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Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7514	Posted - 2014.12.19 05:40:00 - [1] - Quote Adding one last spreadsheet to list tonight because clearly CCP (who developed this change) and the CPM (who absent mindedly approved it) have no idea what the community wants anymore. (Hint: We want our salvage without having to [kitten] pay for it). Why should -WE- have to pay for the salvage that -WE- earned? Add your name below with a '/signed' and I'll add it to the spreadsheet. CCP: We want our salvage back! Aeon Amadi's Important Links
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2036	Posted - 2014.12.19 05:47:00 - [2] - Quote /Signed Goodbye. Biomassed
Zaria Min Deir OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 926	Posted - 2014.12.19 05:49:00 - [3] - Quote This. I love how they finally gave us the option to sell unwanted salvage, and then basically took salvage away a few weeks later >.< /Signed. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 650	Posted - 2014.12.19 05:50:00 - [4] - Quote /signed Boycott Black Thursday!
Vicious Minotaur 1533	Posted - 2014.12.19 05:53:00 - [5] - Quote Here. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7514	Posted - 2014.12.19 05:54:00 - [6] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: This. I love how they finally gave us the option to sell unwanted salvage, and then basically took salvage away a few weeks later >.< /Signed. Didn't think about it like that until you mentioned it. Which makes it even more hilarious, when you think about it like this: - They make you buy an Agent to get the maximum returns... - They take away salvage and replace it with these salvage boxes... - You can open the salvage boxes, but only if you spend -MORE- money.... - And what you get out of the salvage boxes is AURUM GEAR which is essentially worthless because it costs MORE MONEY to restock. So, basically, the scheme here is that: We pay for these keys to open these mystery boxes, get a random assortment of things that we can sell BUT AT A REDUCED RATE Aeon Amadi's Important Links
Hector Carson Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 110	Posted - 2014.12.19 05:54:00 - [7] - Quote /signed My Corp fights for whoever has money, Primarily PC battles
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 910	Posted - 2014.12.19 05:56:00 - [8] - Quote /signed No one does it better than PIE Lasers4life "Jesus!"yelled the blues "No, my name is Forever" I replied
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1981	Posted - 2014.12.19 05:57:00 - [9] - Quote Or Why not make keys less pricey, introduce rare strongboxes with really high end gear like officer weapons and drop suits and items like boosters in them and get rid of regular boxes. Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7514	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:03:00 - [10] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Or Why not make keys less pricey, introduce rare strongboxes with really high end gear like officer weapons and drop suits and items like boosters in them and get rid of regular boxes. Or how about we get rid of them entirely so we can have our in-game ISK variant salvage back? If CCP had asked us before implementing this crock, I'm sure the general community would have unanimously said 'No, we do not want to no longer receive salvage from fighting.' It'd be like, in Eve Online, if you blew up someone's ship and the only way to get the stuff out of the wreck was by paying CCP $0.40 every single time you wanted to retrieve the loot YOU FOUGHT FOR. The salvage boxes serve absolutely no purpose besides forcing players to spend money for something that we normally got for playing the game. We got the salvage because we fought and killed other players, playing their game. I would expect this out of a subscription based game where you could bypass the salvage boxes by being a subscriber, but this is just ridiculous. Aeon Amadi's Important Links

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5170	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:11:00 - [11] - Quote I wouldn't mind them if they gave free keys way more often. However, if boxes are out, I expect more missions to give away free stuff. Like, AT LEAST 5/10 missions must ALWAYS hand out items. If we just get rid of them, then we'd be getting rid of another thing that could've been cool, but turned out the other way. I vote for the balancing of boxes.
