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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

Vitantur Nothus wrote:

@ BAMM HAVOC

I can understand the sentiment when it comes to Judge, but how is it safe to assume that the others are "doing nothing"? On what do we base this assumption/claim?

On the simple basis that they are not sticking up for themselves.

Other then letting us know they are working hard to type out their opinions in fancy TXT documents for CCP to review....

When you have campaigned to the community for their support in votes and understanding..

Then have patches that you say you have had your hand in... But have no statement that has been made from the CPM Council or CCP as a whole on what they helped with.

The Community as a whole voted in this group... We are wanting to know what that vote was for... We are wanting to know what our elected council members have put in for feedback and changes to upcoming patches.

We don't need to know what they are doing at this point or anything about a future patch.... But when the patch goes live and we get little to no update about anything from the CPM and how their input to the patch has put the community into the development process.

We as the voters feel like we are just to elevate these people into CCP management structure where we are then kicked out and left at the back door to eat scraps that they decide to feed us.

It is a terrible experience and why most people Detest the idea of CPM.

Fight for Information and keeping us Informed first...

The best piece of work this CPM Council has done so far for it's voters? Have CCP Rattati Post his Roadmap for the Future.

Hate to inform you but we're not supposed to be CCP Spokespeople; the more ccp chatters to you guys first or sooner; the better. This was an absolute major mistake on CPM 0 that probably held back a bunch of decisions because of the shoehorning involved.

Lets put things this a way;
CSM has yet still not managed to get CCP to publish an eve side road map.

