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Skyline Lonewolf
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.01.12 12:11:00 -
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http://imgur.com/a/23RFo Just a sample of what I was capable of pulling with a SR pre-1.8 Uprising, even after being gone for over half a year before logging back on in Sept for a day, and some post 1.8. I don't know where my other screenshots are since it's been so long.
Pre-1.8: We had 600m of ground to cover at the farthest distance, somewhere around 200m+ for closer kills. All red-line snipers (even headglitching ones) were able to be killed, along with infantry that dropped into their ground spawn/from their MCC's. Manus Peak was the dream sniper destination, both to hunt and rack up a high kill count, and to be hunted. On most non-assault maps, everything I could render that moved was sniped, or was shot, then killed with follow-up shot(s). Head shots on the jumping ones were the best. Sitting ducks and strafing targets on high ground would die back-to-back, 5 or more in a row. Exceptional games for me were 40+ kills, great games were 30+ kills (my avg), good games were 20+, and decent ones were <20. This was without a Thales. The technique of being able to drag-scope and head shot or follow up shots on targets was the most invaluable skill I had to finish them with. There's no aim assist with sniping, that's why it's so beneficial. Each person has their own preferences, but I prefer higher x-axis sensitivity/moderate y-axis sensitivity for tracking targets and slightly lower sensitivity during ADS to fine-tune and line up my shots. I always combed the field, in and out of my scope till I saw red, which is why FoV was so wide and my sense of awareness on point.
Post-1.8: You can't cover as much ground, and also, for the trade-off of headshot damage, there's still the same perches as before. I don't know what I miss more, the range or having 5 in a clip. I did notice that CCP added a few new sockets on old maps (such as the bridge map), however, so you can get closer to the action, but that's about it. There's always a guy that calls in a DS though just to hunt you down and stop your killing spree; that's not new though. I see targets on the map but my gun doesn't have the range to pick them off, so they keep running uninterrupted.
The head shot multiplier makes it so specking into the weapon isn't rewarded. What I miss is actually having sniper challenges where there was back and forth trading of sniper fire. You had to outwit the enemy, fallback, heal up and take them out, or relocate and take them out. The better sniper obviously won most of the time in either scenario. Now, it's instakill or two-shot. No challenge there.
The hit detection for sniping is worse than before. You can't seem to lead shots as well when the cross-hair goes over the enemy's head and should be red. I've wasted ammo shooting at times shooting at an invulnerable target. Miss the old one, as most do.
Aside from that, it was hilarious to kill targets in moving or stationary vehicles, killing the driver, then the gunner right afterward. Headshotting the gunner in a moving DS or blowing up a tank with a SR were by-far the funniest moments I had with this game. That's when I actually played and enjoyed playing.
If you still actively snipe in this game, then hats off to you. My only hope is that CCP or the CPM read over our last discussion on the Charged SR and take into consideration the community's suggested compromises and address it in a hotfix or something. The top two elite snipers don't even snipe anymore, better yet play this game. Yes we tried the other variants, but they don't fit our playstyles. Till then, I'm hoping for changes overall to this game that make it more accessible and playable to a larger player base.
On a side note: Over a year and two months ago, I joined Ancient Exiles knowing that some of the most famed snipers of this game were in this corp. I quickly learned that they'd all retired from it to move on to other roles, or just weren't as good as they were at sniping as they were in Chrome. Everything got buffed while the gun remained the same or was nerfed indirectly. I even sniped with some of them in a squad on the same maps. The only one that I've met that had/has comparable skill to me in AE, and in this game/Uprising in terms of sniping, was none other than Symbioticforks. I've never squaded up with him but I've seen his videos. He's pretty good. Having the chance to name an Officer SR was well earned. I had to work every weekend so I couldn't afford to take days off and no-life to compete against him for 4 days in a row, but he knows that lol. I only play this game nowadays when I'm at my friends place on his PS3 from time to time, but it's not the same. I stopped playing when my PS3 started speeding my gameplay up every match over summer. My only regrets is not having recorded any of my highest kill games and most intense encounters on video, and not competing in the Expert Challenge to get the chance to name the Officer SR. I retired with the corp, but still check back to DUST from time to time though to see the updates.
