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Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 273	Posted - 2015.02.01 22:45:00 - [31] - Quote All Gucci I have yet to see a fast amarr assault.... maybe they die too quick to be noticed lol Dual kincat amarr is laughable even borderline foolish. But IMO [;) wrote: VikingCheech iBun. Dia Farron, among others - not foolish. You should try it. if you don't like it, k sorry.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3939	Posted - 2015.02.01 23:04:00 - [32] - Quote Kitkat Swaglords 1.0 [smiley face] Minmatar omni-merc
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3939	Posted - 2015.02.01 23:07:00 - [33] - Quote All Gucci wrote: I have yet to see a fast amarr assault.... maybe they die too quick to be noticed lol Dual kincat amarr is laughable even borderline foolish. But IMO Wait a second... You refuse to use kincat on amarr and then complain they are slow... That is foolish. Swaglords 1.0 [smiley face] Minmatar omni-merc
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 604	Posted - 2015.02.01 23:20:00 - [34] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Kincats. Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges. Yes, but when he runs out of stamina, he shoots you in the back at the now closer range...
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8198	Posted - 2015.02.01 23:32:00 - [35] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Kincats. Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges. Yes, but when he runs out of stamina, he shoots you in the back at the now closer range... Which is cool, if he's within range of his weaponry and can keep a steady aim at a target running dead sprint. 18.5 seconds is a long time to gain 28m. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5198	Posted - 2015.02.01 23:33:00 - [36] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Cardiac Regs all the way cause I jump too much. I'm addicted to dat spacebar key. You'll only be able to jump 3 times since it's % based... (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Chit Hoppened The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 407	Posted - 2015.02.01 23:38:00 - [37] - Quote Two of one, one of the other. Generally Double Reds with a Single Green (if slots permit) allows for good Sprint Speeds and Distances. It's also nice having a (super gimped) 737 eHP MinAssault running around at nearly 11m/sec, but that's not here or there. Bringing Heavy Metal to New Eden. Cannon Fever Representative
Kierkegaard Soren Corrosive Synergy 674	Posted - 2015.02.01 23:50:00 - [38] - Quote Minmatar get the most out of Kincats given how fast thst stamina regens, but for everyone else I'll take a cardiac any day. I do a lot of running in most games, either because I'm chasing tanks or ratting out snipers in the hills, so distance over sprint for me. Just out of interest though, how much are myrofibs increasing jump height by? Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1889	Posted - 2015.02.02 00:01:00 - [39] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Minmatar get the most out of Kincats given how fast thst stamina regens, but for everyone else I'll take a cardiac any day. I do a lot of running in most games, either because I'm chasing tanks or ratting out snipers in the hills, so distance over sprint for me. Just out of interest though, how much are myrofibs increasing jump height by? >9000% Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 You got gud - DAAAA BEAST
Kierkegaard Soren Corrosive Synergy 675	Posted - 2015.02.02 00:03:00 - [40] - Quote Sick. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."

castba Rogue Instincts 731	Posted - 2015.02.02 00:05:00 - [41] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Cardiac Regs all the way cause I jump too much. I'm addicted to dat spacebar key. Doesn't jumping use a percentage of your stamina as opposed to a fixed value? I can see how the recharge would be beneficial. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2015.02.02 00:11:00 - [42] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Imp Smash wrote: Yes, but when he runs out of stamina, he shoots you in the back at the now closer range... Which is cool, if he's within range of his weaponry and can keep a steady aim at a target running dead sprint. 18.5 seconds is a long time to gain 28m. I don't know. I use kin kats sometimes. I run an Am Assault and a Min Assault on this profile. The Min Ass (sometimes) has kin kats, and it helps a lot. I tried cardiac regulators and while it was cool to run a lot, I felt that with my built in Min stam regen I could run plenty. I generally dash from cover to cover anyway, so I've yet to be in the situation where I think, "Damn, I wish I had more stamina to keep running..." My Am Assault has built in stamina, and I tried card regs there too. I could run literally forever. But then again, i never felt the need to. I switched it out for a complex armor rep and got better results. So, from my limited personal experience I can honestly say there are times when I (wish I had / am glad I have) a kin kat. Not yet with the cardiac regulator.... Although, come to think of it, I might try a CardReg on my MinSent. THAT might be a good look... Regardless, I see your point about how the green bottle could be better than the red sometimes....time to evolve the meta?
