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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:32:00 -
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Bored at work, need some entertaining discussion to make the next three hours pass.
Are you a Cardiac Regulator kinda guy(/girl) or a Kinetic Catalyzer kinda guy(/girl)? Explain your reasonings why.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:33:00 -
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Speed is always praised
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
1886
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:34:00 -
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Kincats.
Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:37:00 -
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Kincats.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:40:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Kincats.
Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja.
I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math.
Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge.
What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather.
IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges.
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Grease Spillett
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:43:00 -
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I think they should employ a hybrid of the two. Reduce percentages tho.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:43:00 -
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Cardiacs because gallente suits all have smoking problems and can only run for so long.
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
272
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:44:00 -
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Cardiac Regulators are relatively useless on Amarr and Min suits, they're more needed and more worthy of the slot sacrifice on gal/gal suits, but kincats are great for all, especially Min and Amarr. |
Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:45:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:I think they should employ a hybrid of the two. Reduce percentages tho.
Was actually thinking about this early. Cut the benefits of both down a notch and hybridize both.
Kin Cats giving an 8% increase to sprint speed instead of 10% but with an additional 25% stamina/stamina regen.
Cardiac Regulator giving a 75-80% increase to stamina/stamina regen with a 2.5% to sprint speed.
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TritusX
PH4NT0M5
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:45:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Cardiacs because gallente suits all have smoking problems and can only run for so long.
What if you had a Complex KinCat and Reg on a proto min scout with max biotics
you've got yourself a nova knifer who will chase you down and and never stop 
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
272
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:47:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:I think they should employ a hybrid of the two. Reduce percentages tho. Was actually thinking about this early. Cut the benefits of both down a notch and hybridize both. Kin Cats giving an 8% increase to sprint speed instead of 10% but with an additional 25% stamina/stamina regen. Cardiac Regulator giving a 75-80% increase to stamina/stamina regen with a 2.5% to sprint speed.
Would be perfect for gal/cal suits. |
All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
166
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:50:00 -
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:Cardiac Regulators are relatively useless on Amarr and Min suits, they're more needed and more worthy of the slot sacrifice on gal/gal suits, but kincats are great for all, especially Min and Amarr.
amarr benefit the least out of all the suits so we amarr tend to keep away from kincats.... it's not worth it for us
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:54:00 -
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TritusX wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Cardiacs because gallente suits all have smoking problems and can only run for so long. What if you had a Complex KinCat and Reg on a proto min scout with max biotics you've got yourself a nova knifer who will chase you down and and never stop
The stamina recharge rate on a Minja is so fast that if you had a 2nd KinCat instead of a Reg I think you would be better off.
If you find that you are running out of a juice a lot however, maybe reconsider that Reg. At the very least they are less resource intensive than KinCats.
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
272
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:56:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:Cardiac Regulators are relatively useless on Amarr and Min suits, they're more needed and more worthy of the slot sacrifice on gal/gal suits, but kincats are great for all, especially Min and Amarr. amarr benefit the least out of all the suits so we amarr tend to keep away from kincats.... it's not worth it for us
No Amarr have a great stamina pool to compliment it, amarr benefit more than cal/gal. |
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:56:00 -
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Can't wait for the new Myofibs with included black hops
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
1886
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:04:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Kincats.
Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. Snip
I know. That's why I said FOR THE MINJA.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8191
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:09:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Kincats.
Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. Snip I know. That's why I said FOR THE MINJA.
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Kincats.
Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math.
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Forced Death
Corrosive Synergy
7
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:14:00 -
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Ok. What I want to do in the new warlords update is stack myrofobils, save one extender, and on the other side put a KinCat and damp (though these days you don't need a damp unless there is a galogi so it's better off just using that slot for something else) then run Knives and a Flaylock/ CR. Love that super high jump and speed while I knife or blow you up |
Funkmaster Whale
Whale Pod
2804
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:15:00 -
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Cardiac Regs all the way cause I jump too much.
I'm addicted to dat spacebar key.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:17:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Cardiac Regs all the way cause I jump too much.
I'm addicted to dat spacebar key.
NB4 KB/M hatebomb
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
167
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:19:00 -
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:All Gucci wrote:Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:Cardiac Regulators are relatively useless on Amarr and Min suits, they're more needed and more worthy of the slot sacrifice on gal/gal suits, but kincats are great for all, especially Min and Amarr. amarr benefit the least out of all the suits so we amarr tend to keep away from kincats.... it's not worth it for us No Amarr have a great stamina pool to compliment it, amarr benefit more than cal/gal.
