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TIMMY DAVIS Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 58	Posted - 2014.12.16 03:14:00 - [1] - Quote I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? Know how does one do this? Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear. - Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. or proto gear and proto squad. -- I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are. And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards. You also pushing people toward proto gear. Thanks for reading this.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 1915	Posted - 2014.12.16 03:19:00 - [2] - Quote Psst... they want you to buy boosters yo. Boost that SP and their wallet ftw. Can I haz ur isk?
thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 68	Posted - 2014.12.16 03:21:00 - [3] - Quote Nerf
Union118 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 54	Posted - 2014.12.16 03:23:00 - [4] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? Know how does one do this? Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear. - Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. or proto gear and proto squad. -- I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are. And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards. You also pushing people toward proto gear. Thanks for reading this. The fact that more n more people leave a match when you see proto stompers. I encourage this to the fullest because if the stompers have no one to stomp against then im sure something will happen to make them stop stomping ALL the time. Id rather leave a battle to fight militia in starter suits then face stompers. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Stevez Wingyip DUST University Ivy League 58	Posted - 2014.12.16 03:25:00 - [5] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? Know how does one do this? Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear. - Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. or proto gear and proto squad. -- I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are. And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards. You also pushing people toward proto gear. Thanks for reading this. Am I the only one that can get 10k sp unboosted in standard militia gear with an advanced combat rifle? Minmatar pilot and Merc and love my boyfriend @luppasc2! µêætê¦sê¬S¦Üsºå
shadow336k DUST University Ivy League 20	Posted - 2014.12.16 03:40:00 - [6] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? Know how does one do this? Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear. - Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. or proto gear and proto squad. -- I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are. And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards. You also pushing people toward proto gear. Thanks for reading this. Am I the only one that can get 10k sp unboosted in standard militia gear with an advanced combat rifle? no
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 619	Posted - 2014.12.16 03:43:00 - [7] - Quote For the love of god. Can we please get rid of the term "proto stomping". It's a term made up by people who lack the skill and gun game to counter them and refuse to take on a challenge. Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 619	Posted - 2014.12.16 03:44:00 - [8] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? Know how does one do this? Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear. - Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. or proto gear and proto squad. -- I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are. And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards. You also pushing people toward proto gear. Thanks for reading this. Am I the only one that can get 10k sp unboosted in standard militia gear with an advanced combat rifle? no, also it's standard or militia. There is no standard militia gear Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 105	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:25:00 - [9] - Quote As a good Logi, in an advanced suit, in a squad with 2 other advanced gear or less players, this is not at all hard in a Domination match. I may only get 1 kill , but if no one else has put out uplinks (happens now ) and my "front men" are not reckless while I am repping them, I can get over 10k SP half the time. Better players (also not wearing proto gear) could probably do it solo or as an ADS pilot or any number of other ways without using proto gear. Why only half the time? Because the other half the time, there are more squadded up players using better strategy on the other team, and MY team loses painfully. My squad will still do RELATIVELY good, but the coordination by more players on the other side wins the day. Coordination > Game Experience > Gear That's why I think all the talk of trying to "fix" proto-stomping by sorting players into battle according to gear is going about the "problem" bass-ackwards. You will still have experienced players coordinating their efforts in MILITIA gear totally owning a random collection of nooberries. If you want more of the matches to be competitive, CCP should do things to encourage new players to join a corp and learn from experienced players, introduce a "Platoon" game mode, and/or add training in squadding to an extended academy experience. Warning, controversial statement : Solo play in Dust should be for the extremes...foolish nooberries and elite-skilled pros. FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
Edau Skir2 duna corp 115	Posted - 2014.12.16 15:36:00 - [10] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? Know how does one do this? Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear. - Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. or proto gear and proto squad. -- I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are. And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards. You also pushing people toward proto gear. Thanks for reading this. 69,999sp in a day? Pansy level. My one today is 104,999 in a day, for two keys...

CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1670	Posted - 2014.12.16 16:13:00 - [11] - Quote stomp or get stomped bro DUST VIDEOS
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 883	Posted - 2014.12.16 17:09:00 - [12] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: For the love of god. Can we please get rid of the term "proto stomping". It's a term made up by people who lack the skill and gun game to counter them and refuse to take on a challenge. - __ - guess you're just that good... Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2655	Posted - 2014.12.16 17:12:00 - [13] - Quote I never shy away from a good fight and I like to see proto suits on the other team. It means they are trying, and I wish we had more not less of that.
Copharus Arkana Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2014.12.16 17:21:00 - [14] - Quote Why do idiots always complain and never use their own proto gear?
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 622	Posted - 2014.12.16 17:32:00 - [15] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: For the love of god. Can we please get rid of the term "proto stomping". It's a term made up by people who lack the skill and gun game to counter them and refuse to take on a challenge. - __ - guess you're just that good... Where did I say that? I'm not complaining about it. It's not the gear, it's a organized squad that determines the outcome of a match. If you have a good squad running advanced gear you're most likely to destroy the other team if they run proto and solo. Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
DDx77 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 54	Posted - 2014.12.16 17:45:00 - [16] - Quote Yes they want you to spend money on boosters. I run adv and scrubby militia and I've been able to hit almost every mission that isn't a "use booster" type. So I disagree that you have to proto-whatever to get these numbers.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6383	Posted - 2014.12.16 17:50:00 - [17] - Quote I dont even CHECK the daily rewards. I just play as always and before i log out i chek how many i completed. Usually between 7-10 of them. Good stuff. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 290	Posted - 2014.12.16 18:00:00 - [18] - Quote When you finally get to proto gear, I don't want to see you or anyone else who is crying about it, use it ever. Other wise your a hypocrite :D G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1055	Posted - 2014.12.16 18:08:00 - [19] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? Know how does one do this? Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear. - Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. or proto gear and proto squad. -- I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are. And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards. You also pushing people toward proto gear. Thanks for reading this. WRONG. I get 8-10K almost every game, with less than 3K WP. Solo or in squad and not even running proto. If I go above 3K I end up with around 12K SP. When I was a logi (first time for a long time) the other day I got 5247 WP / 10 kills / 5 deaths / 19,238 SP! No boosters. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 888	Posted - 2014.12.16 20:15:00 - [20] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? .................. You also pushing people toward proto gear. WRONG. I get 8-10K almost every game, with less than 3K WP. Solo or in squad and not even running proto. If I go above 3K I end up with around 12K SP. When I was a logi (first time for a long time) the other day I got 5247 WP / 10 kills / 5 deaths / 19,238 SP! No boosters. that's gr8 m8 Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'

4lbert Wesker WESKER S.T.A.R.S 24	Posted - 2014.12.16 20:36:00 - [21] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: For the love of god. Can we please get rid of the term "proto stomping". It's a term made up by people who lack the skill and gun game to counter them and refuse to take on a challenge. Yep,i call those people "proto retards" :) I punched camel once,and it meows at me
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2955	Posted - 2014.12.16 20:43:00 - [22] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? Know how does one do this? Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear. Not quite. Let's say the match goes for 13 minutes. That's 3,900 SP from being in the game. Getting the other 6,000 involves getting 3k WP. Logistics are capable of doing this without using Prototype gear though Prototype equipment does help. If the game is a longer one, lasting 16 minutes, the WP amount needed drops to 2,600. Again, that number doesn't require Prototype equipment. The biggest thing that can be said about that number is that it is more toward pushing people to use Boosters. TIMMY DAVIS wrote: Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. If each match takes 20 minutes, you are getting 6,000 SP just being in the match. Pull 1,000 WP, a number I think works as 'competent player trying hard', and you are getting 8k a match. 