I see you coming from a mile away. 18 KDR. Twittter: SkylineExplicit
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5451
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Posted - 2015.01.12 12:13:00 -
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For a second there, I thought this was going to be another Symb post.
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Skyline Lonewolf
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.01.12 12:18:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:For a second there, I thought this was going to be another Symb post.
I'm too tired to read all this without rest.
Somewhat is lol. We were in the same corp and used the same SR variant.
I see you coming from a mile away. 18 KDR. Twittter: SkylineExplicit
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.01.12 12:25:00 -
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There are other rifles aside from the charged.
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
5035
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Posted - 2015.01.12 12:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are other rifles aside from the charged.
The kill feed says otherwise.
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Skyline Lonewolf
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.01.12 12:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are other rifles aside from the charged.
obviously. so you're just gonna let one gun stay nerfed into the ground because there's other variants? ones that got tactical buffs in comparisson. well look at it this way. there's multiple assault rifles, yet you guys don't hesitate to balance and re-balance those. i can name a few for you: combat rifle, scrambler rifle, rail rifle, duvolle AR. not everyone is gonna flock to just one gun or one variant of that gun unless it's FOTM. the Charged is and has not been FOTM ever since the other variants got buffed. If it's not being used at all, then there's good reason: it's underperforming.
I see you coming from a mile away. 18 KDR. Twittter: SkylineExplicit
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Kodho
Hidden Suppression
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:05:00 -
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Your argument would carry more weight if you didn't brag about your abilities so much. Yes, we understand you are good at sniping. Once you established that, there was no need to keep going on about it.
Long Live the Scout!
Kodho
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Skyline Lonewolf
Ancient Exiles.
78
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:11:00 -
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Kodho wrote:Your argument would carry more weight if you didn't brag about your abilities so much. Yes, we understand you are good at sniping. Once you established that, there was no need to keep going on about it.
I get that. not intentionally bragging. this was more of a reflective post on personal experience. like i said, i don't really play this game anymore.
I see you coming from a mile away. 18 KDR. Twittter: SkylineExplicit
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1672
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:19:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are other rifles aside from the charged.
IKR but they don't understand that , they wanna talk about Thale users but the Charged is " easy mode " as well .
Takes no skill to go 20 to 30 / 0 with a weapon like such but that makes them " professional " in their eyes .
- " Look mom , I did good with an overpowering weapon that makes it just that much easier to kill . "
It's like using a IAFG or a Six Kin Burst HMG or a Pro Assault Rifle ( take your pick which race and what kind ) and acting like you got gun game because you do good in matches with those weapons .
Duh , their the best weapons and that doesn't necessarily mean that you possess a " gun game " ... hell that's what's suppose to happen when you use top material .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Kodho
Hidden Suppression
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:20:00 -
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I understand. No doubt sniping needs a buff. I've been sniping sine I started playng this game (almost 2 years). I used to average around 15 kills per game. Now I only average a round 7. I have never liked the charge. My favorite was the Kaalakiota. I liked the high rate of fire at the expense of damage. Now, that benefit is useless because of the range nerf. In my opinion none of the proto sniper rifles are worth using. Use a C27-N, better cpu and pg usage for only -10 damage. I will continue to snipe because I will not let the nerfs stop me. One day they will get it right.
Long Live the Scout!
Kodho
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1672
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:24:00 -
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Skyline Lonewolf wrote: If it's not being used at all, then there's good reason: it's underperforming. and even when it's being used, it's still underperforming.
Or it could be that , people want a challenge and when they use such a weapon ( that produces none ) they feel cheap and use a lesser weapon to produce more of a challenge , or it could bet that seeing that weapon in the kill feed , doesn't provide such a satisfaction for those previous users so they decide to not use it as much .
Doesn't mean it's underpowered more then it could be overpowered .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Skyline Lonewolf
Ancient Exiles.
78
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:30:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are other rifles aside from the charged.