Not worth it, for the same pg cost we can just put a complex rep .... reactives with kincats still dont benefit us because just a 2% movement speed reduction will stop an amarr assault from jumping over a railing 
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:22:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:All Gucci wrote:Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:Cardiac Regulators are relatively useless on Amarr and Min suits, they're more needed and more worthy of the slot sacrifice on gal/gal suits, but kincats are great for all, especially Min and Amarr. amarr benefit the least out of all the suits so we amarr tend to keep away from kincats.... it's not worth it for us No Amarr have a great stamina pool to compliment it, amarr benefit more than cal/gal. Not worth it, for the same pg cost we can just put a complex rep .... reactives with kincats still dont benefit us because just a 2% movement speed reduction will stop an amarr assault from jumping over a railing
But soon you will be able to put Myrofibrals in the highs and be able to increase your jump height =3
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Joel II X
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:22:00 -
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Kincats. Because I like Speed.
I use both on my Amarr Scout, however. Run fo' days. |
Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
273
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:27:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:All Gucci wrote:Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:Cardiac Regulators are relatively useless on Amarr and Min suits, they're more needed and more worthy of the slot sacrifice on gal/gal suits, but kincats are great for all, especially Min and Amarr. amarr benefit the least out of all the suits so we amarr tend to keep away from kincats.... it's not worth it for us No Amarr have a great stamina pool to compliment it, amarr benefit more than cal/gal. Not worth it, for the same pg cost we can just put a complex rep .... reactives with kincats still dont benefit us because just a 2% movement speed reduction will stop an amarr assault from jumping over a railing
Mr. Pubstar, that is your opinion, I don't know why I bother explaining sometimes, there are a lot of amarr assault slayers that run dual kincat amarr assaults because the know to use it, not everyone relies on pure HP mods. And I am not only talking about the amarr assault but i know you are, always. |
Binx Klepto
Molon Labe.
21
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:28:00 -
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You have to ask yourself do I stay behind cover and let my shield recharge or do I run away so my enemy can't attack me. When you run your enemy as just as much time as you do to repair any damage taken. I use both but it depends on the weapon I'm using.
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Funkmaster Whale
Whale Pod
2804
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:35:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Cardiac Regs all the way cause I jump too much.
I'm addicted to dat spacebar key. NB4 KB/M hatebomb
The hate would make sense if KB/M (specifically mouse) actually worked properly in this game. 
Mouse aiming is still utter shite and anyone who says otherwise is just ignorant.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:46:00 -
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Kinetic Catalyzers when I'm running no more than one plate and Cardiac Regulators when I'm running two or more plates.
At less than two plates having a cardiac regulator isn't justifiable unless you are running a heavy suit. If you have two or more regular plates than having a Kinetic Catalyzer really isn't going to make enough of a difference since you will run out of stamina long before the Catalyzer makes a difference to your performance.
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
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Posted - 2015.02.01 22:03:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Bored at work, need some entertaining discussion to make the next three hours pass.
Are you a Cardiac Regulator kinda guy(/girl) or a Kinetic Catalyzer kinda guy(/girl)? Explain your reasonings why.
BOTH. Unless I am wearing minmatar suits... no need for the cardiac... if i stop for a second to scan, then my stamina is full.. sometimes i think it is overpowered... but then i remember that minmatars are paper-thin and it's an okay trade-off.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8195
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Posted - 2015.02.01 22:18:00 -
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ROMULUS H3X wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Bored at work, need some entertaining discussion to make the next three hours pass.
Are you a Cardiac Regulator kinda guy(/girl) or a Kinetic Catalyzer kinda guy(/girl)? Explain your reasonings why. BOTH. Unless I am wearing minmatar suits... no need for the cardiac... if i stop for a second to scan, then my stamina is full.. sometimes i think it is overpowered... but then i remember that minmatars are paper-thin and it's an okay trade-off.
Not really. I get as much tank out of my Min Assault as I do my Gal Assault.
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All Gucci
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General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.01 22:40:00 -
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:All Gucci wrote:Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:All Gucci wrote:Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:Cardiac Regulators are relatively useless on Amarr and Min suits, they're more needed and more worthy of the slot sacrifice on gal/gal suits, but kincats are great for all, especially Min and Amarr. amarr benefit the least out of all the suits so we amarr tend to keep away from kincats.... it's not worth it for us No Amarr have a great stamina pool to compliment it, amarr benefit more than cal/gal. Not worth it, for the same pg cost we can just put a complex rep .... reactives with kincats still dont benefit us because just a 2% movement speed reduction will stop an amarr assault from jumping over a railing Mr. Pubstar, that is your opinion, I don't know why I bother explaining sometimes, there are a lot of amarr assault slayers that run dual kincat amarr assaults because they know how to use it, not everyone relies on pure HP mods. And I am not only talking about the amarr assault but i know you are, always.
