DUST Search - Bandwidth Management Skill

Clone D wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

Clone D wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Then you wouldn't need a logi for uplinks Blink

Working as intended

Logis have stated time and time again that they need help deploying equipment from other roles. For example, assaults equip an uplink.

If logis need help from other roles to deploy equipment, then other roles need a small buffer of bw to assist logis in their team support.

we don't need any help. i drop uplinks for the whole team when i'm there. if there is no logistics like me on your team its not a problem with logistics. its a problem with not having someone filling the role. the simple answer to this is fill the role to maximum effect by using a logistics or fill it in a basic capacity using your current setup. what is not the answer is allowing players to fill the role with every suit. dropping the odd piece of equipment is not role breaking.

That would force me to spec into logi and all of the equipment. If there aren't enough logis in the current meta, then why did we implement bandwidth so rigidly up front. We needed a transitional period of relaxed bandwidth until more peeps started playing logis.

I don't want to play logi. I want to play assault. I don't make you play assault for the whole match do I?

The problem is not playing logi. It's getting stuck in that boring role for the rest of the match.

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Clone D 1291	Posted - 2015.01.07 15:32:00 - [1] - Quote Dropsuit Upgrades > Dropsuit Core Upgrades > Dropsuit Engineering > Bandwidth Management +10% dropsuit bandwidth per level. What do you think?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5251	Posted - 2015.01.07 15:36:00 - [2] - Quote Definitely wouldn't make it just a passive bonus skill that would be just common sense for everyone to have. It'd be silly to undo the whole point of bandwidth by giving everyone more bandwidth all the time. If we saw a bandwidth skill, I'd rather see it coupled with an actual module you had to use to increase bandwidth, at the cost of fitting and a low slot or something like that. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 878	Posted - 2015.01.07 15:37:00 - [3] - Quote i think its no necessary. You want to throw equipment from dusk till dawn, get a logi. Scouts have, what, 6 bandwidth? at lvl 5 that takes you to 9.66, so another droplink? Naah, fit a logi
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6243	Posted - 2015.01.07 15:42:00 - [4] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Definitely wouldn't make it just a passive bonus skill that would be just common sense for everyone to have. It'd be silly to undo the whole point of bandwidth by giving everyone more bandwidth all the time. If we saw a bandwidth skill, I'd rather see it coupled with an actual module you had to use to increase bandwidth, at the cost of fitting and a low slot or something like that. No matter what slot you decide that module should occupy, it will **** off some races because of racial tanking slots. Bandwidth is great as it is. No skills should increase it. I'm hesitant to increase it with modules of any type. Anything that could possibly return us to the days of logi tourism should be avoided like the plague. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
DDx77 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 70	Posted - 2015.01.08 02:10:00 - [5] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Definitely wouldn't make it just a passive bonus skill that would be just common sense for everyone to have. It'd be silly to undo the whole point of bandwidth by giving everyone more bandwidth all the time. If we saw a bandwidth skill, I'd rather see it coupled with an actual module you had to use to increase bandwidth, at the cost of fitting and a low slot or something like that. .....,just delete bandwidth and put a limit on uplinks and nanohive pls. I am doing many many logi things without being a logi Tourist logi for life XD
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4313	Posted - 2015.01.08 02:22:00 - [6] - Quote I agree with Xel, I don't see the point in adding bandwidth just to effectively reverse it with a skill. If it was a specific bonus for a particular suit....maybe? But certainly not for everyone, it would completely defeat the purpose. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Zindorak Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1588	Posted - 2015.01.08 02:42:00 - [7] - Quote I think bandwidth was a pointless idea to begin with. It just limits potential Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
ishtellian SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 88	Posted - 2015.01.08 02:50:00 - [8] - Quote Maybe have a bandwidth module for high slots and low, one increases bandwidth and one decreases bandwidth on equipment. I guess its kinda pointless but just throwing ideas around =/ My Heavy Never Dies. Logibro In training.
Clone D 1295	Posted - 2015.01.08 02:52:00 - [9] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I agree with Xel, I don't see the point in adding bandwidth just to effectively reverse it with a skill. If it was a specific bonus for a particular suit....maybe? But certainly not for everyone, it would completely defeat the purpose. It wouldn't reverse it completely. It just adds some wiggle room. Not very much either.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4313	Posted - 2015.01.08 02:55:00 - [10] - Quote Clone D wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I agree with Xel, I don't see the point in adding bandwidth just to effectively reverse it with a skill. If it was a specific bonus for a particular suit....maybe? But certainly not for everyone, it would completely defeat the purpose. It wouldn't reverse it completely. It just adds some wiggle room. Not very much either. If you want to deploy more equipment, use a suit that is designed to deploy more equipment. The system is working exactly as intended. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net