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8201	Posted - 2015.02.02 01:38:00 - [43] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Cardiac Regs all the way cause I jump too much. I'm addicted to dat spacebar key. You'll only be able to jump 3 times since it's % based... But you'll also recover stamina quicker so that you can sprint out of danger. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
ROMULUS H3X research lab 300	Posted - 2015.02.02 07:11:00 - [44] - Quote Sadly enough, the question is always "Cardiac Regulators or Kinetic Kats?" Never ["Cardios, Kinkats, or Myofibers?"] In before "They are on the highs, those are on the lows..." The real question is why doesn't the third and often forgotten stimulant change any aspect of your movement? If surely Myofibers can make you punch stronger, would it not make your kick's off the floor (Jumping) even higher? I know Rattatti knows what I am talking about, hope he hasn't pushed that idea to the back of the filing cabinet, although I completely understand there are much more pressing issues being dealt with. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 3092	Posted - 2015.02.02 07:27:00 - [45] - Quote Honestly I have always found kin-cats much more preferable to cardiac regs. My reasoning for this is not only does speed get you to a location faster (as opposed to a slower yet more sustainable speed with card-regs) but also that extra speed translates to great options during combat and as well as for quick escapes. TLDR Speed burst is more versatile than sustainable slower speeds imho. I find as long as I manage my stamina I am rarely caught out without any. I just feel card-regs do not offer enough. Also a preference thing I guess. On top of that, jumping still depletes stamina much too fast even with regs. (By the way I speak from the perspective of a primarily speed stacked Gallente scout) Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14816	Posted - 2015.02.02 07:37:00 - [46] - Quote Dual kin cats. Stamina ain't gonna do me much good if I'm dead. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14816	Posted - 2015.02.02 07:39:00 - [47] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Kincats. Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges. That only works for long distances. When you apply that to CQC combat, where Gallente Assaults are supposed to thrive, that simply stops to work in your favor nearly as much. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Deacon Obvious Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 59	Posted - 2015.02.02 08:00:00 - [48] - Quote I regularly fit Complex Cardiac Regulators to my Gallente Logi and Commando suits. It helps me keep up with a squad in Skirmish matches.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game RUST415 634	Posted - 2015.02.02 10:26:00 - [49] - Quote 2 kincats max, then ferroscales, cardiac regs only help you cross long distances they ain't gonna help you get to cover if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 1516	Posted - 2015.02.02 11:08:00 - [50] - Quote I've got the need for speed Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.

Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8227	Posted - 2015.02.02 12:47:00 - [51] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Kincats. Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges. That only works for long distances. When you apply that to CQC combat, where Gallente Assaults are supposed to thrive, that simply stops to work in your favor nearly as much. Lol, I love the italics. Because you know I'm going to bring up Heavies. Which is why I use the Cardiac Regulator to begin with considering that I'm already faster than them and having that much more stamina is going to put me WELL out of harm's way. No more of this "HMG killed you from 40-50m away" non-sense x3 Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14818	Posted - 2015.02.02 12:48:00 - [52] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Kincats. Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges. That only works for long distances. When you apply that to CQC combat, where Gallente Assaults are supposed to thrive, that simply stops to work in your favor nearly as much. Lol, I love the italics. Because you know I'm going to bring up Heavies. Which is why I use the Cardiac Regulator to begin with considering that I'm already faster than them and having that much more stamina is going to put me WELL out of harm's way. No more of this "HMG killed you from 40-50m away" non-sense x3 Eh, dual kin cats saved me from the wrath of the HMG many times. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6928	Posted - 2015.02.02 12:51:00 - [53] - Quote Cardiac Regulators on my sentinels. Specifically the minsent. No one expects the minsent. AV
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8227	Posted - 2015.02.02 12:53:00 - [54] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Kincats. Apparently they give a better advantage in every circumstance for the minja. I tend to disagree. Maybe for the MinScout, sure, but there's a lot to consider for anyone else. For instance, here's some math. Cat Merc likes to use Kinetic Catalyzers, I'm more of a Cardiac Regulator kind of person. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Cat Merc and I were both using a Gallente Assault with nothing on it but our respective biotics. This gives him a 12.6% increase to sprint speed and I get a 110% increase to my max stamina and stamina recharge. What this means is that he's able to move a grand total of 0.93m/s faster than myself, which helps in the whole of 18.5s that base stamina allows... But if we imagination a situation in which he's chasing me, and we're 100m apart, by the end of that 18.5s he'll only be 28m closer by the time he runs out of stamina. Meanwhile I've still got more than half of my stamina left, continuing to sprint ahead and increasing the gap while he's struggling for a breather. IMO, Kinetic Catalyzers are great for running down slow targets and closing short gaps but the Cardiac Regulator is where it's at if you're wanting to not only outlast your pursuer but leave him in the dust by incredible ranges. That only works for long distances. When you apply that to CQC combat, where Gallente Assaults are supposed to thrive, that simply stops to work in your favor nearly as much. Lol, I love the italics. Because you know I'm going to bring up Heavies. Which is why I use the Cardiac Regulator to begin with considering that I'm already faster than them and having that much more stamina is going to put me WELL out of harm's way. No more of this "HMG killed you from 40-50m away" non-sense x3 Eh, dual kin cats saved me from the wrath of the HMG many times. -Shrug- Guess it's personal preference then. I still have issues with the HMG on my Min Assault so speed isn't the issue for me. I like to stay around cover where I have to run a lot of twists and turns. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Jebus McKing Nos Nothi 1375	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:02:00 - [55] - Quote As I'm virtually only using Minmatar suits I prefer kincats. All my fittings have at least one kincat. Minnie scout? 2x kincats! Minnie assault? 3x kincats + NKs! Minnie logi? 3x kincats + shotgun! Minnie sentinel? 2x kincats! YOU CANNOT RUN AWAY FROM MY HMG YOU FILTHY SLOW ASS AMARRIANS! Jebus still hates scans.
D3LTA Blitzkrieg II 0uter.Heaven 199	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:10:00 - [56] - Quote Cardiac reg for cal scout. Ambush is a running simulator sometimes. Need to keep up with the spawn trapping In competitive CQC settings i would pick kinkats hands down tho. So i guess its a situational thing >.<
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14818	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:32:00 - [57] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: -Shrug- Guess it's personal preference then. I still have issues with the HMG on my Min Assault so speed isn't the issue for me. I like to stay around cover where I have to run a lot of twists and turns. I just never let my stamina be below a certain threshold before engaging in combat. I have a mental note of how much stamina I have at any moment, and if it's too low, I wait before I engage. This way if there is an unpleasant surprise, I can GTFO with my speed. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Mex-0 569	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:34:00 - [58] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Cardiac Regs all the way cause I jump too much. I'm addicted to dat spacebar key. NB4 KB/M hatebomb KB/M scrub! Go back to PC where everyone can hip wiggle like you! BWAH
Regnier Feros Pielords 316	Posted - 2015.04.21 15:39:00 - [59] - Quote Cardiac Regulators, It helps me when i'm going back & forth between outside points in skirm. "You're like a she-male.. hates gym, doesn't know how to be alpha.. you'll stay in the friendzone for life" -Senpai
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 336	Posted - 2015.04.21 15:46:00 - [60] - Quote Cardiac regulators. Helps the amarr's already abundant stamina reserves Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works



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