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Kain Spero Internal Error. 4140	Posted - 2015.01.08 20:47:00 - [61] - Quote Seeing as we are around 6 months in when is the next CPM election anyways? The CSM elections have already been announced to be early and coincide with FanFest in March. Also, we have yet to hear anything regarding CPM's Shanghai summit or if any summit will even occur. With how close we came to CPM 1 not actually happening I would hate to see all the community effort die with us only ending up with one elected Council. In regard to Judge, you almost always end up with a dud on a council. I think what really irks people is when Judge tried to cover up and explain away the inactivity while being active on another community's forum. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5650	Posted - 2015.01.09 02:56:00 - [62] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Seeing as we are around 6 months in when is the next CPM election anyways? The CSM elections have already been announced to be early and coincide with FanFest in March. Also, we have yet to hear anything regarding CPM's Shanghai summit or if any summit will even occur. With how close we came to CPM 1 not actually happening I would hate to see all the community effort die with us only ending up with one elected Council. In regard to Judge, you almost always end up with a dud on a council. I think what really irks people is when Judge tried to cover up and explain away the inactivity while being active on another community's forum. Tends to get people "up in a snit" as it were. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 678	Posted - 2015.01.09 04:01:00 - [63] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: "Done something" is hard to quantify. Different members definitely have different areas they excel and provide solid feedback. You have probably seen a little bit of all of us hidden in the recent patches and hotfixes. Without knocking anyone else on the team, IWS probably works the hardest, if you're curious, since he does our secretarial work in addition to assembling some of the most comprehensive documents for CCP to review. Huge credit to him for that, because I just don't have the attention span. So in others words ... None of you have done anything. Politicians and there fancy fubar speak to avoid the topic at hand . I shall ask the same question again .... +1 other. What have you done ? How many of you have lived up to any of your campaign promises ? Folks in glass houses shouldn't through stones, very few of the CPM have lived up to any of there promises. So before we call for resignations and offer replacements, perhaps we should call the entire CPM to task? YOU TUBES BEERCANATER PLUS BACON !
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5651	Posted - 2015.01.09 13:18:00 - [64] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: "Done something" is hard to quantify. Different members definitely have different areas they excel and provide solid feedback. You have probably seen a little bit of all of us hidden in the recent patches and hotfixes. Without knocking anyone else on the team, IWS probably works the hardest, if you're curious, since he does our secretarial work in addition to assembling some of the most comprehensive documents for CCP to review. Huge credit to him for that, because I just don't have the attention span. So in others words ... None of you have done anything. Politicians and there fancy fubar speak to avoid the topic at hand . I shall ask the same question again .... +1 other. What have you done ? How many of you have lived up to any of your campaign promises ? Folks in glass houses shouldn't through stones, very few of the CPM have lived up to any of there promises. So before we call for resignations and offer replacements, perhaps we should call the entire CPM to task? Part of the issue actually is the NDA as the CPM has consistently stated. Yes, the CPM is more intended as a means to convey our desires to CCP, but with them bound up in the NDA as much as they are, they can't even say anything in defense when we accuse them of not doing their jobs because just that might constitute a Breach of Contract. I think some of them are taking the job seriously and representing us to the best of their ability, and I think it is also the case that some of them are not. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
XxFRIJOLESxX MEXICAN BUFFET 37	Posted - 2015.01.09 13:38:00 - [65] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Seeing as we are around 6 months in when is the next CPM election anyways? The CSM elections have already been announced to be early and coincide with FanFest in March. Also, we have yet to hear anything regarding CPM's Shanghai summit or if any summit will even occur. With how close we came to CPM 1 not actually happening I would hate to see all the community effort die with us only ending up with one elected Council. In regard to Judge, you almost always end up with a dud on a council. I think what really irks people is when Judge tried to cover up and explain away the inactivity while being active on another community's forum. I also think this speaks alot about the voters since judge got the most votes then obviously most of the community has no idea what they are doing. I wish I could say that I saw this coming from a mile away but tbh I expected something over nothing. So far judge has far surpassed even my worst expectations. I knew he would do a bad job.... but this? Well maybe it is for the best. Carne Guisada special today. $6.99 w/ Free drink. includes 2 flour tortillas, beans , rice, salad, 2 cheese enchiladas