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2329	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:12:00 - [12] - Quote B-But I just got 5 of those fancy new yellow lobbing mass drivers... On my first box. Oh and my second box had a Gastun's Forge. Oh and my 3rd box had 19 Complex Energizers. No pics, but I kid you not. I had a squadmate there. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7515	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:25:00 - [13] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I wouldn't mind them if they gave free keys way more often. However, if boxes are out, I expect more missions to give away free stuff. Like, AT LEAST 5/10 missions must ALWAYS hand out items. If we just get rid of them, then we'd be getting rid of another thing that could've been cool, but turned out the other way. I vote for the balancing of boxes. The daily missions thing is cool but it doesn't account for a player's individual play-time. If you were only going to play five or six matches, the daily missions probably give an equal value of ISK as you would have normally gotten. HOWEVER, if you're a player that would normally play for marathon sessions and get salvage every match, they basically just hit your payouts with a nerf sledgehammer. Aeon Amadi's Important Links
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 282	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:32:00 - [14] - Quote Signed
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1036	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:34:00 - [15] - Quote I don't really see a difference in my salvage other than I now get boxes in lieu of nothing(still get nothing sometimes, but a lot less often). The rate of getting normal salvage items seems to be the same for me, I just now get tons of useless boxes as well. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
First Prophet Followers of The Prophet 2147	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:36:00 - [16] - Quote /Signed People find this this review helpful!
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1390	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:36:00 - [17] - Quote I do NOT sign. It is a good system BUT we need more keys, less boxes as daily mission rewards, and the boxes need to be a little more geared towards the player on rewards. This frontline special edition bull spit from boxes has got to go.
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1077	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:45:00 - [18] - Quote You guys are unbelievable it's been like two weeks. Did you read the description? Obviously the current system has issues but there is going to be other ways aroynd and as always there will be tweaks to drop rates etc. "wah ccp added stuff now I get less ****** salvage QQ " Plus there's no proof other salvage rates have decreases due to more boxes. Everyone who signs this is an idiot.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5066	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:53:00 - [19] - Quote Salvage in pubs was nearly nonexistent to begin with? And as far as I know, has not decreased. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:54:00 - [20] - Quote /signed , At the moment they are annoying people The price of keys should be lower The vast majority of people that buy keys think they were ripped off, I certainly did There should be an option to swap 1000 boxes for 100,000SP , It would make one day month a nice day, They should give away keys for behavior that helps the community, For example for every 2nd battle you have for Amarr you should get a key I think they should clarify that strong boxes are an extra, the amount of salvage has not decreased.

Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 216	Posted - 2014.12.19 06:58:00 - [21] - Quote Salvage should be a gameplay mechanic that has the winners scanning burned out vehicle wrecks following a battle. Not paying realworld money for a chance of rare gear. Flipping moneygrab. +1 Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 216	Posted - 2014.12.19 07:03:00 - [22] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: You guys are unbelievable it's been like two weeks. Did you read the description? Obviously the current system has issues but there is going to be other ways aroynd and as always there will be tweaks to drop rates etc. "wah ccp added stuff now I get less ****** salvage QQ " Plus there's no proof other salvage rates have decreases due to more boxes. Everyone who signs this is an idiot. CCP alt spotted... Shoehorning a moneygrab into an existing mechanic and claiming its an improvement is foolhardy imo. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1078	Posted - 2014.12.19 07:07:00 - [23] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Boot Booter wrote: You guys are unbelievable it's been like two weeks. Did you read the description? Obviously the current system has issues but there is going to be other ways aroynd and as always there will be tweaks to drop rates etc. "wah ccp added stuff now I get less ****** salvage QQ " Plus there's no proof other salvage rates have decreases due to more boxes. Everyone who signs this is an idiot. CCP alt spotted... Shoehorning a moneygrab into an existing mechanic and claiming its an improvement is foolhardy imo. Aw shoot I'm busted, or I possess a foresight greater than a four year old. Guess we will never know.