubs would be it. There are two modes for tryhards. There shouldn't be a problem leaving pubs the no premade, no comms game mode. That will even the teams to the same playstyle. Teamwork is relative. There is still teamwork among solo players, just not highly organized through comms and forming premade squads. Que syncing would naturally be abolished too. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Hawkings Greenback Dead Man's Game RUST415 307	Posted - 2015.02.07 11:58:00 - [40] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Raiden246 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Raiden246 wrote: People stomping in militia gear in pubs these days, I'd really like to see. I don't think it's the fact that people have prototype suits, but more that you get 5 or more people running proto and travelling in a group. Attacking one flares the attention of the entire group, which fires upon a player with prototype weapons. Again, no squad public matches.. So people that want to squad would do what? PC and FW? If they do this they should remove skirmish as a public gamemode as there is no reason or purpose for a skirmish if it's all solo players. People that wanted squads could run regular public matches, people who don't want squads could run squad free public matches. Skirmish would work just fine without running squads if they team members knew what they were doing. The point of having no squad public matches as an extra option is to prevent stomping. Why not just address the fact that the problem is with people choosing to deploy over and over again solo in a game geared towards squad and team play? I don't think there is a problem with running solo in a game geared towards squad/team play IF you accept that you are running at a disadvantage and gear your play style accordingly. But every night I burn. Screaming the animal scream. Every night I burn. Dreaming the crow-black dream.

Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 398	Posted - 2015.02.07 12:26:00 - [41] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Raiden246 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Raiden246 wrote: People stomping in militia gear in pubs these days, I'd really like to see. I don't think it's the fact that people have prototype suits, but more that you get 5 or more people running proto and travelling in a group. Attacking one flares the attention of the entire group, which fires upon a player with prototype weapons. Again, no squad public matches.. So people that want to squad would do what? PC and FW? If they do this they should remove skirmish as a public gamemode as there is no reason or purpose for a skirmish if it's all solo players. People that wanted squads could run regular public matches, people who don't want squads could run squad free public matches. Skirmish would work just fine without running squads if they team members knew what they were doing. The point of having no squad public matches as an extra option is to prevent stomping. Why not just address the fact that the problem is with people choosing to deploy over and over again solo in a game geared towards squad and team play? I don't think there is a problem with running solo in a game geared towards squad/team play IF you accept that you are running at a disadvantage and gear your play style accordingly. There is no problem running solo. I always run solo in pubs, I only ever squad up in MinFW. With that Non-Proto Fit at the beginning of this thread, I often top the board on my team, sometimes both teams, and that's running solo. Resident pasty smasher
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6996	Posted - 2015.02.07 12:45:00 - [42] - Quote I run solo in freefit sentinels all the time. Nothing warms my heart quite like running headlong into a small group of militia newbies and realizing that the little bastards are properly focusing fire on me and get the kill. It's absolutely hilarious. Also bluntly part of the problem inherent to playing is being RISK AVERSE and playing alone. If you fly solo then it really needs to be cheap investment and no f*cks given. People who run squads do well and make a profit. Solo players who run cheap make a profit. It's the nature of the beast. Every single FPS game in existence pretty much allows comms and premade teams. There is no reason ever to try and evict players from the ability to play with friends in any game mode. I agree that proto stomping is a misleading term. I do not agree that any game mode should be created to provide safe haven for the anti-social. You pays your money you takes your chances. AV
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2481	Posted - 2015.02.07 13:12:00 - [43] - Quote Agree. It's nice to hear somebody else say it, given all that proto/tiers gets blamed for on these forums. PSN: RationalSpark
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1860	Posted - 2015.02.07 13:21:00 - [44] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: I hate the term proto-stomped. It's blamed on proto suits but often it's just a **** team on your side or a stacked team on the other side. Often the stompers aren't in proto suits. That type of thinking is one of the clear lines between blueberries and elderberries. Blueberries blame it on the equipment Elderberries blame it on teamwork For many, it takes a long time to realize that the equipment isn't the thing that's holding them back... Some never realize it. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com


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