I have yet to see a fast amarr assault.... maybe they die too quick to be noticed lol Dual kincat amarr is laughable even borderline foolish. But IMO 
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
273
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Posted - 2015.02.01 22:45:00 -
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All Gucci
I have yet to see a fast amarr assault.... maybe they die too quick to be noticed lol Dual kincat amarr is laughable even borderline foolish. But IMO [;) wrote:
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Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:04:00 -
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:07:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:I have yet to see a fast amarr assault.... maybe they die too quick to be noticed lol Dual kincat amarr is laughable even borderline foolish. But IMO
Wait a second...
You refuse to use kincat on amarr and then complain they are slow...
That is foolish.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
604
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:20:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Kincats.
Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges.
Yes, but when he runs out of stamina, he shoots you in the back at the now closer range... |
Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8198
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:32:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Kincats.
Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges. Yes, but when he runs out of stamina, he shoots you in the back at the now closer range...
Which is cool, if he's within range of his weaponry and can keep a steady aim at a target running dead sprint. 18.5 seconds is a long time to gain 28m.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:33:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Cardiac Regs all the way cause I jump too much.
I'm addicted to dat spacebar key.
You'll only be able to jump 3 times since it's % based...
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Chit Hoppened
The Exemplars
RISE of LEGION
407
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:38:00 -
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Two of one, one of the other.
Generally Double Reds with a Single Green (if slots permit) allows for good Sprint Speeds and Distances.
It's also nice having a (super gimped) 737 eHP MinAssault running around at nearly 11m/sec, but that's not here or there.
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Kierkegaard Soren
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:50:00 -
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Minmatar get the most out of Kincats given how fast thst stamina regens, but for everyone else I'll take a cardiac any day. I do a lot of running in most games, either because I'm chasing tanks or ratting out snipers in the hills, so distance over sprint for me.
Just out of interest though, how much are myrofibs increasing jump height by?
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Dreis Shadowweaver
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General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.02 00:01:00 -
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Kierkegaard Soren wrote:Minmatar get the most out of Kincats given how fast thst stamina regens, but for everyone else I'll take a cardiac any day. I do a lot of running in most games, either because I'm chasing tanks or ratting out snipers in the hills, so distance over sprint for me.
Just out of interest though, how much are myrofibs increasing jump height by?
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Kierkegaard Soren
Corrosive Synergy
675
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Posted - 2015.02.02 00:03:00 -
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Sick.
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castba
Rogue Instincts
731
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Posted - 2015.02.02 00:05:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Cardiac Regs all the way cause I jump too much.
I'm addicted to dat spacebar key.
Doesn't jumping use a percentage of your stamina as opposed to a fixed value?
I can see how the recharge would be beneficial.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
606
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Posted - 2015.02.02 00:11:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Imp Smash wrote:
Yes, but when he runs out of stamina, he shoots you in the back at the now closer range...
Which is cool, if he's within range of his weaponry and can keep a steady aim at a target running dead sprint. 18.5 seconds is a long time to gain 28m.
I don't know. I use kin kats sometimes. I run an Am Assault and a Min Assault on this profile.
The Min Ass (sometimes) has kin kats, and it helps a lot. I tried cardiac regulators and while it was cool to run a lot, I felt that with my built in Min stam regen I could run plenty. I generally dash from cover to cover anyway, so I've yet to be in the situation where I think, "Damn, I wish I had more stamina to keep running..."
My Am Assault has built in stamina, and I tried card regs there too. I could run literally forever. But then again, i never felt the need to. I switched it out for a complex armor rep and got better results.
So, from my limited personal experience I can honestly say there are times when I (wish I had / am glad I have) a kin kat. Not yet with the cardiac regulator....
Although, come to think of it, I might try a CardReg on my MinSent. THAT might be a good look...
Regardless, I see your point about how the green bottle could be better than the red sometimes....time to evolve the meta? |
Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8201
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Posted - 2015.02.02 01:38:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Cardiac Regs all the way cause I jump too much.
I'm addicted to dat spacebar key. You'll only be able to jump 3 times since it's % based...
But you'll also recover stamina quicker so that you can sprint out of danger.
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ROMULUS H3X
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Posted - 2015.02.02 07:11:00 -
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Sadly enough, the question is always "Cardiac Regulators or Kinetic Kats?"