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7519	Posted - 2014.12.19 07:40:00 - [24] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Lady MDK wrote: Boot Booter wrote: You guys are unbelievable it's been like two weeks. Did you read the description? Obviously the current system has issues but there is going to be other ways aroynd and as always there will be tweaks to drop rates etc. "wah ccp added stuff now I get less ****** salvage QQ " Plus there's no proof other salvage rates have decreases due to more boxes. Everyone who signs this is an idiot. CCP alt spotted... Shoehorning a moneygrab into an existing mechanic and claiming its an improvement is foolhardy imo. Aw shoot I'm busted, or I possess a foresight greater than a four year old. Guess we will never know. You do realize that it's $5 for every 10 boxes, right? We had a perfectly functional, working, reasonable system to begin with and now it's been turned into just another money grab. A lot of us don't care about the 'tweaks to drop rates' or 'other ways around', it's a silly, stupid system that has no place in the game. There is no justifiable reason to have it in the game other than to make money and it directly interferes with the very essence of what New Eden is supposed to be. Chill with the CCP Fanboyism for a second, please. EDIT: Seriously, if CCP isn't making enough money through BPOs, Boosters, and Respecs/Market Agents, maybe it's time to just call it quits before this goes any further and starts having a more direct impact on the game like Aurum only skill books or some non-sense. Aeon Amadi's Important Links
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2862	Posted - 2014.12.19 07:48:00 - [25] - Quote Lets be honest. The strongbox system has promise but implementation is leaving a lot to be desired. I totally understand CCP`s desire to want to make money, honestly I am not a fool. However there is little incentive to spend money to open boxes right now because they mostly contain crap. Call it as it is - right now its extreme gambling. It needs reworking at best. On top of that, since these changes came through the paltry amount of loot we used to salvage seems to be even more rare now. It feels as if strongboxes have replaced a lot of the loot we would get before. My main concern and gripe however, is I have yet to see a single officer weapon drop. I feel as if officer weapons have been turned from a rare loot mechanism in game to a pay-wall of gambling where you have a good chance of not even getting said rare loot, even if you DO actually pay for keys. I am quite saddened by the whole strongbox fiasco as it could have been a much better system. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 87	Posted - 2014.12.19 07:58:00 - [26] - Quote I requested a spinning rainbow kick with a sparkle effect to open the loot boxes, back when lesion was announced.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2887	Posted - 2014.12.19 07:58:00 - [27] - Quote I'd be fine with Strongboxes if the bloody thrice-damned things did NOT have that stupid bright orange attention marker... Now I have two markers I can't turn off, my Strongboxes and my Boosters, if I get another I'm going to burn something down... I despise clutter... "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 476	Posted - 2014.12.19 08:04:00 - [28] - Quote /signed Side effects of playing Dust: Emotional trauma, Anger Management issues, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Depression
Her Chosen Grade No.2 148	Posted - 2014.12.19 08:15:00 - [29] - Quote /signed STRONG BOX ROLE CALL
Robocop Junior research lab 1021	Posted - 2014.12.19 08:15:00 - [30] - Quote I'll sign cause I'm a follower. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.

Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 578	Posted - 2014.12.19 08:30:00 - [31] - Quote The main purpose of the boxes has got to be a comical one, because they are mostly good for laughs.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5862	Posted - 2014.12.19 08:38:00 - [32] - Quote Until the aur price of keys drops sharply and the key drops go up to a reasonable level yeah. I'm in agreement they're worth little to nothing unless we can sell them for 10k-30k a pop. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2315	Posted - 2014.12.19 08:56:00 - [33] - Quote I agree, either remove or give us a way to open them that does not require mindless match salvage or real money. Sorry I am not paying for S***. Port the game over to PS4 and I might spend again. I am losing interest in my PS3 since I got my 4, so I might leave for good if there is no confirm on the port. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 313	Posted - 2014.12.19 08:59:00 - [34] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Adding one last spreadsheet to list tonight because clearly CCP (who developed this change) and the CPM (who absent mindedly approved it) have no idea what the community wants anymore. (Hint: We want our salvage without having to [kitten] pay for it). Why should -WE- have to pay for the salvage that -WE- earned? Add your name below with a '/signed' and I'll add it to the spreadsheet. CCP: We want our salvage back! I got 3 thales as regular salvage yesterday, along with a 9k forge gun, and some grenades. My missions yesterday gave me 500k isk and 34k SP. My missions today will net me 2 keys, 520k isk and 42k SP. Not to mention dozens of adv/pro suits, mods and weapons. The drop rate on the crates are annoying... but I do have a chance at keys thru missions. Those with bad luck may go days or even weeks with out missions for keys. I went weeks on end with out officer salvage in pubs in the past... same difference. Free to play, you don't have to buy anything to play this. You can now even grind for a BPO suit. I call entitled b.s. on this whole thread. I am literally looking at your avatar and flipping you the bird. http://caughtyouflinching.ytmnd.com/
Zaria Min Deir OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 932	Posted - 2014.12.19 09:37:00 - [35] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I'd be fine with Strongboxes if the bloody thrice-damned things did NOT have that stupid bright orange attention marker... Now I have two markers I can't turn off, my Strongboxes and my Boosters, if I get another I'm going to burn something down... I despise clutter... They clearly felt like they weren't doing a good enough of a job reminding us we owe them money with just one of those... And to all the "reasonable" people replying to this thread. Strongboxes are not a bad idea inherently, I believe most people here object to the way CCP implemented them, on top of them really just adding an unnecessary layer of randomness. There is nothing about the way they work as they are that suggests anything but a huge desperate money grap, and even that was done badly. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 635	Posted - 2014.12.19 09:53:00 - [36] - Quote /signed but with a caveat 1) Stongboxes should become rare. 2) Keys should give equal Aurum return, and becomed staggered as well e.g, A 50 aur key give 50 aur worth of items , 100 aur key 100 aur value, 1000 aur key 1000 aur value etc 3) Option to sell strongboxes for ISK. Gamble if you want, and sell the boxes if you don't. 10K per box would give the boxes some value in either selling or achieving in mission rewards. 4) Remove all starter fits, frontline and defender, as well as basic items immediately I don't care about CCP trying to make money, but there is a much better way to go about it than ripping off your player base. War Thunder is also a free to play game that heavily rewards players who invest real money. They manage to be successful without diluting the value of items purchased. CCP needs to convince us that spending cash on the boxes is worth it. There is no way the + $100 of aurum i need to unlock my 300+ boxes will be the equivalent of either the elite pack, or the 10 year Templar anniversary edition of EVE onlline, or almost a year's subscription to EVE online. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20409	Posted - 2014.12.19 09:56:00 - [37] - Quote /signed 254 boxes and I barely play, lol **** off. Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
Ablerober Mass Defect Binding Energy 217	Posted - 2014.12.19 10:08:00 - [38] - Quote /signed
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1092	Posted - 2014.12.19 10:14:00 - [39] - Quote /signed That shite has got to go. ISK Trader channel: blitz
VikingKong iBUN T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 317	Posted - 2014.12.19 10:24:00 - [40] - Quote I still get salvage for battles, and now I get strongboxes too. I don't see a problem with CCP adding features. The amount of strongboxes you get compared to the amount of keys is insane though. They need to rethink the chances of finding boxes and keys and give everyone like 200 keys for Christmas to make up for the extreme amount of boxes we have already.

shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3475	Posted - 2014.12.19 10:32:00 - [41] - Quote Signed Good mechanic, bad implementation. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
VikingKong iBUN T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 318	Posted - 2014.12.19 10:38:00 - [42] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Signed Good mechanic, bad implementation. Well put. But all they have to do is change a couple of numbers, no need to remove them entirely. This thread is ********.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6481	Posted - 2014.12.19 10:40:00 - [43] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Salvage in pubs was nearly nonexistent to begin with? And as far as I know, has not decreased. You have taken the words out of my mouth. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18057	Posted - 2014.12.19 10:54:00 - [44] - Quote Pretty sure community is already sick and tired of content getting removed. Also No. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 269	Posted - 2014.12.19 11:21:00 - [45] - Quote 1. How do you pay for salvage?
