DUST Search - Experimental Lab (Over 150 days to generate 1 Standard AV Nade)

Zaria Min Deir wrote:

Kain Spero wrote:

So I finally logged all of my weapon assets before claiming the production from my lab since it doesn't tell you what you get.

This test is after putting around 50,000 components into the Warbarge to get it to Level 5 with the lab at Level 2.

Cost to claim: 103 Components (309 AUR if you are short on components)

What was produced?: 1 Standard AV Nade

Yep, one standard nade after investing over 150 days worth of components if you were to generate it with just the barge's factory at lvl 2. This kind of outcome after this kind of investment is unacceptable. The RNG for the lab needs to go. At the very least the loot tables have to be dramatically improved.

This is CCP... were you actually expecting this thing to be anything but a disappointment?

Rattati has stated that leveling up the lab increases the metalevel of items produced. So, obviously, the first couple of levels will only produce militia and standard crap. So, bad design, yes, but hardly surprising. But, yeah... even disgarding the upgrade costs... 309 aur worth of components to claim a standard grenade? Yeaaaaaah... sounds about right. Roll

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Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4493	Posted - 2015.02.05 16:35:00 - [1] - Quote So I finally logged all of my weapon assets before claiming the production from my lab since it doesn't tell you what you get. This test is after putting around 50,000 components into the Warbarge to get it to Level 5 with the lab at Level 2. Cost to claim: 103 Components (309 AUR if you are short on components) What was produced?: *1 Standard AV Nade* Yep, one standard nade after investing over 150 days worth of components if you were to generate it with just the barge's factory at lvl 2. This kind of outcome after this kind of investment is unacceptable. The RNG for the lab needs to go. At the very least the loot tables have to be dramatically improved. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1148	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:02:00 - [2] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: So I finally logged all of my weapon assets before claiming the production from my lab since it doesn't tell you what you get. This test is after putting around 50,000 components into the Warbarge to get it to Level 5 with the lab at Level 2. Cost to claim: 103 Components (309 AUR if you are short on components) What was produced?: *1 Standard AV Nade* Yep, one standard nade after investing over 150 days worth of components if you were to generate it with just the barge's factory at lvl 2. This kind of outcome after this kind of investment is unacceptable. The RNG for the lab needs to go. At the very least the loot tables have to be dramatically improved. This is CCP... were you actually expecting this thing to be anything but a disappointment? Rattati has stated that leveling up the lab increases the metalevel of items produced. So, obviously, the first couple of levels will only produce militia and standard crap. So, bad design, yes, but hardly surprising. But, yeah... even disgarding the upgrade costs... 309 aur worth of components to claim a standard grenade? Yeaaaaaah... sounds about right. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
ZDub 303 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 3360	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:18:00 - [3] - Quote I'm kind of surprised. I don't have a PS3 anymore to check any of this out but I always got the impression that the warbarge was supposed to spit out 1 experimental weapon per day? A 2000 ISK standard AV grenade is just silly...
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6400	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:26:00 - [4] - Quote Hope this isn't intended behavior. Expected subsystem to produce 1 experimental weapon per day per level. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21734	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:40:00 - [5] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Hope this isn't intended behavior. Expected subsystem to produce 1 experimental weapon per day per level. Rattati has already stated item tier is dependent on subsystem tier. :Bittervetting intensifies:
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9469	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:40:00 - [6] - Quote What do you expect out of CCP? This is now cash cow 514 *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*
D3LTA Blitzkrieg II 0uter.Heaven 205	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:44:00 - [7] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: Kain Spero wrote: So I finally logged all of my weapon assets before claiming the production from my lab since it doesn't tell you what you get. This test is after putting around 50,000 components into the Warbarge to get it to Level 5 with the lab at Level 2. Cost to claim: 103 Components (309 AUR if you are short on components) What was produced?: *1 Standard AV Nade* Yep, one standard nade after investing over 150 days worth of components if you were to generate it with just the barge's factory at lvl 2. This kind of outcome after this kind of investment is unacceptable. The RNG for the lab needs to go. At the very least the loot tables have to be dramatically improved. This is CCP... were you actually expecting this thing to be anything but a disappointment? Rattati has stated that leveling up the lab increases the metalevel of items produced. So, obviously, the first couple of levels will only produce militia and standard crap. So, bad design, yes, but hardly surprising. But, yeah... even disgarding the upgrade costs... 309 aur worth of components to claim a standard grenade? Yeaaaaaah... sounds about right. Lmao I swear CCP is trolling ppl at this point. The fact you need to use components to claim your weapon only adds to the lol factor. And you cant control your own manufacturing? I can definitely see why this feature has so many people salty. >.<
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6012	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:54:00 - [8] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: So I finally logged all of my weapon assets before claiming the production from my lab since it doesn't tell you what you get. This test is after putting around 50,000 components into the Warbarge to get it to Level 5 with the lab at Level 2. Cost to claim: 103 Components (309 AUR if you are short on components) What was produced?: *1 Standard AV Nade* Yep, one standard nade after investing over 150 days worth of components if you were to generate it with just the barge's factory at lvl 2. This kind of outcome after this kind of investment is unacceptable. The RNG for the lab needs to go. At the very least the loot tables have to be dramatically improved. I just threw up in my mouth. I'm getting fed up. WTF are they thinking? I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6012	Posted - 2015.02.05 18:56:00 - [9] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Hope this isn't intended behavior. Expected subsystem to produce 1 experimental weapon per day per level. Supposedly this isn't until L4 and officer isn't until L5. With this type of investment it should provide at the very least proto level gear at L1 go up from there. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
psyanyde 69	Posted - 2015.02.05 19:02:00 - [10] - Quote Whelp, guess that's going in the 'I don't give a **** about this' drawer along with the LOLoyalty Rank

