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ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 452	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:57:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Think it'll be better when and if we have simple crafting. In which case the Experimental Lab can produce Weapon Components or something and then we select what power level of gear to craft with adjusted amounts based on meta level or something. Just an idea though. We are on the same page here. When did this game become Minecraft? Lul Proud owner of 4 proto commandos and 3 proto sentinels. All except amarr sent, its a beginner heavy tbh.:p
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 616	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:45:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This was so that new players can use it as well. Not everyone has skills to level 1 specialization in weapons. Getting a guaranteed officer weapon every day, does seem quite OP. This was all explained in the original thread, as well as the lab that would allow you to convert a random officer weapon into a officer weapon you wanted. How much use does a new player have with x1 of anything STD? (Honest question ) At least the strongboxes gives a quantity that is relative to the meta level. The Experimental Factory is capped at x1/day regardless of meta, right? (Or is it x2.... I don't have it yet)
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 286	Posted - 2015.02.06 06:46:00 - [33] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: So I finally logged all of my weapon assets before claiming the production from my lab since it doesn't tell you what you get. This test is after putting around 50,000 components into the Warbarge to get it to Level 5 with the lab at Level 2. Cost to claim: 103 Components (309 AUR if you are short on components) What was produced?: *1 Standard AV Nade* Yep, one standard nade after investing over 150 days worth of components if you were to generate it with just the barge's factory at lvl 2. This kind of outcome after this kind of investment is unacceptable. The RNG for the lab needs to go. At the very least the loot tables have to be dramatically improved. Wow, just wow. In any sense at all. CCP how could you allow this ? 1 AV Grenade ? Not even like a bundle of them or something. Seriously. That's just.... wow True Amarr In Disguise Pain is weakness leaving the body Proto : ADS Pilot, Tanker Ak.0 : Mando, Scout, Assault
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4516	Posted - 2015.02.06 07:08:00 - [34] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: The Experimental Factory is capped at x1/day regardless of meta, right? (Or is it x2.... I don't have it yet) x1 apparently with better gear more likely the higher level lab you go. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Wolfica Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 784	Posted - 2015.02.06 08:22:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This was so that new players can use it as well. Not everyone has skills to level 1 specialization in weapons. Getting a guaranteed officer weapon every day, does seem quite OP. This was all explained in the original thread, as well as the lab that would allow you to convert a random officer weapon into a officer weapon you wanted. hold the (im seriously about to rage at this right now) on. are you kidding me? "so that new player can use it as well" ? Rattati it takes 5 months to get this thing. if you dont have a proto weapon or somehting proto after 5 months of play then you must not of activated your passive sp when you made the account. ive taken Econ classes i understand marketing and know that you have to make money some how to make a good game. but guess what, what you are doing now is not making a good game. when i first started playing dust back in beta i loved the actual gameplay and freedom it gave me. it was a fun game. even to this day after 26,591kills no other game has compared to the satisfaction i get when winning a 1v1 or getting that final blow on a suit. then after the match i go and chill on coms with friends ive made after 2 years of playing this game. the things you are doing to make money are not making the game better, just because you are making money off of something does not mean its working. im just saying this now, get the heIl away from this random drop crp, the crates were the start, i know people who actually play this game and have over a thousand crates. but unless they drop a couple grand on aur to buy keys there is no way they will open all of them. with this i wouldnt of minded a 1-3 ratio of key-crates. and now the warbarge. tbh i dont give a * about this thing anymore. i had 10k aur left over from the respec i used and decided to use it on components. realized that was a waste and should have used it on a booster, but oh well. this game is moving in the wrong direction Rattati. if you want a game that can keep its player base look down the ***** hall. what has been done in eve is allow the PLAYER to do what they want when it comes to how the game is played in all aspects. war, politics, market. do you think eve would have lasted this long if it said ok you have spent the last year working to build this titan, sorry but you randomly generated a rifter. no i dont think so TL;DR -CCP Rattati, rethink your marketing plan ps. sorry for rage but i have been wanting to do that since fanfest pss also contact me on skype if you want to know what the players really think. psss. listen to your CPM's pssss. make a good game to make money, not make money to make a good game. contact: [email protected] twitter:@Wolfica514 Skype:Wolfica.514 OG Director of FA, and owner of TLoDT
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6967	Posted - 2015.02.06 08:48:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This was so that new players can use it as well. Not everyone has skills to level 1 specialization in weapons. Getting a guaranteed officer weapon every day, does seem quite OP. This was all explained in the original thread, as well as the lab that would allow you to convert a random officer weapon into a officer weapon you wanted. Actually rattati I think directing it to build a weapon, dropsuit or module you have the skills for makes more sense, with an occasional "proc" which adds an experimental x10, officer x3 or specialist x15 to the take would be better. Honestly I would prefer to designate a fit I have saved for the factory to replenish. I would make STD fits manufacture between 20-30/day, ADV between 10-20/day and proto between 5-15/day. With the chanc3 for a proc of an experimental/officer dropsuit/weapon being higher at each tier. Obviously an officer fit should be invalid for replication for obvious reasons. Aurum fits as well. AV
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2015.02.06 09:08:00 - [37] - Quote New players and warbarge don't mix. Did you mean whales and warbarge? A f2p newb won't get there fast enough that it would matter. Help me gain the C-II Dropsuit Pilot & Saboteur