Clone D 1295	Posted - 2015.01.08 02:58:00 - [11] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: It'd be silly to undo the whole point of bandwidth by giving everyone more bandwidth all the time. You're going to extremes. It wouldn't undo the whole point. It would give us a margin of room to contribute to the team in addition to performing the role of the dropsuit that we are in. Apparently everyone is expected to contribute by deploying uplinks and PEs, when those are really things best left to the logi role. We need a little extra bandwidth to perform our role in addition to helping out the logis. What about +1 dropsuit BW per level.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1875	Posted - 2015.01.08 03:00:00 - [12] - Quote Zindorak wrote: I think bandwidth was a pointless idea to begin with. It just limits potential doesn't limit my potential as a logistics. i actually use up more equipment now than i used to. i have been using up more proto gear than i ever did before because in the past even my standard gear wasn't being used up. whats 50% bandwidth added to a logi with 36BW. sure suits could be adjusted but adjusting the suits bw allowance would mean that all including the lowest suits would have to be adjusted meaning those on the lower suits would have so little bw that it would be unable to deploy equipment until they train the skill. All Hail Legion
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4313	Posted - 2015.01.08 03:01:00 - [13] - Quote Clone D wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: It'd be silly to undo the whole point of bandwidth by giving everyone more bandwidth all the time. You're going to extremes. It wouldn't undo the whole point. It would give us a margin of room to contribute to the team in addition to performing the role of the dropsuit that we are in. Apparently everyone is expected to contribute by deploying uplinks and PEs, when those are really things best left to the logi role. We need a little extra bandwidth to perform our role in addition to helping out the logis. What about +1 dropsuit BW per level? Your missing the point. If there is a need for more equipment on the field, then people need to be fielding more Logistics suits. The whole point of bandwidth was to make Logistics more essential on the battlefield. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Clone D 1295	Posted - 2015.01.08 03:04:00 - [14] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Clone D wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I agree with Xel, I don't see the point in adding bandwidth just to effectively reverse it with a skill. If it was a specific bonus for a particular suit....maybe? But certainly not for everyone, it would completely defeat the purpose. It wouldn't reverse it completely. It just adds some wiggle room. Not very much either. If you want to deploy more equipment, use a suit that is designed to deploy more equipment. The system is working exactly as intended. Apparently the community consensus is that everyone is expected to help logis perform their role. For example, people say that assaults should carry an uplink instead of equipment that will actually boost their ability to perform their own role better, like an RE or hive. If everyone is expected to help logis by deploying equipment, then all non logi roles need their BW pimped a little bit in order to do their role + a little bit of team contribution.
Clone D 1295	Posted - 2015.01.08 03:07:00 - [15] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Zindorak wrote: I think bandwidth was a pointless idea to begin with. It just limits potential doesn't limit my potential as a logistics. i actually use up more equipment now than i used to. i have been using up more proto gear than i ever did before because in the past even my standard gear wasn't being used up. whats 50% bandwidth added to a logi with 36BW. sure suits could be adjusted but adjusting the suits bw allowance would mean that all including the lowest suits would have to be adjusted meaning those on the lower suits would have so little bw that it would be unable to deploy equipment until they train the skill. No, the idea is that current BW constraints on the various suits are already too low. This would give mercs a little breathing room.