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6404	Posted - 2015.02.05 19:52:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Hope this isn't intended behavior. Expected subsystem to produce 1 experimental weapon per day per level. Rattati has already stated item tier is dependent on subsystem tier. Still seems off. An experimental lab should produce items not readily available from market vendors. Otherwise the lab's existence is not justified. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 858	Posted - 2015.02.05 21:34:00 - [12] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: So I finally logged all of my weapon assets before claiming the production from my lab since it doesn't tell you what you get. This test is after putting around 50,000 components into the Warbarge to get it to Level 5 with the lab at Level 2. Cost to claim: 103 Components (309 AUR if you are short on components) What was produced?: *1 Standard AV Nade* Yep, one standard nade after investing over 150 days worth of components if you were to generate it with just the barge's factory at lvl 2. This kind of outcome after this kind of investment is unacceptable. The RNG for the lab needs to go. At the very least the loot tables have to be dramatically improved. Yep. The lab is bullshit, even at level 5
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4507	Posted - 2015.02.05 21:36:00 - [13] - Quote I really wish the lab worked like a factory in Star Wars Commander (sci-fi clash of clans). I pick what I want to make and the higher tier it is the more time it takes. Instead of forcing people to use components to claim allow them to use components to speed up the manufacturing. A higher level lab makes it take less time to make an item and/or allow you to queue more than more item to be built. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 111	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:25:00 - [14] - Quote Waiting for response from CPM acknowledging this will be passed to CCP ears. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1518	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:13:00 - [15] - Quote The only purpose I see for the warbarge is to encourage daily log ins. Because, that's why.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 637	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:19:00 - [16] - Quote upgrade weapons factory. Get better gear. Chill out about the grenade. Remove component cost for claiming what you produce. That is a complete insult.
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2821	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:42:00 - [17] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: upgrade weapons factory. Get better gear. Chill out about the grenade. Remove component cost for claiming what you produce. That is a complete insult. My question is why is it RNG in the first place.......... click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 638	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:46:00 - [18] - Quote That I cannot comment on. But then again -- if player trading hits then RNG won't be such a bad thing.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16610	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:59:00 - [19] - Quote This was so that new players can use it as well. Not everyone has skills to level 1 specialization in weapons. Getting a guaranteed officer weapon every day, does seem quite OP. This was all explained in the original thread, as well as the lab that would allow you to convert a random officer weapon into a officer weapon you wanted. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4511	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:08:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This was so that new players can use it as well. Not everyone has skills to level 1 specialization in weapons. Getting a guaranteed officer weapon every day, does seem quite OP. This was all explained in the original thread, as well as the lab that would allow you to convert a random officer weapon into a officer weapon you wanted. Instead of RNG make the officer weapons cost more resources and time to make. Maybe an officer weapon takes X days to make etc. RNG is making me hate this game . Also, by the time someone can get to a lab with the time scale you have on the barge upgrades players will have some weapon up to proto. Getting a higher end weapon means that player can sell it and buy several standard items as well. With the sell back feature and the ability to send items to other players getting 1 standard weapon is a joke. I feel like I've wasted a lot of money at this point. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2102	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:15:00 - [21] - Quote I can understand the grievances about RNG, crafting systems should be relatively consistent rather than horrible whackamole. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