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 484	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:08:00 - [46] - Quote Not Signing... Simply because your petition asks for the total removal of the system, rather than working with what we got. Do I think it's perfect? Absolutely NOT. Do I like the concept? Absolutely. In the few matches I have played I have not noticed a decrease in normal salvage...(but hey, I could be wrong?) The mechanics and logic is good, but the box drop rate needs to be cut drastically. --> 1 key per 10 boxes. It should not cost you a fortune to open every box you get, and right now the drop rate is silly. That is my only grievance with the system.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 653	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:42:00 - [47] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: This. I love how they finally gave us the option to sell unwanted salvage, and then basically took salvage away a few weeks later >.< /Signed. Didn't think about it like that until you mentioned it. Which makes it even more hilarious, when you think about it like this: - They make you buy an Agent to get the maximum returns... - They take away salvage and replace it with these salvage boxes... - You can open the salvage boxes, but only if you spend -MORE- money.... - And what you get out of the salvage boxes is AURUM GEAR which is essentially worthless because it costs MORE MONEY to restock. So, basically, the scheme here is that: We pay for these keys to open these mystery boxes, get a random assortment of things that we can sell BUT AT A REDUCED RATE Yes, and it still promotes protostomping via those who play PC for isk then come down and farm pubs like scrubs. We casuals still can't make the money enough to stay in proto everything. Boycott Black Thursday!
THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE Xer Cloud Consortium 75	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:44:00 - [48] - Quote 10/10 for CPM publicity stunt. K den. We immortals are but shadows and K den mercs. Shadows and K den!.
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1710	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:46:00 - [49] - Quote /signed because I like signing things. Texted my wife. She said she wants two holo strippers for her room. She also wants a holo penguin butler. -Ripley
BRUTAL TRON Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 1	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:51:00 - [50] - Quote /Signed. Logi mk.0 Assault mk.0 Scout mk.0 & gk.0

THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE Xer Cloud Consortium 75	Posted - 2014.12.19 12:55:00 - [51] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: No one is forcing you to open the strongboxes. Be an adult and ignore them. Or continue to act like a child and make these pointless threads. This, so much this. K den. We immortals are but shadows and K den mercs. Shadows and K den!.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5491	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:07:00 - [52] - Quote No, I have a better idea. Make strong boxes deploy-able in the field for cover. Strongbox forts! Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Corbina Ninja Expert Intervention 1113	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:16:00 - [53] - Quote boxes must be four types -Amarr -Caldari -Gallente -Minmatar you should be able to buy their keys in the LP market the hacked keys purchased for AUR should open all types you can farm a key type and open 1/4 boxes or two types of keys and open half of boxes and farm twice if you want to get the remaining key types you will need to buy a booster or lose faction standing farm or pay I think this is better than the current model of the mystery box for money «Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
m621 zma 231	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:39:00 - [54] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Pretty sure community is already sick and tired of content getting removed. Also No. LOL community.
