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Kaze Eyrou wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

DeathwindRising wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Dear Players,

we have heard your pleas for more ISK per battle, and here is one simple way, as proposed by the CPM. There is also a more radical idea from SirManBoy, that has you claiming the items you kill. That is considerably more difficult, so consider this Phase 1.

we will be adding more Salvage and increasing the chances of drops, considerably. We feel that this is a different, more entertaining way of getting ISK and items, rather than just plain old ISK. Eventually, it may pave the way for crafting components, MMO style. For us to be able to dynamically change loot tables without patching the client, we had do some foundation development work which is well under way.

The "ISK" Salvage will be in the form of new types of scrap that can be sold directly for ISK. We are also adding a few items, as well as the new Officer Dropsuits, and Officer Sidearms. More on that later.

We are also taking a look at ISK payouts, which will be in its own Feedback thread.

Awe... Second :(

Will "isk" salvage be useless besides selling, or will we be able to build stuff with it too?

It's meant to be vendored. Maybe melted to Nanites when we cross that bridge.

Would it also be possible to sell the Strongboxes for a cheap price? I'd also like to melt those things down for Nanites.

Would be more useful than playing the RNG lottery and finding out there was only standard level gear in them... Ugh

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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 14608	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:20:00 - [1] - Quote Dear Players, we have heard your pleas for more ISK per battle, and here is one simple way, as proposed by the CPM. There is also a more radical idea from SirManBoy, that has you claiming the items you kill. That is considerably more difficult, so consider this Phase 1. we will be adding more Salvage and increasing the chances of drops, considerably. We feel that this is a different, more entertaining way of getting ISK and items, rather than just plain old ISK. Eventually, it may pave the way for crafting components, MMO style. For us to be able to dynamically change loot tables without patching the client, we had do some foundation development work which is well under way. The "ISK" Salvage will be in the form of new types of scrap that can be sold directly for ISK. We are also adding a few items, as well as the new Officer Dropsuits, and Officer Sidearms. More on that later. We are also taking a look at ISK payouts, which will be in its own Feedback thread. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1869	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:36:00 - [2] - Quote I had a thought about the strongboxes, where it gave you a 'multiple choice' selection based on your skills (it determines what 'level' of payout it provides first, then checks your skills and offers you say 3 choices based on that). Is that even possible? I think many people would prefer it to the current random payouts where they can get things that are outright useless to them. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 784	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:36:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear Players, we have heard your pleas for more ISK per battle, and here is one simple way, as proposed by the CPM. There is also a more radical idea from SirManBoy, that has you claiming the items you kill. That is considerably more difficult, so consider this Phase 1. we will be adding more Salvage and increasing the chances of drops, considerably. We feel that this is a different, more entertaining way of getting ISK and items, rather than just plain old ISK. Eventually, it may pave the way for crafting components, MMO style. For us to be able to dynamically change loot tables without patching the client, we had do some foundation development work which is well under way. The "ISK" Salvage will be in the form of new types of scrap that can be sold directly for ISK. We are also adding a few items, as well as the new Officer Dropsuits, and Officer Sidearms. More on that later. We are also taking a look at ISK payouts, which will be in its own Feedback thread. Awe... Second :( Will "isk" salvage be useless besides selling, or will we be able to build stuff with it too?