IKR but they don't understand that , they wanna talk about Thale users but the Charged is " easy mode " as well . Takes no skill to go 20 to 30 / 0 with a weapon like such but that makes them " professional " in their eyes . - " Look mom , I did good with an overpowering weapon that makes it just that much easier to kill . " It's like using a IAFG or a Six Kin Burst HMG or a Pro Assault Rifle ( take your pick which race and what kind ) and acting like you got gun game because you do good in matches with those weapons . Duh , their the best weapons and that doesn't necessarily mean that you possess a " gun game " ... hell that's what's suppose to happen when you use top material .
Except the charged has its drawbacks of having to wait for the charge before releasing the shot, while tracking your targets. It's the least point and click SR of the 3 since you can't literally point and click it. That's what makes it a skill weapon. Even before, it wasn't a OHK weapon unless you were shooting MLT suits without brick-tanked HP. Some people actually preferred the others. Like the Calmando, the Charged was kinda shoe-horned since suits were getting buffed but SR dmg was left alone for so long since it does the most dmg.
I see you coming from a mile away. 18 KDR. Twittter: SkylineExplicit
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1672
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:34:00 -
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I understand all of that , I have mine SR tree maxed , reload and extra in the clips ... the CSR is such a gimmick gun it's ridiculous , not saying SYM is a bad sniper , we all know that's not true but no wonder that's the weapon that was used to win the officer event or pull up some of Nod Keras ( or however it's spelled ... forgive my misspelling ) and see , they all use mostly charged .
It's easy mode when one round insta-kills most on the map .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1672
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:36:00 -
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I just never liked that gun , but I can see why most do .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Orber Gen
Academy Inferno
E-R-A
281
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:45:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are other rifles aside from the charged.
"Let's nerf SR that requires skill to use... Yay - let's nerf whole SR thing..." (C) Some CCP dudes 
And now We have that sniping is gone  Because there is no reason to fear snipers. Damn hit detection + 3 round in Charge = lol. Oh an u shoot to 250m, what the hell? is this future? Sniper RAILGUN shooting to 250m...  Now days SRs shooting 1km+  |
Skyline Lonewolf
Ancient Exiles.
78
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:46:00 -
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Kodho wrote:I understand. No doubt sniping needs a buff. I've been sniping sine I started playng this game (almost 2 years). I used to average around 15 kills per game. Now I only average a round 7. I have never liked the charge. My favorite was the Kaalakiota. I liked the high rate of fire at the expense of damage. Now, that benefit is useless because of the range nerf. In my opinion none of the proto sniper rifles are worth using. Use a C27-N, better cpu and pg usage for only -10 damage. I will continue to snipe because I will not let the nerfs stop me. One day they will get it right.
I met you when you were sniping in a scout suit a long time ago Kodho. before the shoehorned calmando, my favorite suit to use was the gallente logi for sniping cause of the 3 dmg mods, 3 equipment slots to alternate hives, and armor tank without the loss of mobility. you could still jump over stuff unlike with the calmando lol. if you're still active, props to you man. i couldn't handle sniping and having the killcount halved. at least for me, it'd just make me feel like assault players want us to feel, like im not contributing since our WP come mostly from kills.
I see you coming from a mile away. 18 KDR. Twittter: SkylineExplicit
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1672
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:49:00 -
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Orber , you forgot how the target marker in the sights get lost in translation because it blends in so well with EVERYTHING else on the map and isn't distinguished enough to stand out .
Hit detection is just a problem that plagues this game and most weapons in it but that's no excuse and all the more reason for cause of attention .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Skyline Lonewolf
Ancient Exiles.
78
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:57:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I understand all of that , I have my SR tree maxed , reload and extra in the clips ... the CSR is such a gimmick gun it's ridiculous , not saying SYM is a bad sniper , we all know that's not true but no wonder that's the weapon that was used to win the officer event or pull up some of Nod Keras ( or however it's spelled ... forgive my misspelling ) and see , they all use mostly charged .
It's easy mode when one round insta-kills most on the map .
if it's so easy mode and such a gimmick, tell you what. I'll log on, we can squad up, and I'll just sit there and watch the killfeed and see how you do with it.