m621 zma 231	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:40:00 - [55] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: This. I love how they finally gave us the option to sell unwanted salvage, and then basically took salvage away a few weeks later >.< /Signed. +1 /Signed
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1285	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:45:00 - [56] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Pretty sure community is already sick and tired of content getting removed. Also No. Agreed. We don't yank weapons when they're out-of-balance; we balance them. Why yank this new content if we can finetune it to make for a more rewarding experience? * Adjust strongbox:key pickup ratio from 50:1 to 20:1 (or better) * Add Key Cache to strongbox loot (Fox Gaden) * Add Passive/Active Boosters to strongbox loot (Delt) * Add ultra-rare strongbox exclusives (i.e. BPO Light Wpns tagged as Sidearms, BPO vehicles, etc) * Add rarity ratings and tweak strongbox aura (blue, purple, gold) * Add an Isk value to strongboxes and permit their sale via market
Jathniel G I A N T 1334	Posted - 2014.12.19 16:35:00 - [57] - Quote /signed Maybe throw a clause for the removal of the auto-dampener as well? Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5075	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:02:00 - [58] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: No, I have a better idea. Make strong boxes deploy-able in the field for cover. Strongbox forts! This would be hilarious. Some people have enough to make a strongbox palace. if you could jump on the strongboxes, you could build staircases up to high spots you couldn't reach without a dropship before. It's like Minecraft for DUST. :D CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
AndyAndio 0uter.Heaven 115	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:15:00 - [59] - Quote I agree, or they just can give us the option to sell the strongboxes for ISK, i played for the last 3 days, and i have already 300+ 2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.- Retired for Love of the Game
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1547	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:18:00 - [60] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: No, I have a better idea. Make strong boxes deploy-able in the field for cover. Strongbox forts! This would be hilarious. Some people have enough to make a strongbox palace. if you could jump on the strongboxes, you could build staircases up to high spots you couldn't reach without a dropship before. It's like Minecraft for DUST. :D Why is the only time I see a good CPM idea, the same time they are trolling .... Then tomorrow I'll read an actual proposal and think... this guy must be trolling As for removal of boxes or fixes to droprates.... You guys Suck. CCP bother to add something, you flood the forums with complaints... CCP give away a stupid amount of boxes, you complain some more... CCP want your money to build their game... more complaints I understand why people are bugged, but really?? get some restraint and ignore the boxes... These over-flowing tear buckets could be filled with much more productive QQ.

Stevez Wingyip DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:23:00 - [61] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Adding one last spreadsheet to list tonight because clearly CCP (who developed this change) and the CPM (who absent mindedly approved it) have no idea what the community wants anymore. (Hint: We want our salvage without having to [kitten] pay for it). Why should -WE- have to pay for the salvage that -WE- earned? Add your name below with a '/signed' and I'll add it to the spreadsheet. CCP: We want our salvage back! Don't remove. Just edit them and the AUR price so they are worth buying. Make it only drop loot I can use. Make them drop officer tokens I can trade for the weapon I want. And make the boxes rare. O should not be getting 70 in one day. Minmatar pilot and Merc and love my boyfriend @luppasc2! µêætê¦sê¬S¦Üsºå
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1395	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:41:00 - [62] - Quote Corbina Ninja wrote: boxes must be four types -Amarr -Caldari -Gallente -Minmatar you should be able to buy their keys in the LP market the hacked keys purchased for AUR should open all types you can farm a key type and open 1/4 boxes or two types of keys and open half of boxes and farm twice if you want to get the remaining key types you will need to buy a booster or lose faction standing farm or pay I think this is better than the current model of the mystery box for money This. Kind of.... Just make the keys racially themed and keep the boxes how they are. Buying an Amarr LP key would automatically drop Amarr type items when the box is opened. AUR keys can be selected race as well. Keys from missions remain the same and are totally random. If I could get all Amarr items which is what i run, I would buy a pile of keys. Just because even basic stuff I would know that I can use it.
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 65	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:48:00 - [63] - Quote Signed. Remove them. Dust 5/14
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5496	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:10:00 - [64] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: This. I love how they finally gave us the option to sell unwanted salvage, and then basically took salvage away a few weeks later >.< /Signed. Didn't think about it like that until you mentioned it. Which makes it even more hilarious, when you think about it like this: - They make you buy an Agent to get the maximum returns... - They take away salvage and replace it with these salvage boxes... - You can open the salvage boxes, but only if you spend -MORE- money.... - And what you get out of the salvage boxes is AURUM GEAR which is essentially worthless because it costs MORE MONEY to restock. So, basically, the scheme here is that: We pay for these keys to open these mystery boxes, get a random assortment of things that we can sell BUT AT A REDUCED RATE I hadn't either because I never sell anything after initially cleaning out my inventory after purchasing the agent. Seems like they need to sit down and have a meeting on real life monetization and how they relate to ingame income generation. 1) Obviously the salvage system 2) The effect of 8 billion different types of BPOs on the current ISK payouts Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7\|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1067	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:13:00 - [65] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: I don't really see a difference in my salvage other than I now get boxes in lieu of nothing(still get nothing sometimes, but a lot less often). The rate of getting normal salvage items seems to be the same for me, I just now get tons of useless boxes as well. ^This. The strongboxes are additional salvage, and the previous salvage system still runs alongside unchanged. But I want rid! /signed Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries 718	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:14:00 - [66] - Quote oh no. i cant salvage 1x EXO-5 mass driver anymore... or 3x KR-17 breach shotguns, oh this game gives me AIDS LogicGäó
rithu T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 284	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:15:00 - [67] - Quote /signed cause CCP is making this game a p2w now.
