Nobody asked to to play DUST 514. Also- I don't just come in and say "HerP DerP- I got killed by X-weapon remove because no game has the same weapon D3Rp H3RP"

That's not what I am saying at all.

I am suggesting that when a weapon like the missile launchers has the potential to dish out between 3000- 4000 DPS effectually nullifying one kind of vehicle type something is iffy.

Imagine if there were a Laser turret in this game that dealt 4500 damage per second to Shield HAV? Would that be fair? Probably not.

I know when it comes to tanks short TTK vs Multiple Damage Modded Shield Tanks (the only ones that can do this right now) is a complete turn off. It's not clever gameplay at all, you are not being cunning by using this kind of fit. You are simply doing something most of the time (Armour Tanked Damage Modding a Shield Tank) should not be possible.

I have did not start to notice how powerful it was until I was getting DPSed down by it in a Double Extender, Single Hardener fit which roughly should have a very high level of durability vs that kind of tank.

I have presented an argument in which I outline two main things. One is that the DPS of the Missile Turret is by comparison to the others much greater if you are willing to look at it vs Rails it is 3.5x that of any other turret.

This being the case when according to examples in EVE Missiles are not DPS weapons but instead alpha weapons firing in volleys, and even the smaller variants called rockets are in most cases no higher in terms of DPS than other turret types.

Secondly that it completely removes any semblance of competitiveness from one type of tank when it is arrayed against it with no equivalent counter to balance it out.

Perhaps instead of the idea to remove content from the game I might suggest an alteration to the content. Either way it is not something you would like to be quite frank. It would mean the Large Missile Launcher would have to be adjusted in such a manner is that other turrets become competitive with it.

If you think that missile Gunnlogis are unbeatable, you are mistaken. I've been beaten by Madrugars that have been cleverly fit with a fuel injector which makes them zip back and forth constantly and causing the majority of my missiles to miss. Railgun Gunnlogis beat missile Gunnlogis hands down, and is why my go-to fit for taking out a missile Gunnlogi (or any Gunnlogi regardless of turret type) is my Particle Cannon / extender / hardener / damage amp fit.

You want armor tanking removed or reduced on shield HAVs? That's fine by me. Only need to increase armor PG costs and buff armor vehicle PG resources accordingly. But I also want the chassis upgrades back so I can fit those instead of low tier armor mods.

Here is a better question... Who are you to tell CCP what to do? I don't see other games out there like Dust 514. If you want Battlefield tanks in Dust. How about you go play Battlefield of what ever the hell you wanna play.

Unfortunately the Madrugar actually rarely has more eHP than the Gunnlogi. When it comes to calculations, especially at higher levels your resistance values determined how powerful your eHP tank is rather than raw numbers.

Since the Maximum stacked armour on the current Madrugar is 5885 and you have 25% resistance on that you have roughly 7356 armour and 1200 shields.

Whereas on a Gunnlogi with its current statistics you can amass comparable eHP while advancing your natural resistances vs most AV forms due to lack of parity while additionally using one fitting module to stack armour for something like 7120 Shields and 2950 armour.

Honestly if Gunnlogi were adjusted so that they could not stack armour as well as shields they'd almost be balanced tanks especially if hardeners were brought to parity. Moreover if Rattati adjusts tanks and adds one more On Rack Slot (primary tanking slot for tanks) then their hardeners would have to be adjusted anyway.

You actually mentioned one thing I am really mystified by. Blasters, traditionally high DPS CQC weapons have the lowest DPS of all turrets while missiles, traditionally low DPS high alpha turrets have the most DPS.

if I can hit a scout with an assault forge body shot, you can figure out how to clip a scout with a rail turret

I sometimes try to take out a shield missile tank with an armor blaster tank for the lolz.

And also to see how good the pilot is.

Large rails has turned into a hard mode sniper rifle a little AOE is due.

I wonder how many kills rail turrets AOE have caused after the first nerf to come to the decision of completely eliminating splash damage.
With the lack of mobility of large rails a little AOE is needed, more to destroy equipments than to kill infantry.
If CCP care about people camping nodes from safe spots, they should protect nodes with barrages like they did on manus peak map, not eliminate a vital feature of a turret.

Ccp have you ever tried hitting a cal scout with Proto swarms with a railgun? Impossible! At least with splash it would make it somewhat ' easy' even a 25% splash! That's only around 250 dmg! With the slow rof it would not be op at all!

Large rails has turned into a hard mode sniper rifle a little AOE is due.

I wonder how many kills rail turrets AOE have caused after the first nerf to come to the decision of completely eliminating splash damage.
With the lack of mobility of large rails a little AOE is needed, more to destroy equipments than to kill infantry.
If CCP care about people camping nodes from safe spots, they should protect nodes with barrages like they did on manus peak map, not eliminate a vital feature of a turret.

I definitely agree on having some splash for eliminating equipment. How can equipment survive a hypersonic slug impacting the ground just millimeters away from it? If CCP is so concerned about splash damage wrecking infantry, at least give rails a 1 meter splash radius.

I have been killed in one volly by a Proto missile tank when I had one hardener and around 4.3k shield?! Also I have been gunned down by it when I was running an infantry fit, but yet a massive tank railgun gets a slow speed with the accuracy of a rabbit trying to snipe can't have any splash? Mind blown

I definitely agree on having some splash for eliminating equipment. How can equipment survive a hypersonic slug impacting the ground just millimeters away from it? If CCP is so concerned about splash damage wrecking infantry, at least give rails a 1 meter splash radius.

What CCP is thinking is that Railgun shots shouldn't have splash damage and that is OK but i'm pretty sure that a Railgun Round is atleast one or two meters in diameter. Therefore, the rounds should behave like 9mm bullets.

So in reality the railgun would have a huge splash probably severing your legs from you body :) but for the sake of balancing a 25% splash would be good. Ccp please say weather it's possible to add or not!

Get a gunner.

Small turrets are there for infantry.

Indeed. And Large are for vehicles am I right?

Thus if changes are made like this the appropriate destructive force should be applied on the main gun of a tank. Thus AoE is somewhat necessary.

Do you know how much weaker a tank with a turret is compared to not?