I see you coming from a mile away. 18 KDR. Twittter: SkylineExplicit
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1754
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Posted - 2015.01.12 15:01:00 -
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Orber Gen wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are other rifles aside from the charged. "Let's nerf SR that requires skill to use... Yay - let's nerf whole SR thing..." (C) Some CCP dudes And now We have that sniping is gone Because there is no reason to fear snipers. Damn hit detection + 3 round in Charge = lol. Oh an u shoot to 250m, what the hell? is this future? Sniper RAILGUN shooting to 250m... Now days SRs shooting 1km+
beyond 250m suit sensors have enough time to detect and react upon the incoming projectile thus redirects the energy to the point of impact.  |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1672
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Posted - 2015.01.12 15:02:00 -
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Skyline Lonewolf wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I understand all of that , I have my SR tree maxed , reload and extra in the clips ... the CSR is such a gimmick gun it's ridiculous , not saying SYM is a bad sniper , we all know that's not true but no wonder that's the weapon that was used to win the officer event or pull up some of Nod Keras ( or however it's spelled ... forgive my misspelling ) and see , they all use mostly charged .
It's easy mode when one round insta-kills most on the map . if it's so easy mode and such a gimmick, tell you what. I'll log on, we can squad up, and I'll just sit there and watch the killfeed and see how you do with it.
No thanks , doesn't mean that your right but I just snipe when the situation calls for it now , I play commando mostly now .
I don't do e-pen measurements either so your challenge doesn't effect me , if anything it turns me off more .
Just have my SR rifle ready for when the situation dictates .
You know as well as anyone if your a sniper that there are more charged kills then anything else .
Most of the top snipers use it and it's not because , " it's a challenge " so you could preach to another choir .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Kodho
Hidden Suppression
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Posted - 2015.01.12 15:05:00 -
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Skyline Lonewolf wrote:Kodho wrote:I understand. No doubt sniping needs a buff. I've been sniping sine I started playng this game (almost 2 years). I used to average around 15 kills per game. Now I only average a round 7. I have never liked the charge. My favorite was the Kaalakiota. I liked the high rate of fire at the expense of damage. Now, that benefit is useless because of the range nerf. In my opinion none of the proto sniper rifles are worth using. Use a C27-N, better cpu and pg usage for only -10 damage. I will continue to snipe because I will not let the nerfs stop me. One day they will get it right. I met you when you were sniping in a scout suit a long time ago Kodho. before the shoehorned calmando, my favorite suit to use was the gallente logi for sniping cause of the 3 dmg mods, 3 equipment slots to alternate hives, and armor tank without the loss of mobility. you could still jump over stuff unlike with the calmando lol. if you're still active, props to you man. i couldn't handle sniping and having the killcount halved. at least for me, it'd just make me feel like assault players want us to feel, like im not contributing since our WP come mostly from kills.
I'm still sniping in a scout suit most of the time. However, because of the bandwidth issue I have had to move to a mini logi suit.
Long Live the Scout!
Kodho
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Skyline Lonewolf
Ancient Exiles.
79
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Posted - 2015.01.12 15:11:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Skyline Lonewolf wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I understand all of that , I have my SR tree maxed , reload and extra in the clips ... the CSR is such a gimmick gun it's ridiculous , not saying SYM is a bad sniper , we all know that's not true but no wonder that's the weapon that was used to win the officer event or pull up some of Nod Keras ( or however it's spelled ... forgive my misspelling ) and see , they all use mostly charged .
It's easy mode when one round insta-kills most on the map . if it's so easy mode and such a gimmick, tell you what. I'll log on, we can squad up, and I'll just sit there and watch the killfeed and see how you do with it. No thanks , doesn't mean that your right but I just snipe when the situation calls for it now , I play commando mostly now . I don't do e-pen measurements either so your challenge doesn't effect me , if anything it turns me off more . Just have my SR rifle ready for when the situation dictates . You know as well as anyone if your a sniper that there are more charged kills then anything else . Most of the top snipers use it and it's not because , " it's a challenge " so you could preach to another choir .
lol but I thought it was a skillless weapon? if it's not a challenge, then anyone should be able to pick it up and use it and do well with it. this isn't an epeen contest. if it truly is as you say it is, then i want to see you use it. simple as that. don't be like IWS and make baseless claims.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1672
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Posted - 2015.01.12 15:13:00 -
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Skyline Lonewolf wrote: Exceptional games for me were 40+ kills, great games were 30+ kills (my avg), good games were 20+, and decent ones were <20.
