1. It would increase the number of uplinks on the field by 1 for every assault. Propagating the problem further.

2. It would make the logis less important, when they're already too unimportant. Propagating the problem further.

1. It would increase the number of uplinks on the field by 1 for every assault. Propagating the problem further.

2. It would make the logis less important, when they're already too unimportant. Propagating the problem further.

We need to establish a baseline. How many uplinks are a healthy amount, and how many are spam? Is this determined subjectively? Is it determined by the technical constraints of the game?

This is a highly subjective area. I just had a logi tell me that he wouldn't mind if everyone else contributed an uplink: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2561768#post2561768

How can we determine this in a community-centric way?

Combat oriented people pushed to have the needle nerf installed. Sure WP Farming happened, but get over it.
People stopped playing logi because of it.
Bandwidth was introduced because CCP wanted it, not Logi's
Loss of logis from previous nerfs means less logis on the field.

It doesn't matter. Simply put, if a suit has a single equipment slot, it's intention is allow it to make use of a single equipment at a time. If it was supposed to have 2 at a time, it would have had 2 equipment slots. I have no issue with Assaults carrying Uplinks. What I have an issue with is them dropping uplinks then just getting around their intended limitation of 1 equipment by swapping fits to deploy a second equipment type.



We've already established that there is a lack of Logistics on the field. The current usage is significantly lower than it used to be, and this is because of subsequent nerfs to the Logistics class time and time again. Even the Logi you linked to stated that this is the case. Let me clarify:



People stopped playing Logi *because of nerfs* not because they found the role to be boring. Nerfs --> Less Logis --> Less Uplinks. You have stated yourself that the lack of logis on the field is problematic in that there is insufficient equipment being dropped to support the battle. Therefor it is painfully clear that in order to reverse a negative effect, you reverse the cause of said effect. The solution is to buff Logistics.

If we assume everyone has a single equipment slot, you have 32 Equipment Slots on the field, so the absolute maximum would be 96. Obviously this is an extreme case, as not everyone has an equipment slot, and some have more, and it is extremely unlikely that everyone on the team will be using uplinks at the same time.

The point to take away from this is not the number of uplinks, its the number of intended equipment types on the field. If 32 Assaults want to drop 3 uplinks each and have 96 uplinks on the field? I have zero issue with that.

Secondly, you simply proved my point by linking me to a Logistics player who mirrored my sentiments that *the reason there isn't enough logistics is because they got nerfed* which your solution isn't to buff logis, it's to buff yourself so you can do their job them. And yes he said "Use your uplinks" but he didn't say "Use your uplinks, and hives, and then maybe even switch to a needle once you're all set up. What he's saying is "You've got limited support abilities, if you're going to ***** that we don't do our job, then help us support". He said nothing about "And abuse the system to get around your lack of equipment slots"

In this particular case, I'm not concerned with spam. Im concerned with you effectively gaining a second equipment slot.

Tell me, why are you so against simply buffing the Logis in order to encourage their use and thus get the intended effect of better support on the field?

If you make logis more like assaults, then essentially, you'll make a super assault plus - fun for fighting and can carry/deploy a bunch of equipment. Then people will leave assault behind and play super assault because it offers the same fun with more options. Then the assault fanboys will say, hey we need more incentives as assaults, etc. It is a downward spiral. Why can't we leave the suits alone, admit they are what they are and that the number of people who want to play them will vary with the context of the game/meta.

The solution is to buff Logistics.

Slayer Logi fear is irrational.

What you're trying to do is buff a class which is actually in a pretty solid spot, sans some tweaks to its attacking bonuses.

You're also ignoring a class which is innately underpowered.

I don't see how it makes any sense at all to buff the Assault class and leave the Logi underpowered.

You don't get it. There are quite a few people whom I talk to on a regular basis who don't play the game at all because the Logi is in such a ****** place. They're only interested in playing the support role and nothing else, so until that role is more viable, they're not interested at all. There are also many other players who respecced out of Logi or simply trained something else, myself included, because they no longer felt viable on the battlefield after countless nerfs.

Buffing the Logi isn't going to make people who had no interest in Support previously to spec into it, that's not my intention. The whole point is to make those who actually want to play the support role but don't because their suits suck, actually want to pick the suit back up again. So you want to make the game fun? Great. Then let people who want to run support actually have a fighting chance at doing so instead of just handing off the leftovers to everyone else.

I hope the coming buffs to the logi dropsuits will bring back your buds

And then you won't need that extra bandwidth for your Assault since there will be more, better logis on the field.

Indeed and agreed and I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

This alludes to my comments about a transitional period between now and then. I will tough it out, though, and I won't bring up temporarily relaxing bandwidth anymore.

I understand your intention, but I prefer to just fix the source of a problem rather than place temporary measures in. I apologize for being agressive earlier, I just get frustrated with the lack of action on CCP's part to fix the issue at hand.

I think bandwidth was a pointless idea to begin with. It just limits potential

If by "limits potential", you mean limits potential uplink spam, then you'd be correct.
Logis can still place plenty of equipment currently, while the other suits can't. It seems to be working great to me.