Major IMPACT Titans of Phoenix 44	Posted - 2014.12.19 19:38:00 - [68] - Quote /signed "Even if a pawn becomes a queen, it is still just a playing piece" -MGS2
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2877	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:44:00 - [69] - Quote STYLIE77 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Adding one last spreadsheet to list tonight because clearly CCP (who developed this change) and the CPM (who absent mindedly approved it) have no idea what the community wants anymore. (Hint: We want our salvage without having to [kitten] pay for it). Why should -WE- have to pay for the salvage that -WE- earned? Add your name below with a '/signed' and I'll add it to the spreadsheet. CCP: We want our salvage back! I got 3 thales as regular salvage yesterday, along with a 9k forge gun, and some grenades. My missions yesterday gave me 500k isk and 34k SP. My missions today will net me 2 keys, 520k isk and 42k SP. Not to mention dozens of adv/pro suits, mods and weapons. The drop rate on the crates are annoying... but I do have a chance at keys thru missions. Those with bad luck may go days or even weeks with out missions for keys. I went weeks on end with out officer salvage in pubs in the past... same difference. Free to play, you don't have to buy anything to play this. You can now even grind for a BPO suit. I call entitled b.s. on this whole thread. I am literally looking at your avatar and flipping you the bird. I see where you are coming from but honestly STYLIE77, this is more about the implementation of strong boxes. Not the mission system (which by the way I agree is a fairly nice addition to the game). You may call this thread an entitlement whine but really who are the fools here? CCP could have changed a few things and actually made strongboxes something people want to spend isk on. As it is right now, please show me anyone that thinks spending aurum on these keys is a good idea. (If you say yourself I will scream) You would think CCP would want to make more of an incentive for people to buy them, not less. Being able to grind for a BPO suit is awesome I agree. Certainly did not expect that from CCP and I gave them props for that from day one. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1119	Posted - 2014.12.19 23:44:00 - [70] - Quote Meh I still get salvage Don't care about 200+ boxes sitting around. As soon as I can get rid of them I will, til then, don't care. What's galling is that this is the sort of horse **** that lets the CPM down so often. Christ I hardly ever see them. It's like the ultimate forum warrior jobsworth You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz

RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 710	Posted - 2014.12.22 01:16:00 - [71] - Quote Just give me a way to open the box that doesn't cost me my real money. I already spent my life saving on Apex suits, I have nothing left to give you CCP... unless you would take my soul as well? The Logi Code. Creator, Believer, Follower Trust CROSS
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 465	Posted - 2014.12.22 01:18:00 - [72] - Quote /signed
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 581	Posted - 2014.12.22 01:23:00 - [73] - Quote /signed Missions are awesome.... boxes are not. "Anybody order chaos?"