70,000 / 8 = 9 matches, 9 x 20 = 3 hours of play. Of course, matches do not last nearly that long. Most are closer to 15 minutes or less. TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are. And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards. You also pushing people toward proto gear. Thanks for reading this. The game itself naturally pushes people towards Prototype gear. I relatively recently started using Prototype gear despite being at 40 million SP. "I want to be money efficient!" until I realized that, even with my modest amount of money that I got through just using Basic Gear, I can run Prototype for as long as my interest stays with the game. If you play 10 matches a day, earn 100,000 in profit, that is a million isk a day. If you do that for several months you get to the point of asking yourself the same thing I did; "Why the hell am I saving money if all I can use it on is Prototype gear?" Some of the daily missions push people into trying new things. Kill Assists in vehicles certainly pushes people towards trying out that gunning thing while Hacking objectives will push people into playing the objective. Hell, that one taught me that it is more than possible to sneak the point without dying even if it seems hopeless so I am now more likely to give it a try without grumbling "why isn't anyone taking the point?!" But I don't think the daily missions are naturally pushing people into using Prototype gear simply because people never needed an excuse to use it before. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
TIMMY DAVIS Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 60	Posted - 2014.12.16 21:34:00 - [23] - Quote Okay, so far we've had approx 15 comments on how lame I am and how great they are and/or how they dislike "people who complain about proto users." I guess it makes you feel good to anonymously make fun of people on forums, whatever, as long as there is no name calling or threats (of course using proto retards is name calling and the first time you use that word in an email at a fortune 500 type company you would be warned, the second time fired). You could just not comment at all or actually offer something useful. anyhow One suggestion that I just go with the flow and use proto gear myself, but make a profit at it or else it doesn't make sense. I complain, but I think this was an honest attempt at helping me. I could be wrong, but I will assume it was meant to be so, so thanks. And 2 anonymous likes. So essentially, no help from the forums. In general I like the idea of the daily rewards. Just not the implementation. Thanks for reading this.
voidfaction Nos Nothi 743	Posted - 2014.12.16 23:33:00 - [24] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: For the love of god. Can we please get rid of the term "proto stomping". It's a term made up by people who lack the skill and gun game to counter them and refuse to take on a challenge. - __ - guess you're just that good... Where did I say that? I'm not complaining about it. It's not the gear, it's a organized squad that determines the outcome of a match. If you have a good squad running advanced gear you're most likely to destroy the other team if they run proto and solo. So if you have 2 equally skilled teams one all in STD the other in Proto who is going to win? Dumb ass people defending proto stomping with "organized squad will win", lol Try looking at it if you was fighting yourself who would win STD vs Proto. Let me guess you would beat your proto self in a std suit because your more organized in STD
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1417	Posted - 2014.12.16 23:59:00 - [25] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: Okay, so far we've had approx 15 comments on how lame I am and how great they are and/or how they dislike "people who complain about proto users." I guess it makes you feel good to anonymously make fun of people on forums, whatever, as long as there is no name calling or threats (of course using proto retards is name calling and the first time you use that word in an email at a fortune 500 type company you would be warned, the second time fired). You could just not comment at all or actually offer something useful. anyhow One suggestion that I just go with the flow and use proto gear myself, but make a profit at it or else it doesn't make sense. I complain, but I think this was an honest attempt at helping me. I could be wrong, but I will assume it was meant to be so, so thanks. And 2 anonymous likes. So essentially, no help from the forums. In general I like the idea of the daily rewards. Just not the implementation. Thanks for reading this. you need to grow a thicker skin your taking your own opinion and others too personally.. you posted a contreversial topic with over expectations of sympathy, it's like posting on a COD or BF forum saying you think all the vets should remove their weapon attachments, upgrades, and all use starting weapons- what kind of response would you expect from those communities? AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Bremen van Equis BASTARDS OF BEDLAM 54	Posted - 2014.12.17 00:32:00 - [26] - Quote voidfaction wrote: So if you have 2 equally skilled teams one all in STD the other in Proto who is going to win? Dumb ass people defending proto stomping with "organized squad will win", lol Try looking at it if you was fighting yourself who would win STD vs Proto. Let me guess you would beat your proto self in a std suit because your more organized in STD Well void, your squad was pretty organized spawn-camping all day todayGÇªwell, maybe just in that one match ;) I just couldn't turn fast enough to OHK youGÇªtried every fit with a PLC I had! Look! Up in the sky!! It's a bird...it's a plane...it's...