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 14611	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:42:00 - [4] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I had a thought about the strongboxes, where it gave you a 'multiple choice' selection based on your skills (it determines what 'level' of payout it provides first, then checks your skills and offers you say 3 choices based on that). Is that even possible? I think many people would prefer it to the current random payouts where they can get things that are outright useless to them. We want to polish the feature at some point, but my preferred method is to have at least one release between a new feature and the polish, so that it is properly experienced. Unless there are exploits or unintended behaviour. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 14611	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:42:00 - [5] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear Players, we have heard your pleas for more ISK per battle, and here is one simple way, as proposed by the CPM. There is also a more radical idea from SirManBoy, that has you claiming the items you kill. That is considerably more difficult, so consider this Phase 1. we will be adding more Salvage and increasing the chances of drops, considerably. We feel that this is a different, more entertaining way of getting ISK and items, rather than just plain old ISK. Eventually, it may pave the way for crafting components, MMO style. For us to be able to dynamically change loot tables without patching the client, we had do some foundation development work which is well under way. The "ISK" Salvage will be in the form of new types of scrap that can be sold directly for ISK. We are also adding a few items, as well as the new Officer Dropsuits, and Officer Sidearms. More on that later. We are also taking a look at ISK payouts, which will be in its own Feedback thread. Awe... Second :( Will "isk" salvage be useless besides selling, or will we be able to build stuff with it too? It's meant to be vendored. Maybe melted to Nanites when we cross that bridge. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1142	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:48:00 - [6] - Quote reserved Please support fair play!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10733	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:53:00 - [7] - Quote Reserved. <----Eve Online Industrialist On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11912	Posted - 2015.01.13 09:39:00 - [8] - Quote Strongbox idea, different key types. Some keys can be bought with ISK, but have a poorer chance of rewarding good items. Some can be bought with LP that unlock items specifically made by that race. And regular AUR keys. Perhaps different tiers of AUR keys where the higher tier keys have better chances of giving officer gear. I would especially like to see the LP keys that unlock racial items from boxes. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Kain Spero Internal Error. 4173	Posted - 2015.01.13 09:43:00 - [9] - Quote Increased salvage sounds great, but will there be an easier way to sell the salvage? Right now converting items you get from salvage is a time consuming process. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Syeven Reed T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1161	Posted - 2015.01.13 09:52:00 - [10] - Quote Will how much you contribute in battle affect the drop rate? For example more WP get more salvage or something? A big problem for me is that I don't believe proto should really be used in a pub match, you can use it but you will have to expect to go ISK negative. It doesn't seem to fix the proto stompers ability to keep proto stomping. SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED EvE - 21 Day Trial