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16657	Posted - 2015.02.06 09:43:00 - [38] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: This was so that new players can use it as well. Not everyone has skills to level 1 specialization in weapons. Getting a guaranteed officer weapon every day, does seem quite OP. This was all explained in the original thread, as well as the lab that would allow you to convert a random officer weapon into a officer weapon you wanted. Actually rattati I think directing it to build a weapon, dropsuit or module you have the skills for makes more sense, with an occasional "proc" which adds an experimental x10, officer x3 or specialist x15 to the take would be better. Honestly I would prefer to designate a fit I have saved for the factory to replenish. I would make STD fits manufacture between 20-30/day, ADV between 10-20/day and proto between 5-15/day. With the chanc3 for a proc of an experimental/officer dropsuit/weapon being higher at each tier. Obviously an officer fit should be invalid for replication for obvious reasons. Aurum fits as well. We are reconsidering this, stay tuned for updates. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 245	Posted - 2015.02.06 10:35:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This was so that new players can use it as well. Not everyone has skills to level 1 specialization in weapons. Getting a guaranteed officer weapon every day, does seem quite OP. This was all explained in the original thread, as well as the lab that would allow you to convert a random officer weapon into a officer weapon you wanted. After 150+ days upgrading your warbage everyday, you're no longer a new player. An experimental lab should give experimental weapons, and you should be able to claim them for free (not for components). This is stupid, and you're taking your own community for dumbasses. Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 638	Posted - 2015.02.06 10:37:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: Well then, it shouldn't cost 103 components to claim a level 1 lab result then. More like 3 than 103. I 100% agree, and it is a bug. The price was supposed to be something like 10 or 20 I believe. We would have fixed that in yesterdays fix if I had known. Now compnents is about 4 isk to resel. 103X4 = 412 ISK per standard AV nade cost 2000 isk in shop. Still good. 1. CCP JUST DECLARE THAT ONLY LAB AT LEV 4 AND LEV 5 MAKE GOOD STUFF 2. This is EXPERIMENT that cost you time and resources If someting going wrong you don't get new item (so standard gear here is ok) or even better your item was DETROYED! If you stand experimental lab like this ALL WILL BE FINE Why most whining people get most? Not much time left...

Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4526	Posted - 2015.02.06 13:18:00 - [41] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2612439#post2612439 CCP Frame wrote: 3)Community Feedback Response: The Warbarge Experimental Laboratory had wrong parameters in the component claim function. We, however, are using the opportunity to change how it works, based on community feedback. The Laboratory will now only create Experimental and Officer Gear, but they will still be claimed for components. You will get random Gear, but as you may know, we also have on our roadmap the ideas of simple crafting to convert them to items you crave or simply trading with players. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
poison Diego Dead Man's Game RUST415 556	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:52:00 - [42] - Quote Are you serious, this is outrageous. Spent 50-60 dollars on 1 experimental weapon a month?!!!! FFS!!! They are not that OP and even if only 1 a day it would take a week to gather supplies for 1-3 pub matches. This is bullcrap and I should have stayed true to my word on not ever giving CCP one more dime. I was actually going to extend my subscription on EVE today but after hearing this **** Im probably biomassing... DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS, proud CBM member Nýja Eden er bara byrjunin.
poison Diego Dead Man's Game RUST415 556	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:57:00 - [43] - Quote This game is like a phone app now. You wont be able to do anything unless you pay fortunes. proud CBM member Nýja Eden er bara byrjunin.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 706	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:39:00 - [44] - Quote I think it would have been an idea to delay the ability to purchase Barge junk with Aur... Just until you ironed out the bugs. People might have learned to be patient that way. Hindsight, sure... But I think a few people called it before hand. On another note, it's not 150 days if you upgrade the thing that generates components first, but it sure is nice of people to do the experiments to save us all time, thanks.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4529	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:50:00 - [45] - Quote It looks like the changes are live on the server. I have reports of people generating officer suits from the lab. I almost wonder if a middle ground where the lab makes only experimental items would be better. (Leave officer weapons and suits to the EOM drops, boxes, etc.) I could see with crafting be able to turn experimental weapons into officer weapons though. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1505	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:55:00 - [46] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: It looks like the changes are live on the server. I have reports of people generating officer suits from the lab. I almost wonder if a middle ground where the lab makes only experimental items would be better. (Leave officer weapons and suits to the EOM drops, boxes, etc.) I could see with crafting be able to turn experimental weapons into officer weapons though. Can confirm lab is fixed. Got an officer FP. Still would like a prompt saying what we get. But baby steps. Life's a numbers game. Good fuuuucking luck loading the dice in YOUR favor.
Skullmiser Vulcansu 284	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:00:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This was so that new players can use it as well. Not everyone has skills to level 1 specialization in weapons. Getting a guaranteed officer weapon every day, does seem quite OP. This was all explained in the original thread, as well as the lab that would allow you to convert a random officer weapon into a officer weapon you wanted. Does getting the laboratory take more time or less time than getting weapon specialization? If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4529	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:23:00 - [48] - Quote Yep, looks like ended up with an officer HMG (Alex flavor). Thinking this might be too good now..... Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
ZDub 303 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 3369	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:28:00 - [49] - Quote I thought it was supposed to make experimental weapons and not officer weapons? I would say generating officer weapons is a little too much, those should remain as rare drops from battles imo. With the pay to generate more weapons mechanics... is it too far into pay to win at this point? Are experimental weapons up on the market for AUR yet?
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1506	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:30:00 - [50] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Yep, looks like ended up with an officer HMG (Alex flavor). Thinking this might be too good now..... Id be okay with a spread of something line this. Lab I: 20%std 30%adv 30% pro 15% exp 5% officer Lab II: 15%std 30%adv 30% pro 20%exp 5% officer Lab III: 10/25/35/25/5 Lab IV: 5/20/35/30/10 Lab V: 0/10/40/35/15. Or something similar if we want to keep this RNGesus aspect Life's a numbers game. Good fuuuucking luck loading the dice in YOUR favor.

Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4529	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:35:00 - [51] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I thought it was supposed to make experimental weapons and not officer weapons? I would say generating officer weapons is a little too much, those should remain as rare drops from battles imo. With the pay to generate more weapons mechanics... is it too far into pay to win at this point? Are experimental weapons up on the market for AUR yet? Experimental weapons will only be available through the lab as far as I know. I'm wondering about the officer gear as well. Here is the current upgrade attributes for the lab: Level Bonus Per Day Capacity 0 1 2 1 2 4 2 3 6 3 4 8 4 5 10 5 6 12 Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 267	Posted - 2015.02.07 19:49:00 - [52] - Quote I'm level 2 I've made exp forge exp combat rifle and frames ck.o assault Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Azrael Aranis Ready to Play 21	Posted - 2015.02.07 21:05:00 - [53] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Experimental weapons will only be available through the lab as far as I know. I'm wondering about the officer gear as well. I got an experimental mass driver as EoM salvage the other day, so its not just from the lab. Don't suppose it will make much of a difference though. --- Have yet to unlock the lab myself, I don't mind spending a few bucks on this game every once in a while.. But I'm not spending anything on random stuff like opening boxes, or unlocking a module that may or may not spit out something I can use.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4537	Posted - 2015.02.07 22:29:00 - [54] - Quote Well, I can confirm that the lab makes officer suits. It made a Frame Ck0 suit today. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Adipem Nothi nos nothi 6499	Posted - 2015.02.07 23:54:00 - [55] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Yep, looks like ended up with an officer HMG (Alex flavor). Thinking this might be too good now..... What is the component cost to claim? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Petrified Ancient Tree Expert Intervention Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.02.08 00:36:00 - [56] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I'm kind of surprised. I don't have a PS3 anymore to check any of this out but I always got the impression that the warbarge was supposed to spit out 1 experimental weapon per day? A 2000 ISK standard AV grenade is just silly... Not entirely silly. Since you only spend aurum to accelerate the upgrade process (you don't have to spend any AUR if you side with patience) it would be very over the top for rare things to drop all the time.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4539	Posted - 2015.02.08 01:12:00 - [57] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Yep, looks like ended up with an officer HMG (Alex flavor). Thinking this might be too good now..... What is the component cost to claim? 198 components per item to claim. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16911	Posted - 2015.02.08 13:23:00 - [58] - Quote Azrael Aranis wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Experimental weapons will only be available through the lab as far as I know. I'm wondering about the officer gear as well. I got an experimental mass driver as EoM salvage the other day, so its not just from the lab. Don't suppose it will make much of a difference though. --- Have yet to unlock the lab myself, I don't mind spending a few bucks on this game every once in a while.. But I'm not spending anything on random stuff like opening boxes, or unlocking a module that may or may not spit out something I can use. That should not happen, will look into it. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

IREK Ladybox Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.02.08 15:53:00 - [59] - Quote poison Diego wrote: Are you serious, this is outrageous. Spent 50-60 dollars on 1 experimental weapon a month?!!!! FFS!!! They are not that OP and even if only 1 a day it would take a week to gather supplies for 1-3 pub matches. This is bullcrap and I should have stayed true to my word on not ever giving CCP one more dime. I was actually going to extend my subscription on EVE today but after hearing this **** Im probably biomassing... DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS,DISAPPOINTMENTS, Good, one less person to hear whining
Joe Macro Acme.Taco 22	Posted - 2015.02.08 17:22:00 - [60] - Quote I produced and received my first experimental weapon yesterday. But, since then I have supposedly produced 2 more, but I cant find them. For my first weapon yesterday, I claimed it, then checked inventory. It was a laser rifle and the description said "experimental....produced in the lab..." or something like that. THe other two I have not been able to find in my inventory. I keep a good track of my inventory so, Im fairly sure Im not over looking them.



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