How many of those 30 or even 20 kill games have you had without using a Thale or Charged ???
You mentioned how you didn't use a Thale for any of those " good games " but using a Charged is better or less of an advantage / harder to do ???
How many of those games came from using a NT-511 ???
Or even a Kal or Ishi ????
Most snipers that fancy themselves " elite " , use charged and I'm sure you know that but admitting that is something else .
That in it's self should speak volumes .
Your taking this as a personal attack but it's so far from that .
Just stating facts , pull up some of the " elite " snipers in this game and tell me what their YouTube vids show them using .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1672
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Posted - 2015.01.12 15:18:00 -
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For the record , I have no problem with IWS ... I actually respect and like the guy ... do we agree about everything .?. no but he isn't bias from what I understand and he did me a fav with my efforts in the SP refund department so for that I'm thankful to him and I can't understand why some bash him but that's another story in it's self .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Skyline Lonewolf
Ancient Exiles.
79
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Posted - 2015.01.12 15:48:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Skyline Lonewolf wrote: Exceptional games for me were 40+ kills, great games were 30+ kills (my avg), good games were 20+, and decent ones were <20. How many of those 30 or even 20 kill games have you had without using a Thale or Charged ??? You mentioned how you didn't use a Thale for any of those " good games " but using a Charged is better or less of an advantage / harder to do ??? How many of those games came from using a NT-511 ??? Or even a Kal or Ishi ???? Most snipers that fancy themselves " elite " , use charged and I'm sure you know that but admitting that is something else . That in it's self should speak volumes . Your taking this as a personal attack but it's so far from that . Just stating facts , pull up some of the " elite " snipers in this game and tell me what their YouTube vids show them using .
im actually not taking it as a personal attack, but on the weapon itself. this was the same way that IWS tried to justify them nerfing the range/clip. cause think about it.. how many of those videos of the "elite" are pre-1.8? nearly all of them. because prior to 1.8 the other variants weren't up to par, and now they are for their roles and because of the headshot multiplier. but imagine if those buffs were in place before the range nerfs/changes, you would've seen a lot more variants on the killfeed with 20-30+ kill games, im sure of that. if you sniped and your shots just tickled your opponents as they strafed/cloaked and giggled away, you wouldn't be satisfied. hence the CSR + 3 dmg mods was used - the only thing that could compete outside a Thale's to take targets down adequately as the devs were neglecting the SR. when i began using the CSR, i absolutely hated it. it was a tough learning curve, but i was told, if you wanted to snipe, it's Charged or nothing. that was 1.5 years ago. people seem to think you can just pick it up and excel, but that's not the case.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1672
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Posted - 2015.01.12 16:01:00 -
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Like I said , I just don't like it and while your right about the mechanics of the gun ... the damage that is distributed well make up for the " skill " in managing the mechanics for the CSR .
It was just too easy for me .
Hence the reason for my dislike of the gun .
People cried and cried about Thales but a Thale was just a Charged with better sights and no charge and I would see people getting more kills with a charged then thale users , both to me are easy mode but that's just me I guess .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Tyjus Vacca
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
313
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:55:00 -
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Skyline Lonewolf wrote:
im actually not taking it as a personal attack, but on the weapon itself. this was the same way that IWS tried to justify them nerfing the range/clip. cause think about it.. how many of those videos of the "elite" are pre-1.8? nearly all of them. because prior to 1.8 the other variants weren't up to par, and now they are for their roles and because of the headshot multiplier. but imagine if those buffs were in place before the range nerfs/changes, you would've seen a lot more variants on the killfeed with 20-30+ kill games, im sure of that. if you sniped and your shots just tickled your opponents as they strafed/cloaked and giggled away, you wouldn't be satisfied. hence the CSR + 3 dmg mods was used - the only thing that could compete outside a Thale's to take targets down adequately as the devs were neglecting the SR. when i began using the CSR, i absolutely hated it. it was a tough learning curve, but i was told, if you wanted to snipe, it's Charged or nothing. that was 1.5 years ago. people seem to think you can just pick it up and excel, but that's not the case.