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1592	Posted - 2015.01.09 13:47:00 - [66] - Quote @ BAMM HAVOC I can understand the sentiment when it comes to Judge, but how is it safe to assume that the others are "doing nothing"?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18230	Posted - 2015.01.09 14:15:00 - [67] - Quote Man if CPM had an internal scoring system on things they do like show up for the meetings; leaving suggestions; having a convo with a developer. Oh wait... CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3021	Posted - 2015.01.09 14:19:00 - [68] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ BAMM HAVOC I can understand the sentiment when it comes to Judge, but how is it safe to assume that the others are "doing nothing"? On what do we base this assumption/claim? On the simple basis that they are not sticking up for themselves. Other then letting us know they are working hard to type out their opinions in fancy TXT documents for CCP to review.... When you have campaigned to the community for their support in votes and understanding.. Then have patches that you say you have had your hand in... But have no statement that has been made from the CPM Council or CCP as a whole on what they helped with. The Community as a whole voted in this group... We are wanting to know what that vote was for... We are wanting to know what our elected council members have put in for feedback and changes to upcoming patches. We don't need to know what they are doing at this point or anything about a future patch.... But when the patch goes live and we get little to no update about anything from the CPM and how their input to the patch has put the community into the development process. We as the voters feel like we are just to elevate these people into CCP management structure where we are then kicked out and left at the back door to eat scraps that they decide to feed us. It is a terrible experience and why most people Detest the idea of CPM. Fight for Information and keeping us Informed first... The best piece of work this CPM Council has done so far for it's voters? Have CCP Rattati Post his Roadmap for the Future.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18231	Posted - 2015.01.09 14:24:00 - [69] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ BAMM HAVOC I can understand the sentiment when it comes to Judge, but how is it safe to assume that the others are "doing nothing"? On what do we base this assumption/claim? On the simple basis that they are not sticking up for themselves. Other then letting us know they are working hard to type out their opinions in fancy TXT documents for CCP to review.... When you have campaigned to the community for their support in votes and understanding.. Then have patches that you say you have had your hand in... But have no statement that has been made from the CPM Council or CCP as a whole on what they helped with. The Community as a whole voted in this group... We are wanting to know what that vote was for... We are wanting to know what our elected council members have put in for feedback and changes to upcoming patches. We don't need to know what they are doing at this point or anything about a future patch.... But when the patch goes live and we get little to no update about anything from the CPM and how their input to the patch has put the community into the development process. We as the voters feel like we are just to elevate these people into CCP management structure where we are then kicked out and left at the back door to eat scraps that they decide to feed us. It is a terrible experience and why most people Detest the idea of CPM. Fight for Information and keeping us Informed first... The best piece of work this CPM Council has done so far for it's voters? Have CCP Rattati Post his Roadmap for the Future. Hate to inform you but we're not supposed to be CCP Spokespeople; the more ccp chatters to you guys first or sooner; the better. This was an absolute major mistake on CPM 0 that probably held back a bunch of decisions because of the shoehorning involved. Lets put things this a way; CSM has yet still not managed to get CCP to publish an eve side road map. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5653	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:14:00 - [70] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Bethhy wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ BAMM HAVOC I can understand the sentiment when it comes to Judge, but how is it safe to assume that the others are "doing nothing"? On what do we base this assumption/claim? On the simple basis that they are not sticking up for themselves. Other then letting us know they are working hard to type out their opinions in fancy TXT documents for CCP to review.... When you have campaigned to the community for their support in votes and understanding.. Then have patches that you say you have had your hand in... But have no statement that has been made from the CPM Council or CCP as a whole on what they helped with. The Community as a whole voted in this group... We are wanting to know what that vote was for... We are wanting to know what our elected council members have put in for feedback and changes to upcoming patches. We don't need to know what they are doing at this point or anything about a future patch.... But when the patch goes live and we get little to no update about anything from the CPM and how their input to the patch has put the community into the development process. We as the voters feel like we are just to elevate these people into CCP management structure where we are then kicked out and left at the back door to eat scraps that they decide to feed us. It is a terrible experience and why most people Detest the idea of CPM. Fight for Information and keeping us Informed first... The best piece of work this CPM Council has done so far for it's voters? Have CCP Rattati Post his Roadmap for the Future. Hate to inform you but we're not supposed to be CCP Spokespeople; the more ccp chatters to you guys first or sooner; the better. This was an absolute major mistake on CPM 0 that probably held back a bunch of decisions because of the shoehorning involved. Lets put things this a way; CSM has yet still not managed to get CCP to publish an eve side road map. CCP Reykjavik probably doesn't have desperation driving them to make decisions. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5278	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:17:00 - [71] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Then have patches that you say you have had your hand in... But have no statement that has been made from the CPM Council or CCP as a whole on what they helped with. Some of it is simply hard to quantify. We collaborate with Rattati a LOT, so by the time you get a released feature, it's got bits and pieces of the CPM and CCP in it for various things. Some of which we can explain, some of which is more difficult. Sometimes there might be a whole line item on a patch note that was a particular CPM's idea and push to have happen. Often based on a forum thread. But something like the warbarge concept shares both a lot of CCP and CPM vision in it. Also, one of the key problems is that any bad ideas CCP comes up with but does not announce, are NDA. So we can't tell you about the bad ideas we put to death. CPM0 probably had to do a lot more of that than we do though. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Man if CPM had an internal scoring system on things they do like show up for the meetings; leaving suggestions; having a convo with a developer. Oh wait... We have an internal scoring system? Am I winning? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18233	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:19:00 - [72] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: CCP Reykjavik probably doesn't have desperation driving them to make decisions. **** poor excuse to not have a public roadmap available any community CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18233	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:24:00 - [73] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: We have an internal scoring system? Am I winning? There is no winning this; there are only losers. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1009	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:40:00 - [74] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: We have an internal scoring system? Am I winning? There is no winning this; there are only losers. This might be the smartest thing that you have ever said. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Moorian Flav 288	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:42:00 - [75] - Quote I'd feel more comfortable about CPMs commenting on fixing PC if there were any that I knew were actually playing PC now. BTW, I listened to the latest biomassed podcast. During, one of the commentators commented they'd like if we could do consecutive battles on a district in a single day as you can only attack a specific district once a day now. For those that don't know, if you have the clones available, you can do consecutive attacks on a specific district in a single day. Not sure about you but I certainly feel I am in capable hands. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18233	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:03:00 - [76] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: I'd feel more comfortable about CPMs commenting on fixing PC if there were any that I knew were actually playing PC now. BTW, I listened to the latest biomassed podcast. During, one of the commentators commented they'd like if we could do consecutive battles on a district in a single day as you can only attack a specific district once a day now. For those that don't know, if you have the clones available, you can do consecutive attacks on a specific district in a single day. Not saying the commentator himself was a CPM but there were CPMs in attendance and no one corrected the commentator. Not sure about you but I certainly feel I am in capable hands. Xel should have corrected him. Heated argument hard to elbow in at times. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Moorian Flav 290	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:25:00 - [77] - Quote I will say that not all of the CPM is bad and the idea of CPM is an overall good idea but there are those in CPM that seem to rather talk about the game than actually play the game. Speaking of, in the best interest of everyone in the community, there should be several corps open to having CPMs play in PC if they are not able to get into PC with their own corp. All you should have to do is ask. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1011	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:31:00 - [78] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: I will say that not all of the CPM is bad and the idea of CPM is an overall good idea but there are those in CPM that seem to rather talk about the game than actually play the game. Speaking of, in the best interest of everyone in the community, there should be several corps in PC now open to having CPMs play in PC with them if some CPMs are not able to get into PC with their own corp. All you should have to do as CPM is ask and play. Honestly, I can't imagine they couldn't do just that, if they actually wanted to. It really isn't a question of availability, but rather one of lack of interest. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5279	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:36:00 - [79] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Moorian Flav wrote: I'd feel more comfortable about CPMs commenting on fixing PC if there were any that I knew were actually playing PC now. BTW, I listened to the latest biomassed podcast. During, one of the commentators commented they'd like if we could do consecutive battles on a district in a single day as you can only attack a specific district once a day now. For those that don't know, if you have the clones available, you can do consecutive attacks on a specific district in a single day. Not saying the commentator himself was a CPM but there were CPMs in attendance and no one corrected the commentator. Not sure about you but I certainly feel I am in capable hands. Xel should have corrected him. Heated argument hard to elbow in at times. The podcast is a bit crazy when that many people are on in general. Yes, we're well aware that attacks get reupped with a five minute interval between if the attacker has enough clones remaining. I don't remember the exact statement, but I am guessing he meant the ability for multiple separate attacks to be placed, not just reattacks with remaining clones. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 683	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:45:00 - [80] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ BAMM HAVOC I can understand the sentiment when it comes to Judge, but how is it safe to assume that the others are "doing nothing"? On what do we base this assumption? Good point and well made. My reasoning is as always very simple, if we are going to hold 1 CPM member to account for his actions then we must hold them all to account. We cant point fingers at 1 member for not keeping his promises when the others haven't done so either. And most of them haven't. This "hypothetical" internal score board mentioned is just pure 1upmanship. Here is an idea why don't you update the CPM weekly minutes in the CPM subforum and tell us who was there and if at all what was discussed. That hasn't been updated with minutes since 25/08/2014. This will help put to rest some conjecture and keep the community informed as to what's going on with our game, something I am sure every current CPM member promised. At the end of the day, there will not be a CPM2. So we are stuck with who we have, hopefully they will make it work. YOU TUBES BEERCANATER PLUS BACON !