Never ["Cardios, Kinkats, or Myofibers?"]
In before "They are on the highs, those are on the lows..."
The real question is why doesn't the third and often forgotten stimulant change any aspect of your movement?
If surely Myofibers can make you punch stronger, would it not make your kick's off the floor (Jumping) even higher?
I know Rattatti knows what I am talking about, hope he hasn't pushed that idea to the back of the filing cabinet, although I completely understand there are much more pressing issues being dealt with.
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Posted - 2015.02.02 07:27:00 -
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Honestly I have always found kin-cats much more preferable to cardiac regs. My reasoning for this is not only does speed get you to a location faster (as opposed to a slower yet more sustainable speed with card-regs) but also that extra speed translates to great options during combat and as well as for quick escapes.
TLDR Speed burst is more versatile than sustainable slower speeds imho.
I find as long as I manage my stamina I am rarely caught out without any. I just feel card-regs do not offer enough.
Also a preference thing I guess. On top of that, jumping still depletes stamina much too fast even with regs. (By the way I speak from the perspective of a primarily speed stacked Gallente scout)
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
14816
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Posted - 2015.02.02 07:37:00 -
[46] - Quote
Dual kin cats.
Stamina ain't gonna do me much good if I'm dead.
Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan!
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
14816
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Posted - 2015.02.02 07:39:00 -
[47] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Kincats.
Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges.
That only works for long distances.
When you apply that to CQC combat, where Gallente Assaults are supposed to thrive, that simply stops to work in your favor nearly as much.
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Deacon Obvious
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
59
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Posted - 2015.02.02 08:00:00 -
[48] - Quote
I regularly fit Complex Cardiac Regulators to my Gallente Logi and Commando suits. It helps me keep up with a squad in Skirmish matches. |
iKILLu osborne
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
634
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Posted - 2015.02.02 10:26:00 -
[49] - Quote
2 kincats max, then ferroscales, cardiac regs only help you cross long distances they ain't gonna help you get to cover
if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one
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Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
1516
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Posted - 2015.02.02 11:08:00 -
[50] - Quote
I've got the need for speed
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8227
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Posted - 2015.02.02 12:47:00 -
[51] - Quote
Cat Merc wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Kincats.
Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges. That only works for long distances. When you apply that to CQC combat, where Gallente Assaults are supposed to thrive, that simply stops to work in your favor nearly as much.
Lol, I love the italics. Because you know I'm going to bring up Heavies. Which is why I use the Cardiac Regulator to begin with considering that I'm already faster than them and having that much more stamina is going to put me WELL out of harm's way. No more of this "HMG killed you from 40-50m away" non-sense x3
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Founder of AIV
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
14818
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Posted - 2015.02.02 12:48:00 -
[52] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Kincats.
Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges. That only works for long distances. When you apply that to CQC combat, where Gallente Assaults are supposed to thrive, that simply stops to work in your favor nearly as much. Lol, I love the italics. Because you know I'm going to bring up Heavies. Which is why I use the Cardiac Regulator to begin with considering that I'm already faster than them and having that much more stamina is going to put me WELL out of harm's way. No more of this "HMG killed you from 40-50m away" non-sense x3
Eh, dual kin cats saved me from the wrath of the HMG many times.
Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan!
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Breakin Stuff
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
6928
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Posted - 2015.02.02 12:51:00 -
[53] - Quote
Cardiac Regulators on my sentinels. Specifically the minsent.
No one expects the minsent.
AV
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8227
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Posted - 2015.02.02 12:53:00 -
[54] - Quote
Cat Merc wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Kincats.
Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges. That only works for long distances. When you apply that to CQC combat, where Gallente Assaults are supposed to thrive, that simply stops to work in your favor nearly as much. Lol, I love the italics. Because you know I'm going to bring up Heavies. Which is why I use the Cardiac Regulator to begin with considering that I'm already faster than them and having that much more stamina is going to put me WELL out of harm's way. No more of this "HMG killed you from 40-50m away" non-sense x3 Eh, dual kin cats saved me from the wrath of the HMG many times.
-Shrug- Guess it's personal preference then. I still have issues with the HMG on my Min Assault so speed isn't the issue for me. I like to stay around cover where I have to run a lot of twists and turns.
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Founder of AIV
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Jebus McKing
Nos Nothi
1375
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:02:00 -
[55] - Quote
As I'm virtually only using Minmatar suits I prefer kincats. All my fittings have at least one kincat.
Minnie scout? 2x kincats!
Minnie assault? 3x kincats + NKs!
Minnie logi? 3x kincats + shotgun!