voidfaction Nos Nothi 744	Posted - 2014.12.17 00:45:00 - [27] - Quote Bremen van Equis wrote: voidfaction wrote: So if you have 2 equally skilled teams one all in STD the other in Proto who is going to win? Dumb ass people defending proto stomping with "organized squad will win", lol Try looking at it if you was fighting yourself who would win STD vs Proto. Let me guess you would beat your proto self in a std suit because your more organized in STD Well void, your squad was pretty organized spawn-camping all day todayGÇªwell, maybe just in that one match ;) I just couldn't turn fast enough to OHK youGÇªtried every fit with a PLC I had! My squad? You might want to ask around because I don't run in squads. Since open beta i can count on 1 hand the number of times I have run in a squad and I am probably the most unorganized vet you will find. If i was organized it was by accident, lol
TritusX PH4NT0M5 61	Posted - 2014.12.17 00:55:00 - [28] - Quote lol im just too lazy to get in a squad and always spam lfs in the channels, join a match, miss all of them, and give up. Usually happens every week but I get on again for the motive of getting better. If you want to stop blaming protostompers, just get a logi suit with reps, uplinks, and nanohives and let the WP flow in If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
Bremen van Equis BASTARDS OF BEDLAM 54	Posted - 2014.12.17 00:56:00 - [29] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Bremen van Equis wrote: voidfaction wrote: So if you have 2 equally skilled teams one all in STD the other in Proto who is going to win? Dumb ass people defending proto stomping with "organized squad will win", lol Try looking at it if you was fighting yourself who would win STD vs Proto. Let me guess you would beat your proto self in a std suit because your more organized in STD Well void, your squad was pretty organized spawn-camping all day todayGÇªwell, maybe just in that one match ;) I just couldn't turn fast enough to OHK youGÇªtried every fit with a PLC I had! My squad? You might want to ask around because I don't run in squads. Since open beta i can count on 1 hand the number of times I have run in a squad and I am probably the most unorganized vet you will find. If i was organized it was by accident, lol My mistake! Look! Up in the sky!! It's a bird...it's a plane...it's...
neausea 1987 1.U.P Capital Punishment. 191	Posted - 2014.12.17 01:03:00 - [30] - Quote lol those rewards are for kids 10-15 as long as it does'nt involve buy AUR to complete i get 8/10 done in in 2 games or less no proto needed it's not that difficult unless you suck. also strongboxes are garbage and i want to turn them off its rather annoyin to see that i have around 500 and i dont give an ish. also i bought 40 key to see whats up ol nonthing of importance. this is all I have a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ.... GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ .... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ ......... Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ i need more QQ tears MORE!!

TIMMY DAVIS Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 60	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:26:00 - [31] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: you need to grow a thicker skin your taking your own opinion and others too personally.. you posted a contreversial topic with over expectations of sympathy, it's like posting on a COD or BF forum saying you think all the vets should remove their weapon attachments, upgrades, and all use starting weapons- what kind of response would you expect from those communities? as for a thicker skin - thanks for the advice. i don't think it's controversial, it's just the loudest voices are on the pro stomping side. When a squad of proto users spawns into an Ambush and the other team, all 16, are killed in the first encounter, why doesn't that squad get bored and leave the game so they can find a better opponent? Nobody ever says this. But it's okay for people on the losing side to get advised to quit the match and find a new one. The winners can stomp all they want, but the losers have to leave and find a better match. And / or "Find a Squad!" regardless of whether I'm in a squad or not. Neither of these is a "good answer" to the problem, but they have become acceptable on this forum. The people on this forum assume certain things and make snap judgments. Some just to get a laugh, others because they fell good, getting that next kill around a spawning area and they don't want that feeling taken away. Is that everyone, no. Is that most people, no probably not. Is it some of the people, yes. The game works best when there is some parity in the game play. I've been on both sides of the stomping. I prefer a match that makes me work for the points. Stomping or getting stomped is not fun.