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10735	Posted - 2015.01.13 10:06:00 - [11] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Increased salvage sounds great, but will there be an easier way to sell the salvage? Right now converting items you get from salvage is a time consuming process. Perhaps. But that would likely require a complete UI overhaul. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14431	Posted - 2015.01.13 11:20:00 - [12] - Quote Oh god, increased salvage rates. Inb4 200 strongboxes per match, every match. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14431	Posted - 2015.01.13 11:22:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear Players, we have heard your pleas for more ISK per battle, and here is one simple way, as proposed by the CPM. There is also a more radical idea from SirManBoy, that has you claiming the items you kill. That is considerably more difficult, so consider this Phase 1. we will be adding more Salvage and increasing the chances of drops, considerably. We feel that this is a different, more entertaining way of getting ISK and items, rather than just plain old ISK. Eventually, it may pave the way for crafting components, MMO style. For us to be able to dynamically change loot tables without patching the client, we had do some foundation development work which is well under way. The "ISK" Salvage will be in the form of new types of scrap that can be sold directly for ISK. We are also adding a few items, as well as the new Officer Dropsuits, and Officer Sidearms. More on that later. We are also taking a look at ISK payouts, which will be in its own Feedback thread. Awe... Second :( Will "isk" salvage be useless besides selling, or will we be able to build stuff with it too? It's meant to be vendored. Maybe melted to Nanites when we cross that bridge. Then what's the point of having it? The only reason it would exist instead of just straight up giving us the ISK is to give Jara more reasons to exist. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 572	Posted - 2015.01.13 13:12:00 - [14] - Quote You had me at "more" Bring it on, when do we get the first iteration of all these? February? March? GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1682	Posted - 2015.01.13 13:47:00 - [15] - Quote Nice! +1 for the Man Child
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 585	Posted - 2015.01.13 13:55:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Oh god, increased salvage rates. Inb4 200 strongboxes per match, every match. Why don't they just abolish the strong boxes and make it exclusively about keys? Mechanically, there's no difference.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 539	Posted - 2015.01.13 14:08:00 - [17] - Quote More salvage is great Less strong boxes please I am actually intrigued that the loot table seems to reside on the client and not the server.
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6375	Posted - 2015.01.13 15:35:00 - [18] - Quote Cannot argue with this premise. Goodpost detected. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4360	Posted - 2015.01.13 16:03:00 - [19] - Quote If Scrap is ultimately intended to be used as a industry building material, you have my support. Otherwise if its only purpose is to be sold and never anything else, then it's the same as more ISK + an extra step to actually get it, which is more obnoxious than interesting. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Lac Nokomis Palliative 34	Posted - 2015.01.13 16:41:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear Players, we have heard your pleas for more ISK per battle, and here is one simple way, as proposed by the CPM. There is also a more radical idea from SirManBoy, that has you claiming the items you kill. That is considerably more difficult, so consider this Phase 1. we will be adding more Salvage and increasing the chances of drops, considerably. We feel that this is a different, more entertaining way of getting ISK and items, rather than just plain old ISK. Eventually, it may pave the way for crafting components, MMO style. For us to be able to dynamically change loot tables without patching the client, we had do some foundation development work which is well under way. The "ISK" Salvage will be in the form of new types of scrap that can be sold directly for ISK. We are also adding a few items, as well as the new Officer Dropsuits, and Officer Sidearms. More on that later. We are also taking a look at ISK payouts, which will be in its own Feedback thread. Awe... Second :( Will "isk" salvage be useless besides selling, or will we be able to build stuff with it too? It's meant to be vendored. Maybe melted to Nanites when we cross that bridge. Then what's the point of having it? The only reason it would exist instead of just straight up giving us the ISK is to give Jara more reasons to exist. To allow further development into crafting. It's probably a system they could adjust on the fly to allow different "salvage" rates that can be sold for isk or used to forge different things. Isk vs potential product decisions could be fun.