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4313	Posted - 2015.01.08 03:19:00 - [16] - Quote Clone D wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Clone D wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I agree with Xel, I don't see the point in adding bandwidth just to effectively reverse it with a skill. If it was a specific bonus for a particular suit....maybe? But certainly not for everyone, it would completely defeat the purpose. It wouldn't reverse it completely. It just adds some wiggle room. Not very much either. If you want to deploy more equipment, use a suit that is designed to deploy more equipment. The system is working exactly as intended. Apparently the community consensus is that everyone is expected to help logis perform their role. For example, people say that assaults should carry an uplink instead of equipment that will actually boost their ability to perform their own role better, like an RE or hive. If everyone is expected to help logis by deploying equipment, then all non logi roles need their BW pimped a little bit in order to do their role + a little bit of team contribution. You're right, you have limited support abilities, but giving you more just devalues the Logi's importance. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Clone D 1295	Posted - 2015.01.08 03:26:00 - [17] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Clone D wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Clone D wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I agree with Xel, I don't see the point in adding bandwidth just to effectively reverse it with a skill. If it was a specific bonus for a particular suit....maybe? But certainly not for everyone, it would completely defeat the purpose. It wouldn't reverse it completely. It just adds some wiggle room. Not very much either. If you want to deploy more equipment, use a suit that is designed to deploy more equipment. The system is working exactly as intended. Apparently the community consensus is that everyone is expected to help logis perform their role. For example, people say that assaults should carry an uplink instead of equipment that will actually boost their ability to perform their own role better, like an RE or hive. If everyone is expected to help logis by deploying equipment, then all non logi roles need their BW pimped a little bit in order to do their role + a little bit of team contribution. You're right, you have limited support abilities, but giving you more just devalues the Logi's importance. It's not a lot more. Just need enough to deploy 1 uplink in addition to performing the role of the dropsuit I am in.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4313	Posted - 2015.01.08 04:37:00 - [18] - Quote Then you wouldn't need a logi for uplinks Working as intended "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Everything Dies Same Dung Different Year 1168	Posted - 2015.01.08 13:34:00 - [19] - Quote Easy solution: Bandwidth booster equipment. I'm currently a week or so away from unlocking the proto Gal logi suit. I'm doing it because I want the suit bonus and not for the fourth equipment slot. Hell, I can't even put three types of equipment on my advanced suit, so why would I need a fourth slot? I'm able to place two advanced uplinks (which I can use with any non-heavy suit) in addition to two Allotek nanohives if needed. That's it. Two equipment slots used with only one of them utilizing proto gear. At this point, the only reason I utilize my logi build is for a triple-scanning defensive build. Everything else can be done by other suits (assault + rep tool = better survivability and easy WP, scout + rep tool + injector = speedier, hard-to-detect medic with similar HP to a logi.) Bandwidth, as it currently stands, has only further relegated the logi class to a niche portion of the userbase. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1452	Posted - 2015.01.08 15:57:00 - [20] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Easy solution: Bandwidth booster equipment. I'm currently a week or so away from unlocking the proto Gal logi suit. I'm doing it because I want the suit bonus and not for the fourth equipment slot. Hell, I can't even put three types of equipment on my advanced suit, so why would I need a fourth slot? I'm able to place two advanced uplinks (which I can use with any non-heavy suit) in addition to two Allotek nanohives if needed. That's it. Two equipment slots used with only one of them utilizing proto gear. At this point, the only reason I utilize my logi build is for a triple-scanning defensive build. Everything else can be done by other suits (assault + rep tool = better survivability and easy WP, scout + rep tool + injector = speedier, hard-to-detect medic with similar HP to a logi.) Bandwidth, as it currently stands, has only further relegated the logi class to a niche portion of the userbase. You are making a good argument as to why the Logi Suits need a buff period. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen

Clone D 1298	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:00:00 - [21] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Then you wouldn't need a logi for uplinks Working as intended Logis have stated time and time again that they need help deploying equipment from other roles. For example, assaults equip an uplink. If logis need help from other roles to deploy equipment, then other roles need a small buffer of bw to assist logis in their team support.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 712	Posted - 2015.01.08 19:27:00 - [22] - Quote Clone D wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Then you wouldn't need a logi for uplinks Working as intended Logis have stated time and time again that they need help deploying equipment from other roles. For example, assaults equip an uplink. If logis need help from other roles to deploy equipment, then other roles need a small buffer of bw to assist logis in their team support. Citations, please. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1879	Posted - 2015.01.08 20:10:00 - [23] - Quote Clone D wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Then you wouldn't need a logi for uplinks Working as intended Logis have stated time and time again that they need help deploying equipment from other roles. For example, assaults equip an uplink. If logis need help from other roles to deploy equipment, then other roles need a small buffer of bw to assist logis in their team support. we don't need any help. i drop uplinks for the whole team when i'm there. if there is no logistics like me on your team its not a problem with logistics. its a problem with not having someone filling the role. the simple answer to this is fill the role to maximum effect by using a logistics or fill it in a basic capacity using your current setup. what is not the answer is allowing players to fill the role with every suit. dropping the odd piece of equipment is not role breaking. All Hail Legion
Clone D 1298	Posted - 2015.01.08 20:12:00 - [24] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Clone D wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Then you wouldn't need a logi for uplinks Working as intended Logis have stated time and time again that they need help deploying equipment from other roles. For example, assaults equip an uplink. If logis need help from other roles to deploy equipment, then other roles need a small buffer of bw to assist logis in their team support. Citations, please. edit: include the contextual text also please, to better verify the quote as genuine and not just some Logi telling an Aassault to get his own damn link because the Logi is tired of hearing the crying. Well, I gathered this from one thread. Imagine how much more we could find if we sorted through the forums: put uplinks on scouts and assaults https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2559694#post2559694 put uplink on assault https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2558369#post2558369 assault put uplink, not hives https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2558586#post2558586 carry uplinks on your assault https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2558647#post2558647 scouts run uplinks https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2558744#post2558744 if you need uplinks do it yourself https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2558397#post2558397 use uplinks, not REs https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2558549#post2558549 others can carry equipment besides logis https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2558562#post2558562 logis can't do everything. Not enough logis. Everyone must pitch in. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2559362#post2559362 There aren't enough logis https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2559511#post2559511 not enough people playing logi https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2559928#post2559928
Clone D 1298	Posted - 2015.01.08 20:15:00 - [25] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Clone D wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Then you wouldn't need a logi for uplinks Working as intended Logis have stated time and time again that they need help deploying equipment from other roles. For example, assaults equip an uplink. If logis need help from other roles to deploy equipment, then other roles need a small buffer of bw to assist logis in their team support. we don't need any help. i drop uplinks for the whole team when i'm there. if there is no logistics like me on your team its not a problem with logistics. its a problem with not having someone filling the role. the simple answer to this is fill the role to maximum effect by using a logistics or fill it in a basic capacity using your current setup. what is not the answer is allowing players to fill the role with every suit. dropping the odd piece of equipment is not role breaking. That would force me to spec into logi and all of the equipment. If there aren't enough logis in the current meta, then why did we implement bandwidth so rigidly up front. We needed a transitional period of relaxed bandwidth until more peeps started playing logis. I don't want to play logi. I want to play assault. I don't make you play assault for the whole match do I? The problem is not playing logi. It's getting stuck in that boring role for the rest of the match.