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 101	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:36:00 - [32] - Quote Just drop a remote and walk away. Even if lag leads to my remote not working most of the time, after I kill them twice they dont use their protosuits for the rest of the match unless its a BPO Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Texas Killionaire Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 357	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:42:00 - [33] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? Know how does one do this? Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear. - Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. or proto gear and proto squad. -- I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are. And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards. You also pushing people toward proto gear. Thanks for reading this. You're welcome. If you're not ready to lose, you're not ready to win. Jello Biafra = God FOR THE STATE
Texas Killionaire Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 357	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:44:00 - [34] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: For the love of god. Can we please get rid of the term "proto stomping". It's a term made up by people who lack the skill and gun game to counter them and refuse to take on a challenge. Proto stomping Proto stomping Proto stomping Proto stomping lol. Git Gud. If you're not ready to lose, you're not ready to win. Jello Biafra = God FOR THE STATE
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 571	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:52:00 - [35] - Quote Never mind the photon gear.
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 626	Posted - 2014.12.17 12:47:00 - [36] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: you need to grow a thicker skin your taking your own opinion and others too personally.. you posted a contreversial topic with over expectations of sympathy, it's like posting on a COD or BF forum saying you think all the vets should remove their weapon attachments, upgrades, and all use starting weapons- what kind of response would you expect from those communities? as for a thicker skin - thanks for the advice. i don't think it's controversial, it's just the loudest voices are on the pro stomping side. When a squad of proto users spawns into an Ambush and the other team, all 16, are killed in the first encounter, why doesn't that squad get bored and leave the game so they can find a better opponent? Nobody ever says this. But it's okay for people on the losing side to get advised to quit the match and find a new one. The winners can stomp all they want, but the losers have to leave and find a better match. And / or "Find a Squad!" regardless of whether I'm in a squad or not. Neither of these is a "good answer" to the problem, but they have become acceptable on this forum. The people on this forum assume certain things and make snap judgments. Some just to get a laugh, others because they fell good, getting that next kill around a spawning area and they don't want that feeling taken away. Is that everyone, no. Is that most people, no probably not. Is it some of the people, yes. The game works best when there is some parity in the game play. I've been on both sides of the stomping. I prefer a match that makes me work for the points. Stomping or getting stomped is not fun. Why is it a problem if people use proto gear? I use advanced gear all the time, but when I see proto gear on the other team I'll bring mine out. If you can skill into it, use it. Back when I started this game the "stomping" was even worse (I'm around 50 mil sp). Now like I've said before, face a organized squad in ADV gear and you're with randoms you're likely to lose that match too. Gear doesn't mean too much in this game Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 459	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:01:00 - [37] - Quote I can stomp in proto as much as standard as long as I have good squadmates (in standard too). Proto only look cool Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 645	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:07:00 - [38] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: For the love of god. Can we please get rid of the term "proto stomping". It's a term made up by people who lack the skill and gun game to counter them and refuse to take on a challenge. That is the most moronic, juvinile thing anyone could ever say. Wise up CoD console kiddies, wise the f*ck up. Bad game design that encourages stalemates and one sided game play is the problem. Lack of planning on CCP's part is what created this game and why it is going away. Boycott Black Thursday!
King Bolly Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 18	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:04:00 - [39] - Quote Union118 wrote: TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? Know how does one do this? Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear. - Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. or proto gear and proto squad. -- I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are. And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards. You also pushing people toward proto gear. Thanks for reading this. The fact that more n more people leave a match when you see proto stompers. I encourage this to the fullest because if the stompers have no one to stomp against then im sure something will happen to make them stop stomping ALL the time. Id rather leave a battle to fight militia in starter suits then face stompers. they just end up chasing me around lol.