I agree with you that the range nerf was unnecessary but the clip nerf was needed. the charge had much higher sustained fire than the other variants it needed the nerf and the current clip size is fine( a dmg buff might put it a little more in line). The charge does not have a "tough learning curve", it just requires alot of skill points to get the best use out of it. Not knocking you, I mean you obviously are one of the "few good snipers" in this game and all of the sniper rifles in this game take a fair amount of skill to excel with but the, charge is by far the easiest sniper to use( not including the thales) it for the most part can OHK any lightly tanked suits without headshots thats why its the easiest sniper to use, you only need headshots or follow up shots on tanked enemies. the charge can output up to 550 dmg in one shot, thats a decently tanked proto scout. I honestly dont think that that the Charge should have the head-shot bonus it has... the charge is really more of a body-shot weapon I propose these sniper changes for the variants
Tactical: Head-shot Multiplier 250%
Range 400m
Base Proto Dmg Same
Reticule Change
Standard: Head-shot Multiplier 300%
Range 500m
Base Proto Dmg 275
Charge: Headshot Multiplier 250%
Range 600m
Base Proto Dmg 400
sniper changes !!? O_o
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Kodho
Hidden Suppression
133
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Posted - 2015.01.12 19:43:00 -
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Not bad. However, I'm not sure the charge should get the buff to range and damage. In my opinion that just makes the charge more the goto sniper rifle. I hate the charge! I don't mind using the Ish. But, if I'm giving up 100 yards in killing range I'll have to run it. I don't think that's fair.
Long Live the Scout!
Kodho
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Skyline Lonewolf
Ancient Exiles.
79
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Posted - 2015.01.12 21:02:00 -
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Tyjus Vacca wrote:Skyline Lonewolf wrote:
im actually not taking it as a personal attack, but on the weapon itself. this was the same way that IWS tried to justify them nerfing the range/clip. cause think about it.. how many of those videos of the "elite" are pre-1.8? nearly all of them. because prior to 1.8 the other variants weren't up to par, and now they are for their roles and because of the headshot multiplier. but imagine if those buffs were in place before the range nerfs/changes, you would've seen a lot more variants on the killfeed with 20-30+ kill games, im sure of that. if you sniped and your shots just tickled your opponents as they strafed/cloaked and giggled away, you wouldn't be satisfied. hence the CSR + 3 dmg mods was used - the only thing that could compete outside a Thale's to take targets down adequately as the devs were neglecting the SR. when i began using the CSR, i absolutely hated it. it was a tough learning curve, but i was told, if you wanted to snipe, it's Charged or nothing. that was 1.5 years ago. people seem to think you can just pick it up and excel, but that's not the case.
I agree with you that the range nerf was unnecessary but the clip nerf was needed. the charge had much higher sustained fire than the other variants it needed the nerf and the current clip size is fine( a dmg buff might put it a little more in line). The charge does not have a "tough learning curve", it just requires alot of skill points to get the best use out of it. Not knocking you, I mean you obviously are one of the "few good snipers" in this game and all of the sniper rifles in this game take a fair amount of skill to excel with but the, charge is by far the easiest sniper to use( not including the thales) it for the most part can OHK any lightly tanked suits without headshots thats why its the easiest sniper to use, you only need headshots or follow up shots on tanked enemies. the charge can output up to 550 dmg in one shot, thats a decently tanked proto scout. I honestly dont think that that the Charge should have the head-shot bonus it has... the charge is really more of a body-shot weapon I propose these sniper changes for the variants Tactical: Head-shot Multiplier 250% Range 400m Base Proto Dmg Same Reticule Change Standard: Head-shot Multiplier 300% Range 500m Base Proto Dmg 275 Charge: Headshot Multiplier 250% Range 600m Base Proto Dmg 400
I prefer it as a body shot weapon more than a head-shot/execution-style one as well. im not all for it being a head shots at close range weapon. i could agree that the reduced clip is bearable. more damage + slightly more range, and a decreased HS multiplier would be the best way to go about that, but watch out for tears.
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I'm sorry guys, Jose changes to the charge would be a nerf to the other sniper rifles. No thanks!
Long Live the Scout!
Kodho
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