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5280	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:52:00 - [81] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: At the end of the day, there will not be a CPM2. So we are stuck with who we have, hopefully they will make it work. I consider ensuring there's a CPM2 a key goal of the CPM1. I assume CPM2 will do their best to ensure there is a CPM3, etc. I love how you like to format complete nonsense as if it's factual information. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
XxFRIJOLESxX MEXICAN BUFFET 44	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:59:00 - [82] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: At the end of the day, there will not be a CPM2. So we are stuck with who we have, hopefully they will make it work. I consider ensuring there's a CPM2 a key goal of the CPM1. I assume CPM2 will do their best to ensure there is a CPM3, etc. I love how you like to format complete nonsense as if it's factual information. I would believe bamm over you anyday of the week. Carne Guisada special today. $6.99 w/ Free drink. includes 2 flour tortillas, beans , rice, salad, 2 cheese enchiladas
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5280	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:06:00 - [83] - Quote XxFRIJOLESxX wrote: I would believe bamm over you anyday of the week. Which is sad, because BAMM is full of ****. Almost everything he says is completely made up fiction. He's been proven wrong over and over and over. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3023	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:07:00 - [84] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Bethhy wrote: Then have patches that you say you have had your hand in... But have no statement that has been made from the CPM Council or CCP as a whole on what they helped with. Some of it is simply hard to quantify. We collaborate with Rattati a LOT, so by the time you get a released feature, it's got bits and pieces of the CPM and CCP in it for various things. Some of which we can explain, some of which is more difficult. Sometimes there might be a whole line item on a patch note that was a particular CPM's idea and push to have happen. Often based on a forum thread. But something like the warbarge concept shares both a lot of CCP and CPM vision in it. Also, one of the key problems is that any bad ideas CCP comes up with but does not announce, are NDA. So we can't tell you about the bad ideas we put to death. CPM0 probably had to do a lot more of that than we do though. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Man if CPM had an internal scoring system on things they do like show up for the meetings; leaving suggestions; having a convo with a developer. Oh wait... We have an internal scoring system? Am I winning? How about a CPM Update thread after each patch... Letting the community know where their feedback had an effect... Where the CPM's feedback had an effect and made it's way to a live patch. We are not looking to hear Every idea that is said while you guys are just throwing idea's around... But be brought into the end process and the decisions and choice it took to get there. Voters and players and critics NEED to see this process or atleast be explained in some way how the process unfolded to give us the changes... Just saying "Believe me we have had inputs on nearly everything along with some features that are strictly us and some we took off the forums" Will never be good enough and further alienates the community from the process and even the idea of a CPM. We have gotten roadmaps for EVE.... Purely by when they tell us something that a team is working on... We end up getting it in a reasonable amount of time.. Even though sometimes it falls short and is under delivered on like station walking. We have had a couple stated road maps from CCP Shanghai aswell along the years... But none from someone with the credibility of Rattati who actually gets stuff done, regardless if you agree with it or not.
Major 0nslaught 121	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:09:00 - [85] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: XxFRIJOLESxX wrote: I would believe bamm over you anyday of the week. Which is sad, because BAMM is full of ****. Almost everything he says is completely made up fiction. He's been proven wrong over and over and over. Cpm has proven again and again that they cannot be trusted. Life is like a box of Proto Locust grenades. You never know what random red berry you're gonna get.
rithujith roshan Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 37	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:10:00 - [86] - Quote Lemme get this straight..........a member of CPM is not someone who is paid to do the DEVs job (am i wrong?) When the DEVs are busy & they are not able to interact with the players, they made CPM so that they can select people with some influence among the players to represent them. Point is CPM does not have to do any job, they just have to represent the player base.... P.S : the CPMs are not DEVs ! they need not do the DEVs job ! They banned me permanently (C-C-P Rithu)
The Noob Destroyer 1188	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:10:00 - [87] - Quote Bamm 4 cpm2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_LxyhCJpsM
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5282	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:11:00 - [88] - Quote Major 0nslaught wrote: Cpm has proven again and again that they cannot be trusted. Where has CPM1 let you down so far? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5282	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:14:00 - [89] - Quote Bethhy wrote: How about a CPM Update thread after each patch... Letting the community know where their feedback had an effect... Where the CPM's feedback had an effect and made it's way to a live patch. I would like to see if I can do this for you for 1.10, but the website seems to be having an issue, and the blog posts won't load. Give me some time. It is a good idea, and if we can do it well in the bounds of the NDA, I'd like to try to do so. The other issue is actually remembering how things went down too. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 108	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:14:00 - [90] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Major 0nslaught wrote: Cpm has proven again and again that they cannot be trusted. Where has CPM1 let you down so far? Soraya ruined my life!



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