Edau Skir2 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:15:00 - [40] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: TIMMY DAVIS wrote: Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. If each match takes 20 minutes, you are getting 6,000 SP just being in the match. Pull 1,000 WP, a number I think works as 'competent player trying hard', and you are getting 8k a match. 70,000 / 8 = 9 matches, 9 x 20 = 3 hours of play. Of course, matches do not last nearly that long. Most are closer to 15 minutes or less. 6000 for just being in the match? Where the hell did you pull that made up figure from?! If I get 1000wp I end up with 4-5.5k sp at the end. I've no idea where your logic was born in those calculations

King Bolly Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 18	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:22:00 - [41] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: TIMMY DAVIS wrote: I know CCP is trying to make money. I'm not opposed to this. Some of your daily rewards are directly promoting proto stomping though. If someone is to get 9,999 SP in one match they have to kill 25+ people, hack every installation at least once, heal half their team a time or two, etc., etc., etc. maybe kill 3-4-5 HAV's, solo. with a couple of people in each tank? Know how does one do this? Get lucky and get thrown in with a bunch of rookies with only militia or standard gear and no skills or go full on proto with a squad of equally fitted out proto gear. - Or getting 69,999 SP in a day, if you get 5,000 SP a match, that's 14 matches. each of these matches will take approx 20 minutes, so 280 minutes of game time, which does not include inbetween time. 7,000 SP that's 10 matches - 200 minutes of gametime. or proto gear and proto squad. -- I understand pushing people to do better and such and people don't have to try and achieve any of these daily rewards, but they are. And you can acheive or it's easier to achieve some of these things in skirmishes where you can't in ambushes. You can push people toward skirmishes with high hack rewards, and you can push people toward ambushes with high kill or kill assist rewards. You also pushing people toward proto gear. Thanks for reading this. Am I the only one that can get 10k sp unboosted in standard militia gear with an advanced combat rifle? yes
Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 114	Posted - 2014.12.17 14:35:00 - [42] - Quote See this idea for a new feature which may help the perception of shall I say..."unfairness" to new players without limiting gear. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=184780&find=unread FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2970	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:14:00 - [43] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: Okay, so far we've had approx 15 comments on how lame I am and how great they are and/or how they dislike "people who complain about proto users." I guess it makes you feel good to anonymously make fun of people on forums, whatever, as long as there is no name calling or threats (of course using proto retards is name calling and the first time you use that word in an email at a fortune 500 type company you would be warned, the second time fired). You could just not comment at all or actually offer something useful. anyhow One suggestion that I just go with the flow and use proto gear myself, but make a profit at it or else it doesn't make sense. I complain, but I think this was an honest attempt at helping me. I could be wrong, but I will assume it was meant to be so, so thanks. And 2 anonymous likes. So essentially, no help from the forums. In general I like the idea of the daily rewards. Just not the implementation. Thanks for reading this. I meant no insult, merely that I disagree with your premise that "daily missions are pushing people towards prototype gear." I just included my reasoning for why I used prototype gear after so long not using it because I eventually came to the reasoning that having tens of millions of isk in this game is pointless. The game itself includes enough reasons to push people towards prototype gear, namely that it has better statistics than the lower tiered gear, so I don't see how daily missions that were "gain X SP in a match" or "X SP in a day" would be the catalyst by which people start using prototype gear. After all, people that used prototype gear before didn't need the daily missions to do so. TIMMY DAVIS wrote: When a squad of proto users spawns into an Ambush and the other team, all 16, are killed in the first encounter, why doesn't that squad get bored and leave the game so they can find a better opponent? Nobody ever says this. But it's okay for people on the losing side to get advised to quit the match and find a new one. The reason they do not get bored is because they are winning. People that run in full squads in ambush are there just to win mostly. They are with their friends, often over mics, so they are less likely to get bored. The "find a better game!" line is used to either give advice or as bewilderment. "If you are not having fun in that match, try another perhaps" as the advice and the bewilderment is more "Why the hell did you stay there if it was going to be so terrible?!" Neither are helpful but it is the 'silver bullet' as it is the only thing that everyone can do when in a bad game. I have not liked Ambush since Domination was created. The central area to fight over and the larger maps means the game is less decided in about 45 seconds. The last Ambush game I played was with a few corp members; our entire team spawned within 10 meters of the enemy team, all bunched up, and they had a few guys spamming Mass Drivers. We dropped 20 clones in the first 15 seconds or so. Naturally, it was a squad of 4 people and randoms versus two full squads of people but bad initial spawning and getting spawn trapped for the first 40 clones is what really lost the game. Cheers. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 114	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:23:00 - [44] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The last Ambush game I played was with a few corp members; our entire team spawned within 10 meters of the enemy team, all bunched up, and they had a few guys spamming Mass Drivers. We dropped 20 clones in the first 15 seconds or so. Naturally, it was a squad of 4 people and randoms versus two full squads of people but bad initial spawning and getting spawn trapped for the first 40 clones is what really lost the game. Wouldn't it be fun to be able to play an Ambush style match where you could guarantee one side didn't have more coordination than the other? Yet you could still bring your best gear and gun game? As an option, of course: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=184780&find=unread FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
ishtellian SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 77	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:30:00 - [45] - Quote Dubya Guy wrote: As a good Logi, in an advanced suit, in a squad with 2 other advanced gear or less players, this is not at all hard in a Domination match. I may only get 1 kill , but if no one else has put out uplinks (happens now ) and my "front men" are not reckless while I am repping them, I can get over 10k SP half the time. Better players (also not wearing proto gear) could probably do it solo or as an ADS pilot or any number of other ways without using proto gear. Why only half the time? Because the other half the time, there are more squadded up players using better strategy on the other team, and MY team loses painfully. My squad will still do RELATIVELY good, but the coordination by more players on the other side wins the day. Coordination > Game Experience > Gear That's why I think all the talk of trying to "fix" proto-stomping by sorting players into battle according to gear is going about the "problem" bass-ackwards. You will still have experienced players coordinating their efforts in MILITIA gear totally owning a random collection of nooberries. If you want more of the matches to be competitive, CCP should do things to encourage new players to join a corp and learn from experienced players, introduce a "Platoon" game mode, and/or add training in squadding to an extended academy experience. Warning, controversial statement : Solo play in Dust should be for the extremes...foolish nooberries and elite-skilled pros. I am no longer the first and may never be the second. im a blueberry with no mic so i usually get kicked from squads i join and have to run solo, its a hard life out there My Heavy Never Dies. Logibro In training.
Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 114	Posted - 2014.12.17 16:38:00 - [46] - Quote ishtellian wrote: im a blueberry with no mic so i usually get kicked from squads i join and have to run solo, its a hard life out there I get it. See this thread for a game idea that will offer more enjoyment to the mic-deficient. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=184780&find=unread FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
Meeko Fent True Illuminate 2301	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:20:00 - [47] - Quote wait for people to hide their 800ehp+ proto suits w/protofits behind their own totally leet skills, completely disregarding any thoughts of the artifical stacking against new players OH WAIT! It may not be the only thing that causes crap matches, but it's the one thing that can be changed easily. Currently, DUST Newbies are considered to be lower then a level one in WoW. They are worthless because of the artifical stacking that takes place between standard and proto gear. Proto gear has twice the HP of what newbies can muster, with the extra damage that proto guns add. Proto gear is better in every single way then standard gear. It's artificially stacking the deck against new guys and towards older player. No, it isn't the only thing that is causing this, but it is such a huge modifier to the issue that it takes simply being better and makes it so I am no longer just better at playing, I also am literally better. More HP, More damage, more fitting resources. Proto at this point is only a sources of false depth. It is obviously unbalancing, but it's kept to appese people who want that depth dust promised, but found tiers instead I am the bluedot. And I will rise again.
Kaeru Nayiri OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 330	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:48:00 - [48] - Quote I believe this topic was covered extensively in this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181682&find=unread Everyone should read this to get a proper understanding of the situation.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 250	Posted - 2014.12.17 20:08:00 - [49] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: For the love of god. Can we please get rid of the term "proto stomping". It's a term made up by people who lack the skill and gun game to counter them and refuse to take on a challenge. the cries of a proto stomper Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 879	Posted - 2014.12.17 21:24:00 - [50] - Quote honestly that whole organised squad thing doesnt matter at all.. the game is not about squad play. its about TEAM Play. and when AN ENTIRE TEAM is in full proto. they are essentially UNBEATABLE by anything else. its stupid. being "organised" has nothing to do with this. because "tactics" dont exist now in this damn game. hell they probably never did. normally the counter to proto with lower tiers is to overwhelm them with quantity. but thats nearly impossible to do since the whole team is in full proto. if its redesigned to where it sucks horrible in all but one area. it wouldnt be as bad. or somewhere along those lines. if only we could pilot the mcc. id end the matches real quick.



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