Kittensgotclaws Dying to Reload 11	Posted - 2014.12.22 01:27:00 - [74] - Quote Closing in on 900 boxes... Signed
Kittensgotclaws Dying to Reload 11	Posted - 2014.12.22 01:30:00 - [75] - Quote Once the bill is ready for congress add in a small addendum to remove bandwidth ( more crap the server can't calculate, poor hamsters are almost dead )
Loyal Glasses Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 12	Posted - 2014.12.22 01:31:00 - [76] - Quote Here is an idea: Strong boxes can only be found as salvage for every daily mission completed at the end of a match so at max 15 a day, not only that if a player gets killed a certain number of times he/she loses a strong box and said killer gets the box. Now this way MERCS are not flooded by BOXES and become something of a trophy like the Frozen Corpses in EVE. But first we need to have at least half of our boxes removed from the game. "Glasses of the Loyal Variety"
Zylinfantry DUST University Ivy League 10	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:07:00 - [77] - Quote Guys, guys, I think Strongboxes are awesome! It's gonna be like ship spinning. "Dude, I have 87629 Strongboxes, lol how many do you have? " " I got 127432 lmao. " " woah dude. So jelly" LMFAO JK I'm so signing this petition.. /SIGNED
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 66	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:21:00 - [78] - Quote hey guys i can get a decryptor key if i finish all 10 missions and boost my SP twice! I'm signing this again. Remove them. Dust 5/14
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 113	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:21:00 - [79] - Quote Signed with all my three characters Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 648	Posted - 2014.12.22 02:22:00 - [80] - Quote HELL YEAH War never changes

knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1154	Posted - 2014.12.22 03:06:00 - [81] - Quote why not just: 1. reduce the drop rate signifigantly 2. allow some other way to open them (e.g. 500k-1mill isk per crate or do X amount of mission to allow 1 unlock) 3. have more ways of getting keys besides spending real money 4. create a 10% chance to get a key from battle salvage that way we dont have to get rid of them we wont have to be spammed by them and not many of us will QQ about it in the forums SP earned perday/week
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1143	Posted - 2014.12.22 03:13:00 - [82] - Quote CCP Dust should go down in the history book as having the worst money grabbing scheme to date...
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 313	Posted - 2014.12.22 03:13:00 - [83] - Quote Death to the cubes of soulless loot theft! They came out of nowhere and invaded dust! If random cubes appeared Instead of stuff in your house would you not question it? "If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
Michael Arck 6086	Posted - 2014.12.22 03:16:00 - [84] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I'd be fine with Strongboxes if the bloody thrice-damned things did NOT have that stupid bright orange attention marker... Now I have two markers I can't turn off, my Strongboxes and my Boosters, if I get another I'm going to burn something down... I despise clutter... LOL! Man, it was driving me nuts the other day that I couldn't get rid of that marker! I like a clean neocom. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 313	Posted - 2014.12.22 03:18:00 - [85] - Quote How they should have done it: Bronze strongbox: 50% drop chance Contains some basic/militia gear upto 20 units Silver strongbox: 25% drop chance Contains adv/basic gear upto 10 units Gold strongbox: 10% drop chance Contains proto gear upto 5 units. Diamond strongbox: 2% drop chance Contains officer gear upto 3 units. The strong boxes are free to open and drop randomly in salvage, however you can also buy them for aurum in "strongbox packs" For example: 5 bronze for 250 aurum, 5 silver for 500 aurum, 5 gold for 750 aurum "If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7564	Posted - 2014.12.22 06:01:00 - [86] - Quote Fair warning, I'm not keeping up with this (the spreadsheet) because of a recent talk I had with a former CPM convincing me to look at things in a different light. Aeon Amadi's Important Links
GRIM GEAR PredaKonZ 422	Posted - 2014.12.22 06:02:00 - [87] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Fair warning, I'm not keeping up with this (the spreadsheet) because of a recent talk I had with a former CPM convincing me to look at things in a different light. Aye no taco time Cup of tea anyone? I came here to mingle can you hear that jingle that would be me lingle.
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 66	Posted - 2014.12.22 06:46:00 - [88] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: why not just: 1. reduce the drop rate signifigantly 2. allow some other way to open them (e.g. 500k-1mill isk per crate or do X amount of mission to allow 1 unlock) 3. have more ways of getting keys besides spending real money 4. create a 10% chance to get a key from battle salvage that way we dont have to get rid of them we wont have to be spammed by them and not many of us will QQ about it in the forums or or OR we could get rid of them and not have to deal with CCP tweaking them for the next 3 months. Dust 5/14


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