Minnie sentinel? 2x kincats! YOU CANNOT RUN AWAY FROM MY HMG YOU FILTHY SLOW ASS AMARRIANS!
Jebus still hates scans.
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D3LTA Blitzkrieg II
0uter.Heaven
199
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:10:00 -
[56] - Quote
Cardiac reg for cal scout. Ambush is a running simulator sometimes. Need to keep up with the spawn trapping 
In competitive CQC settings i would pick kinkats hands down tho. So i guess its a situational thing
>.<
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
14818
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:32:00 -
[57] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:
-Shrug- Guess it's personal preference then. I still have issues with the HMG on my Min Assault so speed isn't the issue for me. I like to stay around cover where I have to run a lot of twists and turns.
I just never let my stamina be below a certain threshold before engaging in combat.
I have a mental note of how much stamina I have at any moment, and if it's too low, I wait before I engage.
This way if there is an unpleasant surprise, I can GTFO with my speed.
Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan!
Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!
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Mex-0
569
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:34:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Cardiac Regs all the way cause I jump too much.
I'm addicted to dat spacebar key. NB4 KB/M hatebomb
KB/M scrub! Go back to PC where everyone can hip wiggle like you! 
BWAH
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Regnier Feros
Pielords
316
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:39:00 -
[59] - Quote
Cardiac Regulators, It helps me when i'm going back & forth between outside points in skirm.
"You're like a she-male.. hates gym, doesn't know how to be alpha.. you'll stay in the friendzone for life" -Senpai
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
336
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:46:00 -
[60] - Quote
Cardiac regulators. Helps the amarr's already abundant stamina reserves
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
627
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Posted - 2015.04.21 17:48:00 -
[61] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Bored at work, need some entertaining discussion to make the next three hours pass.
Are you a Cardiac Regulator kinda guy(/girl) or a Kinetic Catalyzer kinda guy(/girl)? Explain your reasonings why.
Kinetic Catalyzer every time on minmitar suits, assaults can benefit alot from them as well. Cardiacs are generally not worth it imo. |
CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
3395
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Posted - 2015.04.21 17:59:00 -
[62] - Quote
Kin Cat.
I can go faster and use my own ability to manage my stamina.
I recently tried some cardiac regs and they are better than I expected but are not quite up to par with kincats. I could be wrong but I think they do allow more jumps / melee hits with more card regs....? Is that correct?
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Scheneighnay McBob
And the ButtPirates
6142
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Posted - 2015.04.21 17:59:00 -
[63] - Quote
Go with cardiac regs.
Kins are next to worthless because they do barely anything for their massive fitting cost.
Some details can be ignored
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reydient
ROGUE RELICS
106
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Posted - 2015.04.21 18:04:00 -
[64] - Quote
I find that kincats are great overall . Most of my heavies need the cardiac regs just because I find that running longer distance as a heavy is far more beneficial than running faster. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
6341
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Posted - 2015.04.21 18:58:00 -
[65] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Bored at work, need some entertaining discussion to make the next three hours pass.
Are you a Cardiac Regulator kinda guy(/girl) or a Kinetic Catalyzer kinda guy(/girl)? Explain your reasonings why.
I usually pick a suit with good stamina and put Kin Cats on it.
But that Caldari Sentinel needs a Cardiac Regulator or he will have a hart attack before he makes it to the terminal. 
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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2Berries
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
803
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Posted - 2015.04.21 18:59:00 -
[66] - Quote
Both, if possible. If not, kincat! Although it really does depend on the fitting. My gal scout sniper runs both. Adv cal scout runs kincats. AV cal scout get cardio regs, helps recharge the myofibs so i can AV nade dropships over & over & over.
But more often than not, speed is my thing.
Evening Boys, Hows the water?
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Kierkegaard Soren
Eridani Light Horse Battalion
777
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Posted - 2015.04.21 19:01:00 -
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I run an enhanced cardiac on my minja and it just can't. Stop. Running.
And cardiac is a must on my Galmando. Can't get anywhere without it.
Dedicated Commando.
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
Rise Of Legion.
355
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Posted - 2015.04.21 19:33:00 -
[68] - Quote
Lol.
Shield regulator. :-P
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GeorgeN76
Senshi Slayers
29
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Posted - 2015.04.21 19:34:00 -
[69] - Quote
Put 3 kitkats and 3 myofibs on a min scout....lol
Scouts and Swarms
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
3316
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:03:00 -
[70] - Quote
Rail Rifle.
The rest of this game is mere esoteric.
As of April 9, 2015, we have about 330 days of DUST 514 left. Enjoy them!
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