SponkSponkSponk WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1134	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:17:00 - [22] - Quote Well then, it shouldn't cost 103 components to claim a level 1 lab result then. More like 3 than 103. Dust/Eve transfers
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2935	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:21:00 - [23] - Quote What if... Producing weapons was like T2 BPCs in Eve (more or less) where you told it what you want and there was a chance for it to come out? To further balance, it could be programmed to "build proto Assault Rifles", and not only have a chance to build a proto rifle, but different variants as well, including officer gear (perhaps a small chance of a lower tier one as well). Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2102	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:23:00 - [24] - Quote Corrospondence with eve team on manufacturing more be gud. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16613	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:50:00 - [25] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Well then, it shouldn't cost 103 components to claim a level 1 lab result then. More like 3 than 103. I 100% agree, and it is a bug. The price was supposed to be something like 10 or 20 I believe. We would have fixed that in yesterdays fix if I had known. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6012	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:07:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: Well then, it shouldn't cost 103 components to claim a level 1 lab result then. More like 3 than 103. I 100% agree, and it is a bug. The price was supposed to be something like 10 or 20 I believe. We would have fixed that in yesterdays fix if I had known. Any chance you can provide an indicator of what we produced? I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8463	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:07:00 - [27] - Quote Think it'll be better when and if we have simple crafting. In which case the Experimental Lab can produce Weapon Components or something and then we select what power level of gear to craft with adjusted amounts based on meta level or something. Just an idea though. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16618	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:31:00 - [28] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Think it'll be better when and if we have simple crafting. In which case the Experimental Lab can produce Weapon Components or something and then we select what power level of gear to craft with adjusted amounts based on meta level or something. Just an idea though. We are on the same page here. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4515	Posted - 2015.02.06 04:39:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Think it'll be better when and if we have simple crafting. In which case the Experimental Lab can produce Weapon Components or something and then we select what power level of gear to craft with adjusted amounts based on meta level or something. I don't need or want a free ride on a RNG train. Just an idea though. We are on the same page here. I would much prefer something like this or the lab be where crafting occurs and the level of the lab somehow affects how efficiently you craft items. I want to determine what I make at the end of the day. I'm willing to have to provide resources equivalent to what I'm making. ADV Weapon(s) + X Resources + Y Time = Proto Proto Weapon(s) + X Resources + Y Time = Experimental Experimental Weapons(s) + X Resources + Y Time = Officer Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6041	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:03:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: This was so that new players can use it as well. Not everyone has skills to level 1 specialization in weapons. Getting a guaranteed officer weapon every day, does seem quite OP. This was all explained in the original thread, as well as the lab that would allow you to convert a random officer weapon into a officer weapon you wanted. Isn't this why we have boxes? Those boxes would be able to produce much more than one. Something that is mass-produced by corporations isn't experimental, either. Perhaps, a new warbarge module or whatever is needed to produce solely "new player stuff" as well as having the experimental lab. Also, let players be able to customize their warbarges in any way they'd like. This way, both the new players and the vets can profit from it.



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