Alex-ZX Valor Coalition Red Whines. 163	Posted - 2015.01.13 16:50:00 - [21] - Quote I'm happy if u increase the officer rate instead of 1:10000000000 ( funny number) at something like 1:50 just because they are almost impossible to find. Talking about the isk payout, wouldn't it better if u just increase the payout like 20%+ and see how the ppl feels the change? Keep up the good work. Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG Luis' modified VC-107 CR Alex's modified VC-107 SMG *Owner of this beasts*
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2015.01.13 17:13:00 - [22] - Quote Interesting, I always wondered why I basically get nothing or just crap. It would be awesome in my opinion if destroyed stuff leaves some sort of salvage which can be used to recycle/reproduce said stuff. Say you destroy 10-15 HAV and you get enough scraps to build a new one or a LAV. Perhaps even be able to build special new vehicles out of "mixed" materials. Take this as the starting point. One thing to note, it might be nice to get certain salvage out of the teams pool depending on your playstyle. A player who mainly logis is more likely to gain logi scraps. If it's only to sell.... please just make jama kumora increase isk payout instead.
Nomed Deeps 432	Posted - 2015.01.13 17:20:00 - [23] - Quote I actually have no complaint about the current ISK payout. The current ISK payout makes you evaluate your expenses. That is why my fits all have prices in description. Also, I like how some try to protostomp but end up switching back to adv/basic after getting killed a couple times. I think there is such a cry for an increase in ISK payout due to a lot of players used to having plenty of ISK to protostomp via passive ISK generation in PC. Since that has been removed, they have to rely on their actual means to protostomp which ends in them being broke. If ISK payout is to be increased, please do it ever so slightly or DUST's premise of resource management will be broken. Plus, if you increase it too much, there will be no reason for anyone to play PC. If you're going to increase ISK payout, make it in PC instead of pubs. As for salvage, this does need some correction. I have 400+ strongboxes but I know players with 1000+. This should be corrected by making strongboxes harder to get containing better gear. Pub salvage could be more like FW salvage but FW would then even be less of a focus by most players. I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2015.01.13 17:33:00 - [24] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: Pub salvage could be more like FW salvage but FW would then even be less of a focus by most players. FW is the only place to acquire faction gear and apex suits. (Aside from aur)
Nomed Deeps 432	Posted - 2015.01.13 17:51:00 - [25] - Quote Quote: FW is the only place to acquire faction gear and apex suits. I was talking about salvage (as the title indicates); not the market. I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 247	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:51:00 - [26] - Quote @rattati... Is there ever the possibility of salvaging being an actual gameplay option rather than a reward mechanic? Done correctly it could be a great personal/corp conflict driver? Previous suggestions involve the ability to return to a battlefield once combat has concluded to scour the site for phat lewt (as ccp Z once put it i believe). Have the server spawn a session of the map following the battle with things that can be scanned down and retieved. Would be a ffa or squad ffa type of mode. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2794	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:06:00 - [27] - Quote Hyped Level: So Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Kaze Eyrou DUST University Ivy League 1724	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:54:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear Players, we have heard your pleas for more ISK per battle, and here is one simple way, as proposed by the CPM. There is also a more radical idea from SirManBoy, that has you claiming the items you kill. That is considerably more difficult, so consider this Phase 1. we will be adding more Salvage and increasing the chances of drops, considerably. We feel that this is a different, more entertaining way of getting ISK and items, rather than just plain old ISK. Eventually, it may pave the way for crafting components, MMO style. For us to be able to dynamically change loot tables without patching the client, we had do some foundation development work which is well under way. The "ISK" Salvage will be in the form of new types of scrap that can be sold directly for ISK. We are also adding a few items, as well as the new Officer Dropsuits, and Officer Sidearms. More on that later. We are also taking a look at ISK payouts, which will be in its own Feedback thread. Awe... Second :( Will "isk" salvage be useless besides selling, or will we be able to build stuff with it too? It's meant to be vendored. Maybe melted to Nanites when we cross that bridge. Would it also be possible to sell the Strongboxes for a cheap price? I'd also like to melt those things down for Nanites. Would be more useful than playing the RNG lottery and finding out there was only standard level gear in them... CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou Kaze's Helpful Links
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1356	Posted - 2015.01.13 21:02:00 - [29] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear Players, we have heard your pleas for more ISK per battle, and here is one simple way, as proposed by the CPM. There is also a more radical idea from SirManBoy, that has you claiming the items you kill. That is considerably more difficult, so consider this Phase 1. we will be adding more Salvage and increasing the chances of drops, considerably. We feel that this is a different, more entertaining way of getting ISK and items, rather than just plain old ISK. Eventually, it may pave the way for crafting components, MMO style. For us to be able to dynamically change loot tables without patching the client, we had do some foundation development work which is well under way. The "ISK" Salvage will be in the form of new types of scrap that can be sold directly for ISK. We are also adding a few items, as well as the new Officer Dropsuits, and Officer Sidearms. More on that later. We are also taking a look at ISK payouts, which will be in its own Feedback thread. Awe... Second :( Will "isk" salvage be useless besides selling, or will we be able to build stuff with it too? It's meant to be vendored. Maybe melted to Nanites when we cross that bridge. Would it also be possible to sell the Strongboxes for a cheap price? I'd also like to melt those things down for Nanites. Would be more useful than playing the RNG lottery and finding out there was only standard level gear in them... Glancing over my numbers: rolling about a 35% aggregate chance on std stuff.... would be lower...much lower if i separated gear+suits from pre-fits. Why are all of you so intellectually inept?
iKILLu osborne True Vengeance. 586	Posted - 2015.01.13 21:59:00 - [30] - Quote love the premise of the idea, but it will be a headache if its anything like selling assets so please don't categorise it just list it all in one category with a "sell all". on a second note i would like to see it correlate with the personal warbarge maybe as a "currency" or "materials" to upgrade it. if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one



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