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1881	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:10:00 - [26] - Quote Clone D wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Clone D wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Then you wouldn't need a logi for uplinks Working as intended Logis have stated time and time again that they need help deploying equipment from other roles. For example, assaults equip an uplink. If logis need help from other roles to deploy equipment, then other roles need a small buffer of bw to assist logis in their team support. we don't need any help. i drop uplinks for the whole team when i'm there. if there is no logistics like me on your team its not a problem with logistics. its a problem with not having someone filling the role. the simple answer to this is fill the role to maximum effect by using a logistics or fill it in a basic capacity using your current setup. what is not the answer is allowing players to fill the role with every suit. dropping the odd piece of equipment is not role breaking. That would force me to spec into logi and all of the equipment. If there aren't enough logis in the current meta, then why did we implement bandwidth so rigidly up front. We needed a transitional period of relaxed bandwidth until more peeps started playing logis. I don't want to play logi. I want to play assault. I don't make you play assault for the whole match do I? The problem is not playing logi. It's getting stuck in that boring role for the rest of the match. you don't have to be a logi to drop uplinks. you do not have to drop 9 uplinks to be able to support the team. all it takes is 1 uplink. that is all you need to drop to be effective at bringing teammates in. as for there not being enough logistics. we lost most of our logistics due assault getting our role nerfed to almost uselessness. while you had our defences and offencive capabilities nerfed you continued to spam equipment which was the only thing we had left. now you have been stopped from doing that you cry foul and demand more from something that is nothing to do you. equipment is ours. there should be no competition just like there is no competition between logistics and killers All Hail Legion
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6224	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:16:00 - [27] - Quote Clone D wrote: Dropsuit Upgrades > Dropsuit Core Upgrades > Dropsuit Engineering > Bandwidth Management +10% dropsuit bandwidth per level. OR + 1 dropsuit bandwidth per level. What do you think? Background: Apparently the community consensus is that everyone is expected to help logis perform their role. For example, people say that assaults should carry an uplink instead of equipment that will actually boost their ability to perform their own role better, like an RE or hive. If everyone is expected to help logis by deploying equipment, then all non logi roles need their BW pimped a little bit in order to do their role + a little bit of team contribution. so when are you going to quit sh*tting up the forums with new "I hate bandwidth" threads every couple hours? EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Clone D 1298	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:31:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Clone D wrote: Dropsuit Upgrades > Dropsuit Core Upgrades > Dropsuit Engineering > Bandwidth Management +10% dropsuit bandwidth per level. OR + 1 dropsuit bandwidth per level. What do you think? Background: Apparently the community consensus is that everyone is expected to help logis perform their role. For example, people say that assaults should carry an uplink instead of equipment that will actually boost their ability to perform their own role better, like an RE or hive. If everyone is expected to help logis by deploying equipment, then all non logi roles need their BW pimped a little bit in order to do their role + a little bit of team contribution. so when are you going to quit sh*tting up the forums with new "I hate bandwidth" threads every couple hours? If you take the time to read my entries, then you will see that I do not hate bandwidth, but I do advocate a relaxed bandwidth during the transitional period until we see an influx of logis, at which time the transition will be over.
Clone D 1298	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:34:00 - [29] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: you don't have to be a logi to drop uplinks. you do not have to drop 9 uplinks to be able to support the team. all it takes is 1 uplink. that is all you need to drop to be effective at bringing teammates in. The idea here, is that I would rather carry an RE, but because there are not enough logis on the field, I have to carry an uplink. That trade off is due to lack of support. I translate the lack of support to the transitional period we are now in when people will slowly migrate and spec into the logi role. During this period it would be nice to have maybe an additional 4bw cushion for each role in order to help out the extinct logi population. That is all I'm saying here.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4324	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:35:00 - [30] - Quote Clone D wrote: If you take the time to read my entries, then you will see that I do not hate bandwidth, but I do advocate a relaxed bandwidth during the transitional period until we see an influx of logis, at which time the transition will be over. Why would allowing non-logis to better perform the support role, encourage people to spec into the support role more than they currently are? If you want people to play Logistics, then buff Logistics. Plain and simple. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net



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